EPTCatch 22 Mafia - Page 9
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marvellosity
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Tell me what you're thinking about him, then? | ||
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On June 23 2013 21:14 Ange777 wrote: Just to be clear, I had Cora as town until that halfhearted push on goodkarma. But take that push and his seemingly opportunistic (blue) role claim or not claim (why even mention it? Mentioning it can only be in order to make people doubt their scum read on him and will make him prone for possible roleblocks) and I don't see how you can so happily put him on your town list. If he is indeed mafia, then mafia will have to waste their roleblock on him now, rather than searching for 'real' blues. I'd argue the blue-claim is more him being a dejected arse. | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 23 2013 21:28 Ange777 wrote: Well if he is indeed mafia, then I believe he has sucessfully made town worry about killing off their blues. I assume you meant "if he is indeed blue"? I am racking my brain but I really have difficulties to understand what you are trying to explain to me. Is it this? Cora has a town read on DarthPunk (flipped scum). He says he doesn't want his town read DarthPunk dead, therefore votes goodkarma. Only if we know that goodkarma is green and Cora tried to push the lynch from a scum player to a town player, we can peg him as scum? What if - speculations incoming - goodkarma is a mafia goon. Losing their mafia goon instead of their godfather would certainly be a better trade, especially as DarthPunk is considered a better scum player than goodkarma by a lot of us. If the above really is what you wanted to tell me, than I don't think it's logic is as sound as you think it is. No, I meant if he's mafia fakeclaiming, then they're gonna have to hide their roleblock on him otherwise he's gonna have to answer some tricky questions. So they won't be roleblocking other, potential blues. Also no, that's not what I was getting at at all. Sigh. That's not what I've written either, I guess it's a language barrier thing. I'm trying to say that Corazon would look signifcantly *worse* if GK was also scum rather than if GK was town (because in this scenario Corazon barely tried to get the lynch off DP). | ||
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marvellosity
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What the fuck is wrong with so many people this game going "why u talk about x" when every single time it's because the person was asked about x. Christ. | ||
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On June 23 2013 22:28 Ange777 wrote: Marv, I remember you being pretty active and vocal and pushy. You feel very reserved in this game. And I don't like that. How did you go from here ... ... to here ... ... to here in the end? You were willing to lynch Sloosh or me in your first post. Later on, both of us had only posted a "I am back." post and you seem to have forgotten about wanting to lynch one of us. What is missing as well is commenting on goodkarma between the first post and your vote post. In your list post, you had three possible lynch candidates. Even if you take away Obvious after your conversation, you still had two other candidates. And you gave both of them a pretty easy way out because neither of us was really pressured when we came back. Instead you vote someone who you said could possibly be town as well. If we assume that you had put Sloosh and me on the To Kill List because of inactivity, nothing really promised that we would be more active just by the "I am back post". Combine the above with you trying to soft push for a goodkarma lynch instead of DarthPunk repeatedly (which goodkarma himself already pointed out as possibly scum motivated), I am very suspicious of you right now. I don't really see the problem? Unless you currently have a scumread on yourself or on slOosh? By that point Obvious had already started making me re-evaluate my read on DP from leaning town-do not lynch to these are valid points-how comfortable am I lynching him. Although neither of you had posted much since you got back to the thread, what you'd posted seemed reasonable enough and that was borne out by how the time leading up to the lynch developed. I don't really understand what I'm supposed to be answering for here. There were literally no strong wagons at all until late in the day, and your contention is that I was mafia just crossing my fingers and hoping we lynched a townie without doing anything about it? Are you serious? | ||
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On June 24 2013 00:54 ObviousOne wrote: Holy shit Oats has one solitary scum game in his profile and it's Ego? I'm fucked. He was scum in Dr Who | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:01 slOosh wrote: Hey marv, could you do me a favor and reread Hapa's filter concerning his stance on DP / GK? I want to see if you come to the same conclusion as I did. Not really interested in doing that, I've got a pretty decent townread on Hapa. | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:35 slOosh wrote: >.> Please comment on the main content of my post rather than the little blurb. There's not a great deal to say about it. I agree, objectively it doesn't look great. In an extremely similar fashion to how my actions around the lynch don't look great either. I can fully empathise with his stance. This 'objectively' not looking great stuff is, for me, easily trumped by the meta read and feels I have on Hapa, and his extremely clear interest in the game and in constructive dialogue with other players. Further I'd note that at least a couple of your quotes deal with him saying that assuming DP was the secret voter was stupid, and he was right, DP wasn't the secret voter. I'm not sure what you're trying to make of that. | ||
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You said he was using the secret vote to lynch into the lurkers, I understood it that he wanted to lynch into the lurkers anyway, and he was stating that there was a decent chance the secret vote came from them. | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:46 slOosh wrote: Perhaps the order was flipped, but it should stand as a point against, not for, voting lurkers, based on his previous post no? The two are distinct. 1) hapa wants to lynch into lurkers --- 2) the secret vote could well have come from lurkers --- 1 isn't because of 2, 1 and 2 are just co-existing. I think you're reading WAY too much into what he said about his assumptions of where the secret vote came from. | ||
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 My bet is that I understood it correctly, naturally ^^ | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:52 slOosh wrote: You may very well be correct - if you think it's a null point, that's fine, not worth hashing out another page to clarify a small part of the larger case. pg 57~60 when you can please! I just browsed it and you're going to have to be very specific about what you're looking for. Maybe I'm confirmation biasing because I think Hapa looks pretty town, but Hapa comes out of that looking better than rayn does imo, and I believe I've stated similar already. The main thing I took from that is him neglecting to name me in people who are hard to mislynch, when my ratio is better than his. Curses. | ||
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marvellosity
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The thing we must absolutely not do is let players like gk and ShiaoPi slink by through lynches as town wonderfully lynches into active players. Any of you who played or watched Smurf, think about that game and why I'm saying this. | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: marvellosity do you think my case on Hapa boiled down to him being asleep and him and yamato both being scum and nothing more when you read it? The three main points as I see them are 1) his suspicions on you are dodgy (which I agreed with at the time) 2) he was taking yamato's answers at face-value and accepting them 3) he wasn't being town-leadery | ||
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On June 24 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: And 4) He suddenly went off from questioning GK, his top scumread and focused on completely different things. Now, how does Hapa's answers to me last night make sense again? Shrug, he wasn't being 100% reasonable but to be honest neither were you. The dialogue was all kinda useless. If you're interested in some supplementary reading, go check out Palmar's smurf game from last autumn. Hapa was playing under the smurf Douglas Quaid and was at various points not particularly reasonable to suspicions directed at him. The way I read the exchanges with you is that he felt your suspicions on him weren't justified and he was just shutting them down arrogantly. The issue with this is that it doesn't really help the person with the scumread on him stop having a scumread on him (you can see that in the game I referenced too), but on the other hand in the situation I think that Hapa is town, I can understand him doing that. In all honesty I'd much rather Hapa talked about this with you rather than me talking about this with you, because this is only my interpretation. If you / others in the thread perceive how he dealt with your case as a problem, then he needs to deal with it himself. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:24 Hapahauli wrote: @ Marv Can you explain your reads on sloOsh (seemingly null) and Coag (strong town) respectively? I have sloOsh at very strong town given how much sense he's making. Also regardless of GK's allignment, he was the hammer vote on the Godfather, which makes me incredibly skeptical of any sort of suspicion on him. As for Coag, I'm not sure what his behavioral tells are, but his vote on DP actually isn't that important. It wasn't made in the last minute scramble, and almost seemed like a throwaway vote made in the middle of D1 when DP had virtually no chance of getting lynched. coag actually voting for mafia is one of the strongest tells you're going to get out of him probably. And he still seems more interested than I think he would be as mafia. And yes, I already conceded slOosh should have been greener than I put him. | ||
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