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On July 15 2013 06:01 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:57 austinmcc wrote:On July 15 2013 05:49 geript wrote:On July 13 2013 13:47 geript wrote:KNOWLEDGE NUKE INCOMINGOk so a few things to start off with. I've been exploring the idea of Dandel being bussed. The anti-DI lynch came primarily from Rayn and myself and Xat got on board as well and we were looking for an alternative lynch here. The basic responses that were given were: On July 09 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:DI is more of a known quantity and therefore his uselessness/lurkiness/early posts can be compared to his behavior in other games or what people expect out of him.
Afaik, abenson and caucasianasian are not in that boat. Also, while I like Dandel Ion, caucasianasian is a much better name and is fun to write. If he dies, we are unlikely to type out his name. On July 09 2013 03:44 Stutters695 wrote:
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post of the thread On July 09 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote:If it's on DI, then I think it has the possibility to be a mislynch. My gut read on DI's entrance to the thread was ACTUALLY that it was scummy, because it felt like it was unnecessary to be active/trolly when the rest of the thread was, and so it was more to be able to say "see, here's an active/trolly start from me before I got down to business, just like you guys saw days ago in PTP."
That has passed since he's not around. Based on that gut read of his entrance into thread, I'm actually not convinced he'd be a mislynch.
If the lynch is on chezinu, I think it's a mislynch. On July 09 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel's last scum game consisted of typing lawl and u mad? and fake claiming SK until he was finally lynched
so yea On July 09 2013 04:01 Stutters695 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
lool nice post of the thread stutters. who you gonna vote for boy DI. He's scum I post these for one very simple reason. There's a huge switch after the ON case by Austin here. The specific thing that I want to draw your attention to on austin is the huge switch in attitude in a short manner of time. On July 09 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote: First DI Accusation On July 09 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote:Second DI Accusation On July 09 2013 04:10 austinmcc wrote:ON Case I don't know about you guys, but there are a few things that stick out as being exceptionally suspicious to me here. First, it takes me a while to put a case together. Like a long time to type and cross reference and make sure things make sense etc. and that case wasn't exactly short, so for austin to pump that out he must not have put a load of time into it. I find this important because it tells me that he has vested interest in shifting the lynch off of DI and onto someone else. Second, Austin was thinking that DI was actually scummy yet he pulls ON out of his hat to say "Hey I want to lynch this guy right now instead." But if DI is scummy, why doesn't he do anything at all to try and push the DI as scum read instead of give tacit "scummy bro is scummy" comments. Third, austin had previous thought negatively of ON + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
xata, austin, and geript shut up for a second and tell me why we shouldn't lynch dandel There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far. I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy. Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. but my issue with it isn't that he came up before OR that he hadn't come up before. Rather it's that at no point did he actively actually try to push the ON read on anyone. There's no attempt to actually bounce his ideas off of other people and try to get them to see what he's seeing. This tells me that austin doesn't want in any way to take any sort of leadership or responsibility for a lynch.TLDR edition You can add this to Xat's points, but Austin should be the next lynch for sure (after Maju) or be nuked. I have to get up in 2-3 hours to go work a race then work. I'll be back for a bit tomorrow and later on to post the others. FWIW I'm far less sure that Koshi is scum and I think I may have been overreacting after reading his filter. Have people forgotten about this? Or the reasons why Rayn thought Austin was scum? Or the reasons why Xat thought that Austin was scum? Is there a reason why the second lynch option isn't Austin? (Just gonna point out that, SO FAR, rayn is 0-1 on his scumreads from his claim being scum) (And that xat is also wrong) Or just don't address it and ignore it. That makes you totally towny... /sarcasm I addressed rayn's. He thought my reaction was scummy, I think a different reaction would be scummy.
I addressed xatalos's accusation earlier today. Some of what he found scummy is just...stuff I did. Asking him for reads, etc. The stuff that's not just "he did this thing and I think he's scum so this thing is scummy" was addressed in my post, lemme know what point you want me to talk about if you're not satisfied.
As far as your accusations, you're looking at the DI/ON lynch in particular. Yes, I thought DI was scummy, but I also thought ON was scummy. Maybe I back away a little bit because I don't want leadership/responsibility for the lynch. Maybe I back away because HOLY HELL SO MANY VOTES ARE CHANGING AND FOR NO OR AWFUL REASONS AND SO MAYBE THIS ISN'T GOOD. Mainly though, looking back at the day, it's DI's responses during the lynch itself that made me really, really sure on him. Didn't notice it at the time.
If you think that I'm just trying to find a DI alternative, then I need to ask, why do I vote DI D2? I want to save him and then bus him the next day? I don't even try to vote someone else/see where the day goes? Why save him and then immediately "bus" him in your mind?
You also bring up that I hadn't asked people about ON, talked about my read, etc. In saying that, you're ignoring me asking multiple people about ON D1, as I was mulling him over. Nobody saw fit to respond. + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 07:24 austinmcc wrote:
MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read? On July 08 2013 08:07 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 07:24 austinmcc wrote:
MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read, including, but not limited to, whether you guys still agree on things? All you said previously was: Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 03:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OriginalName: This one’s making a lot of sense/agreeing with me on the right things.
Verdict: Probably Town
On July 08 2013 09:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 09:18 Z-BosoN wrote:
austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you.
Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ?
RAWR. I AM THE MILD TASTE TACITURN. Welcome to thread. Maybe I'll get to call you scum later. For now, when you finish reading through things and give some general thoughts, please give OriginalName a read in particular, and let me know what flavor his filter would be if all our filters were Jell-O Instant Pudding On July 08 2013 10:43 austinmcc wrote:
MZ. You were "probably town" on ON in your read list because he agreed with you/made sense. Could you be more specific and flesh out your thoughts there?
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Fuck it, I can't say without a reasonable doubt that SnB is scum. I'm unvoting.
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On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once.
On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia.
On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for?
That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted.
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I can't remember where this was talked about (maybe Basterd postgame or obs QT?) but people were talking about how there are specific people who a town will essentially just sheep because of who they are and how they talk/play the game. I firmly believe Ace to be one of those people (see Roulette mafia) and such I have trouble trusting him when he is very clearly herding the town towards one particular view, as 'right-seeming' as it may be.
I think for this lynch people should look to their own reasons, not other people's to avoid a situation like D1.
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@WoS do you think Maju is Scum
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The only person Geript and I both find scummy on his list his MG, and honestly I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he flipped town. Hence the fact that I'd rather nuke than lynch him.
I don't think CA is scum, nor do I think austin is. This SnB business feels ALL KINDS of wrong to me. If you guys are looking for a safe lynch with me go Gumshoe.
I won't let you down. Promise.
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On July 15 2013 06:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
Austin are you trying to prove im town or something? Thanks I guess. Pretty much sums up my town play
I thought you were town until you mentioned the raiding thing, which makes zero sense
It actually doesn't. See, there's a role that raids people at night. In fact, you KNOW that, because MZ was also a war protestor.
I've claimed to raid you N1 and stutters N2. Stutters said he was raided. Nobody else claimed. So you KNOW that someone raided him (or he's lying) and nobody claimed the raid but me.
What apparently doesn't make sense to you is that you didn't get notified of a raid. Except that nobody has told you for sure you'd be notified or not. You were told the question couldn't be answered. Which, btw, means maybe yes and maybe no. You've decided to vote me based on not getting an answer to a question, rather than getting the answer to the question that shows I'm lying.
So hey, guess what, it totally makes sense! If you're not the one firing silent nukes, it makes sense if you don't have a nuke factory AND hosts don't notify about raids if you don't have a factory. Or, maybe it makes sense if you're lying. Either of those options make sense. Ta da!
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On July 15 2013 06:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
The only person Geript and I both find scummy on his list his MG, and honestly I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he flipped town. Hence the fact that I'd rather nuke than lynch him.
I don't think CA is scum, nor do I think austin is. This SnB business feels ALL KINDS of wrong to me. If you guys are looking for a safe lynch with me go Gumshoe.
I won't let you down. Promise.
why gumshoe?
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On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted.
I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to.
Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than:
1) He's lurky
2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation?
Just to be clear.
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I'll be back in an hour and a half or so, have to go pick up friend from airport
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On July 15 2013 06:06 geript wrote:
2. Ghost_403 replaced by Koshi
3. Oatsmaster
6. Abenson replaced by [UoN]Sentinel
8. Ace I want to call him town
21. WaveofShadow
4. Stutters695 -- 3p???
5. Z-BosoN
10. Johnnywup
11. Onegu
13. VayneAuthority
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
20. Alakasam
26. Chezinu
27. austinmcc
19. CaucasianAsian
9. MajuGarzett
This is where I'm at right now. Does it trouble you at all that NONE of your townreads are voting me? (Neither of your other scumreads are either, to be fair)
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On July 15 2013 06:08 geript wrote:
Also, @Stutters... Don't you think Austin is scum... Why are you voting with him on SnB?
Because I'm having a hard time reconciling the four immunes all being town and this wouldn't be an unreasonable bus.
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TBH I'm really just tempted to vote solely based on filter length. Really tempted by CA.
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What's pissing me off is that austin to me is like 80% scum, but I don't want to lynch him because there are so many lurkers here that are anti-town no matter what their real alignment is.
If we kill austin and he's town, we are fucked.
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On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear.
Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that.
Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy.
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On July 15 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:08 geript wrote:
Also, @Stutters... Don't you think Austin is scum... Why are you voting with him on SnB? Because I'm having a hard time reconciling the four immunes all being town and this wouldn't be an unreasonable bus.
It would be a completely unreasonable bus. No one was even thinking about SnB.
Johnny call it whatever you want: inactivity, meta, whatever. Gumshoe's play in Basterd was not even a shadow of a dick of what his play has been like here. I'm not even worried he might be town, because at this rate we wouldn't want him at LYLO as is. And the best part to me is that nobody ever brings him up. So much more likely for him to be scum for that reason to me than town.
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On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy.
Hey Ace.
Triple-cop-claim-caper.
I'm not gaming a closed setup like this.
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@Austin. My role name is Missile Defense System
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there are several lurkers Wos, you want us to just burn through all of them?
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I'm sorry Ace but what? There's not enough evidence on Austin but there IS enough evidence on SnB? Yes it's unlikely theres 4 IOs but it's possible and he's pretty lurky but is that really evidence that he's scum? I don't really think so. He may very well be scum but that's hardly enough to say so certainly that he is.
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