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Reads and thoughts:
Lazermonkey:
Thread enterance points towards being town. Careless comment about policy lynching. I don't think he would do that as mafia. I also do not think he would hardcore defend me if he was scum, as apparently this Vivax' wagon is easy to join with just saying "i agree". It doesn't even make sense if JarJar is somehow town, because if you can choose between lynching town!rayn and town!JarJar i would not think twice, even if based purely on activity.
Stutters:
Gets town points from what Oats pointed out. Gets town points from trying to get the discussion moving also to other things than me. I like his vote on Fuba because i think Fuba is scum.
Vivax:
Vivax is only looking my post in the point of view "how does this make rayn scum". You are forgetting something, you are not even taking account the possibility that i would think like this as town. There are many examples where i have given town reads based on very little and based on that those people think like me and would act like me. I don't like the fact that he is failing to contribute to almost everything other than me, especially JarJar and WoS. I have explained everything you have in your case, if you don't believe that as a genuine explanation, fine, vote for me. But remember this; If i get lynched and you are actually town you are in deep shit because as a strong player you are going to die on N1 and you seem have no base to any other solid read that you think you have on me now. So if you are town better start doing some real scumhunting.
VayneAuthority:
Basically due to process of elimination.
gumshoe:
Definitely town. Has the best posts in thread atm.
Oatsmaster:
If Oats was scum he would also be in deep shit in case i flip, i don't think he would even think he could handle it as the tunnel is so absurd and stupid. Sad, but this has to be bad!town!Oats
marvellosity:
I'm having second thoughts about marv as he has not yet posted. Will have a better read on him when he gets back. And his posts better be good then!
mkfuba07:
Says "WoS will show if he is town when he starts playing". In his next post he comments on some random people (for what?), and does not comment on WoS/JarJar in any way (hey, you were supposed to be good in reading WoS??). Then drops his vote on me without adding anything to the case, only that "it would be much easier to fakeclaim miller here" which is certainly not true. scum. Why did you not comment on JarJar/WoS in any way in your big post? You must have a read on both of them, let us hear it.
WaveofShadow:
Useless. Even says he will be useless. Why not say something useful instead? Continues being useless, like having voted Stutters and what's the follow up? He does not try to find out his scumbuddies, he doesn't question him in any way. Actually, he does not question anyone in any way. If JarJar is somehow town WoS is sure scum by trying to avoid attention after called out. Who is scum WoS and why? What are your thoughts on Vivax/JarJar/Fuba?
s0Lstice:
Starts the game with good questions on things i thought was odd myself too. His posts are well thought out and i can follow his thought process.
JarJarDrinks:
Calls out Solstice for scumhunting. Good job, that's his top scumread at that time. Doesn't follow up this suspicion in any way, and is now voting for Gumshoe as an OMGUS. Hey JarJar, why did you noot look at my situation at the same light you are looking at this one "you think this is the only way to look at it?" as you said you think i am town. Why not tell Vivax and Oats that they are wrong? Why are they not suspicious but gumshoe is for doing the same thing? His answers to Vivax' questions look really really forced. Also what's your read on WoS/Fuba now and why?
Now i know i have too much scumreads. Everyone fits in as scum with everyone in those people (i count out marv atm), i don't want to lynch Vivax because he does not look the worst and there is a slight possibility that he is town. We also do not work well together at least on D1.
I keep my vote on JarJar, but i challenge all of you to question WoS/JarJar/fuba, i'm pretty confident there is at least 2 scum in them.
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Says "WoS will show if he is town when he starts playing".
I will go into more detail about your post and your reads over time, but for a start I'd like you to tell me how this is supposed to be an argument that makes fuba scum.
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Ehh.. the next sentences?
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To be more clear: What Fuba says clearly means he thinks he is capable of reading WoS. However, after that comment Fuba does not address WoS in any way in any post of his. WoS is one of the people who are/were under suspicion, yet Fuba does nothing to form a read on him, nor does he tell why he thinks WoS is town/mafia.
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Says "WoS will show if he is town when he starts playing". In his next post he comments on some random people (for what?), and does not comment on WoS/JarJar in any way (hey, you were supposed to be good in reading WoS??).
Fuba is scum in your opinion cause he doesn't talk about those you think should be talked about? In his first post you mentioned all WoS posted was french stuff. He could not possibly have offered a good read at early stage, no?
Then drops his vote on me without adding anything to the case, only that "it would be much easier to fakeclaim miller here" which is certainly not true. scum. Why did you not comment on JarJar/WoS in any way in your big post? You must have a read on both of them, let us hear it.
Dunno man, it looks to me like he explains it pretty well:
rayn: After Vivax's marv post, I expected rayn to be less insistent on him being confirmed town. It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective. Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value, and I'm pretty convinced. He's far too eager to accept the claim as truth, when it should now have little effect on the mind of a townie. My only reluctance to vote for him is his activity level, which I tend to associate with town.
That he thinks you're scum for the same reason I do doesn't make him scum either.
Overall you argue that fuba is scum just cause he doesn't do what you want I think.
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In his first post you mentioned (where he said he waited for WoS to post more), all WoS posted at the time was french stuff
This is less equivocal
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Well I guess people aren't into Fuba as much as I am and I'm not getting mislynched because we're not consolidating, back to JJD I guess and I'll look into Fuba tomorrow.
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Hey stutters, what happened to your good townplay of Roulette?
Do you think marv is town?
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On July 01 2013 17:03 Vivax wrote:
This question is kinda old now but you left it unanswered.
You didn't comment on the Rayn/Lazer/Me matter at all.
New question: What happened to your s0lstice scumread? Well, I did mention that I'm now leaning town on rayne based on his recent postings. I do happen to disagree w/ almost all of his reads though. Lazer I'm not sure of. I don't think that there'd be more than 1 scum piling on me and I have a strong scumread on gumshoe. I think you're town. I think you've made decent cases that have actual substance.
I still have a scumread on solstice. Just not as strong as gumshoe. Solstice hasn't really posted too much since I accused him.
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Vivax read his comeback post, that's a pretty good chance for a d1 lynch.
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On July 01 2013 22:19 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 17:03 Vivax wrote:
This question is kinda old now but you left it unanswered.
You didn't comment on the Rayn/Lazer/Me matter at all.
New question: What happened to your s0lstice scumread? Well, I did mention that I'm now leaning town on rayne based on his recent postings. I do happen to disagree w/ almost all of his reads though. Lazer I'm not sure of. I don't think that there'd be more than 1 scum piling on me and I have a strong scumread on gumshoe. I think you're town. I think you've made decent cases that have actual substance. I still have a scumread on solstice. Just not as strong as gumshoe. Solstice hasn't really posted too much since I accused him.
What do you want to convey by saying that s0lstice hasn't posted much?
Is it related to your read of him?
Why not sure of Lazer, what makes you doubt he could be town?
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Comment on the reads JarJar. What's wrong and why.
Vivax, would you, as town not comment anything on present suspects at that time, when you have earlier implied you can read them well? Also would you not try to read people you can read well at the start of the game and why? Also i don't have a problem with Fuba agreeing with your case, because that sort of a mistake can be easily done as town. The thing is that he is trying to tell the things you have already said with his own words (i see that as trying to look genuine, when actually not having anything to add, and afraid of sheeping) and the only thing he adds to the case is plain out wrong.
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Also vivax, if you think I'm scum for trying to distance myself from him, why would I defend him so much when I saw something Ithought you were misinterpreting? Seems like a weak ass reason to switch from your main read.
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On July 01 2013 22:29 Stutters695 wrote:
Also vivax, if you think I'm scum for trying to distance myself from him, why would I defend him so much when I saw something Ithought you were misinterpreting? Seems like a weak ass reason to switch from your main read.
The supposed distancing thing was your early strange question, coupled with him calling you scum, with both of you pretty much ignoring each other afterwards.
Speaking of weak ass reasons, can you point me to a post of yours where you actually mention a single reason for thinking fuba and JJ are scum? You said you would dive them at various points, but I never saw you emerging.
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Stop with the stupid connection cases before red flips. There is no base in Vivax Stutters read because it's based on me and him being scum which can't possibly be true.
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On July 01 2013 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe:
Definitely town. Has the best posts in thread atm. Please explain to me what you like about his posts. Is it just because I'm a scumread of yours? Assume that you know I'm gonna flip green and go back reread his filter and tell me everything I said about him isn't accurate. Look @ how he just jumps on me for flip-flopping simply because I said that you convinced me that you were now town.
JarJarDrinks:
Calls out Solstice for scumhunting. Good job, that's his top scumread at that time. Doesn't follow up this suspicion in any way I called Solstice out because I thought his scumhunting was bad and contrived. I made my case. What else should I have done to follow up on it?
and is now voting for Gumshoe as an OMGUS. Hey JarJar How can you say it's just an OMGUS. Yes, the fact that he's voting for me is part of my case. I don't think that all 3 votes on me were townies. But did you read everything I wrote? The stuff about him jumping on stutters for leaving the thread? Implying that a scumbuddy alerted me to go post in the thread? These are scummy things to point out because they can't be argued against. Does anyone care to here what I was doing during the day yesterday when I was inactive?
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On July 01 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Comment on the reads JarJar. What's wrong and why.
Vivax, would you, as town not comment anything on present suspects at that time, when you have earlier implied you can read them well? Also would you not try to read people you can read well at the start of the game and why? Also i don't have a problem with Fuba agreeing with your case, because that sort of a mistake can be easily done as town. The thing is that he is trying to tell the things you have already said with his own words (i see that as trying to look genuine, when actually not having anything to add, and afraid of sheeping) and the only thing he adds to the case is plain out wrong.
But he did comment on present suspects, just not the suspects you wanted him to comment on.
Maybe he didn't talk about WoS cause he didn't find him interesting. I don't know, but not talking about someone doesn't necessarily make you scum, simply ask him for an opinion maybe.
Regarding the trying to look genuine, where do you draw the line between him doing that as scum, and sheeping my case along with mentioning the points he agrees with as town?
Would you think it'd have been more genuine if he went all like "Ok I sheep Vivax for no particular reason, I just agree with him".
Do you think he has to add something new if the reasons posted are already good?
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On July 01 2013 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Stop with the stupid connection cases before red flips. There is no base in Vivax Stutters read because it's based on me and him being scum which can't possibly be true.
It's stutters bringing that up, not me bro. If you ask me questions about connection arguments don't start whining if I explain what I think of it.
I just see you being scum together, stutters is scummy for the reasons s0lstice mentioned.
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JarJar:
Because you are flip-flopping. You said you disagree with nearly every read of mine. Why do you think WoS is town? Why is Vivax not suspicious for doing the same thing with me that you say gumshoe is doing with you (looking things from only one perspective)? Why is Oats not suspicious for that, or is he? You are giving us nothing, and no, someone questioning things they find scummy is definitely not scummy. Point out why Solstice's questions were bad, and you have a case. You are just saying his questions were bad, nothing more. I think his questions were accurate at that point of the game. You just laid out your "case" and did nothing to follow that up, you were not trying to convince people to vote for him, you were not trying to find out who is he most likely to be aligned with. You did absolutely nothing but just drop a case based on the fact that Solstice was asking questions from people..
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On July 01 2013 22:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Comment on the reads JarJar. What's wrong and why.
Vivax, would you, as town not comment anything on present suspects at that time, when you have earlier implied you can read them well? Also would you not try to read people you can read well at the start of the game and why? Also i don't have a problem with Fuba agreeing with your case, because that sort of a mistake can be easily done as town. The thing is that he is trying to tell the things you have already said with his own words (i see that as trying to look genuine, when actually not having anything to add, and afraid of sheeping) and the only thing he adds to the case is plain out wrong. But he did comment on present suspects, just not the suspects you wanted him to comment on. Maybe he didn't talk about WoS cause he didn't find him interesting. I don't know, but not talking about someone doesn't necessarily make you scum, simply ask him for an opinion maybe.
Yes he commented on me. Look at other people and how they interact. They weigh the possibilities of the suspects being scum, and vote for the one they think is more likely to be scum, or present the case of their own. Also you didn't answer my question.
Regarding the trying to look genuine, where do you draw the line between him doing that as scum, and sheeping my case along with mentioning the points he agrees with as town?
Would you think it'd have been more genuine if he went all like "Ok I sheep Vivax for no particular reason, I just agree with him".
If he had said "Vivax' case on rayn is good. I don't think JarJar is as scummy as rayn because of X" that would have been okay.
Do you think he has to add something new if the reasons posted are already good?
No i do not. The thing is he is trying to add something without actually adding anything but false information.
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