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Ace casually accused me of lying and twisting facts here...
On July 11 2013 08:16 Ace wrote:
just yesterday you were willing to believe the nuke came from scum after rayne's lie, and now you conveniently believe it came from 3p?
Also most everyone DID NOT assume rayne's plan was legit. Go back and read that day. You are stretching the truth of what actually happened.
On July 11 2013 08:17 Ace wrote:
wow another lie. I was focused on talking about policy?
Really?
Once again, go back and look at how we got into the no lynch thing. I NEVER said anything about no lynching. Look at who brought up that discussion when they questioned me.
1) The nuke on Meapak was clearly not pro-town. First of all, it was never claimed (town at least *should* have claimed). Secondly, it was not aimed at a lurker or lynch candidate. This all lead me to believe that it was coming from scum (or possibly an anti-town 3rd party, but more likely from scum, since they have more members and thus potentially more nukes). On the other hand, the nuke on you wasn't anti-town (you're scummy and thus useful for scum even if you're town) - but it was never claimed either (which town would have most likely done). This leads to the most logical explanation: it came from a 3rd party. If anyone sees a flaw in my logic, please point it out.
2) You're the one stretching truth here. I only said "most (everyone?)", not "most everyone". Obviously you weren't the only one, but I wrote that hastily and couldn't remember anyone else who thought rayn was a liar after he revealed his plan, so I wrote "most" and added in "(everyone?)" just in case there actually wasn't anyone else after all (although I was pretty sure there was someone else as well - geript?). I only talked about it with you, though, and the majority agreed with me, with nobody else than you visibly showing doubt, so it's ridiculous to call me a liar or even "stretching truth" based on that (maybe sub-optimal) choice of wording.
3) Correct, you never admitted to advocating a no-lynch. That would be suicide. What you did was cleverly hide it into "double-killing" someone who was already nuked. There was a slight chance that it would kill a player who was being fake-nuked or something, but - most likely, almost certainly - it would just lead to the same end result as a no-lynch. That's anti-town compared to even lynching a random lurker. You can run from the truth but you can't hide.
On July 11 2013 16:05 Chezinu wrote:
4. Stutters695
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
19. CaucasianAsian
5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel)
13. VayneAuthority
22. jampidampi
This list is actually Chezinu's most significant contribution so far. Granted, it's not much, but providing it without being under any pressure makes me feel slightly better about him being chaotic evil town rather than chaotic evil scum. I also agree with the list except CA (too random ramblings and thought patterns to be crafted IMO).
On July 11 2013 17:08 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 16:57 Xatalos wrote:On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote:
I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.) Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff). Just says we wont know when we are infected so I kinda figured the nukes would be silent, so I gave it a shot, you should def visit someone tonight though. I am eating lunch then will read the entire thread again and be more active.
Hmm. You mean the radiation nukes could be invisible and unnotified? I doubt that. Maybe I should ask hosts some questions about this next though (they revealed surprisingly much last time I asked).
On July 11 2013 20:18 xigxag wrote:
Great, by the time I finally read the whole thread I've already been nuked. I was so excited to hunt scum and finally play the game. Screw you guys I'm leaving and I'm taking my ball, in this case my brain, with me.
On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote:
Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now.
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.
So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke.
LOL. Just... lol. Both of these reactions to being nuked are basically "fuck you all, not gonna play anymore". Reminds me a lot of Meapak's (as scum) reaction to being day-vigi'd in PTP: "that's some bullshit". Basically: angry - insulting - martyring - stop giving any additional information with your flip. Compare this to me or Meapak (heck, even Ace!!!) after being nuked: continuing to play, discussing and scumhunting. I have zero regrets for XigXag and jampidampi being nuked atm. And I can accept why saving Ace might have been okay - at least his reaction to being nuked was townish, heavily unlike XigXag and jampidampi.
On July 10 2013 23:26 strongandbig wrote:
Hi newbmen
I want to lynch vayne today. Or possibly Austin, or if someone writes a big case on someone else I'll consider it. I don't want to lynch ace yet but I guess I will actually have to look into his filter if people really want to go for him. Can someone summarize or make explicit the case on him?
This post just drips red all around. "I want to lynch VA, oh maybe austin, if I can easily sheep someone I'll do it, I don't want to lynch Ace atm but if I can sheep someone to him that's fine too". Basically anyone is fine unless strongandbig has to actually pursue his own reads(?) or, the horror, scumhunt!!
On July 09 2013 07:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 07:11 Xatalos wrote:
Btw GUMSHOE why did you ninjavote ON despite never even suspecting him? Like, what? Your last post in the thread is like ages ago. I just voted with who I thought was town. I havent actually caught up on the thread though seeing as I'm a litte hung up on losing Basterd and not getting any nukes. Though I'm hoping not to massively disappoint you again in the exact same matter XD I'll provide as many reads as I can before the night deadline. Mean time same deal as before, any direct requests?
This shows the same (or almost equally bad) attitude to scumhunting. I thought you were town gumshoe 
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Abenson was pretty scummy and Sentinel (his replacement) hasn't done much yet to prove otherwise. Nuking XigXag is an okay start though, I guess.
So now XigXag and jampidampi are dead. That's fine with me. Ace being saved made me enraged at first, but upon comparing the reactions of XigXag/jampidampi vs. Ace to being nuked, I can see a case for Ace being town. That's why MajuGarzett shall remain as my vote. VA could be an option as well, but I really doubt that MG and VA are scum together and MG flipping scum would (at least partially) clear VA, and I feel MG is the scummiest of these two, so he should be our lynch atm. Nuking jampidampi is fine in itself, but the way he "put the blame off of him" and didn't nuke his own scumreads isn't a townish approach to using KP.
On July 12 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
jampi, im pretty sure you are town now, help us out and dump reads.
Why is jampidampi suddenly town?
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On July 12 2013 01:15 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace who are you voting?
I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town.
Oats you too. @WoS you can sheep me b/c I'm voting Maju. You know I'm town. And I know you're town because you wouldn't lie about your kid being sick and you wouldn't use your kid being sick as an excuse for lurking (imo) unless you were town.
Ah, the perfect example to bring up marv's patented 'dick move analysis.' (Anyone from Basterd should get this)
To be completely honest I don't think I've ever lied about RL stuff in a game of mafia just to lurk but that's beside the point. Geript I'm NOT sure you're town as I stated much earlier in the thread and now considering your massive inactivity period as well.
I will vote Maju though because I remember wanting him dead earlier and his actions haven't shown him to be doing anything other than trying to survive.
On July 12 2013 01:19 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:17 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace who are you voting?
I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town.
Oats you too. On top of that people should vote maju because he was exceptionally focused on "getting his nuke off." As town, he would've and should've been spending the first 24 hours getting a consensus town nuke target or trying to form reads to make his nuke work. Instead, he's ancy to fire it off and does so in the last few minutes. Not town motivation there especially when heats coming on him. right. He was looking for confirmation on who to nuke instead of being proactive about it.
To be fair, didn't you guys accuse me of the same thing when I redirected the MZ nuke?
##Vote: Maju
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On July 12 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:19 Ace wrote:On July 12 2013 01:17 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Ace who are you voting? I'll sheep you because + Show Spoiler +You guys should really start reading inside of these quotes. It's super techy to read inside of quotes and I don't think scum would ever think to read inside of them. Let's be upfront and honest and form a circle using quote text to each other I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town. Oats you too. On top of that people should vote maju because he was exceptionally focused on "getting his nuke off." As town, he would've and should've been spending the first 24 hours getting a consensus town nuke target or trying to form reads to make his nuke work. Instead, he's ancy to fire it off and does so in the last few minutes. Not town motivation there especially when heats coming on him. right. He was looking for confirmation on who to nuke instead of being proactive about it. To be fair, didn't you guys accuse me of the same thing when I redirected the MZ nuke? ##Vote: Maju
This is fair, but so far all of the nukes we've seen (save perhaps for the mysterious nukes) have been on a deadline. You can expect town to act differently when they know that they do X or are going to die. There's a major responsibility there that we haven't seen any trend towards from Maju. A redirect is similar, but not quite the same as if you don't use the ability you wouldn't die (afaik).
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On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote:
Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now.
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.
So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke.
Yeah, pretty much. You didn't respond to any of my accusations so I decided you were a better vigi target than Vayne. Had you responded, I would have recommended Maju to nuke Vayne.
You claim a role which 2 people have claimed already. You have no breadcrumb trail to aid your cause, unlike Onegu. You are far from confirmed town yet.
I'm not going to address your defense yet because you are a dead man walking.
On July 11 2013 23:03 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 17:55 FirmTofu wrote:On July 11 2013 09:59 Ace wrote:
well it is the way it is. I'm also going to probably nuke someone before I die since I got a PM stating I received a nuke. Right now I want to target one of the lurkers. In the event you or Xalatos (if he is town) go down this will become a lurkfest. I would just like to say that Ace's post claiming he "received" a nuke sounds like bullshit to me. On July 11 2013 14:27 Alakaslam wrote:Original Message From marvellosity:
You are a Russian Technician! Working for the motherland, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2. Both OriginalName and Alakaslam have provided us with very similar roles that both state that they can give out nukes but only on night 2. Ace is saying he received a nuke on night 1. I find this highly unlikely. Ace is probably lying, making me believe he is scum. Help me with this. There are 2 roles that say they can produce nukes, and you do not know if Alasklam is Town. So you extrapolate that me having a nuke before night 2 = me being scum. There is no evidence that nukes can only be produced on Night 2. Whoever gave me the nuke can own up to it and solve this. I've got 2 issues here with this; 1.) you knew this hours before this post and was active. You didn't claim this until jampi got nuked - why? 2.)Really? When did I say that?
We have yet to hear from a role that can give out nukes on night 1. If any such person wants to claim and exonerate you, I would be willing to reconsider a lynch on you. Otherwise, you need to be under scrutiny.
1) We were running on a strict time limit. Bringing you up would derail the thread and confuse Maju. We needed a lurker dead, and I needed to focus on that task before moving on to the next one.
2) When did you say what?
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On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target.
geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot?
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On July 12 2013 01:38 Ace wrote:
this game is awesome.
So you have a nuke atm? Can you theoretically nuke yourself? 
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On July 12 2013 01:43 Xatalos wrote:So you have a nuke atm? Can you theoretically nuke yourself?
That would be super duper amazing. ^_^
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@Firm: I didn't say I received the nuke Night 1. I got the PM in the middle of the day.
@Xalatos: I probably can
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On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target.
The one on jampidampi? Why?
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On July 12 2013 01:44 Ace wrote:@Firm: I didn't say I received the nuke Night 1. I got the PM in the middle of the day. @Xalatos: I probably can
Go for it!
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On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot?
Why are you of all people asking me?
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I'll be home an hour before deadline.
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On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me?
Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments.
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Seriously though, Ace.
A) Will you apologize for playing that race... no, calling me a liar?
B) Who are you planning to nuke? Would you follow my opinion?
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On July 12 2013 01:49 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me? Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments.
Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy?
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On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:49 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me? Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments. Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy?
Err I mean 2 shot town guy.
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On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:49 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me? Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments. Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy?
Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. If you are 1 shot and he is 2 shot, he is likely scum. If you are both 2 shot, we can't really tell one way or another.
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On July 12 2013 01:50 Xatalos wrote:
Seriously though, Ace.
A) Will you apologize for playing that race... no, calling me a liar?
B) Who are you planning to nuke? Would you follow my opinion?
Ah you can't even nuke anymore today. Why did you claim then, if you weren't going to nuke?
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On July 12 2013 01:51 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:49 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me? Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments. Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy? Err I mean 2 shot town guy.
Not sure how the roles are distributed on TL, but isn't this rather unlikely? Why would some town blues be strictly better than others? If I am wrong in this assumption, then don't bother telling me. I don't understand why you don't want to say one way or another, though.
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