EPT[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia - Page 109
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [cause it's long] + On July 10 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's Suspicion Meter™ FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 Look at the underlined. FirmTofu has already presumed that I'm scum and therefore isn't thinking about it from a perspective that I could be town. jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. Suspicion: +20 He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 Not though given for a possibility where I'm town. The Damning Evidence: We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Or instead of discrediting Rayn, I could be trying to resolve situation and bring my analysis to the attention of others. Almost everyone had taken Rays claim of the nuke at face value, believing that he actually launched it. Yet again not a single thought given from the perspective where I'm town. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Why would I push a Rayn lunch if I had yet to reach a conclusion of his alignment? You'll notice from my posts that my read on Rayn relied heavily on his potential reasons for fakeclaiming the nuke, which he didn't give until after I had already left. FirmTofu seems to be assuming I'm scum trying to lynch Rayn and is not thinking objectively. Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. Then for the actual response. + Show Spoiler [cause this is long too] + On July 10 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's Suspicion Meter™ FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. Suspicion: +20 If the town is full of lurkers, why would scum step up and become active? Why wouldn't they just lurk it out? Wouldn't is make more sense that there were probably many scum hiding amonst the lurkers? And wouldn't it therefore make more sense if I looked at the mentioned group of people? He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 The Damning Evidence: We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. I don't see how my post in any way implies I knew Rayn didn't launch the nuke. You don't even rationalize why the most core part of your suspicion is true, you just state it and leave it as it is. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
On July 11 2013 20:51 Onegu wrote: So there are 3 immune ones in the game? If you believe Chezinu and johnnywup there are also three poeple with timed nukes, so I don't why there couldn't be three Immune ones. | ||
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jampidampi
Finland386 Posts
On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote: He's just looking to nuke a target that town won't give him flack for, not actually looking for the best target. He has had scumread on VA since he ever mentioned anything about his reads, yet instead of nuking his scumread he nukes me. So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On July 11 2013 21:07 jampidampi wrote: And what going on with terrible nuker? Maju has never even mentioned me before others mention he could nuke me. Just look at this post: He's just looking to nuke a target that town won't give him flack for, not actually looking for the best target. He has had scumread on VA since he ever mentioned anything about his reads, yet instead of nuking his scumread he nukes me. It is him and FirmToufu. I don't get it as well. I made a post about it earlier. But in all fairness, you were afk for a long time. | ||
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jampidampi
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Z-BosoN
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I have a doctors appointment right now, but when I get back I'll play decently and such | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 11 2013 17:55 FirmTofu wrote: I would just like to say that Ace's post claiming he "received" a nuke sounds like bullshit to me. Both OriginalName and Alakaslam have provided us with very similar roles that both state that they can give out nukes but only on night 2. Ace is saying he received a nuke on night 1. I find this highly unlikely. Ace is probably lying, making me believe he is scum. Help me with this. There are 2 roles that say they can produce nukes, and you do not know if Alasklam is Town. So you extrapolate that me having a nuke before night 2 = me being scum. There is no evidence that nukes can only be produced on Night 2. Whoever gave me the nuke can own up to it and solve this. I've got 2 issues here with this; 1.) you knew this hours before this post and was active. You didn't claim this until jampi got nuked - why? 2.)Really? When did I say that? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On July 11 2013 21:18 jampidampi wrote: Well, gumshoe was gone for a long time aswell and he has done jackshit. Why wasn't he considered for nuking? because a few people threw your name around and you became a "popular" target. Like I said before it made sense to nuke a lurker. I'm also starting to think our lack of knowledge about roles has led to some faulty assumptions that have people trying to act like they are scumhunting but bullshitting. There are some conclusions being skipped that just aren't possible. people have told you they can spread radiation which would infect other targets. If you buy these people as pro-town, you should know they have potential anti-town powers. This should also logically follow that there may be Town players stealth nuking but not claiming. I also said I received a nuke but it's not determined if it came from Town/Scum/3P. Firmtofu automatically assumed I must be scum based off of two roles that can produce nukes Night 2. He does no analysis of these roles but instead assumes I'm lying about it and must be scum. There is a lot of critical thought missing here. | ||
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Ace
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
So my scum vote would be FirmTofu. My inactive vote goes out to Stutters and Z-bosoN if he doesn’t deliver. But I am willing to vote for MajuGarzett if it is him vs VayneAuthority, because VayneAuthority seems upright. I don’t understand why people focus him so much. Maju is just pretty afkish and is now shooting his nuke to please Town, too bad nobody really discussed his target. But yeah, who is going to save a 48 hours afk guy? I am going to travel home and see if people contest my logic, if not I am just going to do like I planned 2 hours before deadline. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11579 Posts
But I get the feeling that Ace, Oats, Xatalos (sorry if I mispelled your name), WaveofShadow, and FirmTofu. No offense to Koshi but you just joined in, so I can't really tell... Also, why is no one talking about the previous nights murders? Shouldn't that be a way to step into the minds of the scum and figure out why they lynched ryan? I feel like it was a stupid move, as he was already under a ton of heat... Maybe he was onto something? It seems absurd to murder someone who is under a lot of a fire... the same way why it was stupid for whoever it was to nuke Ace, when he had a lot of heat by people thinking he was scummy? Or was that just xalatos? Either way, why is no one talking about this? | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11579 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
On July 12 2013 00:15 CaucasianAsian wrote: my phone died... just got home, kind of drunk. but bear with me (bare with me? i don't know english apparently). But I get the feeling that Ace, Oats, Xatalos (sorry if I mispelled your name), WaveofShadow, and FirmTofu. No offense to Koshi but you just joined in, so I can't really tell... Also, why is no one talking about the previous nights murders? Shouldn't that be a way to step into the minds of the scum and figure out why they lynched ryan? I feel like it was a stupid move, as he was already under a ton of heat... Maybe he was onto something? It seems absurd to murder someone who is under a lot of a fire... the same way why it was stupid for whoever it was to nuke Ace, when he had a lot of heat by people thinking he was scummy? Or was that just xalatos? Either way, why is no one talking about this? I get feelings too. Maybe people are drunk the previous night? Who lynched ryan? I only see Alakaslam. Yeah, I think your drunk. So, now you sat murder... So, you think scum murdered rayne.. do you think scum nuked Ace? But Xatalos said he was immune to radiation... Unless, someone gave him a nuke? I think it wasn't looked at because of all the fireworks going off. Distracts... they can be pretty and interesting sometimes. Let's get back to the basics. I was going to...but there was a post right before mine about a nuclear launch being detected. | ||
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Ace
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