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Oatsmaster
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 03 2013 10:49 gumshoe wrote: Im saying either I die or Wos dies, unless Fuba gets somehow even more suspicious(he hasn't claimed a role yet). Also I'm willing to go because I'm take WOS with me as well Lol and if somehow we're both town then you take the game with you as well lolololol Dat tunnelvision | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 03 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote: HAY GUMSHOE THE BOLDED PLZ I also like how the best arguments you're coming up with right now is shit that is literally days old despite the fact that I've probably posted just as much since I came back from my absence. Like the French? That's one of your arguments? Really? The french? The stream of thought? Your posting is almost purposely obfuscated, and this whole incident? Also I never said you could play bluer. Just that I'f I was scum, and was blowing one block on say Lazer, my pick for the other would not be you unless I was picking out of a bloody hat. Which means your claim is pretty farfetched. This along with your late claim and the fact that I know Vivax is town means either you or Lazer is scum. The circumstances give you the edge, though I'd like to hear from Lazer if he got blocked as well(if he can disclose that info, not sure how his peek works) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Oats for the record I think your original idea made the most sense but now I don't know what to do about the hole gumshoe has climbed into. We should at least start looking into which of the greens are the most scummy and then we can decide later on if it makes more sense to lynch blue or green. (It might make more sense to lynch blue due to simple probability but as you said it might work itself out through N2 actions so I'm not sure.) | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 03 2013 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so you arent willing to put in effort to find other scum besides WoS? Like wtf gumshoe. I'll look at Fuba or lazer depending on what they say. The plan was to use the claim to produce conflicts. Right now Fuba and WOS are the more convincing of those conflicts. Today we deal with them as well as maybe Lazer(need to hear from him). If that means lynching me so be it. If you want to press Fuba by all means, if he doesn't say anything or hes less believable ill lynch him instead. but I'm not taking another guess when it's near certain that one of these three is scum. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 03 2013 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll be back later on after my guy's first nightfeed. Oats for the record I think your original idea made the most sense but now I don't know what to do about the hole gumshoe has climbed into. We should at least start looking into which of the greens are the most scummy and then we can decide later on if it makes more sense to lynch blue or green. (It might make more sense to lynch blue due to simple probability but as you said it might work itself out through N2 actions so I'm not sure.) What hole? We havent hear about this from anyone else other than us three. Dont try to reverse engineer the kind of environment you need to survive the day please : P | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
COME ON. Out of the none blue claimers and fuba, who do you think is scum? | ||
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s0Lstice
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On July 02 2013 21:29 marvellosity wrote: s0lstice: you ended up plopping your vote on fuba at the end of the day, when you hadn't mentioned him at all previously in your filter. Explain how and why your vote ended up on fuba please. this is due for an immediate answer. as I said, fuba was sorta nullish for me leading up to the lynch. his first big wall post didn't do much for me, and I wanted to wait and see. as we are going in to the lynch, fuba is present in thread. I would have liked to lynch stutters, but I didn't have much success garnering support. of the lynches that were possible, I liked fuba the best after flicking through filters quickly. look here: On July 02 2013 05:02 mkfuba07 wrote: These start just about at when rayn starts bold shouting. Responses to more recent events to follow shortly. rayn pretty emotional about this. seems kinda invested. reaction really different from his one in roulette. Not sure if availability to play is a factor. Lazer's 6th post: Don't really understand why it's so scummy. I mean, he seems to make a series of assumptions that I probably wouldn't make, but I could see town doing it. Was hoping for something more compelling. Vayne's reaction to me: Eh, WoS seemed to feel that you were town in roulette, even though he kept pointing out how he could interpret your play as scummy. I trust his synopsis, because it was roughly in sync with what I felt in the middle of the game, after I played with you a while, and before I got all setup-crazy. Top scumread: rayn or stutters. They're kinda tied. gumshoe, regarding JJD: "Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" Was thinking of gumshoe as leaning town with some confusing/misguided reasoning, but this is really stretching for scumminess. I've seen plenty of townies say something like JDD did, and it was really only called into question when the person who said it was already scummy for other reasons. S0L: has a point about Lazer (in that what he said about rayn seems to come from a town perspective), but the point about rayn isn't entirely valid, imo. The thing about scum is that they know when they've been legit caught in a slip. And for me it's not entirely the fact that rayn instantly believed marv's claim, it's that he won't admit how much easier it would have been for marv to fakeclaim given that he didn't post his role name and presumably all of the millers have claimed if they were going to. S0L also makes some good points about stutters. rayn's read post: ugh, *now* he's unsure of marv? Regarding me: the people I commented on were the ones I'd given the most thought to at the time. Believe it or not, that post took me something like four hours to write, having to read through everything and analyze it. I didn't comment on people I hadn't given a lot of thought to, which included the most recent topics of discussion. This isn't anything new for me. I also never said I was good at reading WoS. I said he would probably reveal himself through his play, and as such wasn't really on my mind at the time. Finally, not adding anything to a case that I already find convincing isn't scummy. If I had anything to add, I would have said it earlier instead of saying I was leaning town on you. I intentionally avoided just repeating everything vivax and oats said, because it's a waste of time. I pointed out what convinced me, and moved on. As for WoS, he was completely off my radar, which isn't really a good sign in his case. Dove his filter *really* fast: D1 Roulette he was townie almost from the start. So far he's comparably a lurker, but his thoughts have been in line with my own many times throughout the thread. Possibly scum if his activity doesn't improve (anyone know if WoS lurks as scum?), but definitely not a lynch today imo. JJD is gonna need a filter dive as well as a reread of the cases on him, which I'm not doing at this exact moment. His responses to gumshoe's "implication post" make me lean townie on him, though. The rest is stuff that I've generally skimmed over because I know I'll have to go back and analyze it all together. JJD's JDD+gumshoe post: Pretty convincing. Why would town try to paint someone as scummy by pointing out something that they themselves would do in that situation? That's not town perspective. claiming names: Thought it looked like a good idea, but as JJD said, it would actually break the game, right? Stutters' case against me: in a following post. There's too much to respond to XD Followed by lots of stuff that I'm gonna have to read through again. Lemme know if you really want me to focus on something, apparently there's less time than I thought. Feeling most comfortable with a stutters/rayn lynch. This is pretty proximal to lynch time. Reading through, I'm thinking 'fuba has a scum read on gumshoe.' As we draw near lynch though, do you remember what he was doing with that valuable time? Arguing with a scum read who wasn't getting lynched. What a townie does here is do their very best to get a scum read lynched. Thing is, JJ was in thread pushing gumshoe. Fuba could have helped out here immensely. Conversely, he could have gone balls to the wall for stutters, by talking to pretty much anyone BUT stutters. It didn't look at all to me like he really cared for the lynch, so I was comfortable putting my vote there and suggesting others do the same. I wish I wasn't so pressed for time, otherwise I could have pushed a lot harder. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 03 2013 11:00 Oatsmaster wrote: NO WE DONT BECAUSE THEY WILL BE RESOLVED ANYWAY N2. COME ON. Out of the none blue claimers and fuba, who do you think is scum? See this is bullshit, why do I need to present a gut based read? I did that before and I was pretty much wrong(Jar Jar) you did that before and were totally wrong (Rayne) also regarding night two this is what happens. Vixax loses his last life because we have no Landa, scum kill one of the greens, probably you or maybe Jar Jar who knows. What they will not do is kill me Lazer or WOS because they can rollblock Wos AND Lazer if need be and they're not stupid enough to give away one of they're own. Nothing will resolve itself, Marv was hoping it would yesterday and it didn't, but that's fine because that was at night. This is day, we cannot idly sit by and hope scum do our job for us. They wont. Killing just one scum drastically increases our odds of success by reducing they're kp. So why look anywhere else when blues and Fuba are our best bets? They are the reason we revealed and nullified our cop and vig. Why would we let them get away? BTW if you want another read I made one on Marv, but I'm not lynching outside of Lazer WOS or Fuba because one of them is scum(unless fuba fights a claimee) and our job as town is to lynch scum, not whoever we feel shiity about, in case you forgot. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
he told me something in Les Mis where we were both town, and hence had no reason to lie to me. he said he doesn't get in serious hot head shitfests as scum because it feels unsportsmanlike. I'm seeing that here...he is staying in thread and throwing down with reckless abandon. he straight up told someone 'fuck you' because he was being pestered from 100 different angles. I'm leaning town because of this. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
How the game is played isnt through sifting through claims, its through looking at peoples posting and seeing if they are playing to promote a scum objective rather than trying to find scum themselves. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 03 2013 11:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont care about your gut based reads. I dont think you understand what I mean. How the game is played isnt through sifting through claims, its through looking at peoples posting and seeing if they are playing to promote a scum objective rather than trying to find scum themselves. The scum have two kp and all the blues are outed, at this point all they need to do is survive the day and it's effectively gg. They're only agenda is survival. I am not looking through claims, I am pointing out that one of us blues is scum and WOS is the most suspicious. I am the second, lynch me or him and you will find scum either way. Vivax is blue 100 percent, if you cant convince me Lazer is more suspicious than me or WOS than thats that. Try and steer me away and your pretty much just a hypocrite, nobody tunnels as hard as you. The difference is I know for a fact either Lazer or WOS (or hell, both) is scum. If you suspect me more than them than go ahead and lynch me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 03 2013 11:42 gumshoe wrote: The scum have two kp and all the blues are outed, at this point all they need to do is survive the day and it's effectively gg. They're only agenda is survival. I am not looking through claims, I am pointing out that one of us blues is scum and WOS is the most suspicious. I am the second, lynch me or him and you will find scum either way. Vivax is blue 100 percent, if you cant convince me Lazer is more suspicious than me or WOS than thats that. Try and steer me away and your pretty much just a hypocrite, nobody tunnels as hard as you. The difference is I know for a fact either Lazer or WOS (or hell, both) is scum. If you suspect me more than them than go ahead and lynch me. What if they are all town? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
4 blues? WOS himself called bull on that. Also stop trying to assuage me, I'm supposed to be channeling you. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 03 2013 11:50 gumshoe wrote: 4 blues? WOS himself called bull on that. Also stop trying to assuage me, I'm supposed to be channeling you. WoS is host? Anyway, the question is, is scum going all in on this? hmm | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 03 2013 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: WoS is host? Anyway, the question is, is scum going all in on this? hmm No, Wos knows cause WOS is scum. And no I'm not sure that they'res not more blues than they're are scum and that all blue roles are in play. After all They're is a thin line between knowing and thinking, still, vote WOS : P. The idea that they're are four blues coupled with the idea that the role called last coupled with the farfetched notion that mafia role blocked him(randomly essentially, he said it himself, he wasn't trying to play blue) also WOS was immediately of the opinion that one of the blues was fake. Ladies and gents we have a problem here. There are some fakeclaimers amongst the blues as I am Donny Donowitz. I'm assuming since the shot I took at marv didn't go through I was roleblocked. Vivax were you notified of your hit? There is no way in hell all the blue roles are present in this game so some people are lying. Why was he so sure? You attacked Rayne for a lesser supposed insight regarding miller odds, yet here comes WOS guns blazing certain of a fight. He knows they're isn't a 4th blue cause hes the fake and hes trying to take the aggressive stance because he knows hes going to be challenged, and hes getting challenged because hes scum. Also hes claiming blue because it's easier than claiming a specific role and having scum be either A or B, claiming the extra blue role would be a struggling scums best bet. In general Believing that WOS is not scum and blue requires a great deal of suspension of disbelief, why not just go Occums razor on this guys ass? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 03 2013 12:14 gumshoe wrote: No, Wos knows cause WOS is scum. And no I'm not sure that they'res not more blues than they're are scum and that all blue roles are in play. After all They're is a thin line between knowing and thinking, still, vote WOS : P. The idea that they're are four blues coupled with the idea that the role called last coupled with the farfetched notion that mafia role blocked him(randomly essentially, he said it himself, he wasn't trying to play blue) also WOS was immediately of the opinion that one of the blues was fake. I gonna ignore the second bit cause thats pure speculation and confirmation biased. RB's d1 are normally random unless there is a blue slip or whatever. Scum got lucky. Good for them. WoS is the last to claim cause hes unlucky. Normal mini games have 2-3 blues. This game, there are 4 claimed blues. Its reasonable to think that 1 is fake. You are crazy tunneled not even on his play, on speculation and making up a theory that fits your assumption that WoS is scum. Ok so WoS is scum, and the scumteam decided to withhold their RB and for WoS to claim last. The reason why this is not really what I wouldve done as scum is because its obvious you are vengeful townie, and its obvious after the blocked KP that there is a vet. So vig is an easy claim. So therefore, the fact that WoS claimed last has nothing to do with his alignment. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Ok so ifWoS is scum, and the scumteam decided to withhold their RB and for WoS to claim last | ||
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