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I'd like to bring to your attention a scum suspect that seems to be passing by the sidelines. That man is named FirmTofu. Just read his filter, it isn't long. Infact, it has only one post. This one: On July 07 2013 07:39 FirmTofu wrote: If you look at the post from a townie perspective you'd expect some kind of followup. There's none. Dudes scum. Reading thread, give me a few minutes. | ||
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On July 07 2013 15:47 Alakaslam wrote: -snip- Jwupwut [johnnywup] looks like town. -snip- Why? | ||
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On July 07 2013 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: jampidampi look at MZ and tell me what do you see. I see someone tunneling another person, really. Though the way it is happening makes me wonder. He lists geript as town, but you as scum, even though in my eyes your little back&forth with geript is town on town. So Meapak, what in your eyes makes geripts and rays interaction look like town on scum? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=45#900 He comes back to the thread just to tell that in his opinion, FirmTofu is bad. And not the scummy looking bad, but the not enough skill bad. If he was town wouldn't he have commented on something scummy/townie, not something bad? | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote: So....if I were to tell you guys to get your votes off of NG..... What makes you not want lynch him? Why can't you save Meapak without conditions? | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah Johnny I'm not getting lynched. Today or ever. Come on where are the rest of you guys? I REALLY wanna YOLO this and I'm pretty tempted but I at least want to see if SOME people approve. What stops you from using your own judgement? | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:33 Ace wrote: ##unvote Chezinu His nuke is possibly harmless, and he only nuked Xata because he was retaliating. Of course he didn't read the thread and realized the nuke wasn't real because he's a troll. Is it normal for town Chezinu to not read the thread? Is it normal for town Chezinu to to use his killing powers without thinking? Or explaining? | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: this is the best news I will get all day lol. also gratz on the zealot jampidampi thanks  So should we lynch Chezinu for not explaining his nuking properly? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1. ##Nuke: Xatalos On July 07 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyone who has a nuke available nuke geript. He's scum. On July 07 2013 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU ASAP! HE IS NUKING TOWN! ANTI-NUKE! WHATEVER! plz On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself? i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU! Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. On July 07 2013 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak? jampidampi look at MZ and tell me what do you see. On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town?No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. | ||
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On July 09 2013 19:44 Oatsmaster wrote: So why did he claim it? Currently pondering about that. Didn't want to one mega post that everyone just skips. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Possible scenarios in which rayn claims the nuke: 1) Rayn is town, actually lauched the nuke, and thinks WoS and Meapak are scum with WoS saving Meapak See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 2) Rayn is town and claimed a nuke he didn't launch Some sort of trick to catch scum? For that to be true he must have though that scum launched the nuke. Because if he though town lauched it, he would just get counterclaimed and then be in a shitty situation. 3) Rayn is scum, launched the nuke and claimed it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 4) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke his scumbuddy lauched to put heat onto Meapak and WoS Only possible if
5) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke not lauched by his scumbuddy Rayn concludes that since nobody has claimed the nuke, someone must have a reason for not claiming it, be it that they are 3rd party or maybe that they have multiple nukes, and therefore would not counterclaim him. He claims it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS. 6) Rayn is 3rd party Since we don't a possible 3rd partys wincon, I won't speculate on this so much. If he is a 3rd party, the claim is most likely for survival, as not looking so townie makes scum less likely to shoot at you. Other than that, maybe his wincon is related to Meapak dying? It's just too much speculation to think of it this way. The only options that actually make sense are 2, 5 and 6. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote: Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong? | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:48 Ace wrote: I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along? regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here. If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck. The first point is that if he had a nuke, that post would have lauched it. Forget about reasonings, look at Chez and johnny lauching their nukes. They type ##Nuke: [insert target here] and the nuke is lauched. If Rayn had a nuke, why wouldn't his post have lauched the nuke? Did you even read my post and think about it? If Rayn had a fucking nuke it would have been launched at Xata early D1! That is why couldn't have a nuke at Meapak! | ||
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On July 09 2013 22:00 Ace wrote: Why would you assume his nuke has to be activated that way? why couldn't it be a PM only nuke? Why do you go from thinking that Ray lauhced a nuke to thinking he didn't in the same post? | ||
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On July 09 2013 22:06 Ace wrote: @jampidampi: Ok I'm going to go with your assumption. Here's my new thought process. Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this. stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this? Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction. rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here. If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum? He has a post reasoning why the nuke is from scum: On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:48 Ace wrote: I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along? regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here. If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck. What else was Rayn "lying" about than launching the nuke? | ||
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On July 09 2013 22:25 geript wrote: I don't believe that he didn't launch the nuke. I'm not seeing a real masterplan behind fake claiming a nuke. As a matter of fact, just after it was launched I was all like "Yo rayn was that you?" Because rayn is that type of player to do shit like that. I have post here (click the link) detailing why I think Rayn didn't launch the nuke. What makes my analysis wrong? | ||
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You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [cause it's long] + On July 10 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's Suspicion Meter™ FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 Look at the underlined. FirmTofu has already presumed that I'm scum and therefore isn't thinking about it from a perspective that I could be town. jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. Suspicion: +20 He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 Not though given for a possibility where I'm town. The Damning Evidence: We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Or instead of discrediting Rayn, I could be trying to resolve situation and bring my analysis to the attention of others. Almost everyone had taken Rays claim of the nuke at face value, believing that he actually launched it. Yet again not a single thought given from the perspective where I'm town. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Why would I push a Rayn lunch if I had yet to reach a conclusion of his alignment? You'll notice from my posts that my read on Rayn relied heavily on his potential reasons for fakeclaiming the nuke, which he didn't give until after I had already left. FirmTofu seems to be assuming I'm scum trying to lynch Rayn and is not thinking objectively. Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. Then for the actual response. + Show Spoiler [cause this is long too] + On July 10 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's Suspicion Meter™ FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. Suspicion: +20 If the town is full of lurkers, why would scum step up and become active? Why wouldn't they just lurk it out? Wouldn't is make more sense that there were probably many scum hiding amonst the lurkers? And wouldn't it therefore make more sense if I looked at the mentioned group of people? He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 The Damning Evidence: We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. I don't see how my post in any way implies I knew Rayn didn't launch the nuke. You don't even rationalize why the most core part of your suspicion is true, you just state it and leave it as it is. | ||
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On July 11 2013 20:51 Onegu wrote: So there are 3 immune ones in the game? If you believe Chezinu and johnnywup there are also three poeple with timed nukes, so I don't why there couldn't be three Immune ones. | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote: He's just looking to nuke a target that town won't give him flack for, not actually looking for the best target. He has had scumread on VA since he ever mentioned anything about his reads, yet instead of nuking his scumread he nukes me. So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours. | ||
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Majus scum. Since I don't like repeating points, here is something new for you to analyse: On July 11 2013 13:40 MajuGarzett wrote: Ok guys I have a nuke. Since it seems I might be lynched I have to use it by 10:00 GMT (+00:00) or the town loses a kill for nothing. Who should I nuke? On July 11 2013 13:40 MajuGarzett wrote: EBWOP Actually town would lose a kill and a townie which is worse than nothing. See how he forget here that he's a townie? Gumshoe is also scum. If you look at his filter in Basterd Mini http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418641&user=gumshoe and compare it to his filter in this game, you'll notice a big difference. Gumshoe post long, insightful and analytical posts in Basterd, but they are nowhere to be seen here. Simple explanation: he's scum. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:08 Ace wrote: jamp, how did you read that last set of posts as him forgetting he is Town? If he was town, would he have the need to add that town looses a townie? If he was scum however, wouldn't he feel that he missed the point where he is townie and thus corrected it? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:10 Ace wrote: actually jamp - how come you believed rayne so easily on Day 1 even though he was confirmed to be lying? How did you figure out the plan so easily? You haven't been posting much, so how did you get such an accurate read? How was rayn a lier on D1? I spent a lot time of rayn, since his claim of the nuke didn't make sense. Xatalos had posted this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=79#1574, pointing out many things not making sense about the claim. I tried to form my own conclusions about rays alignment, but it didn't seem likely that rayn had actually launched the nuke given the evidence. I'll admit that I chose to focus on the issue because it was easy to think and post about it, but for me it was a good to aproach a huge filter like rays. Whenever I'm faced with a huge filter my thoughs wander everywhere and focusing on something like claim first helps unravel parts of the motivations behind the posts, thus making it easier to analyse the rest. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:20 Z-BosoN wrote: @jampi Who are your top scumreads right now? Maju and Gumshoe. Are you even reading? | ||
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Thye seemed to be genuine in their posting. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:30 Xatalos wrote: Any reasonings behind any of your reads? It's not hard for scum to just pull some "reads" out of thin air. Ace is town for trying to get to know my alignment. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:27 VayneAuthority wrote: Actually I just went back to I swear this is mini mafia and cross analyzed jampi there where he got mislynched day 1 and his play here is very different. I am fairly convinced he is scum now. When he flipped town there he actually gave reasons for his scum/town reads and contributed to the thread before he died, here he is a lot angrier/slinging shit. He only came back to the thread once he realized he was saved by geript. ##unvote ##vote: Jampi Says the one who claims that his meta is different every single game. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:27 VayneAuthority wrote: Actually I just went back to I swear this is mini mafia and cross analyzed jampi there where he got mislynched day 1 and his play here is very different. I am fairly convinced he is scum now. When he flipped town there he actually gave reasons for his scum/town reads and contributed to the thread before he died, here he is a lot angrier/slinging shit. He only came back to the thread once he realized he was saved by geript. ##unvote ##vote: Jampi Actually, how did you end up with that conclusion? Here is my filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415754&user=jampidampi | ||
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On June 11 2013 10:55 jampidampi wrote: ShiaoPi town pure gut Axle town lays down his whole thought process in the thread Gravity town seems to actually want to find alignments of people others null all gut reads How is that any more reasoning than what I have given here? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:52 geript wrote: So the last few minutes of your life you spend time OMGUSing instead of actually trying to make good bullet points on who to lynch and why. Take your time and read the filters. You'll see that what Vayne is saying is totally incorrect. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote: If jampidampi flips town, please do nuke MajuGarzett (at night preferably). If jampidampi flips scum, nuke someone else. When I flip town you better look at what I wrote about Vayne | ||
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