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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 15:51 GMT
#2181
On July 11 2013 23:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Explain Koshi.

COME ON.

I don't know what I got to explain because I think I explained myself pretty well.
FirmTofu is maybe not 100% scum, but he is without doubt disruptive and likes to take matters into his own hands. While he seems to be always wrong... So I dislike him the most in this game.
And for my lynch, it comes down to this: I like Vayne better than MG. If 1 deserves to die out of those 2 it is MG.
I had a good night of sleep.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 11 2013 15:52 GMT
#2182
CURRENT TARGETS. TRACKING....


Ace (1): Xatalos, FirmTofu

jampidampi (0): FirmTofu, Chezinu

austinmcc (1): Oatsmaster

XigXag (2): austinmcc, [UoN]Sentinel, WaveofShadow

MajuGarzett (4): VayneAuthority, Xatalos, [UoN]Sentinel, jampidampi

VayneAuthority (3): MajuGarzett, Alakaslam, Chezinu

[UoN]Sentinel (1): CaucasianAsian


TARGET: MajuGarzett is set to be obliterated!

Obliteration will occur at: 21:59 GMT (+00:00) which arrives in

Nukes can no longer be fired.
ATOBTTR
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 15:54 GMT
#2183
On July 12 2013 00:15 CaucasianAsian wrote:
my phone died... just got home, kind of drunk. but bear with me (bare with me? i don't know english apparently).

But I get the feeling that Ace, Oats, Xatalos (sorry if I mispelled your name), WaveofShadow, and FirmTofu. No offense to Koshi but you just joined in, so I can't really tell...

Also, why is no one talking about the previous nights murders? Shouldn't that be a way to step into the minds of the scum and figure out why they lynched ryan? I feel like it was a stupid move, as he was already under a ton of heat... Maybe he was onto something? It seems absurd to murder someone who is under a lot of a fire... the same way why it was stupid for whoever it was to nuke Ace, when he had a lot of heat by people thinking he was scummy? Or was that just xalatos? Either way, why is no one talking about this?

Don't forget to vote before you fall asleep on the toilet k? You got 1 warning already.
Also, I am not offended that you dont get feelings about me when you are drunk.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 15:56 GMT
#2184
Ahh nvm... He already voted on [UoN]Sentinel (1)...
I had a good night of sleep.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
July 11 2013 15:56 GMT
#2185
On July 12 2013 00:50 Ace wrote:
^^^drunk

You win 100,000 Cheznos!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 11 2013 16:00 GMT
#2186
Expand your read on FirmTofu Koshi cause I disagree.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 11 2013 16:05 GMT
#2187
##Vote MajuGarzett
His nuke was really weird, he asked for suggestions than nuked like an hour later on someone who he had no scumread on before. Also this vote.
I'm willing to give DI's replacement some time. As there were others who suspected VA and none on Onegu

##Vote: VayneAuthority

how bandwagonny is this. So much bandwagon and caring that your vote looks good rather than its on scum.
See you dudes after the flip.

jampi, im pretty sure you are town now, help us out and dump reads.
No gg, No skill.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 11 2013 16:09 GMT
#2188
Lets not turn this into basterd mini mafia again, take claims with a grain of salt as I'm sure scum have fake roleclaims. I could see any of the roles mentioned as being town or scum. There is probably even roles that are on both sides, like Immune one. Don't assume people are town just because they claim a role.
I come in for the scraps
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 16:10 GMT
#2189
Maju is definitely the lynch. Oats is right in that that nuke was fucking terrible. Not a bad choice but people shouldn't need reassurance to want to nuke a lurker. It's stark contrast from Whoops who nuked his own target and had reasons for the target.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 16:13 GMT
#2190
He's all up on Onegu and VA then decides... "I'll nuke either VA or Jampi. I need help deciding." Then after getting feedback all over the place he decides to listen to FT to fire the nuke. Why not Stutters instead of Jampi?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 11 2013 16:14 GMT
#2191
Ace who are you voting?
I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town.
Oats you too.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 16:15 GMT
#2192
On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace who are you voting?
I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town.
Oats you too.

@WoS you can sheep me b/c I'm voting Maju. You know I'm town. And I know you're town because you wouldn't lie about your kid being sick and you wouldn't use your kid being sick as an excuse for lurking (imo) unless you were town.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 16:17 GMT
#2193
On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace who are you voting?
I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town.
Oats you too.

On top of that people should vote maju because he was exceptionally focused on "getting his nuke off." As town, he would've and should've been spending the first 24 hours getting a consensus town nuke target or trying to form reads to make his nuke work. Instead, he's ancy to fire it off and does so in the last few minutes. Not town motivation there especially when heats coming on him.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 11 2013 16:18 GMT
#2194
I'm waiting on Tofu to get back and answer my last post then I'll vote.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 11 2013 16:19 GMT
#2195
On July 12 2013 01:17 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace who are you voting?
I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town.
Oats you too.

On top of that people should vote maju because he was exceptionally focused on "getting his nuke off." As town, he would've and should've been spending the first 24 hours getting a consensus town nuke target or trying to form reads to make his nuke work. Instead, he's ancy to fire it off and does so in the last few minutes. Not town motivation there especially when heats coming on him.


right. He was looking for confirmation on who to nuke instead of being proactive about it.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 16:20 GMT
#2196
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
July 11 2013 16:20 GMT
#2197
Hey guys I woke up. Still gotta read the thread so don't go bananas just yet.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 11 2013 16:22 GMT
#2198
Can WoS still misdirect?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
July 11 2013 16:22 GMT
#2199
So these are all the posts FirmTofu made before arguing with VA. It is kinda obvious that FirmTofu wants VA killed.
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2013 16:40 FirmTofu wrote:
Sorry I took so long. I got burned out from reading the thread and having to update my reads based on incoming information so I took a long break from the thread.

I've completed nearly all my player profiles and am ready to give geript my top three scumreads.

VayneAuthority:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=17#329
Unjustified reason to vote someone. It could be a poke, but it remains unclear.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=25#495
Advocates lynching for information. Acknowledges that he could flip town. A town would push their lynch under the assumption that they were scum.
Starting to focus on what will happen post-flip indicating that he doesn't want to take the heat on a town flip.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=28#554
Highlighting play that strikes him as PR. Why would town do this?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=29#568
Accuses Caucasian, who seems like an easy target considering he only has one post and was drunk.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=34#669
Adds Dandel to the list of lynch targets.

WaveOfShadow:
His fluff extends a bit too far into the day. Most of his posts are non-contributing/restating what has already been said.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=19#375
Refers to "town players" as an entity that he is not a part of. Very scummy.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=20#383
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=20#392
Voices his opinion of Johnny based on a misinterpretation of his post, then waits for someone else to vote him before hopping on the wagon.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=24#464
Defensive post. Why is he so worried about a wagon on him if the people voting him have a bad case against him? He should be pursuing his reads, not wasting time defending himself from a "weak" wagon.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=25#482
Seems to understand scum methodology and could be trying to WIFOM us with his play.

I haven't read many of his newer posts, so I will update my read of him as I continue reading.

Nirvana.Gabo:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=29#566
Idiotic reason to vote Onegu. Looking for reasons to vote, instead of looking for actual scumslips. Could be a scumbuddy defense of a teammate in Chez. We will need to see the flip to know for sure.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=29#576
Mistaking newbieness for scum play. Seems to be a deliberate ploy to accuse Onegu of something that isn't there.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=31#619
Has a town read on Ace. Convenient. Reiterating what many others have already stated.




I would like to pursue either a Vayne or Nirvana lynch, but would be willing to defer to a lynch of WoS. First, I need to read further into the thread to see whether he has redeemed himself or not.

For now,
Vote ##: VayneAuthority


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch.

Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this?

Why would Vayne...
1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is.
2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics.
3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content"

We need to lynch this guy ASAP.


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 09 2013 04:47 FirmTofu wrote:
Can we look at Vayne please? He still has not responded to my accusations.

Link 1
Link 2


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 09 2013 05:36 FirmTofu wrote:
I just voted ON because the case against him is far better than the one against Dandel and unfortunately, no one is looking at VA seriously.


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 09 2013 06:42 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 06:39 geript wrote:
@Tofu You vote is currently being 100% wasted on Vayne righ tnow. TIme to pick a horse in a 2 horse race.

I'd rather stick to my guns this time around. Let's have a discussion and maybe you can convince me in the next 20 minutes.


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 10 2013 07:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I'm back and rearing to post. My top 3 scum reads are:
jampidampi
Ace
VayneAuthority

Gonna make a post explaining why in just a bit.


Between above and below post he makes a case vs jumpi.
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 10 2013 09:58 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Talk to me about other people, who are you looking at as being scum?

Ace and Vayne. I've already talked in length about VA, so I won't bore you again.

As for Ace, I might make a post on him somewhere down the line, but for now, I would like to focus on jampidampi whom I consider to be the best lynch target today.


+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2013 12:25 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 11:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote:
Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju?


If oats is scum then well played, he's been saving my town reads all day. Will deal with him at lylo if I have to.

(1)Tofu is null he could go either way for me, He has reads and is contributing though so I like that he's actively participating and not hiding in the shadows when it's pretty easy to do so this game.

you, no comment. Others seem to understand your play better than I do so ill leave it to them

sentinel just joined in for Abenson who was pretty fucking scummy, must watch. He just voted for maju and nuked xig so we will have great info after today on him.

Chezinu lol

(2)If maju flips scum The one that looks the worst in this group is probably you/tofu to be honest.

You, because apparently you have a lot of scum traits going for you from the input of people that have played with you and you seem to actively be trying to get into my head which isn't necesarily very townie, its more of a manipulatory way of seeing if I am a threat to you or not.

(3)Tofu because he's been pushing weird lynches all game and not really contributing to the flow of the game at all. He's not giving us any info to work with, he's just tossing his vote around which has produced scum in the past.

Before I get back to reading the thread, I would like to address this scummy post.

I have numbered and bolded the relevant statements so it is easier for you to see.
(1) He claims I am null to him.
(2) He says that I somehow look bad if maju flips scum, implying that his death would tell something about me.
(3) In his explanation of why, he fails to speak about anything that relates Maju to me and says I am scummy based on points that should have been addressed in (1) itself.

He effectively contradicted himself within his own post while simultaneously failing to justify why I would appear scummy if maju flips scum.

Thank you Vayne, for further justifying my scum read on you.


Then when he gets to chance to actually kill VA, he says to MG that if MG nukes VA, MG is suspicious and should be looked at. Which means "I am going to add another vote to your name next lynch". I explain it in the post below.
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 11 2013 18:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 17:22 FirmTofu wrote:
@Maju
Please nuke jampidampi. I will be forced to look at you very closely if you choose Vayne. jampidampi has not even posted in the past 24 hours. He is a perfect vigi shot. I would rather engage in some meaningful conversation with Vayne than just outright vigi him.

I don't really understand this post FirmTofu. You have been targeting Vayne the entire game, you even bickered with him to the point that Vayne doesn't want to talk to you, and now you want to target jampi over Vayne? That's kinda strange. Also, nobody is suspecting jampi at all, it's just an inactive kill. Which is never bad but meh...

That being said, I became a Vayne fan over night. He had a clean fight with FirmTofu. I don't think that they are both on scumteam. I did like the read that FirmTofu did on Vayne though, that was indeed a contradicting post from Vayne. But I don't understand why FirmTofu is so against Vayne, but then strongarms a guy that is probably going to get lynched into shooting his nuke on Jampi...


Then about my lynch target. I don't really have a target yet, I think that if both XigXag (who hasn't posted yet?) and Maju turn out to be town, then [UoN]Sentinel is 100% scum that just decided to yolo his way in this game and shoot 2 people. Kinda obvious but I don't got anything else concrete. I am just going to wait till 2 hours before deadline and then decide between the 2 players with the highest vote count and vote on one of them and give my reasoning.


I don't understand how you can feel so strongly about somebody, and then when you can kill him off, you say "oh let's take the guy that hasn't posted in 48 hours." This guy also roleclaimed now and seems to be town. So...

But I am willing to wait on FirmTofu till the nuke falls. I am just putting my ideas out there for the moment.
I had a good night of sleep.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 16:22 GMT
#2200
He said he was one-shot. But Oats said he was one-shot too...
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