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We lynch Marv or WoS today.
Look at WoS posts since my last post.
He comes back claiming a shot on marv, mentions it more or less on-the-go, without a reason for it.
When he's in the thread with marv, both seem to ignore each other, but marv called everyone else stupid at the very least just for being suspected.
WoS is nonexistent for him for claiming a shot. Does this seem natural for you?
WoS drops a vote on Lazer, and the guy he has shot suddenly seems to be of no importance.
Marv's last post is a pretty shitty bus with a little shit-throwing at me on-the-go.
Town marv pushes his lynches a lot, and he talks with his scumreads a lot. This isn't town marv, pretty easy to tell.
I'm equally sure that WoS isn't town either.
In either case, I wouldn't lynch the claimed cop before either of them. I'm especially interested into lynching the claimed miller cause it will tell us more about the likelihood of a cop.
I believe fuba's claim. We'll have to lynch him at some point, but priority is to reduce scum KP today.
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Vivax, all your posts are just mystical stories of things that haven't actually happened. I salute you.
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On July 03 2013 19:43 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, all your posts are just mystical stories of things that haven't actually happened. I salute you.
Tell me more about WoS please.
I'd love seeing you push him.
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On July 03 2013 19:40 Vivax wrote:
Town marv pushes his lynches a lot, and he talks with his scumreads a lot. This isn't town marv, pretty easy to tell.
This is especially hilarious to me.
gumshoe: bad marv, you pushed your lynch too much and it's all your fault town are sheep!
Vivax: bad marv, you're not pushing your lynches!
just lol
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It's explainable under the point of view that marv's pushes at deadline were motivated from scum agenda.
Gumshoe said it himself iirc, it's probable that it was a scum lynch on the line.
N1 and start of D2 he obviously didn't show having scumreads. A look at the filter is enough.
If marv thinks his attackers are shit, he can always proceed to ignore them and push his own lynches.
But he doesn't have real scumreads.
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I am exaggerating by saying he didn't have any scumreads though.
What I want to say is that he didn't show much conviction in pushing them.
Those people he claimed looked "bad" were fuba, s0lstice, gumshoe and to a lesser extent JJ.
fuba claimed survivor.
gumshoe claimed blue.
s0lstice joined the massclaim quickly.
JJ was the first to claim his name.
I am (totally not unbiased  ) assuming that these guys are all mislynches.
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On July 03 2013 19:54 Vivax wrote:I am exaggerating by saying he didn't have any scumreads though. What I want to say is that he didn't show much conviction in pushing them. Those people he claimed looked "bad" were fuba, s0lstice, gumshoe and to a lesser extent JJ. fuba claimed survivor. gumshoe claimed blue. s0lstice joined the massclaim quickly. JJ was the first to claim his name. I am (totally not unbiased ) assuming that these guys are all mislynches. Explain how fubas claim make him look more town...
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I believe fuba's claim. We'll have to lynch him at some point, but priority is to reduce scum KP today.
Lazer, who will you lynch if you can't lynch fuba.
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On July 03 2013 19:54 Vivax wrote:I am exaggerating by saying he didn't have any scumreads though. What I want to say is that he didn't show much conviction in pushing them. Those people he claimed looked "bad" were fuba, s0lstice, gumshoe and to a lesser extent JJ. fuba claimed survivor. gumshoe claimed blue. s0lstice joined the massclaim quickly. JJ was the first to claim his name. I am (totally not unbiased ) assuming that these guys are all mislynches.
Lol, I'm sitting here facepalming. I was trying to find out more about all of fuba/s0lstice/gumshoe, it's why I asked questions of them. Simply *reading* my filter would let you see that. I assume you do actually read things right?
I get attacked relentlessly last night for... not attacking fuba! Now... I get attacked for 'attacking' fuba! Holy shit.
Funny thing about the massclaim is that nothing is clear for anything. I assume mafia did have fakeclaims of some variety (think Dr Who) so sadly it was all a lot less important than it might have been. As for WoS:
On July 03 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:You know marv, for someone who claimed miller so early with no name you certainly do resist this a whole lot. On July 02 2013 18:29 marvellosity wrote:
Hi guys. How much do you think random townie name claims are worth? Was running through my head around a bit last night, and I'm basically kinda assuming scum got at least some fakeclaims. On July 02 2013 19:40 marvellosity wrote:On July 02 2013 19:34 Vivax wrote:On July 02 2013 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
It's not 100% clear from the OP that *only* the names listed are in the game maybe? I assume you guys have names from the OP? I'm 99 % sure only the names listed are in the game. It says "these roles will be in the game". Why would the host give someone a name other than ones listed there? Actually it says "The following characters may be in the game" which is not quite the same thing. The reason would be to prevent massclaiming potentially breaking the game Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm trying to say that unless scum were given fakeclaims (he 'assumes' as such, though probably a fair assumption since otherwse iGrok would basically be allowing his game to be broken) he could be resisting this for the obvious reason that when he claimed he didn't realize we would be allowed to do this, and now is worried about being caught as scum.
I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting?
Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine. How is this 'playing it down' or 'weakly resisting'? It's discussing various facets? I randomly brought it up in the thread myself because I was musing on it. Given practically everyone hitherto had accepted the claim, what the crap do you think I was trying to achieve? Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
I said at the start of the game I would not have claimed miller just because someone asked me to. There could very well still be a miller. It is also possible that marv really IS miller but I don't believe that to be as likely as him being scum based on the way he has acted since returning.
I reacted the same way when DP claimed it in CC and was grilled for it, but I believed his claim because of how he acted regarding it. Marv has not acted in this same way and been as absolutely transparent about his claim as he could have been (which imo should be expected if you claim miller and expect not to be lynched). It seems to me that marv expects to skate by on his claim because he's marv, and he's been successful so far.
We'll definitely see what D2 brings regarding all of this though.
By the way Rayn according to your above explanation why can't either of their claims be real? Especially Lazer's imo? I literally can't tell which of the two of you are worse. I didn't claim because rayn asked me to, I claimed because I will *always* claim self-aware miller if that's the role I receive, because I consider it best play in all circumstances. 'The way he has acted since returning'? You better back up this shit, otherwise it's just crap-flinging. There's nothing else to say about a miller-claim other than 'i'm miller'.
On July 03 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote:
45 minutes. Ok all caught up.
Don't think rayn is making a big play, I think he's got it into his head that scum decided to fakeclaim two roles for giggles and that makes both me and Lazer scum. whatever. rayn is right on the cusp of standard of player where he's pushing my credulity in pushing this, but in the end he's not sandroba so maybe I can let it slide.
WoS looks pretty bad to me for passively encouraging this and general shit-flingyness. Do not like.
Not sure about JarJar for jumping on the retardedness and jumping off later. Can't tell if he was town getting caught up or mafia realising a bad thing and getting off it at the right time. Still gonna guess from the claim he's town I guess.
s0lstice is absent and still hasn't explained his vote on fuba, scummy I think.
fuba mysteriously ignored my questions to him, and that makes me suspicious. I'm also suspicious of him for spending so much time thinking apparently and coming to a bad conclusion regarding the claims.
On July 03 2013 06:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 03 2013 05:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2013 05:02 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2013 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 03 2013 04:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 03 2013 04:45 Lazermonkey wrote:
Rayn, I'm done. You are very likely town at this point. But your arguments are really crappy at this point and you are suffering from an insane amount of confirmation bias. Marv could be scum but not because of the things you say. Good thing is that you are probably getting shot soon so I don't have to deal with this BS anymore... What's wrong with my thought process? Also what do you see in the set of quotes i posted? Nothing wrong in marv's behaviour? I'm guessing you say that marv swayed the lynch away from the main candidates? am I correct? Tell me what do you see and then i'll tell what i see. I'm sorry, I may be retarded and missing something but what I see is marv swaying the lynch from me/fuba to Vayne and me buddying marv for doing so. This is what i see. - marv is not caught up and wants to know who he should be looking into - i tell him to look into lazer/fuba/wos - he puts his vote on wos because "everything else is fucking dense" - you come in with a last minute case on vayne - marv does not comment on fuba/you in any way, but instead tells us to lynch vayne. wtf? why is he even looking in there as the case is presented by one of the people town currently think is scum, and why did he not look into those town's suspects instead? If you'll remember in my posts last night I brought up the fact that Marv and Vivax were both content to relegate the lynch to those who weren't able to defend themselves at the time. I remember Marv's vote on me looking particularly awful. That's twice now I've caught you flinging shit at me without explaining why. I voted you short of time as a low-effort absent poster, which is practically the only reasonable continuation in my circumstances. I moved on to Vayne because he was even worse in that regard.
And the best reason is still
On July 03 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:
As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.
P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
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I don't recall you genuinely wanting to lynch people for being stupid marv.
Your arguments are: WoS is scum cause of dull, stupid play. Okay.
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On July 03 2013 20:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +I believe fuba's claim. We'll have to lynch him at some point, but priority is to reduce scum KP today. Lazer, who will you lynch if you can't lynch fuba. Probably stutters if I had to chose someone right at this moment. I'm chosing him, gumshoe, s0lstice and prehaps Oats today. Everyone else, I think is town except for WoS who I'm thinking is likely scum but night actions should be able to give a clearer picture regarding his alignment, so I'd rather save him today.
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Oh and shit-flinging. Your bread and butter.
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On July 03 2013 20:07 Vivax wrote:
I don't recall you genuinely wanting to lynch people for being stupid marv.
Your arguments are: WoS is scum cause of dull, stupid play. Okay.
If I wanted that, I'd have been pushing for your lynch since minute zero.
It's about assessing the strength of a player and deciding what he would/wouldn't do or believe in any situation. Note how I even commented on rayn's strength as a player when I decided that he was craycray town.
If you genuinely think that trying to work out what players would do or believe in a certain situation isn't how you play the game, then you need to rethink how you play the game.
WoS is scum because he passively encouraged rayn in his dumb crusade, he repeatedly flung shit at me without explaining it, and then he took a totally unexplainable shot at me last night when I don't think he's anywhere near that terrible. It's very simple.
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Are you guys experienced in fuba's play? because I'm having a hard time not wanting to lynch him right now actually...
He doesn't actually care about the lynch at all... He talks about why he is not scum, talks about about why Rayn is scum and then changes his mind regarding Rayn. He thinks stutters i scum. But none of these are relevant for the D1 lynch basically. It was a WoS/me/him and then also Vayne. Yet he basically says nothing about any of these 3. He gives a really simple explanation of why WoS is town when he is called out for it. Votes Vayne cuz...?
He comes in claims survivor and then what? Nothing. No scum hunting no nothing.
##Vote: mkfuba07
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On July 03 2013 20:02 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 19:54 Vivax wrote:I am exaggerating by saying he didn't have any scumreads though. What I want to say is that he didn't show much conviction in pushing them. Those people he claimed looked "bad" were fuba, s0lstice, gumshoe and to a lesser extent JJ. fuba claimed survivor. gumshoe claimed blue. s0lstice joined the massclaim quickly. JJ was the first to claim his name. I am (totally not unbiased ) assuming that these guys are all mislynches. Explain how fubas claim make him look more town... Still this Vivax. You are also allowed to answer, marv!
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On July 03 2013 20:24 marvellosity wrote:
Who cares I do. WoS is a bad lynch for today unless we are 101% sure he is scum. And we aren't.
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Don't 'we' at me. Saying WoS is a bad lynch doesn't make him a bad lynch.
Does remind me though. fuba, this is what I wanted answered:
On July 02 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 21:48 mkfuba07 wrote:On July 02 2013 08:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I'm off work.
Catching up since I missed multiple pages. Oh, and before I forget, is this another promise of action that you've neglected? Given I can think of at least one example you've played with Stutters before (LIX) and I know in that game it was brought up that Stutters does this as town all the time, why are you bringing this up here?
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On July 03 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:
As fun as it is exchanging insults with Marv, I think today should focus on Fuba(last to claim, who has to essentially claim survivor, miller or unknown, or he has to fight it out with a claimee) and the blues. As I've already mentioned Virax is blue or we dont know anything about this game XD WOS is uber suspicious Lazer is null, and his alignment might really depend on what Marv is(on the one hand he claimed first as blue, which is uber risky, and they're hasn't been a counter, but if they're is no miller and Marv is his buddy then it might have been a safe claim). I'm biased about Gumshoe.
Vivak is virtually guaranteed vet. Please offer your thoughts on me WOS Lazer and Fuba. I think us 4 should be the candidates for todays lynch. Were much better picks than the great big ball of chaotic uncertainty that is Marv
Marv how do you feel about Lynching WOS or Fuba? As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.
P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like. ##Vote: WaveofShadow You don't seem to be even close to 101% sure that WoS is scum here. So why do you disagree?
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On July 03 2013 20:29 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 18:21 marvellosity wrote:On July 03 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:
As fun as it is exchanging insults with Marv, I think today should focus on Fuba(last to claim, who has to essentially claim survivor, miller or unknown, or he has to fight it out with a claimee) and the blues. As I've already mentioned Virax is blue or we dont know anything about this game XD WOS is uber suspicious Lazer is null, and his alignment might really depend on what Marv is(on the one hand he claimed first as blue, which is uber risky, and they're hasn't been a counter, but if they're is no miller and Marv is his buddy then it might have been a safe claim). I'm biased about Gumshoe.
Vivak is virtually guaranteed vet. Please offer your thoughts on me WOS Lazer and Fuba. I think us 4 should be the candidates for todays lynch. Were much better picks than the great big ball of chaotic uncertainty that is Marv
Marv how do you feel about Lynching WOS or Fuba? As I was lying in bed last night feeling pretty stoned and trying not to think about mafia, I decided that WoS has to die. I still feel the same today sober. One reason only: WoS claimed to shoot me last night. Now, shooting me is an exceptionally dull, stupid play. Thus, I am left with the choice: is WoS really really terrible at this game, or is he scum? I don't think (I don't hope) he's terrible.
P.S. for all you people saying Vivax wouldn't fakeclaim/waste a hit - he's twice shot his own team-mate as mafia. Just sayin' like. ##Vote: WaveofShadow You don't seem to be even close to 101% sure that WoS is scum here. So why do you disagree?
Sure enough. He's the best lynch for reasons I already explained.
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