On July 15 2013 04:32 Stutters695 wrote:
Z-bos how is shooting down a nuke on a town risky? A scum life is worth like 4 town generally(unless it's something like the by letting him die it gives them an endgame quicker.

Risky I mean in the sense that he's gratuitously sticking his neck out for shaky-ass reasons.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 14 2013 19:38 GMT

#3102

Well good luck, 300 page thread.
why not gumshoe ace

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 14 2013 19:39 GMT

#3103

@WoS: Makes 0 sense to lynch geript today. Not unless Maju flips Scum.

Onegu/SNB; Again, 4 people claimed IO. 2 of them have died and flip Town. If you believe all 4 of them are town and can spread radiation then say so. If not, then one of SNB/Onegu must be scum.

If the nuke on Maju lands and is not real, we lynch him tomorrow. If it lands and is real he dies, and we lynch Stutters for lying. It makes no sense voting for him right now.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 14 2013 19:40 GMT

#3104

gumshoe should be getting modkilled shouldn't he? If not *shrug*

You want us to lynch a lurker?

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 14 2013 19:40 GMT

#3105

On July 15 2013 04:37 Stutters695 wrote:
I'll dive Onegu/SnB real quick when I get a chance at work. If we aren't doing Austin I can dig that.

Ace just to confirm you only received 1 nuke d2 right?

right

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

July 14 2013 19:42 GMT

#3106

On July 15 2013 04:39 Ace wrote:
@WoS: Makes 0 sense to lynch geript today. Not unless Maju flips Scum.

Onegu/SNB; Again, 4 people claimed IO. 2 of them have died and flip Town. If you believe all 4 of them are town and can spread radiation then say so. If not, then one of SNB/Onegu must be scum.

If the nuke on Maju lands and is not real, we lynch him tomorrow. If it lands and is real he dies, and we lynch Stutters for lying. It makes no sense voting for him right now.

Ugh.
It's so simple I basically can't refuse but that makes me so goddamn paranoid I'm ripping my hair out.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 14 2013 19:42 GMT

#3107

On July 15 2013 04:40 Ace wrote:
gumshoe should be getting modkilled shouldn't he? If not *shrug*

You want us to lynch a lurker?

When he is scummily different from his previous game where he was town. Yes.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

July 14 2013 19:43 GMT

#3108

ok i gotta sleep.
SnB it is
##Unvote: gumshoe
##Vote: SnB

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 14 2013 19:44 GMT

#3109

Oats I really dont see a gumshoe lynch being productive right now.

@Wos: keep your sanity. Which path do you want to go down?

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

July 14 2013 19:55 GMT

#3110

On July 15 2013 04:44 Ace wrote:
Oats I really dont see a gumshoe lynch being productive right now.

@Wos: keep your sanity. Which path do you want to go down?

At the moment I know I don't want to lynch into the Stutters/MG/You bullshit.
I suppose I could lynch SnB and apparently if I switch Koshi will too?
Oats switching makes me feel ok about it....

I know this sort of makes sense but why did SnB claim when he did? Being the last person to claim a role doesn't necessarily make you scum, an that's assuming there are only 3-4 of this one role and that one must be mafia aligned. The triple-cop-claim caper proved us very wrong in that regard and it fucked us all game. This switch that so many people are seemingly on board for reads to me like the ON switch. I didn't like that one then and you saw how it turned out.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

July 14 2013 19:55 GMT

#3111

Haven't read Onegu yet but just based off of SnB I can almost guarantee I'd be more in favor of SnB unless I catch something major.

s0Lstice

United States1833 Posts

July 14 2013 19:57 GMT

#3112

TRACKING MULTIPLE TARGETS. LOCKING...

MajuGarzett (2): ~~johnnywup]~~, ~~Ace~~, geript, ~~[UoN]Sentinel~~, ~~Alakaslam~~, ~~Stutters695~~, CaucasianAsian

Stutters695 (1): ~~[UoN]Sentinel~~, ~~CaucasianAsian~~, ~~Alakaslam~~, gumshoe

geript (3): WaveofShadow, MajuGarzett, Koshi

Z-BosoN (1): Chezinu, ~~Onegu~~

austinmcc (5): strongandbig, Alakaslam, Onegu, VayneAuthority, Stutters695

Chezinu (1): [UoN]Sentinel, ~~VayneAuthority~~

gumshoe (0): ~~Oatsmaster~~

strongandbig (2): Ace, Oatsmaster

TARGET: austinmcc is set to be obliterated!

Obliteration will occur at: 21:59 GMT (+00:00) which arrives in

Nukes can no longer be fired.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

July 14 2013 19:58 GMT

#3113

strongandbig's reads/notes this game:

scum - Vayne is xatalos if scum, johnnywup, gumshoe, DI, Nirvana.Gabo, Vayne, gumshoe, oatsmaster, oatsmaster again and possible xatalos, DI, vayne, austinmcc, vayne, DI, oatsmaster, DI/vayne/oats/austinmcc, VA/austinmcc, vayne, gumshoe, ace maybe or stutters, austinmcc, geript/austinmcc,

town - ace, rayn, ace, maybe vayne (after DI flipped), maybe maju?,

As I was poking through his filter I noticed how lopsided it was. Everyone and their mother is scum. Ace and rayn are his only townreads, and he ever drops the "why is Ace still alive if he had a nuke and is Ace?" after N2, indicates that ace maybe isn't town. However, despite calling nearly everyone scum, he barely ever mentions maju. First mention of maju is today:

On July 15 2013 01:51 strongandbig wrote:
I'm down to lynch geript for using his defense on jampi, but I'd rather lynch Austin.

I don't understand why stutters would have given ace the nuke, then told us it was fake, if it was actually real and stutters is scum. That whole concept just doesn't really compute for me, what action would he have been trying to induce by the lie.

If people really think Maju is scum then I don't think it makes sense to let the nuke land "just in case" stutters was lying and it's real. If you think Maju is scum, lynch him. Then lynch stutters if you think him lying about his role is a scum tell. But we know he lied about his role at least once, how does it make a difference if he lied a second time and the first time was actually the true one.

in which he...actually doesn't directly address maju himself. He says what others should do based on their feelings about maju.

I wanted to compare that to some recent past games.

Bastard "Mini" (snb town i think)
scum - maybe prome, yamato, zealos, sentinel, prome, zealos,
town - rayn,
3P - palmar

(Game was ended due to lack of people playing. But in his filter there, 4 people scum, 1 town, palmar 3P).

Carnival Cruise (snb scum)
scum - DarthPunk maybe, oats, obviousone (votes after sheeping WoS), either oats or obviousone, hiropro, prome maybe, oats, maybe shirokami or prplhz, maybe sloosh, maybe kush,
town - maybe slOosh and rayn, VE, WoS

Boardwalk Empire (town)
scum - "would lynch" shelvocke/artanis and maybe VE, maybe oo, artanis/shelvocke/VE, oo/shelvocke/maybe MZ, would lynch sinani or oo, oo or sharrant, oo/geript/shelvocke/sharrant, RO/vivax
town - "would not lynch" palmar, keirathi, rayn, MZ, probably sinani, geript, oatsmaster, maybe sinani/mocsta/yamato/vivax/keirathi,

RED Team's Prize (town)
scum - prplhz, maybe acro, would lynch grackaroni/nisani, acro, maybe acro, obviousone,
town - maybe acro, maybe prplhz, hapahauli (snb was one-shot medic and healed him N1),

screw it this is too much snb focus. I'm stopping once i hit this post - + Show Spoiler +

On March 30 2013 07:40 strongandbig wrote:
sinani206
~~Grackaroni~~
~~Nisani201~~
marvellosity
Oatsmaster
Acrofales
Dandel Ion
Keirathi
raynpelikoneet
strongandbig
~~Palmar~~
cDgCorazon
Hapahauli
prplhz
ObviousOne
InsertSmurfHere

The one-sidedness of snb's reads struck me as odd. It's not all of his games, and ymmv, but I personally see MORE townreads (and more reasoning in general) in his town games. In his scum game above, he had 2 hard town reads, a couple maybe town reads, and then mostly scum. In his town games, he'll post a thing of all his town/scumreads with a bunch of green names, have more people he doesn't want to lynch, etc.

(1) Game is easier for scum if they primarily have scumreads, can lynch most anyone. If you give a bunch of townreads, your lynch options are limited and come mid/lategame you have to backtrack on early townreads in order to lynch folks.

(2) I'm not super duper digging again, you can click the links yourself, but I generally found town snb to sometimes be sheepy or...he'd say like "i'll lynch these 3-4 people." In this game, he started that way on D2, giving 4 folks he'd lynch or wanted to lynch, but didn't keep with it like I saw in other games.

(3) I'm town, stutters. But after looking at this stuff, I'm fine lynching into immune ones and going after snb. His posting has been butt, he hasn't been giving much of his own thoughts this game, and he's so scumread heavy.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 14 2013 19:58 GMT

#3114

SnB is not on my radar but if you guys know him from other games then he is fine for me.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

July 14 2013 19:59 GMT

#3115

Well Wos it comes down to do you think 4 town people would be capable of spreading radiation? If you do, then it comes down to austin/vayne/stutters. Stutters isn't going to be lynched until we know about the nuke. It then comes down to austin or vayne and I don't think anyone in their right mind is viewing vayne as scum right now. Austin was already leading votes before I brought up SnB so several people are comfortable pushing him and I assume, figuring out vayne/stutters after.