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Look at other people and how they interact. They weigh the possibilities of the suspects being scum, and vote for the one they think is more likely to be scum, or present the case of their own.
Even fucking Oats does so.
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What's the false information?
If you allude to the "comment on people you can read-question", I did answer it by telling you to ask fuba to deliver a read on WoS.
Put yourself into fuba's shoes, you say you can read a dude well. You don't talk about him cause you prefer delivering reads on other people.
How is that related to alignment? Cause maybe he doesn't think WoS is worth commenting on (town)? Cause WoS is his scumbuddy and scum never talks of scumbuddies (scum)?
You talk of connection cases being retarded when this part of your case is CONNECTION BASED, would you believe it? Fuba is scum cause he doesn't comment on someone you think is scum.
Is he inconsistent? Well, so are you:
On July 01 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 06:47 Vivax wrote:On July 01 2013 06:41 Stutters695 wrote:
The part about no role name being claimed is null imo. I could easily argue the merits of town withholding that info until a second Miller claims. The damming part is how sure he was Marv was town, but that can easily be explained away by his thinking 5 minutes in is too early for scum to claim. I'm having a hard time justifying it when the rest of his play has been pretty town. Like your case had me pretty convinced earlier but the more I see from him the less I feel comfortable with it. Yeah, 12 minutes of difference between the two games is a pretty big reason. Rayn having completely different opinions on miller claims in two different games with similar setups is totally not scummy. Why can't any of you understand that as the millers have role-names, it's too fucking risky to claim miller as mafia??!?!?!?!?
If there was another miller claim, who is to say marv gets to say his role name last? Me? Certainly not. If someone had cc'd him i would totally have him claim his role name first, because marv has balls to do something like this. Not counting the fact that it's incredibly stupid, and no other miller claims proves even more that i am right in what i have said.
On June 30 2013 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first.
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On July 01 2013 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
JarJar:
Because you are flip-flopping. So? It's day 1 and my read changed. It happens.
Why do you think WoS is town? I guess I haven't thought much about WoS so I'm null atm. I'll go back and dive and get back to you.
Why is Vivax not suspicious for doing the same thing with me that you say gumshoe is doing with you (looking things from only one perspective)? OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place.
The whole looking @ things from one perspective doesn't even compare. Look @ what I'm talking about in regards to gumshoe:On July 01 2013 12:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote:Lastly, isn't it funny how Jar Jar's been gone all day then jumps in once the heat builds? Hes either actively not contributing or someone gave him a heads up  . I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post? You really think that's similiar to what vivax is doing?
Point out why Solstice's questions were bad, and you have a case. I did: + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2013 05:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 14:13 s0Lstice wrote:On June 30 2013 14:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:My top scum suspect right now is s0Lstice. His entire first post + Show Spoiler +On June 30 2013 13:00 s0Lstice wrote:my inbox is evergreen lots of scummy shit happening right now, so let's get to work. this is the scummiest post in the thread so far: Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:00 Stutters695 wrote:On June 30 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no way there are 2 millers in the game so cut talking about that as a possibility already. Know something we don't? The op lists two possible millers as roles. Look at the thought process here. Rayn seems sure there are not 2 millers in the game-->Rayn knows how many millers are in the game-->Rayn is scum. For this jump to be made, Stutters would have to think scum know how many millers are in the game to get a scummy vibe from Rayn. This makes zero sense. Can't wait to hear your answer on this one my dear stutters. Early town read on Rayn for diving on this. His reaction exactly matched mine. I don't agree at all with your town read on Lazer though, Rayn. Look at how much time he has spent on Marv's miller claim. You know how to deal with a miller claim? You ignore it. All it means is don't DT check the person and that's it. Figure out their alignment just like you would anybody else. The fact that he goes on and on about it looks to me not like he is trying to get at Marv's alignment, but rather he is feeling comfortable talking about a very safe topic in preference to anything of consequence. When he made this quote: Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 09:33 Lazermonkey wrote:
But what do you want to talk about then?
While I agree talking about his claim isn't very productive untill more players have showed up, I'd rather talk about Marv than nothing. ...there was plenty to talk about. Doesn't sit right with me. More, his conclusion from the discussion should be the public assertion that Marv is not 100% confirmed town. He mentions this, but hesitates to draw a line between scummy or wrong for the people who are saying otherwise (Rayn). Smells fishy. Vivax- What are you doing here? Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:45 Vivax wrote:
Marv so silent.
Whassup marv.
That seems unusual. Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here, and said activity would be light in the early going? Explain yourself. Explain this too while you're at it: Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 07:59 Vivax wrote:
Well ok. I reviewed things a little.
We have 2 guys saying their activity will be shit on D1 (marv and the new guy)
Then we have WoS say:
I'm not really going to be around until late tonight, so no
(as reply to "Hey you got anything to say?")
So yeah, kinda asshole answer. But also kinda careless. I'd treat it as null, and it's not really comparable to the announcement that the whole of D1 will be of low activity.
I also realized I partially parroted Rayn's reasons for stutter's posts looking bad. Apologies I'm a little drunk coz of my weekend feast and wrote pretty spontaneously. Going to bed now tho. See you sober. Who gives a shit? Why are you so self-conscious? Anyway, little break now. More in just a bit. is attacking people for totally meaningless stuff. Look @ the way he announces that he's about to call a bunch of people out. Like "Look @ me guys, I'm totally not afraid to go after anyone". He's really reaching if he thinks anything he mentioned is very scummy. Yea, or I'm town and am attacking stuff that looks scummy. Let's hear your explanation on how I'm 'reaching.' Sure. I think the reach on stutters has been discussed enough so I'll wont spend too much more time on that. But I'll say that you called it the scummiest post in the thread and I don't see how it was even a little scummy. You go after Lazer simply because he he spent time talking about marvs miller claim. How is that at all scummy? That's what the main subject of the thread was. He wasn't the only one talking about it. You say that there was plenty of other stuff to talk about. But there really wasn't @ that point. The miller stuff was pretty much all that was discussed yet. You accuse Vivax of "Passively flinging shit on a guy who is probably not here". He was just noting that marv hadn't posted anything since his original claim post. None of these things you mentioned seemed very scummy to me.
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JJ:
OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place.
If you agree with me, why are gumshoe and s0lstice your scumreads but not Rayn/lazer/stutters?
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Also, you left questions unanswered (again)
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On July 01 2013 22:59 Vivax wrote:
What's the false information?
"It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective." - It is much harder to claim miller when we take account the role-names
" Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value" - I never did so. I said "scum won't fakeclaim miller unless dumb, marv is not dumb". I did not accep the existance of a miller at face value. When marv claimed miller i accepted that he is town at face value.
If you allude to the "comment on people you can read-question", I did answer it by telling you to ask fuba to deliver a read on WoS.
Why are you avoiding the question, it's a very simple one, here:
Vivax, would you, as town not comment anything on present suspects at that time, when you have earlier implied you can read them well? Also would you not try to read people you can read well at the start of the game and why?
Put yourself into fuba's shoes, you say you can read a dude well. You don't talk about him cause you prefer delivering reads on other people.
How is that related to alignment? Cause maybe he doesn't think WoS is worth commenting on (town)? Cause WoS is his scumbuddy and scum never talks of scumbuddies (scum)?
I can't because i would never do so. The people who are easiest to read for me are the one's that i usually interact the most with early on. I don't see a reason why town!Fuba would not try to find out WoS' alignment early on if he can read him well. Does he think WoS is town? Does that make sense to you? Does anything WoS has done look town to you?
You talk of connection cases being retarded when this part of your case is CONNECTION BASED, would you believe it? Fuba is scum cause he doesn't comment on someone you think is scum.
No, this has nothing to do with WoS' alignment. Even if WoS is town, it makes no sense from Fuba's perspective to not try to form a read on him.
Is he inconsistent? Well, so are you: Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 01 2013 06:47 Vivax wrote:On July 01 2013 06:41 Stutters695 wrote:
The part about no role name being claimed is null imo. I could easily argue the merits of town withholding that info until a second Miller claims. The damming part is how sure he was Marv was town, but that can easily be explained away by his thinking 5 minutes in is too early for scum to claim. I'm having a hard time justifying it when the rest of his play has been pretty town. Like your case had me pretty convinced earlier but the more I see from him the less I feel comfortable with it. Yeah, 12 minutes of difference between the two games is a pretty big reason. Rayn having completely different opinions on miller claims in two different games with similar setups is totally not scummy. Why can't any of you understand that as the millers have role-names, it's too fucking risky to claim miller as mafia??!?!?!?!?
If there was another miller claim, who is to say marv gets to say his role name last? Me? Certainly not. If someone had cc'd him i would totally have him claim his role name first, because marv has balls to do something like this. Not counting the fact that it's incredibly stupid, and no other miller claims proves even more that i am right in what i have said. Show nested quote +On June 30 2013 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No it's not. Fakeclaiming miller 5min into the game is dumb and unnecessary as scum and if someone was dumb enough to fakeclaim after marv we had a 50% chance to right out catch them by having them post the role PM first.
You really can't understand what i was trying to do there? The last post was to say "if you are town, claim miller now", "if you are scum, do not claim". It was a catch to make sure every miller would claim if they were around (although i was kinda sure there were no more), because they would have nothing to lose in "claim role names vs marv" -battle. It was also to make scum more hesitant to fakeclaim miller in case i had missed something (if they could somehow get away with it). I don't actually always say what i think, you know lies are not always bad for town..
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Someone comment on this exchange:
On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. Show nested quote +And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question.
How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around.
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On July 01 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote:JJ:Show nested quote +OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place.
If you agree with me, why are gumshoe and s0lstice your scumreads but not Rayn/lazer/stutters?
That's why we should lynch noone but JarJar today. It makes no sense.
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On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Someone comment on this exchange: Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around.
I agree that those reasons you quote aren't sufficient to call you scum, he's basically calling you scum for changing a read and claiming to vote selfishly. But I don't know this dude, how sure are you that it's scum pushing you as opposed to a bad townie?
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On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Someone comment on this exchange: Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around.
gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so.
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no, gumshoe is a good townie. He's supertown.
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On July 01 2013 23:12 Vivax wrote:JJ:Show nested quote +OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place.
If you agree with me, why are gumshoe and s0lstice your scumreads but not Rayn/lazer/stutters?
I feel like I've answered this already. I agreed w/ your points about Rayn and originally thougt he was scum. But he's done alot since then to convince me otherwise. Like I said about Lazer, I don't thing scum would pile thier votes on me so early and I have a STRONG scumread on gumshoe. I'll go reread stutters but I've had him as solidly in my town column pretty much all game.
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On July 01 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Someone comment on this exchange: On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around. gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so. Huh? Did you read what he wrote? If everyone knows that then why would he say "Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" He's saying that doing so makes me scummy. How can you read what he's saying any other way?
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This is why JarJar is scum in case someone missed it:
JarJar: "gumshoe is mafia for looking my certain posts from only from the scum perspective. He does not address how a townie could not make those posts."
JarJar: "rayn i think is town, but Vivax case is good"
Conclusion: That means Vivax is also (in JarJar's mind) only looking my posts from scum perspective, and does not address the possible town perspective.
Contradiction: Why does Vivax get to do this, or Oats, but not gumshoe? It does not matter that they are accusing me and not him, if you are town you treat every accusation equally, whether or not they are towards you, because you want to delete the bad arguments from the thread asap. Also why am i town if Vivax' case is good? Or if i am town, why is Vivax' case good? wtf?
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On July 01 2013 23:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Someone comment on this exchange: On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around. gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so. Huh? Did you read what he wrote? If everyone knows that then why would he say "Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" He's saying that doing so makes me scummy. How can you read what he's saying any other way?
Of course it makes you scummy. As town you would say "i don't want to lynch rayn because i have a town read on him, therefore both of the suspects are probably town and we should lynch X because of Y".
You are basically saying "i don't want to die, but i also don't want to do anything about it so i'll tell now that i will vote for rayn in the end, just that you know".
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Why are you avoiding the question, it's a very simple one, here:
Which I answered with more than just yes or no, cause the way you put it is construed to force out a yes. So I have presented arguments that show that whichever the answer is, it's not alignment indicative. He said he can read a dude well, but didn't post a read on that dude but on other reads. I don't see how that's something exclusively scum would do.
"It would have been *much* easier for scum to fakeclaim miller in this situation than I thought, and I don't see how this isn't obvious from a town perspective." - It is much harder to claim miller when we take account the role-names
No, if the town miller claims first the scum miller can simply say the other name, and in all of this you supposed that marv would be the town miller, as shown by the quote where you contradict yourself, coz you expected that the miller claiming after him WOULD HAVE TO BE scum.
As last out, scum can always argue that there are two millers. In the end, you mention all this shit afterwards just to justify your instatownread on marv which was so scummy. You can beat this to death with all your pre-game assumptions you claim to have had about millers, but you swallowing marv's claim and then increasingly adding reasons to it when the game progressed tells a whole other story.
" Add to that Vivax's case, where he points out that rayn accepts the existence of a miller at face value" - I never did so. I said "scum won't fakeclaim miller unless dumb, marv is not dumb". I did not accep the existance of a miller at face value. When marv claimed miller i accepted that he is town at face value.
This is so dumb, when you accepted marv being town at face value you also accepted the existence of a miller at face value, cause the alternative was no miller and marv scum, which you never considered cause you knew he was town.
Even when marv tells you that he fakeclaimed miller before, you kept treating him as confirmed town.
Marv is not dumb enough to fakeclaim miller you say, but he tells you he did it in another game and you still don't question it at all.
Later you add up the justification that it's dumber in this game cause of miller names, even when you say that the guy after marv would have to claim his name first, effectively showing that you still expected marv to be the town miller among the two.
On June 30 2013 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cool. If nobody counterclaims the next step is that the third party (if here) is going to protect you.
On June 30 2013 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, now that i can be sure that you are town and i do actually have to find scum instead of bullshitting around, let's work together and find all the mafia on D1. Deal?
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Okay you are clearly unable to understand my thought process so it's useless to discuss the same things over and over again.
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On July 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is why JarJar is scum in case someone missed it:
JarJar: "gumshoe is mafia for looking my certain posts from only from the scum perspective. He does not address how a townie could not make those posts."
JarJar: "rayn i think is town, but Vivax case is good" I already answered that. On July 01 2013 23:08 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Why is Vivax not suspicious for doing the same thing with me that you say gumshoe is doing with you (looking things from only one perspective)? OK, because like I said, I like the cases he's made. I agree w/ everything he pointed out about you in regards to the miller/marv stuff. It's the same type of stuff that made me suspicious of you in the first place. The whole looking @ things from one perspective doesn't even compare. Look @ what I'm talking about in regards to gumshoe: Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 12:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 06:13 gumshoe wrote:Lastly, isn't it funny how Jar Jar's been gone all day then jumps in once the heat builds? Hes either actively not contributing or someone gave him a heads up . I mean, look @ this last post. How are those the only options? How about "He's doing something unrelated to the game on a Sunday Afternoon"? He's trying to cast suspicion based on stuff that are outside the realm of the game. Like what does he mean by someone gave me a heads up once the heat built up? Is he implying that I wasn't following the game thread but I was following the scum thread and someone there told me I need to go post? You really think that's similiar to what vivax is doing?
You keep bringing this up. I was only reference ONE POST that gumshoe made. I was never saying that was the only (or even the main) reason he's mafia.
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On July 01 2013 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 23:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 01 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Someone comment on this exchange: On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? On July 01 2013 11:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK. Rayne's kinda convinced me that he's town over the last few pages. I think he's legit pissed @ oats. I'd prefer not lynching rayn (though if I have to vote him to save myself I obviously will).
I laid out my case against Solstice already. He'd be my preferred lynch today. Wow, flip flop much? Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how? Is this a serious question? Because I know for a fact that I am town. If I get lynched, the town is definately 100% losing a townie. On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? On July 01 2013 11:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 01 2013 11:32 gumshoe wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean, I don't even understand how you can ask that? Are you saying that you'd be willing to stick your head in a noose if it would save someone that you have a town read on? My point is you dont sound like your in it to find scum or help town at this point, your just trying to not piss people off and survive the day. No, that wasn't your point. You asked me how it was townish to be willing to vote someone that I had a townread on to save myself. You were not saying or even implying anything about me not pissing people off. You jumped on a statement I made and tried to call it scummy which it wasn't @ all. Which you are straight up admitting by not answering my question. And honestly do you think I can treat the old "I'm town so towns gonna get hurt when I die" with any value whatsoever? And then here you try to twist it around like I'm trying to use it to make myself seem more town when YOU'RE the one who asked the question. How is this not scummy as hell? He jumps on me for saying something. He then basically admits that he'd do the exact same thing in my situation and tries to turn the whole exchange around. gumshoe is saying "why don't you find mafia or convince the town your scumread is mafia instead of saying i'll vote for rayn if it's gonna be close". Of course you are going to vote for me in that situation, there is no need to say that, everyone knows you'll do so. Huh? Did you read what he wrote? If everyone knows that then why would he say "Also a willingness to vote for someone you think is good to save yourself... is towny how?" He's saying that doing so makes me scummy. How can you read what he's saying any other way? Of course it makes you scummy. As town you would say "i don't want to lynch rayn because i have a town read on him, therefore both of the suspects are probably town and we should lynch X because of Y". You are basically saying "i don't want to die, but i also don't want to do anything about it so i'll tell now that i will vote for rayn in the end, just that you know". I did say I don't want to lynch rayne because I have a town read on him. Right in the quoted post.
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JJD: But why was it a reason for him to be mafia?
Vivax: You saying i have not asked Fuba to comment on JarJar/WoS is a straight out lie. Why are you lieing?
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