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gumshoe
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On July 03 2013 12:29 s0Lstice wrote: Oats and gumshoe, what do you think of Lazer's actions surrounding the D1 lynch? I've already mentioned that It's stupid that he regarded Vayne as lynch bait but went on to lynch him. I would be fine lynching him Fuba or WOS. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah thats true. Assumably he knows that WoS thinks Vayne looks townie as scum and scummy as town. But he never ever references that. BUTTT the claim. No other blue claims, really really high chance of being counterclaimed UNLESS marv is scum and he knows there are no millers. So both of them are scum or Lazer is town and marv is scum or both are town. Lazer is only scum if marv is scum. So you dont want to lynch Lazer, you dont want to lynch me, you dont want to lynch WOS but you know one of us scum? Why are you more confident in WOS than Lazer despite Lazers early claim? If you aren't then just lynch me or WOS. If your town it's win win. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:46 Oatsmaster wrote: gumshoe, im done talking with you. Because your wrong, and incapable of seeing reason, or your scum. Personally I hope it's the first. | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:45 s0Lstice wrote: Speaking of those claims, I'm pretty interested in operating like they don't exist. That's probably a function of me being terrible with claim stuff. When he claimed...he thought there were only 4 minutes left right? Could he not have just randomly picked a blue and got lucky that there isn't actually a cop in the game? Fuba has yet to claim, WOS is scum. What more do you want? BTW do you really believe that Wos just happened to be role blocked, and that he claimed last? Why is anyone else more suspicious than him? What major contribution has WOS made outside of being not outright scummy? Why do you still put stock in Oats word? He was wrong about Rayne and hes flip flopped for seemingly no reason on WOS other than that I attacked him. | ||
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On July 03 2013 13:02 s0Lstice wrote: It is within the realm of possibility that he was role-blocked and claimed last. Whether it is likely or not is pretty difficult to discern. Like I just said, I'd really prefer to just ignore the claims, considering how it shook out. I want to lynch the scummiest player. I'm talking to both of you because you are here. If we only talked to people who were right all the time, it'd be a pretty quiet game. Sigh, no one gives my claim credence because I might be scum, but they wont kill me because I might be town : P. Revenge townie 22. Seriously if I was Marv and I came in here with this case yall would doubtlessly be down with it. Well maybe not Marv this game XD. Though I'll agree with you for now, they're are other scum out there. Also how do you feel about Fuba not having claimed? They're are also no spots left to claim but survivor. Will you believe him if thats what he decides? | ||
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On July 03 2013 13:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Gumshoe, why are you dismissing everything I said because I was wrong about 1 read? Everyone please read this, no it isnt WIFOM. And no WoS isnt scum for claiming last. Which seems to be your main point Gumshoe. That and of four blues one pretty much has to be scum. And that be got randomly role blocked. and that he was sure there was a fake blue. But ignore all that in favour of what is easy to shut down. Fact is WOS is fishy, you still dont think hes scum fine. Just dont treat it as something it isn't. And guessing what scum would do is 100 percent wifom. I've done it as well and I cant lend to much stock into it. I thought you were done talking to me btw? Press a case and lynch me or go away, stop trying to make a duck not duck. | ||
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On July 03 2013 13:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Gumshoe, why are you dismissing everything I said because I was wrong about 1 read? Everyone please read this, no it isnt WIFOM. And no WoS isnt scum for claiming last. Which seems to be your main point Gumshoe. I'm saying you should not be at the forefront of town credence, because you tunneled to oblivion Rayne and he was innocent. I'm condemning your whole game over Rayne because for a long time he was your game, and you played bad. | ||
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On July 03 2013 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Killing fuba is worse than no lynching IMO. I think gumshoe is too infuriating to be scum. So yeah WoS is scum.  You do care ( : Heres something worth considering. If were willing to believe WOS's outrageous claim, then you have to consider Marv scum. Because he was the only one who was going to be shot last night, lazer was secondary. Scum would only risk a random roll block to find vig if one of they're own was in danger, otherwise they'd let the shot go through on a townie and wed be in super duper omega lylo. If WOS is lying though that says nothing about Marv's alignment. Also if this is the case why has WOS not been bussing Marv? If hes town he should be vindicated right now, seeing as scum blocked his shot because he was targeting scum. Instead he claims that he shot Marv and then lets it go, choosing to focus on the blue dilemma. This makes no sense from a town perspective. In light of this you can see WOS has proven wishy washy twoards Marv all throughout day 2. I think you're going to have to come up with something better than "people who agree with me instantly aren't scum." First of all I do agree with you in that I find marv to be the most likely to be scum atm, but I always consider other options as well---considering that there have been games where presence of roles that can mess with cop do not necessarily indicate cop does not mean I disagree with you. Tries to harmlessly diffuse the conversation while suggesting other avenues. If you'll remember in my posts last night I brought up the fact that Marv and Vivax were both content to relegate the lynch to those who weren't able to defend themselves at the time. I remember Marv's vote on me looking particularly awful. Doesn't press this, sounds fairly passive here to begin with. (qoute in response to a case against Marv) This I can get behind. It seems a little at odds with your thinking earlier today but whatever. What do you make of Fuba's latest post-and-fuck-off? Try's to redirect onto Fuba. WTF Rayn? Why do you think I don't see what you do? I've said multiple times I agree that your scenario is more likely, I just don't want to completely exclude other possibilities. Mafia is a game of likelihoods and since your scenario is most likely in the case of marv, I would be voting him during the day (or Stutters, though I don't think I'm getting much support for that). Always a caveat. WOS frequently dances around the idea of Marv as scum but rarely pushes it. Virtually all his statements in regard to Marv are responses despite Marv supposedly being his number 1 read. Even when confronted with a situation in which Marv has to be scum 100 percent (him getting role blocked randomly because Marv was in danger) he doesn't follow up and tries to redirect the situation onto the blues. In fact Hes barely mentioned Marv since he took his shot. TLDR if WOS is town he needs to be pushing Marv, he isn't and therefor he is scum, which means Marv is likely scum too because if he was town WOS could quite easily get away with bussing him, yet he chooses not to. Also I messed up night two logic. Assuming either Lazer or Wos is scum, scum simply role block the real blue and then both blues claim role block tomorrow and were back in the exact same spot. They're thats how it works, they're shots will go to Vivax and a green. They cant kill me because the role block needs to go onto the actual blue and they risk a 1 for 1 trade by recklessly shooting me. Lastly To reiterate one last time what has been said WOS is scum because his role block claim is crazy, he picked the last role he could nab without getting into direct conflict, he refused to acknowledge the possibility of 4 blues until his head was on the line (being the first to suggest a fake) and he never once pushed a bus on me because my getting lynched is the same as him getting lynched(a risk hes not willing to take because he knows I'm blue). Hes been absent for ages now since weakly fighting the case against his claim and his play has been spotty/confusing all game. He has been on everyones radars at one point or another and what has he contributed? For Rayne and reasons sake, lynch WOS. Also Fuba, if Vivax dies tonight we lynch you next. | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: Isn't that why vote no-lynch @ Mylo is a good strategy? Please answer these questions marv: - Do you agree that if we mislynch today we lose the game? - Are you 100% sure that WoS is scum? Cause if you answer yes to the first, I don't know how you can answer no to the 2nd. Yes and Yes. What does lylo have to do with scum? | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:20 marvellosity wrote: So you'd incriminate me based on the failings of a (presumably) flipped mafia? What a star. WoS is sitting back and seeing what shit sticks, how lovely that you're here to connect the dots for him I assume you're another one of those who doesn't understand how retarded fakeclaiming miller for no reason at the start of day 1 was? Yes? Lovely. That is unless scum had fake claims. Which seems to be the case. You yourself have proposed this. BTW dont worry were not lynching you today : P. Also WOS is a good player and a fellow canadian. He would not make such an easy mistake. | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:22 marvellosity wrote: TIL from gumshoe: next time i roll mafia, sound convinced that a townie is scum and then stop pushing it. that townie is sure to get lynched after I die. Marv I'd just like to say it's a pleasure playing with you XD and yes that townie might die but only after you : P | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:27 marvellosity wrote: It would be a lot less dumb than fakeclaiming miller 5 minutes into the game in an unfamiliar setup with a highchance of town rolling miller. Just sayin like. Sooooo your agreeing with me? Also seeing as we dont even have 1 conflict of identity dont you think it's somewhat likely scum have fake claims? If not fake claims then what? The host himself said the setup hasn't been fully revealed. | ||
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On July 04 2013 01:55 Stutters695 wrote: Well I want to believe WoS because I still think Fuba is scum. I just don't understand fake claiming there. Why would scum be out to get him on d2 when all he has to do is talk his way out of a lynch today/defend fuba and mislynch into a n2 win by not blocking? What incentive does scum have to kill him here? None, the dude is in all likely hood scum. If he isn't after tonight things will look like this town 4 scum 3. If we lynch him as survivor we still get a chance at winning and we know Fuba is confirmed scum, if we lynch him as scum, then we got scum. They're is no reason not to vote for WOS. And man he just admitted to straight up lying to us, dont trust a word out of his mouth. | ||
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On July 04 2013 02:01 Stutters695 wrote: I'm aware. I'm pretty damn confident in my scumread on Fuba. I guess 3p would explain his weird behavior, but he's been so fucking scummy. Usually I'd associate someone with 3p if they're more on the townish-null side. They both can't be scum because this would be the most retarded bus in the history of mafia. Please vote WOS because hes straight up lied to us with his claim, hes second claiming survivor and they'res still all the aforementioned reasons to consider. Fuba's play can be explained somewhat by neutrality, WOS's is far more difficult to rationalize, hes just trying something crazy because what else is he supposed to do? Lay down and die? | ||
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On July 04 2013 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote: no JJD. at least I really hope not. Why? Either way were killing them both today or tomorrow. Unless we hit the scum today and we get a fantastic read on another scum player. | ||
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WOS why did you lie to us? | ||
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