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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 01 2013 01:08 GMT
#421
Stutters calls you town rayn, and you are calling him town for calling you town. Circlejerk.
Lurker lynches are what scum love to do because it doesnt require hard stances, every fucking person who has ONLY wanted to lynch lurkers has flipped scum. Stutters isnt that. But you are calling him town for that. ODD RAYN. ODD.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 01 2013 01:16 GMT
#422
Fuck you Oats, seriously. You fail at reading. Stutters calls me possibly scum but wants people who are not contributing to contribute. Why won't you actually read the posts before you post.

Also Vivax, what's left from your case against me? Or is it now only my stance on Stutters?

Oats you are really bad. Like really really bad. Now i know why people want to policy lynch you, you fail to understand simple things and it's pain in the ass to argue with you. You are voting me because "i know" marv is town. I call people i think are town town and unless something new information comes up treat them as town. That does not make me scum and you should know it. I use reactions to my posts in forming reads on other people and i have explained why i have said what i have said. If you are unable to see that i'm done talking with you because you won't understand anything any way, so it's a waste of time.
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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
July 01 2013 01:16 GMT
#423
I'm not what? Not following.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 01 2013 01:18 GMT
#424
Um what?

his reaction to my "scummiest post in the thread" was almost exactly how I'd react. I'd expect scum to be much more concerned with justifying their stance immediately rather than just laugh it off and not elaborate until pressure is on them.
This is calling you town. No questions. In this quote, stutters is calling you town rayn.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 01 2013 01:22 GMT
#425
On July 01 2013 10:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats you are really bad. Like really really bad. Now i know why people want to policy lynch you, you fail to understand simple things and it's pain in the ass to argue with you. You are voting me because "i know" marv is town. I call people i think are town town and unless something new information comes up treat them as town. That does not make me scum and you should know it. I use reactions to my posts in forming reads on other people and i have explained why i have said what i have said. If you are unable to see that i'm done talking with you because you won't understand anything any way, so it's a waste of time.

I tend to think that you cant argue yourself out of the situation you put yourself in.
Look at the difference between carnival miller claim reaction and this one. Calling me bad wont make it go away. The carnival one was a SIMILAR to this one and your reaction was TOTALLY different. There is no skepticism at all in this game. There was some in that game. Therefore you scumslipped and you should die.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 01 2013 01:22 GMT
#426
Also, why are you so mad?
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 01 2013 01:28 GMT
#427
BECAUSE THE FUCKING CARNIVAL MILLER CLAIM SITUATION DIFFERS 100% FROM THIS GAME! I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY!!!!

I'm mad because you are so ridiculously dumb. I'm kinda sad i do think you are town because i could find 101010010 reasons to "why you are scum" if i was mafia but they do not actually make you scum and i don't want to lynch townies, even policy lynch.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 01 2013 01:32 GMT
#428
On July 01 2013 10:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BECAUSE THE FUCKING CARNIVAL MILLER CLAIM SITUATION DIFFERS 100% FROM THIS GAME! I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY!!!!

I'm mad because you are so ridiculously dumb. I'm kinda sad i do think you are town because i could find 101010010 reasons to "why you are scum" if i was mafia but they do not actually make you scum and i don't want to lynch townies, even policy lynch.

No you wouldnt lynch me as mafia cause thread sentiment is for me being totally town.

Miller claim situation was similar.
Similar is not the same.
Therefore your reaction wouldve been similar if you were town this game. But there was no skepticism about that claim AT ALL. AT ALL.
Ok explain why you didnt question that claim in the slightest?
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
July 01 2013 01:34 GMT
#429
I'm kinda done here.

##Unvote:
##Vote: JarJarDrinks


Lynch me if you want to, when i flip lynch JarJar and when he flips red lynch Vivax.
Look closely into WoS and Fuba.

I may post something tomorrow if my schedule is not too tight. I was planning on doing some scumhunting today but Oats/Vivax effectively shut me down, and i don't know how much i can be online tomorrow.

Sad thing is that Oats is town. Stutters is probably town aswell. I think marv is still town. I think Lazer is probably town, as i think Vivax is scum. It could be the other way around though. I think solstice is town. I have no idea about Vayne, but PoE says town. Oh and gumshoe is definitely town.
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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 01 2013 01:37 GMT
#430
On June 30 2013 19:42 Lazermonkey wrote:
SUP.

Didn't know there was a voting thread -.- I guess you learn something new everyday!

Is Vayne a lynch bait or something? Makes a post about why I am scummy for several bad reasons. Then what? nothing... He makes 4 addiotional posts but doesn't follow up at all. Thhese posts are just general BS about why we shouldn't policy lynch him and that gumshoe is town because
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On June 30 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Btw I find gumshoe to be town due to him looking at people in terms of losses and weighing our options instead of just jumping on something. He looks to be like some one who is turning the cogs but is unsure of himself. There's my reasoning now

Pretty suspicious of him calling me out for not wanting to scum hunt, yet he doesn't follow up his own suspicions a singel bit. Why doesn't he try to convince others that I am suspicious rather than defend himself when he is in no danger of dying?


hey guys im back after my 7 hour car ride turned into a 14 hour one with traffic.

lazer could you elaborate on why you wanted me to follow up on my observations before giving you a chance to respond?

As for your 2nd point, me and WoS have played multiple games at this point, just a little pointless back and forth since I couldn't do much with the ipad. I would just cut that from my filter.

You'll find that no one really listens to me anyway so I wouldn't worry, but I wouldn't consider myself "lynchbait" as I have never been lynched on this website yet so I do not see where they are getting that from.
I come in for the scraps
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 01 2013 01:39 GMT
#431
Lol rayn blaming us for attacking him. Classic whiny scum behavior.
No gg, No skill.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 01 2013 01:41 GMT
#432
On June 30 2013 20:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On June 30 2013 20:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
I do find Vayne's play scummy, that's why I asked. And no, I don't mean a policy type of lynch. I mean a you-are-likely-scum type of lynch. What is your take on his post about me that he ends up doing nothing with, and instead tries to defend himself from attacks that aren't really attacks?

Also, I don't understand why me trying to recognize him as a lynch bait makes me look suspcious in your eyes. If he is a lynch bait, everyone will know that sooner or later. Thing is, scum can just ignore the fact he is a lynch bait and just push him because he looks scummy. Applying your logic in the case of a Vayne lynch, I would bad because I questioned if he was a lynch bait whereas scum looks better because they didn't.


The first two sentences in your second paragraph are contradictory. The rest of it is WIFOM.
My point was that whether he is lynchbait or not, I won't be using that to determine whether or not he is worthy of being lynched and I don't feel that attempting to determine as such one way or the other is a particularly towny thing to do.

Now as far as his post:
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On June 30 2013 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
Something rubs me the wrong way about lazermonkeys posting

Starts off the thread not even wanting to scum hunt.

Throws down a troll vote early, see jaybrundage in roulette for how something innocent just pads your filter with bs.

Eager to jump on the stutters be before he has even defended himself

His 6th post is just insanely scummy read it and tell me otherwise

Rest of his filter is useless speculation

He gets my vote until I can talk with him more and get a better read

Can't vote right now as its much too precise to bold shit on an iPad but will contribute more when I'm home tomorrow night

This is completely antithetic to what Vayne's play has consisted of so far on TL. I can't make heads or tails from it because this is more character/post analysis than he normally does D1 and as well he promises to contribute more. If you want to treat this simply as is, ignore his meta and say it's scummy because of no followup then that's your prerogative but I'd like to see more from him before making a call. If I were to ignore his meta and look strictly at this post I probably wouldn't like it either, especially the '6th post' comment which I'd like him to expand upon eventually.

For what it's worth, the towniest he has ever played thus far in my opinion was his scum game.



This is what I meant by his 6th post, didn't count the pre-game

On June 30 2013 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
Regarding the the possibilties of there being two millers in the setup.

First off, I'm going to make the assumption that there are only three scum in this game. Secondly, looking at the roles in possible for scum you can see that the only one power role in our beloved friend Adolf "the roleblocker." Hitler. Now, assuming there is only 1 Hitler (which I don't think is a very bold assumption) the most powerfull scum team is in theory goon x2 + GF, a relativly weak team. Having two millers vs this team, even without additional blue roles, honestly seems kinda OP as you would either get into a postion with 2 modconfirmed townies D1 or a group of 3 people where you know for sure that one is scum. So, once again assuming (-.-)that the game is fairly balanced I don't think there are two millers.

And the conclusion you should draw from this is that Marvs claim probably means he is town.


it's quite a loaded post.

As for trying to meta me, dont bother You know it's bad play.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 01 2013 01:45 GMT
#433
On July 01 2013 03:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats, i made a same mistake you are doing here tunneling me. I looked Stutters' post only from scum perspective and i have now second thoughts about it because of what you said.

I think WoS is scum for what i have said. After that he has only posted some wishyt-washy things about me and Vayne. He says "Oats might be right" but then again "rayn gets a slight town read from what he did". He is avoiding to take sides in the argument. Look at his posts about Vayne; Big walls of text that basically says "i don't know what to make out of it". He does not want to vote for Stutters because "the wagon formed so quickly it bothers him" when there is no wagon but then he actually votes for Stutters??? Also the post is more like "i'll park my vote here" rather than "i think Stutters is mafia". Like: "Until the rest of the thread shows up or something scummier happens, (or maybe if Stutters explains himself a little/talks some more?)". wtf is this? After his vote he does never question Stutters or try to push the lynch, he is just chatting with Oats without making up his mind about anything in the game. He is not trying find mafia rather than just blending in.

I'll look into other people more tonight. I think marv, Vivax and Oats are town, Stutters' posting style and explanations feel genuine and i'm slightly leaning town on him.

I gotta relook into Lazer, i can't understand Vayne, he'd be a good cop target after copping marv. Nobody else i remember nothing about at this point.


Same to you, as shown in roulette I can't really understand you but I have a townread on you and vivax so I think you guys are barking up the wrong trees. Oats null as usual. My suspects right now would probably be lazer and JJD but lazer wants to lynch JJD so I am re-assessing that as a bus or the fact that only one of them is scum. Lazer is slightly convincing me that he is town so might want to flip JJD first. I have experience with him as scum and this is fairly similar to his play there.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 01 2013 01:47 GMT
#434
On July 01 2013 07:00 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh wow. I wake up and there's over 100 more posts. Apologies in advance for the giant post. A lot has happened. Some stream of consciousness thoughts as I catch up:

Vayne entering the thread with thread analysis on D1 was as surprising for me as it appears it was for WoS XD I don't see the scumminess from Lazer's 6th post (Is it this one? "Marv, which game were you fake claiming miller?"), so could you explain it Vayne?

Oats's vote on rayn was interesting, because I didn't think of rayn's actions from that persepective. The thing is, though, rayn had thought the situation through. The way oats presents it is as though rayn simply saw marv claim miller, and accepted it as true. Then went on to buddy him. This is clearly not what happened.

s0Lstice's first post was interesting (I'm gonna end up saying "interesting" a lot. Too tired at the moment to not be repetitive). First of all, I don't see how that progression indicates Stutters as scum. I found him most suspicious for the aggression so early, not that his reasoning was flawed regarding scum and millers. It's also pretty weird that s0L says Lazer is suspicious for spending so much time thinking about the miller claim when he just gave a town read to rayn, who has apparently spent just as much time doing so. s0L did mention Vivax, who I failed to comment on earlier. The passive shit flinging is something I'd missed, but it seems legit. Why even mention marv being less active so far when he mentioned little more than an hour before that he was going to be pretty inactive for a while? The self-conscious bit I pretty much ignored, since I'm that way every time I post, but I'm keeping the first point in mind.

Vivax's first post after returning actually had a really good point in it. Not that what marv did was scummy, but that the miller claim definitely can't be taken as a town tell now. Rayn followed that post with this: "No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first." I'm starting to see what oats was getting at, now. Rayn seems incapable of believing marv is scum, even though it's been shown that the claim is unreliable. Like, in that quote, while admitting the possibility of a fakeclaim, he refuses to believe it could be marv lying.

Lazermonkey: My experience with Vayne is that I can't read him for shit. Well, I mean, I guess I kind of could early on in Roulette, when I found he had "scum potential, but was not necessarily scummy". I'd definitely trust WoS's analysis of Vayne's scum play, especially if Vayne doesn't contest it himself (unless they're both scum... so take that with a grain of salt).

Vivax: "I'm really curious to see which name marv will claim." Why will that actually matter at this point?

Caught up~~

Man, you guys post a lot.

So, current thoughts. Oats is acting almost exactly like he was as town in Roulette. The difference is his approach to pushing his lynch, which seems more persuasive, as opposed to commanding. I think he mentioned at the end of Roulette that he was going to work on that, and his play this game is consistent with that. He's probably my strongest townread at the moment.

Vayne hasn't actually said all that much. I appreciated his first post, then he kind of disappeared. Not much to say. Would still like to know what's so scummy about that Lazer post.

Stutters: Not entirely sure what to think. His explanation for the aggression is pretty much a null tell. He does seem to be posting more than I remember, but the content is mostly defending himself. He also says we should discuss other players, but doesn't suggest any himself. Still very "vayne from roulette"-y for me.

Vivax: I like what he's said about rayn, wasn't impressed by marv's supposed scumminess for not posting his full role PM. That assumes that town marv would have naturally posted his role PM when claiming miller, something that I don't think is a natural inclination. The fact that he went into Carnival Cruise and found evidence of rayn's previous reactions to miller claims gives him some townie points. Overall, slight town, though he's apparently thinking about marv a lot, which I find strange given that marv hasn't really been here at all.

marv: Come back to us, dear. ^^

rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town.

##Vote: raynpelikoneet

Everyone else is gonna need a filter dive, and I'm going to have to reread the posts I read while writing this, but I feel comfortable with my vote where it is.


I would not trust WoS' assessment of me, he thinks I am scum every game when the only time I was scum was on a team with him. He is terrible at reading me.

Who is your top scum read right now
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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 01 2013 01:51 GMT
#435
On July 01 2013 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
GUMSHOE.

The point with Rayn is that only mafia know the alignments, therefore their behavior reflects that. Rayn Knows that Marv is town, look at his posting. How does he know? Cause hes scum.
also

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It's already been established that theyre's pretty much a 60 percent risk factor in him being called out, yet that hasn't happened (though everyones still waiting on you to reveal your pm Marv T_T) which means Marv is already more likely town than the rest of us (who are 50/50) though not town for sure of course. But whats so scummy instead of neutral about backing those odds albiet aggressively?

Um odds for us being town are 9/12. I dont know, this whole sentence doesnt make sense. Who cares about the odds of marv being scum or town? Whuttt....


What I mean is Rayne is totally certain that Marv(for whatever reasons which i will not get into) is town in the same way your certain that he (Rayne) is scum, which is to say pretty sure but not absolutely. Rayne doesn't claim Marv is town and then go like, oh yeah but he could be scum sure. Just like you dont go oh yeah it's possible Rayne isn't scum though he really probably is.

Just because you dont include uncertainty because it would weaken your overall stance, doesn't mean you somehow know for a fact whatever it is your saying. For instance does your supposed knowing Rayne is scum make you a magical third party that knows the who scum is? No, it doesn't. All I'm saying is we throw around alota absolutes, that doesn't mean we have definitive knowledge, we just dont see the need to dilute our position.

Also a question, how do you feel about Vivak admitting JJD is scummy in multiple regards and then pretty much just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 01 2013 01:58 GMT
#436
I think Vivax is weakwilled and shit.
JJD will not flip scum.

I think that Rayn could be town, i mention it somewhere. Rayn KNOWS FOR A FACT THAT MARV IS TOWN.
Whatever, if you dont believe that that is scummy, I cant convince you.
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 01 2013 02:02 GMT
#437
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).

I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 01 2013 02:03 GMT
#438
On July 01 2013 10:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that Rayn could be town
Ugh, I really didn't see this before I post. I'm sure I'll be accused of sheeping you some more.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 01 2013 02:10 GMT
#439
I currently think that rayn is scum.
No gg, No skill.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 01 2013 02:14 GMT
#440
On July 01 2013 10:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol rayn blaming us for attacking him. Classic whiny scum behavior.


Seriously you guys are fucking pedantic.



woop null vs scum.

NICE JOB GUMSHOE


im outta here, too much. too much.


Sorry, whose whiny?

Also how do you feel about Mfuba's only significant post being a wall of text in which he talks about how little hes been active, sheeps you and your opinion ( just like Jar Jar) recycles previous analysis and provides null reads on anyone who hasn't hopped on the Rayne train. Seriously man look at the people on your team, can you honestly say none of them are scummy?

Also what is this shiit?

JJD will not flip scum.


You dont know for a fact JJD wont flip scum, at least you shouldn't, : P yet you dont bother saying, it's unlikely JRR will flip red, because that weakens your argument. This is you proving my point for me right here. And if your willing to consider Rayne town at all cant you be willing to accept that he may just share your stubbornness/conviction?
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