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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 01 2013 14:47 GMT
#501
Might as well post my role now. I'm Pfc. Michael Zimmermann

[image loading]

Not sure if that helps me but hopefully the fact that there wont be a counterclaim and that fact that mafia would probably pick a blue role to try and draw out a PR makes my case better.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2013 14:50 GMT
#502
I wanna lynch WoS unless counter-claim.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2013 14:51 GMT
#503
Or Fuba, whoever of those talks less shit before PC.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
July 01 2013 14:52 GMT
#504

WaveofShadow:
Useless. Even says he will be useless. Why not say something useful instead? Continues being useless, like having voted Stutters and what's the follow up? He does not try to find out his scumbuddies, he doesn't question him in any way. Actually, he does not question anyone in any way. If JarJar is somehow town WoS is sure scum by trying to avoid attention after called out. Who is scum WoS and why? What are your thoughts on Vivax/JarJar/Fuba?


Sick case. Lynching people for being useless after having claimed to be busy.

I have a better idea, we lynch you.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2013 14:53 GMT
#505
On July 01 2013 23:52 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +

WaveofShadow:
Useless. Even says he will be useless. Why not say something useful instead? Continues being useless, like having voted Stutters and what's the follow up? He does not try to find out his scumbuddies, he doesn't question him in any way. Actually, he does not question anyone in any way. If JarJar is somehow town WoS is sure scum by trying to avoid attention after called out. Who is scum WoS and why? What are your thoughts on Vivax/JarJar/Fuba?


Sick case. Lynching people for being useless after having claimed to be busy.

I have a better idea, we lynch you.

No you are not, you are way scummy than i am. You are lying.
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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 01 2013 14:57 GMT
#506
On July 01 2013 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JJD: But why was it a reason for him to be mafia?

Pretend that you know I'm a townie. You don't think it's scummy to try and imply that the reason I wasn't posting in the thread and just showed up was because a scumbuddy gave me a heads up? Like I already asked (and no one answered): What is the actual implication? That I was only following the scum thread and not the actual game thread? Why would I need a heads up to know that I had heat on me?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
July 01 2013 14:57 GMT
#507
There are 11 townie names.

Since people argue there can't be two millers, we take away one name.
I would also tentatively remove a blue role.

That leaves 9 townies with 9 different names, assuming no Landa or people with same names.
A mass claim could be pretty strong under these assumptions.

If scum got fake PM's, then they will have the same name as some other townie.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
July 01 2013 14:59 GMT
#508
I bet Rayn would wet his pants if he had to claim his name.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2013 15:02 GMT
#509
Don't worry JJD, i don't think you are scum unless there is a counter-claim. But what gumshoe said actually made sense.

Wanna kill WoS or Fuba, or who do you prefer?
I don't think your case on Solstice is good, all he did was ask about scummy behaviour in thread. Do you think Solstice would defend me when the lynch is between me/you? What would he gain as scum from it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2013 15:04 GMT
#510
On July 01 2013 23:59 Vivax wrote:
I bet Rayn would wet his pants if he had to claim his name.

Not really, would you?

Actually i'm in for mass-claim. :D
Let's see which side gets the best of it. I can claim first if Fuba - WoS - you are the next.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
July 01 2013 15:06 GMT
#511
Which side gets the best of it?
Do you expect to get counterclaimed?

I'd leave such a plan for later cause we have to protect the blues. It would actually be pretty stupid to do it while they are alive. But it's a worthy strategy for after their death.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2013 15:07 GMT
#512
Blues do not mean shit. It's all about scumhunting.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2013 15:10 GMT
#513
##Unvote:
Vote: WaveofShadow


Time to start posting something.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
July 01 2013 15:20 GMT
#514
I'll have to agree with you on one thing Rayn.
WoS seems to completely lack suspicion in his filter, being laid back and uninvolved is usually a scum trait.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
July 01 2013 15:23 GMT
#515
Specifically, I don't like this post about Vayne, it feels like he talks a lot about something which is completely irrelevant to finding scum. Arguing about the definition of lynch baits and Vayne's meta was not something really relevant at the stage where he wrote that:

On June 30 2013 20:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2013 19:54 Lazermonkey wrote:
On June 30 2013 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously everyone. Think about it yourself:
Would you claim miller 5 minutes into the game as mafia? What would you gain by doing so?

If someone gives me a reasonable answer to this question i promise to reconsider my read on marv.
Don't make it sound like Marv had to think everything through in just 5 minutes because that's just not true. It's not like its impossible to plan that if you roll mafia in a game, you want to fake claim miller. What do I know, maybe he even requested mafia?

I'm not sure how relevant that is. (Does anyone know if iGrok is the type of host to give requests rather than RNG?)

As for Vayne, there's not a great deal to say. Played here in one of the first games on the site, disappears and plays on Mafiascum for a while (I think?). Comes back, does decently in newbie games, then causes a whole bunch of shit when playing with the big boys because his playstyle doesn't fit with how we play on TL. He often talks big about how he doesn't do much analysis on the first day but then gets criticized when his play doesn't pick up on subsequent days. Is lynchbait in a lot of his town games and some of his play is questionable. His sole game as mafia was with me and he did really well.

Trying to recognize someone as lynchbait worries me a little, Lazer. It becomes one of those WIFOM things where we don't know:
a) Are you targeting him because he is lynchbait and you get a pass on that if he flips green?
b) Are you targeting him because he looks scummy to you?

This was an issue with jaybrundage in Roulette mini. His play on the lynchbait thing was different in that he self-acknowledged as lynchbait at the start of the game (which I found scummy) and said anyone who goes after him as such was scummy. Turned out he was scum, but me and mostly everyone else ended up not doing much suspecting of him throughout the game because despite saying he was lynchbait, he didn't act as such. That honestly should have set off alarms for me and everyone else much earlier.

This may seem off-topic but in conclusion my stance on it is lynchbait or not, if he's not actively disruptive to town play, and not acting/playing scummy, then I have no reason to lynch him currently. I had talked in an earlier obs QT about the idea of policy lynching because Vayne ends up lynchbait a lot and doesn't play when asked a lot, but that doesn't seem to be the case this game as I mentioned to him, plus I don't think I have the pull/balls to carry off a straight policy lynch.

JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 01 2013 15:25 GMT
#516
I vote yes to mass claim. We will definately get counterclaims, meaning we choose a pair and @ worst get a 50/50 shot.

It also means that scum can't shoot into anyone that they claim giving the PRs a bit more power @ night.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
July 01 2013 15:27 GMT
#517
On July 02 2013 00:25 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I vote yes to mass claim. We will definately get counterclaims, meaning we choose a pair and @ worst get a 50/50 shot.

It also means that scum can't shoot into anyone that they claim giving the PRs a bit more power @ night.


You think it's no problem if we out cop/veteran/vigilante or whatever?
I think it is.

Cop will get roleblocked or shot.
Veteran will get roleblocked and shot.
Vigilante becomes foreseeable.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22183 Posts
July 01 2013 15:31 GMT
#518
If the host guarantees that there is only one instance of each name though then it's worth the risk.

But most certainly he won't comment on something that is potentially gamebreaking.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 01 2013 15:33 GMT
#519
Say we lynch the wrong person. If we have a Vig, he takes a shot @ night. They can't roleblock if we also have a Parity Cop because the cop gets guaranteed scum by checking against marv.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 01 2013 15:35 GMT
#520
On July 02 2013 00:31 Vivax wrote:
If the host guarantees that there is only one instance of each name though then it's worth the risk.

But most certainly he won't comment on something that is potentially gamebreaking.
It's specific character names. I doubt there could be 2 of them or the role PMs would just say American Townie.
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