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On July 03 2013 13:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 13:02 s0Lstice wrote:On July 03 2013 12:52 gumshoe wrote:On July 03 2013 12:45 s0Lstice wrote:
Speaking of those claims, I'm pretty interested in operating like they don't exist. That's probably a function of me being terrible with claim stuff.
When he claimed...he thought there were only 4 minutes left right? Could he not have just randomly picked a blue and got lucky that there isn't actually a cop in the game? Fuba has yet to claim, WOS is scum. What more do you want? BTW do you really believe that Wos just happened to be role blocked, and that he claimed last? Why is anyone else more suspicious than him? What major contribution has WOS made outside of being not outright scummy? Why do you still put stock in Oats word? He was wrong about Rayne and hes flip flopped for seemingly no reason on WOS other than that I attacked him. It is within the realm of possibility that he was role-blocked and claimed last. Whether it is likely or not is pretty difficult to discern. Like I just said, I'd really prefer to just ignore the claims, considering how it shook out. I want to lynch the scummiest player. I'm talking to both of you because you are here. If we only talked to people who were right all the time, it'd be a pretty quiet game. Sigh, no one gives my claim credence because I might be scum, but they wont kill me because I might be town : P. Revenge townie 22. Seriously if I was Marv and I came in here with this case yall would doubtlessly be down with it. Well maybe not Marv this game XD. Though I'll agree with you for now, they're are other scum out there. Also how do you feel about Fuba not having claimed? They're are also no spots left to claim but survivor. Will you believe him if thats what he decides?
Fuba claiming survivor is a definite worry. We are in trouble if he is telling the truth and we lynch him. Today definitely needs to be a scum lynch. The best thing to do is have other, quality scum reads at the ready, and to cross that bridge when we come to it. This is what I plan on doing...but I'm reasonably sure that whatever happens, Fuba is not town.
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On July 03 2013 13:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Gumshoe, why are you dismissing everything I said because I was wrong about 1 read? Show nested quote +Ok so WoS is scum, and the scumteam decided to withhold their RB and for WoS to claim last. The reason why this is not really what I wouldve done as scum is because its obvious you are vengeful townie, and its obvious after the blocked KP that there is a vet. So vig is an easy claim. So therefore, the fact that WoS claimed last has nothing to do with his alignment.
Everyone please read this, no it isnt WIFOM. And no WoS isnt scum for claiming last. Which seems to be your main point Gumshoe.
I'm saying you should not be at the forefront of town credence, because you tunneled to oblivion Rayne and he was innocent. I'm condemning your whole game over Rayne because for a long time he was your game, and you played bad.
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Oats were done. Gl to you and your scum hunting. Sigh duck.
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Also, gumshoe I didn't answer about WoS. I'm not certain right now. I'll be reading him along with everybody else.
My general impression when I was catching up is that you have the right thematic elements of his contributions this game. He just seemed...inactive (less so than me to be fair). Nothing really leaped off the page, but I will be looking closer.
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Can you say why WoS is scum that doesnt involve talking about the actions regarding blue claims?
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Good night all. Everyone should look at WOS and ask themselves if they believe in miracles. Then consider how scum will stop the bus on Fuba today. Later.
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Oats, before I go, your read on Marv is what?
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On July 03 2013 11:29 s0Lstice wrote:
something important on Marv while I'm reading
he told me something in Les Mis where we were both town, and hence had no reason to lie to me. he said he doesn't get in serious hot head shitfests as scum because it feels unsportsmanlike. I'm seeing that here...he is staying in thread and throwing down with reckless abandon. he straight up told someone 'fuck you' because he was being pestered from 100 different angles. I'm leaning town because of this.
take this in to consideration. mobbing Marv when he is town is going to be damaging for us, and until we get a scum lynch we are really walking the line.
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i feel that marvs next scum game is gonna be pretty different from his previous ones
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Sorry for getting back so late, but it looks like a lot of you figured out my role already. I'm Hans Landa - German Survivor Jailkeeper. No jail last night, since it really didn't look like I was going to be NK'd, and after that shitstorm with marv/rayn/lazer/etc there were likely better vigi shots. If WoS is telling the truth, then it looks like scum has a roleblocker and saw him as possibly blue. If he's lying, then... he's scum.
To make up for the Vayne lynch a bit (that came way too close for me :S), I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one, since this setup makes massclaims really likely, and it feels like it's gonna be really hard to walk that line between town and scum.
Oh yeah, marv, I thought I responded to your questions in my nested post. You asked what the contradictions were, and I answered it, and you asked what the "possibly scummy but sometimes townie" elements of stutters' filter were, and I answered that too. Lemme know if there's something else I missed. And if you could actually comment on what I wrote, that'd be great, instead of doing what everyone apparently does with my posts and skimming it, saying nothing, and pulling it out when they're strarving for scumreads.
Also, though I didn't have time or necessarily the inclination to comment on it before, I'm pretty reasonably convinced you're town. Rayn's later posts about you were giving me a similar feeling to the post by oats I brought up earlier regarding rayn himself. There was an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on that even I could see, and I agreed with him that in that situation it was scummy for you to be suspicious of lazer. I also think your responses were in line with townie marv. I can't explain away the main reason for the scumread, since I still think the logic is for the most part sound, but with the clusterfuck of claims this thread's become at the moment, it's hard to analyze anything clearly.
It *is* clear, however, that there's something fishy going on with the claims, though I cba to find out what it is at the moment. I haven't slept in almost 48 hours, my brain is slowing to the speed of a snail, and I almost passed out 4 5 times while writing this post. I'll be back tomorrow, gonna need like half a day of sleep... Read what I wrote about stutters, and tell me what's actually wrong with the reasoning (not just marv, but anyone who actually disagrees with it).
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KNEW IT
How does your role work fuba?
And what do you think of Gumshoe and solstice?
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Hi everyone, didn't get RBed last night (checked marv) interestingly enough. First I thought it wasn't very indicative of anything, I don't have to get RBed/ killed untill N2. But WoS's claim changes alot of stuff.
First off, its really funky that scum would RNG their RB on WoS, sure stuff like that happends but its not really helping WoS in any way.
But what I really find interesting is, now that we "have" both a cop and a vigi with a shot AND are not at MYLO today, even if vigi hits townie, scum cannot prevent both of these at the same time with a single roleblock, which means scum will either have to shoot me (which is kinda good, given so many are suspicious of me now, Lol : D) or they'll have to let WoS take his shot and risk it hitting scum.
So really, not me nor WoS should get lynched today. We will be able to do stuff with night action if we are both town and if we are scum you can just kill us later.
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Fuba claiming survivor is really not saying anything atm. No jailing to back it up means he could just as well be lying. Should be treated as a null.
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Vivax most likely confirmed town. Sure, scum could've held their second shot but really, they gave up their chance winning on D2 doing so which seems very unlikely.
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Actually, I'm not really used to these 23+1 hours nights but shouldn't the proper vigi play to announce who you shot so that person can out his reads? A quite minor point though, because marv was already in the thread at that point IIRC but still.
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On July 03 2013 12:43 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 02 2013 05:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 02 2013 05:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Vayne looks bad. Sad that he is a lynch bait but I'm kinda OK with killing him. I don't understand at all his reasoning for voting me. First I'm scum then town, then I'm town, then I'm null, then scum again. And that's right when the wagon on me is about to start what is "lynchbait" to you? I have already stated that I have never been lynched while playing on TL...and yes I am jumping around on you a lot ill openly admit that. But I think the scummy qualities you are emitting override the town qualities you are emitting, I changed my opinion when vivax directed me toward the noir mafia game. Ow, missed that. Still WoS claimed that you had played a style that didn't "fit" TL and that the most townie you you played was when you was scum, guess I misinterpreted that. Lol, I bet you didn't even open noir mafia. If you read some of the end game comments you'll see what Vivax said isn't true at all. We won that because town was lazy fuck. I had like 6 pages filter and was considered active in a game that went to D3. I wasn't good at looking townie. And even if I was, this is still a stupid conclusion to draw. Yhea, this guy looks quite townie, but he can play townie as scum as well so I'll lynch him. OH actually this is interesting. I missed it He justifies the Vayne lynch going BOTH ways. As in he wants to lynch him for looking crazy scummy...oh but he would also lynch him for looking town because he looks the most town as scum. Read it again, my last paragraph was a response to Vayne who first said I was town then null and then out of a sudden scum for no other reason than that Vivax said I can play quite townie as scum. Which is a terrible argument I'd say. It is nothing about justifying the Vayne lynch both ways.
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On July 03 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:
As fun as it is exchanging insults with Marv, I think today should focus on Fuba(last to claim, who has to essentially claim survivor, miller or unknown, or he has to fight it out with a claimee) and the blues. As I've already mentioned Virax is blue or we dont know anything about this game XD WOS is uber suspicious Lazer is null, and his alignment might really depend on what Marv is(on the one hand he claimed first as blue, which is uber risky, and they're hasn't been a counter, but if they're is no miller and Marv is his buddy then it might have been a safe claim). I'm biased about Gumshoe.
Vivak is virtually guaranteed vet. Please offer your thoughts on me WOS Lazer and Fuba. I think us 4 should be the candidates for todays lynch. Were much better picks than the great big ball of chaotic uncertainty that is Marv
Marv how do you feel about Lynching WOS or Fuba?
As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.
P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
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I'm going to do some quick answering to Rayn's suspiciouns because he was one of the most vocal persons saying I was scum + he is confirmed town at this point. I hope I can give some satisfying answers for those still suspecting me.On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Lazer is mafia.
- His whole D1 besides a couple of his first comments, particularly his stance of Vayne and what he said about it on N1, rofl
This is the exchange that he is referencingOn July 03 2013 05:31 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: First off. There was no case. I said he was scummy because of stuff.
Secondly, at least I thought that we had one extra hour (which we did get in the end...) so marvs comment wasn't really that last minute.
Thirdly, marv couldn't possibly just think Vayne was more scummy?
If fuba ends up flipping red I agree that marv looks really bad for this, but untill then I don't read too much into this. WTF! YOU HAD BEEN CALLING HIM SCUM FOR ALL GAME! AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF "STUFF"???? scum. Are you dumb? how is this alignment indicative? I displayed several things in his play that would indicate scum play, however that does not make a case. On July 03 2013 05:36 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So your suggestion is that marv decided to look into vayne 30 min before the assumed deadline instead of looking into town's suspects because you did think he is scummy but didn't even make a case (which i btw confronted you at that time if you remember). Seems legit- No, Im suggesting marv looked into Vayne 90 minutes before the suggested deadline instead of town's suspects. Whether he did that because of my posts or not, I don't know. I don't get why me not having a case against Vayne at the point is relevant? Alot of people get lynched without having a case on them. Or how are you defining a cse? So just because I didn't write an essay on how Vayne is scum means I don't have the right to chase him? That doesn't make any sense at all. I admitt to being somewhat lazy in attacking Vayne but on the other hand I explained quite clearly why that was. I felt the Vayne was playing was very similar to the bad town play you see in some players who are always up for lynch no matter what day or alignment they have. That was why I felt uneasy to vote him.
Also, I was very unsure of when the dead line was, something that You'll see quite clearly if you look at my filter. I then also missread what Igrok said here as that the dead line would be 5:30...On July 02 2013 05:50 iGrok wrote:
Hey guys, running a bit late from work, lynch will end at proper time, I'll tally the votes by 5:30. Please don't talk after voting has ended. Thanks! On July 02 2013 05:51 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so we have 10min, who do we lynch? Marv are you sure vayne is scum? 40* On July 02 2013 05:54 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OP says:
48/24 Time cycle, deadline 00:00 CAT (+02:00), which is 8min from now.. Yhea, but igrok just said... On July 02 2013 05:55 Lazermonkey wrote:
OW FUCK
On July 02 2013 05:56 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm Cpl. Wilhelm Wicki - American Parity Cop (German/Not German)
On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:- HC-defends marv for no reason (him being legit cop does not make marv town) First off, how does this even make me scum? The only way it would is if marv would actually be scum. But then why would I (bad) want to defend marv (one of the best) instead of letting him doing it himself?
AlsoOn July 03 2013 04:16 Lazermonkey wrote:
Am I the only one who find it insanely ironic that Rayn is getting shit stormed like mad D1 because he didn't react to the miller claim from "the PoV that town should have done", yet he is all over marv becuase he didn't react to the cop claim from "the PoV that miller should have"?
Seriously Rayn, pull your shit together... I rest my case...
On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:- really shitty answers to me, for example straight out lying about him knowing the deadline was +1 hours I already explained the deadline issue. I don't know what other shitty answers he is refering to so I'm just going to ignore this issue.
On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- completely disappearing when i try to set up a convo between him/WoS, as he had nothing more to argue. I said I was mad and demoralized, mostly at myself, for my actions during D1. That I didn't feel like playing all night. Also, this is yet another display of Ryan's insane confirmation bias towards me
Rayn: Say something to WoS
Me: Naw, fuck this game, I don't feel like saying anything to WoS.
Rayn: OMFG, U SCUM LAZOR?
Would it not be easier for me to just ask some random shit ass question to WoS instead of just going away? I'm not saying me going away is a town tell but treating it as a scum tell, especially when I said that I didn't want to play alot at that point, is beyond me.
On July 03 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
- pointing out "hilarious stuff", which i could not know as i assumed scum had 1 KP. OF COURSE THAT FUCKING CHANGES MY POINT OF VIEW! And this is just retarded.
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Okay, that wasn't very quick but w/e ^^. I'll go out for a run and then I'll try to decide who I want to kill today. I think that player is fuba though I am not yet certain. See you in a bit.
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