[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia

On July 07 2013 08:19 Chezinu wrote:

Greetings Father,

I'm am Chezinu Isunizehc. Do you remember me? I know its been a while since you have last seen me, but I am in grave need right now. I have found out there are individuals that wish my termination and rumors that they have spoken about nuking me. For your image, you must save me. If you can't save your son, what will people think? I know you hate me and think of me as a monster, but the best thing to do right now is the hide this monster in your vault. Periodically, you can allow me to speak with the people to prove that I am safe. I know a deserve worse in your eyes, but the people and I leave you know choice.

Your Monster,

Chezinu Isunizehc

On July 07 2013 09:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
this looks like a bus nuke so hard. xat gonna flip red ye

On July 09 2013 02:32 strongandbig wrote:
looks like i missed some nuke defenses (on pretty good targets) and some more nukes

and the worst roleclaim ever from engie (dont kill me im the doctor guise)

so im pretty okay with where the nukes are heading, i guess

On July 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
SnB those are some bold words especially considering I was a main advocate for Johnny and only recently took my vote off him due to the sheer anger he seems to be displaying towards me for pushing him (which doesn't appear faked).
What is scummy about Johnny's post aside from what I've mentioned? Rayn seems to think it's pretty towny and it echoes his thoughts.

Also I super disagree with you regarding gumshoe.

On July 09 2013 02:32 strongandbig wrote:
looks like i missed some nuke defenses (on pretty good targets) and some more nukes

and the worst roleclaim ever from engie (dont kill me im the doctor guise)

so im pretty okay with where the nukes are heading, i guess

On July 09 2013 02:37 johnnywup wrote:
I think S&B might just be stupid.

On July 09 2013 02:30 strongandbig wrote:

cause he town

On July 09 2013 02:39 strongandbig wrote:
yeah sure

jonnywups post:



(1) lists every lurker in the game. no good reason to do that, its a waste of effort for town cause everyone can look for themselves whether a player has posted. literally no one will give a single shit about that list. however, its a convenient way for scum to pad out the post.

(2) excessive focus only on people who voted him rather than looking for reads and pursuing them throughout the game. indicates a "get people off of me" mentality rather than a "find who's scum" mentality.

(3) votes for wos, doesn't actually explain any reasons why he's scum except "look at before" despite talking about other players.

(4) his reasons for omgussing people voting him are all pretty bad; there's nothing about tanggang or abenson explaining why they have a scum mentality or whatever. goes wiht the "get people to stop voting me" rather than "find who's scum" mentality thing.

why did people say this was a townie looking post?

On July 09 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok this has been bugging me a little.
Who has played with Boson before/
Boson why do you tend not to contribute to conversations taking place and help us out with those and instead follow your own trains of thought and lines of questioning all game? Can you not do both?

On July 09 2013 02:51 strongandbig wrote:


umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions...




okay

vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line


apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked.

who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland

what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos

On July 09 2013 03:27 strongandbig wrote:


what do you mean by the bolded

On July 09 2013 21:55 Ace wrote:



1.) why wouldn't he stealth nuke someone that is probably Town? durr? If he and Chezinu are scum buddies together then doesn't it make sense for him not to nuke him? If rayne's nukes can only be activated by stealth then this is moot as he would never even do so. If you honestly believe rayne has the capability to nuke another player and is Town - then why not nuke Chezinu?

2.) I don't think he actually thought it through well enough or he really believed he could get away with it. Again, MZ was the one who called him out on this. Unless you have a problem with MZ's post, then I don't see why you are over thinking this. Notice that even after he claimed he wasn't under any pressure. So he could very well have been correct in thinking he was safe on it.

3.) I don't understand where this is going. If you are assuming that only Town players will act bold you are acting under a false premise.


Here's my thing: Why is the DI/ON lynch not a major deal to you? That was a last minute wagon flip that resulted in a townie lynch. The guy who was going to be lynched got away with a scant post in his defense and disappeared. ON put up a defense and votes weren't moved off of him. You don't see a problem here?

On July 09 2013 22:06 Ace wrote:
@jampidampi: Ok I'm going to go with your assumption.

Here's my new thought process.

Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this.

stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this?

Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction.

rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here.

If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum?

On July 12 2013 02:35 strongandbig wrote:

how is that soft

derpburgler

On July 12 2013 02:39 austinmcc wrote:
Talk to sleeping austin and working austin about that.

Lotta stuff went down in a small period of time. I don't care whether artanis is a bastard host or not, some of these roles most certainly exist on both sides (or people are just fake claiming). For instance, in game where ZERO people have claimed radiation nukes, we have 3-4 people claiming immune one. I read that as some people fake claiming, and an indicator that radiation nukes are a scum (possibly 3P) mechanic.

OP also has to go and say "many types of nukes," which may or may not be artanis getting cheeky, but indicates that there should be more than just nukes and radiation nukes.

I dunno, I found jampidampi's response to rayn's stuff very scummy. I haven't gone back over all this recent maju stuff, but ... I don't think I'd save him if it were me. Don't believe we've got 4 town immune ones, although maybe 1/2 the thread dies of radiation poisoning tonight and we realize it's a bigger mechanic than we thought.

On July 15 2013 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote:

See, the shitty thing about this is we can't even call it scummy because Gumsheo essentially did the same thing but without talking in thread.

Whoever said we can't win when people are playing against their wincon was right.

On July 16 2013 05:36 strongandbig wrote:
and if you guys still think me being inactive means i'm scum then check this gem of a town filter.
or also mtg mini mafia where i got bored and left marv to play the game by himself.

some games are less motivating to me than others but it's not alignment indicative.

so if you all still want to lynch me then whatever but know that you're stupid for it.

On July 15 2013 04:58 austinmcc wrote:
strongandbig's reads/notes this game:

scum - Vayne is xatalos if scum, johnnywup, gumshoe, DI, Nirvana.Gabo, Vayne, gumshoe, oatsmaster, oatsmaster again and possible xatalos, DI, vayne, austinmcc, vayne, DI, oatsmaster, DI/vayne/oats/austinmcc, VA/austinmcc, vayne, gumshoe, ace maybe or stutters, austinmcc, geript/austinmcc,

town - ace, rayn, ace, maybe vayne (after DI flipped), maybe maju?,

As I was poking through his filter I noticed how lopsided it was. Everyone and their mother is scum. Ace and rayn are his only townreads, and he ever drops the "why is Ace still alive if he had a nuke and is Ace?" after N2, indicates that ace maybe isn't town. However, despite calling nearly everyone scum, he barely ever mentions maju. First mention of maju is today:in which he...actually doesn't directly address maju himself. He says what others should do based on their feelings about maju.

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I wanted to compare that to some recent past games.

Bastard "Mini" (snb town i think)
scum - maybe prome, yamato, zealos, sentinel, prome, zealos,
town - rayn,
3P - palmar

(Game was ended due to lack of people playing. But in his filter there, 4 people scum, 1 town, palmar 3P).

Carnival Cruise (snb scum)
scum - DarthPunk maybe, oats, obviousone (votes after sheeping WoS), either oats or obviousone, hiropro, prome maybe, oats, maybe shirokami or prplhz, maybe sloosh, maybe kush,
town - maybe slOosh and rayn, VE, WoS

Boardwalk Empire (town)
scum - "would lynch" shelvocke/artanis and maybe VE, maybe oo, artanis/shelvocke/VE, oo/shelvocke/maybe MZ, would lynch sinani or oo, oo or sharrant, oo/geript/shelvocke/sharrant, RO/vivax
town - "would not lynch" palmar, keirathi, rayn, MZ, probably sinani, geript, oatsmaster, maybe sinani/mocsta/yamato/vivax/keirathi,

RED Team's Prize (town)
scum - prplhz, maybe acro, would lynch grackaroni/nisani, acro, maybe acro, obviousone,
town - maybe acro, maybe prplhz, hapahauli (snb was one-shot medic and healed him N1),

screw it this is too much snb focus. I'm stopping once i hit this post - + Show Spoiler +


The one-sidedness of snb's reads struck me as odd. It's not all of his games, and ymmv, but I personally see MORE townreads (and more reasoning in general) in his town games. In his scum game above, he had 2 hard town reads, a couple maybe town reads, and then mostly scum. In his town games, he'll post a thing of all his town/scumreads with a bunch of green names, have more people he doesn't want to lynch, etc.

(1) Game is easier for scum if they primarily have scumreads, can lynch most anyone. If you give a bunch of townreads, your lynch options are limited and come mid/lategame you have to backtrack on early townreads in order to lynch folks.

(2) I'm not super duper digging again, you can click the links yourself, but I generally found town snb to sometimes be sheepy or...he'd say like "i'll lynch these 3-4 people." In this game, he started that way on D2, giving 4 folks he'd lynch or wanted to lynch, but didn't keep with it like I saw in other games.

(3) I'm town, stutters. But after looking at this stuff, I'm fine lynching into immune ones and going after snb. His posting has been butt, he hasn't been giving much of his own thoughts this game, and he's so scumread heavy.