Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII - Page 13

On June 27 2013 10:23 Aquanim wrote:
@Chromatically: What makes you think that "mostly agrees with you, but doesn't have time to fully flesh out his ideas and make his own thread impact" isn't a reasonable explanation for LoneMeow's play to date?

Also, I think Spicy would have looked a LOT worse if he'd backflipped on his Xzavier read. In fact I can't see any reason why he'd vote Xzavier if he was scum.

On June 27 2013 11:32 Aquanim wrote:

Still wrong. My read on LoneMeow is null.

On June 27 2013 11:39 Aquanim wrote:
To make myself absolutely clear, I am not convinced that Onegu is town. For me he is clearly in the scummier half of the players in this game. However, I am not convinced enough that he is scum to make a serious commitment to lynching him less than an hour into the day when we are 1 mislynch away from 4-3 LYLO (afaik in the entire history of TL mafia, town has won from that position exactly once).

I will continue to examine his play myself, and if my view of his play should change my attitude to his wagon will change also. For now I'd like to discuss Spicy and StiMaDDict, as well as Onegu, as potential lynches today.

To date the only person who has responded to my points about Spicy was Chromatically. I'd like to hear some other opinions.

On June 27 2013 18:19 Aquanim wrote:
@Onegu: The prevailing thread sentiment at the moment appears to be that you are a favoured lynch for today. I imagine you don't want that, so who do you think we should lynch instead? Your goal should be to persuade the thread that your scum read is more likely to flip scum than you are.

On June 28 2013 00:02 Aquanim wrote:
That being said,
@Onegu: If you are in fact town, the way to convince us of that is to post and to show you are seriously analysing the game and looking for scum.

On June 28 2013 15:55 Aquanim wrote:

This is true. However, if he did see a Tracker or a Jailkeeper, whoever that is should claim as they will 100% prove that Alakaslam is scum.

Revealing a power role is definitely worth a 100% confirmed lynch.

On June 28 2013 20:42 Aquanim wrote:

Why did they have to know? Alakaslam's claim that Onegu visited Hurricane (as opposed to visiting anyone else) could just be a coincidence.

On June 28 2013 21:17 Aquanim wrote:
Oh damn, I forgot the most important reason why scum can't fakeclaim Watcher:

Scum essentially have to shoot a Watcher since he is too great a threat to them.

A Tracker? - not so much. There's a reasonable chance that they won't target the scum, at least not the ones with the nightkill. Scum could plausibly shoot a strong townie over the Tracker IMO, if only to introduce WIFOM.

A Watcher, on the other hand, is much more likely to watch the nightkill target - and get a basically confirmed scum every time he does.

If a claimed Watcher doesn't die he is very likely to be scum - Watcher is a crazy powerful town role.

On June 29 2013 10:52 Aquanim wrote:

LoneMeow voted for Alakaslam FIRST

He just decided to vote again, god knows why

On June 27 2013 10:28 Chromatically wrote:
Things I don't like about LoneMeow


This post seems like Meow really doesn't want to rock the boat at all and draw attention to himself. He pressures me in the most non-confrontational possible way, and then agrees with me on Xzavier. He doesn't offer any original opinions (or any other opinions at all). This is a theme throughout his posting.


This vote has very, very little reasoning behind it. Xzav happened to be, even at this point, the closest thing that town had to a consensus on a scumread. I had started pressuring hz right before this post, so Meow calls him town (leaving wiggle room, of course) because that was what everyone besides me was saying.

He doesn't offer a single original opinion here. He doesn't offer any opinions at all, in fact, other than the ones that were widely agreed upon.

He asks some questions to the other lurkers, but never follows up on them. This really shows that he's not actually interested in what they say. He's only doing it to look like he's interacting with the town.


This is posted when the Xzav lynch is uncertain (only Meow, me, and Aqua onboard). Several people were defending Xzav at this point. Meow makes sure to leave an out, so that way he can switch off easily if need be ("I wasn't as sure and my town reads were defending him").


Right as the case on Stim is posted, and a Stim wagon is a very real possibility, Meow comes in and says that he'd be willing to switch. Notice how he's continually leaving his options open: he has an excuse to either stay on Xzav or switch to Stim if necessary. Both of these reads are carbon copies of the town sentiment.


That's almost all of his posts.

Remember how he just said that he'd switch to Stim if he never came back? Didn't happen. Meow never mentions Stim again after this, because the wagon on Stim doesn't happen.

Literally every read that he has is exactly what the town is thinking. He doesn't offer his own opinion on anyone besides the centers of attention, Xzav/Stim (and a little hz). He also leaves his options wide open just in case he needs to move.

He posts just enough so that he's seen as the most town of the lurkers, but that's exactly what scum would do as a lurker. Meow has been blending in and not drawing attention to the max, the ESSENTIAL characteristic of scum play.

On June 29 2013 12:20 FirmTofu wrote:

Instead of me making a case for Spicy, I want you to make one first. This will greatly help us as a team because I trust you and you trust me as sincere town. We can bounce ideas off of each other without having to suspect one another's motives.

I want you to find everything that you think makes Spicy scummy and anything that makes you think Spicy is town. Please don't look at this exercise through "I've got to convince everyone that Aquanim is mafia" glasses. I want you to analyze Spicy from an unbiased point of view and give me your thoughts about him, good or bad.

Try not to convince me one way or the other, just try to present each individual point and explain why you feel a certain way about it.

On June 30 2013 00:56 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Case on stim.

d1 he picks aqua as a target and votes him at the very end not really affecting the vote. he blows up aquas position on nn policy and r a ils on him for the xzavier vote. What I see here is a scum on scum vote meqnt to be used later for cred in the event aqua dies. D2 stim disappears again till qn hour before the vote and claims ignorance of the situation. He fake buys his time asking questions and seeing the votes. Knowing that slam will be killed regardless of the vot3, he votes against it for town cred. Also he is actually active in the post lynch talk.... but why? Because scum only need 1 misslynch to win so hes trying hard now to get there.

On June 30 2013 02:04 hzflank wrote:


Gah I did not want this posted yet :p

A case where Stim and Aqua are both scum is almost zero.

On June 30 2013 02:03 hzflank wrote:


Context is important. Not all games have Jailkeepers. Not all games lose two greens on day 1 and a blue on night one.

We know that either Hurricane was tracked or Hurricane is Framer. We did not know that at the time, but the scum team knew it.

When Aqua wanted the roleblocked claim we did not know whether or not we had a Jailkeeper, and the scum team did not know this either.

Assuming that Hurricane is town: which team had the most to gain from knowing whether someone was roleblocked?

The information allowed the scum team to pin down Hurricane's role (they already tracked him). They already killed a blue on night one and a JK kill on night 2 would have been the best scenario for them. Also, the scum team knew that Onegu might claim today. He could be counter claimed by a Watcher or Tracker. If a Tracker counter claimed then the scum got a 100% read on Hurricane's role.

On the other hand, the information allowed the town to know that there is no roleblocker or JK in the game. What benefit did the town gain from knowing that?

I swear, the second I read Aqua's Public Service Announcement I face-palmed. I did not think that Aqua was scum as he was in my town list, but I did think that he was making a mistake.

On June 30 2013 02:12 hzflank wrote:


I have been thinking a lot about Mafia as this is my first game. One of the reasons we are losing if because the town players are playing Mafia very badly. We are letting the scum pretend to be bad town. We are defending scum so that they do not have to defend themselves.

I am as guilty of this as anyone. However, we need to start actually playing the game if we want to win.