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On July 09 2013 03:45 VayneAuthority wrote: lool nice post of the thread stutters. who you gonna vote for boy DI. He's scum | ||
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![]() Anyway gonna go analyze onegu. Hold tight. | ||
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On July 11 2013 09:41 geript wrote: No. You choosing to not do shit is dumb. Here, I'm giving you 3 nukes. You must fire them today. Who you firing at and why? Not choosing. Not having time. I literally have no idea who I'd nuke yet. | ||
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On July 13 2013 01:40 Koshi wrote: That was my inactive list. You are not listed on my scummy list. Can't blame me for saying that you are inactive. I can blame you for making a useless post then. What was the point of it if you're not saying anything except hey these guys lurk. | ||
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On July 13 2013 01:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Wrong. I did too but I was 3P so I didn't really give a shit. ![]() You also said part of it was BH putting me as scum coach for the newbie so I don't count that :p | ||
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On July 13 2013 04:06 johnnywup wrote: random number generated. I'd still like to see the role PM though You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. | ||
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On July 13 2013 05:42 austinmcc wrote: Don't like the look of this. You choose a nuke type, with no mention of nuke types in the PM. Indicates both that you've had knowledge of different types of nukes AND that you're altering/omitting things from your PM. It's exactly what you see. I wasn't told any types of nukes just that I can make them, thus I sent Ace a standard nuke. | ||
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There were enough floating around already and I didn't have a solid enough town read to give it to due to not being here | ||
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You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. | ||
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Also scummy as shit. | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Stutters did you ask what different types of nukes you could choose from? I did not. | ||
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On July 13 2013 12:08 Onegu wrote: I thought we were going to stop writeing in russian, I am to lazy to translate even though I see my name. @stutters why didnt you make a different type of nuke. Most people had xata as town and with his claim a radiation nuke would have been much better, are you just lazy? Reading comprehension bro. I couldn't make real nukes. Promising someone everyone think thinks is town a buff doesn't have the same potential for generating discussion as a nuke that ace thought was lethal to his target. | ||
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Spoiler alert, they probably knew it was a fake since they had a legit nuke maker who's role was only to give a nuke d2 so the fact that I offered one d1 probably typed them off. Second part was at greipt | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:53 Onegu wrote: And his claim timeing is so random also, why claim then you are asking to have your factory blown up then and telling everyone it is fake takes away the info we gain. First, I gave him the nuke because I was hoping he wasn't going to nuke someone he thought was scummy but not the obvious target. I can think of very few scenarios where scum would have nuked outside of MG but if there was anyone who could pull it off and not get lynched I'd pick Ace to do it. I didn't want to just toss it out there and hope scum slipped up since that should never happen in that position unless I'm missing something @the quote above It was in no way random. Multiple people had asked me to claim(if you're talking about the Chinese claim). If you're talking about the second claim I didn't want the lynch to leave someone that I'm almost certain is scum. If town thinks that my nuke is real we'd lynch someone else and let him get dealt with. Since it was already out there that I can make nukes in some capacity and scum know I'm telling the truth I assume they destroyed my shit (I think Austin is scum pending a reread so that would make sense that he destroyed it) there was no reason not to tell the full truth at that point. | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote: His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that Think logically Vayne. What purpose would my role serve if all it did was tell someone they had a nuke they could fire via ##nuke: x and then didn't even launch. If anything that would just get whoever tried to fire lynched for "lying"about having a nuke. If I was scum there is literally 9 reason for me to claim such a role and as town it isn't a stretch to assume that them being told they received that nuke means they can fire it but won't actually do anything. If that's not the case I don't get this role at all and I'm glad it's gone now. | ||
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On July 14 2013 14:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Ok I will try to explain it You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The role ends at target player being told they received a nuke. thats it. You do not actually make real nukes. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. Compare that to this. Choose nuke and player. Player will be told he received a nuke. NUKE WONT ALWAYS WORK BUT WILL APPEAR REAL. see? that is the difference. One claim ends at the role PM, the other goes on to say that the nuke will actually appear as real in the thread. I added the nuke won't always work part to try and keep the threat of the nuke actually blowing someone up alive. It should be pretty obvious what I adjusted considering i kept the format and the wording, only changing what made sense to show that the nuke could go off. | ||
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On July 15 2013 00:34 Koshi wrote: I am willing to vote on geript, Austin, CA, gumshoe, Chezinu. In that order. Day 4: MG if the nuke is fake Stutters if the nuke is real It sucks that we can only kill 1 guy a day. That's really stupid imo and makes this game pretty slow. If for some reason the nuke goes off and it kills MG that means Ace lied about receiving a nuke and really received 2 or had one plus the one I gave him. Ideally in that case you'd lynch him over me but if it takes my flip to trade with a scum Ace so be it, I'll take that trade any day. That said that's such a convoluted and unlikely scenario considering I think Ace is town, I'm really expecting it to just fizzle. | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:43 johnnywup wrote: i thought s0lstice was nuked. broken game oh yeah, unvote for now. I was liking an austin lynch a lot yesterday but he's been making a lot of good posts lately and aghhhhhhh. I don't know. ##unvote His "good" posts consist of trying to get me lynched for lying about a role PM in a closed setup by comparing me to completely different roles. His only other suggestion is that I'm the silent nuker since he raided me and there hasn't been one. Look where he blatantly contradicts himself in that same post. "I don't think the silent nukes can come from a super inactive player" yet "I'm still near-convinced that stutters is lying about his role PM. I cannot explain the lack of silent nuke today beyond stutters being the silent nuker." These aren't contributions, he's pushing a mislynch on setup speculation when countless games have proved that's not reliable in anything but an open setup (Les Mis and Basterd to name two recent ones I've played in). Austin isn't dumb, thus I'm inclined to believe he's scum | ||
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Sentinel I answered what you're saying I didn't. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:58 johnnywup wrote: I'm not convinced. The fact that mods didn't answer your question isn't a fucking scumtell -.- That's not but his filter is. | ||
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##vote: Austin | ||
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Ace just to confirm you only received 1 nuke d2 right? | ||
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##unvote ##vote SnB | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:08 geript wrote: Also, @Stutters... Don't you think Austin is scum... Why are you voting with him on SnB? Because I'm having a hard time reconciling the four immunes all being town and this wouldn't be an unreasonable bus. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:57 geript wrote: @Stutters... So if you're town and you know the nuke is fake then why aren't you trying to lynch Maju? Pretty sure I explained this earlier. We aren't getting endgamed tonight unless crazy shit happens. People thought I was lying about my role PM and thus I'm a detriment to town that you have to deal with. By letting my nuke go off and show it wasn't real/the missile defense saying they are places rather than people, it completely negates the need to deal with me if town has a brain. So by that logic lynching Maju actually only saves town a death, even if we assume that a Maju lynch actually reduces KP. (Nk+mislynch+nk) compared to mislynch 2nk, maju nk. If there was assurance of this kill reducing KP I would have been all about it however without that insurance there was a 50% chance of kp rounding up, making absolutely no difference in the amount of deaths of town and it makes me an obviously horrible lynch. Combined with my belief that Austin was scum, the necessity of dealing with the SnB/Onegu situation it was a gamble I was willing to take. | ||
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On July 16 2013 04:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: As much as I love being confirmed town and not obligated to post anything useful, here are some rationales Stutters All he's done is lurk and admit his role is to give fake nukes to people. As a towny, this role has questionable use other than trolling. He could give them to scummers but scummers already have silent nukes. So he could just give it to someone he thinks is a scummer and watch who he hits, learning who is town through multiple layers of WIFOM, enough to make the reads those nukes give questionable. If he gives them to towns, well that just hampers the town effort. Note that a Cheap Chinese Nuke Manufacturer could be a blue role. You vig your townreads and hope that they can kill a scum or two with your nukes, but no guarantees the nukes work. A Toy Store has no benefit to town. Chezinu I just don't like him. First he speaks in ways that make no sense to me and then he lurks for the second half of the game. His voting patters combined with general ninjavoting suggest to me, as well as spoilering his townreads, suggest to me that he doesn't actually want to push anything and can just settle for someone else pushing the wrong person and then piggybacking on that wagon. strongandbig contributes nothing and is happy with contributing nothing. Back when I was playing 5 games at the same time this guy would've been textbook scum to me, except then I learned that Vayne did exactly the same thing in Roulette and rolled town. Maybe he's lazy, just like me. So no, I don't think he's a scummer. Why do you think I tried to get Ace to scare someone into contributing before the died. I really didn't get how to use my role, except d1 during the confusion, which I wasn't here for. | ||
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In what way, at all, would my actions work towards a scum wincon compared to not even claiming the nuke and letting the vote switch off Maju and coasting like I had been all game? Additionally, why is no one suspicious of the fact that Austin destroyed my shit when he was under the impression that it might kill someone everyone was ready to lynch instead of asking if I would give my nuke to a person of towns choosing. Instead he destroyed it because of setup speculation. If you want to talk about an anti-town role, I'd say his usage is way worse than mine. | ||
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You said I was your top nuke target yet hours later you nuked Austin. What gives? | ||
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On July 16 2013 09:47 Stutters695 wrote: Before anyone goes full retard and nukes me, answer this. In what way, at all, would my actions work towards a scum wincon compared to not even claiming the nuke and letting the vote switch off Maju and coasting like I had been all game? Additionally, why is no one suspicious of the fact that Austin destroyed my shit when he was under the impression that it might kill someone everyone was ready to lynch instead of asking if I would give my nuke to a person of towns choosing. Instead he destroyed it because of setup speculation. If you want to talk about an anti-town role, I'd say his usage is way worse than mine. | ||
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On July 17 2013 01:59 Stutters695 wrote: Sentinel I have a question for you. You said I was your top nuke target yet hours later you nuked Austin. What gives? | ||
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The Austin quote revolves around a couple things. First his only case against me was based entirely off of me lying to make my role seem worthwhile and setup speculation that I couldn't be a place. I gave Ace a "nuke" from my toy store that I told the thread may or may not be real which was used on a scum read of the majority of the thread and someone Austin was unsure of, but I got the impression from his posts he was scummy. So if he thought Maju was scummy he destroyed what he should have believed was a nuke factory that was used for towns advantage because of setup speculation making him think I'm scum. That isn't a good reason to destroy town KP and it's sketchy. | ||
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##vote: Maju Garzett | ||
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On July 19 2013 04:04 geript wrote: Ok, since I'm going to die. You guys need to lynch Chez tomorrow. Just trust me on this, it's like the right play. I haven't seen any good reads from him. Hell he's barely providing reads whatsoever. He's not doing much other than trolling. The combination of not pushing good wagons, not providing good reads and solely trolling is pretty scummy especially since that's essentially Chez's scum meta (or at least as much of it as I know). That said, I still think Stutters has a great shot for 3p. Chez is likely a scum aligned toy factory or something similar imo. I think the plan was to have Chez shoot a town target D1 and have Oats defend a fake shot for town cred. For right now, I'd ignore CA. Onegu is looking rather scummy to me from the voting history and I didn't like much in his filter but I'll need to review it again. I'll post more after I get back from the store. I'm not 3p but unless you believe that 3p can make fake nukes for town cred I can't be 3p. Even if I could give fake nukes I would have no incentive to. By giving fake nukes and claiming it I put myself in a terrible position with all this scrutiny compared to claiming that I was just a VT or something. Considering my only mislynch still was in Whose Line where the game was solved and it really didn't matter if I got lynched or the other guy. If I was playing 3p I would have coasted to endgame like I always do rather than bring a shitload of attention to myself. | ||
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So who do you want to lynch today? Gonna do some more in depth reading but Chez is looking like a good choice. | ||
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On July 20 2013 22:41 Koshi wrote: If it is one. 1) Scum isn't targeting him. 2) He isn't targeting scum. We got to pray that we get the radiated super scum this lynch. After that we got to pray that there are no new nukes on Day 6. As it will be 3 vs 2. ##Vote: CaucasianAsian How would it be 3v2 exactly? | ||
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##vote: CaucasianAsian Seems like a really obvious first time scummer, but you already know that don't you? | ||
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