EPTI don't know why but I can't shake this feeling CA is going to come in with a superb post. He is currently not voting and he has to vote or he gets modkilled.
CA please dazzle us!
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I don't know why but I can't shake this feeling CA is going to come in with a superb post. He is currently not voting and he has to vote or he gets modkilled. CA please dazzle us! | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Considering the level of gumshoe's play in Basterd and his ninja vote on Stutters, I might be ok to lynch gumshoe today if we can't agree on anyone outside the Stutters/Ace situation. Fuck the actual amount of lurk in this game. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 15 2013 00:01 Koshi wrote: Short answer is...I feel more certain. austin. I dont understand why Stutters today. Why not on D4 if the nuke is a real one? Is it lack of other targets? Because I think that CA, Chezinu, gumshoe is a better target than stutters. Chezinu because I don't get the guy but it seems you guys know wtf he is doing, but to me he is afk. Up until just recently, stutters was lurking as hard as any of those players, if not harder. Right up til last night. CA constantly posting that he's drunk/will have time later doesn't seem lovely. gumshoe's massive absences don't read lovely. Chezinu's absence and the fact that I do believe one of the more veteran players should be scum in this game don't read lovely. But with stutters, I both don't trust that second claim (choosing your type of nuke without mention of nuke types, wording, being a location rather than a person) AND there was no silent nuke D3. I read those things as more scummy than the scummy attributes of the other lurkers. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
How useful everyone in this game is. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 14 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote: His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that Think logically Vayne. What purpose would my role serve if all it did was tell someone they had a nuke they could fire via ##nuke: x and then didn't even launch. If anything that would just get whoever tried to fire lynched for "lying"about having a nuke. If I was scum there is literally 9 reason for me to claim such a role and as town it isn't a stretch to assume that them being told they received that nuke means they can fire it but won't actually do anything. If that's not the case I don't get this role at all and I'm glad it's gone now. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 14 2013 15:31 johnnywup wrote: This brings a dilemma however. If we don't lynch MG, then it's possible that scum still has 2 KP tonight, if the nuke is indeed a dud. If we mislynch it's triply bad. If we just lynch MG, okay, we lose 1 person. Of course we'll be trying to lynch scum but the possibility is troubling if we mess up. If we lynch someone else outside the situation, and it turns out to be a townie, then we lose 1 during day and 2 at night. Of course, if we lynch outside the situation and hits a scum we're in a GREAT position, we're almost done. There are 18 alive right now I believe (correct me if I miscounted) which means 14 town and 4 scum, at BEST (assuming no 3p for sake of argument--including 3p only makes it worse) So as far as I can see there's the following possibilities: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + A: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG doesn't hit. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST. B: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG hits. He's scum. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST C: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG hits. He's townie. On day 4, it's 10 townies to 4 scum at BEST D: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG doesn't hit. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum, at BEST E: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG hits. He's scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 2 scum at BEST F: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG hits. He's townie. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST + Show Spoiler + G. We lynch MG. He's scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum at BEST H. We lynch MG. He's townie. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST + Show Spoiler + I: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke doesn't land. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST J: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke lands. MG is town. On day 4, it's 10 townies to 4 scum at BEST K: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke lands. MG is scum. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST L: We lynch Stutters. He's scum. Nuke doesn't land. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum at BEST M: We lynch Stutters. He's scum. Nuke lands. MG is scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 2 scum at BEST N: We lynch stutters. He's scum. Nuke lands. MG is town. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST (assuming if we hit scum today we get rid of 1 KP, there is 5 total scum, and the rest are townie, and if we lynch MG we don't know whether or not the nuke would hit) Averaging the outcomes (if outcomes are equal---which they are obviously not, but just something to consider) Lynching outside the situation or lynching stutters: 11.833333 townies on day 4 with 3.16666 scum Lynching MG: 12 townies on day 4, 3.5 scum Lynching outside the situation therefore has more townies/scum on average, and is probably a better pick than lynching MG. Although I included lynching stutters as an option I don't think it's a good idea at all because it lends itself to REALLY bad situations imo. However I haven't taken into account that if the nuke doesn't hit then Stutters is probably town and if it does hit he's probably scum. Intuition tells me that lynching outside of the situation lends to better results if you take that into account. But back to the dilemma. Best possible scenario: Lynch outside of the situation, hit scum, nuke lands, MG flips scum. Worst possible scenario: Lynch outside of the situation, hit town, nuke lands, MG flips town. Most likely scenario IMO (sorry town but after 2 mislynches I have less faith): We lynch outside of the situation, hit town, nuke may or may not land. The problem I have is that if the nuke doesn't land we lose 3 townies for nothing in this situation, when we could have lynched a (relatively) confirmed scum. On the other hand, if we do decide to lynch MG, we get no information on Stutters from this at all. So I'm really torn. What does everyone else think? Oh yeah I meant to comment on this. I doubt you're nything bt town at this point, but mind explaining your assumption as to the KP formula in this game? If we hit scum in MG you know it's still possible scum have 2 KP tonight, right? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Ok I will try to explain it You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The role ends at target player being told they received a nuke. thats it. You do not actually make real nukes. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. Compare that to this. Choose nuke and player. Player will be told he received a nuke. NUKE WONT ALWAYS WORK BUT WILL APPEAR REAL. see? that is the difference. One claim ends at the role PM, the other goes on to say that the nuke will actually appear as real in the thread. I added the nuke won't always work part to try and keep the threat of the nuke actually blowing someone up alive. It should be pretty obvious what I adjusted considering i kept the format and the wording, only changing what made sense to show that the nuke could go off. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Get off of Maju and let's see what the nuke does today. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
geript: Wos, Maju, Austin: alaksalam, SnB Stutters: Gumshoe Z-BosoN: Onegu, Chezinu Chzinu: Sentinel This is what it is for now I think. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Day 4: MG if the nuke is fake Stutters if the nuke is real It sucks that we can only kill 1 guy a day. That's really stupid imo and makes this game pretty slow. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
But I dont agree with his choice of lynch target. I have played with scum chez and it really doesnt seem like it. Scum chez purposely makes his stuff unreadable and in general, while posting ok amounts, is really useless. This chez is not useless and is useful. Dont lynch this chez cause hes town. Lets lynch Gumshoe guys, not austin. Austin is one of the main posters and even if he is mafia, he is still helping to make the thread productive. Which is good. Not geript either. GUMSHOE ##vote Gumshoe | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 15 2013 00:34 Koshi wrote: I am willing to vote on geript, Austin, CA, gumshoe, Chezinu. In that order. Day 4: MG if the nuke is fake Stutters if the nuke is real It sucks that we can only kill 1 guy a day. That's really stupid imo and makes this game pretty slow. 2 lynches a day sounds good for this town. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On July 15 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Sentinal makes a lotta sense with the dont lynch MG cause then we dont know if stutters is lying or Ace or whatnot. But I dont agree with his choice of lynch target. I have played with scum chez and it really doesnt seem like it. Scum chez purposely makes his stuff unreadable and in general, while posting ok amounts, is really useless. This chez is not useless and is useful. Dont lynch this chez cause hes town. Lets lynch Gumshoe guys, not austin. Austin is one of the main posters and even if he is mafia, he is still helping to make the thread productive. Which is good. Not geript either. GUMSHOE ##vote Gumshoe Did you read my case on Geript? I can get behind a Gumshoe lynch if we don't have another choice atm. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=139#2767 1 question though, why not just let the nuke land on jampi? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On July 15 2013 00:34 Koshi wrote: I am willing to vote on geript, Austin, CA, gumshoe, Chezinu. In that order. Day 4: MG if the nuke is fake Stutters if the nuke is real It sucks that we can only kill 1 guy a day. That's really stupid imo and makes this game pretty slow. If for some reason the nuke goes off and it kills MG that means Ace lied about receiving a nuke and really received 2 or had one plus the one I gave him. Ideally in that case you'd lynch him over me but if it takes my flip to trade with a scum Ace so be it, I'll take that trade any day. That said that's such a convoluted and unlikely scenario considering I think Ace is town, I'm really expecting it to just fizzle. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
#Vote: Geript Unless Geript comes in here and explains this circlejerk around MG. Or apologizes for this nonsense I don't understand how this can be town play. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 15 2013 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote: this one? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=139#2767 1 question though, why not just let the nuke land on jampi? jampi could be scum and with the nuke landing on jampi, jampi could become SUPERSCUM. These are geripts his words. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
#vote: Chezinu | ||
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