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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 03:04 GMT
#1121
Honestly Oats, I making an association case, which is near impossible for you to defend directly. Because I'm essentially setting out expectations for your town play, and you're not really going to change them unless you prove that you're town in other ways.

I'm more interested in hearing who you think is scum given the lynch actions.

If I do have any more specific things I'd like you to defend, I'll let you know.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 23 2013 03:07 GMT
#1122
Hapa, can you answer my questions in my case against you?
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 03:07 GMT
#1123
Lol why you give up?
BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.

Anyway yeah Scum is Hapa and Marv currently.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 23 2013 03:10 GMT
#1124
no oats, marv is town.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 03:14 GMT
#1125
Same reasoning as hapa?
No gg, No skill.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 03:15 GMT
#1126
On June 23 2013 12:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapa, can you answer my questions in my case against you?


I can, but you don't seem like the type who's willing to listen.

Well firstly...
On June 23 2013 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Hapahauli


I don't like the fact that he has disappeared since i laid out my case. Unless he has something reasonable to say i'll be voting for him and you all should do that aswell.


You posted your case and voted me when I was asleep, so there's not much more to say about this. Now as for the case...

He is not wanting to be a town leader here.


I don't always lead town early on. Examples include both Hydra Mini I and II.

You played in Hydra Mini II and tried to mislynch me for it when you were scum. Why are you forgetting about this?

He is asking random questions from random people. He had Goodkarma as his top scum read, then suddenly went on voting for Sloosh and after that dropped the "GK is my top scumread"...


Exactly at what point did I ever drop my suspicions of GK? I didn't.

...did not answer me about that when asked, masked it with a question about yamato for me and went on with "something is off with rayn and DP", didn't explain that any more and said he would be writing stuff about me later. Does this sound like a townie behaviour?


It was the last post I made before I went to sleep at 5 am in the morning. When I woke up (which coincided with you falling asleep), you had posted enough to convince me you were town. So I didn't feel the need to post anything more.

This is probably because yamato is mafia too, and with no real direction in the game right now, he might get lynched. If mafia does not do something soon, one of their own will get lynched so they are trying to pursue more and more targets to hide in the shadows.


This doesn't make sense, because yamato is most likely town given voting actions. So why exactly do I need to defend this?

Now Hapa, am i bullshitting in what i said here and if i am not, why do you think i am scum? You have seen me play scum in a game that i was actually able to play to the fullest. Why do you actually think yamato is town? You basically ask him questions and whatever he answers you reply with "okay, that's fair enough". You are taking him at face value at the earliest possible moment, and that's really REALLY fishy. Yamato never explained his reasoning behind his town-reads actually being null yet you have never talked about that again. You labeled GK as your top scum read and after that you place a vote on Sloosh and after one post from him you take the vote back and hop on entirely different things. It does not make sense from town PoV.


Like honestly, half your case is entirely associative with Yamato.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 03:17 GMT
#1127
On June 23 2013 12:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol why you give up?
BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.

Anyway yeah Scum is Hapa and Marv currently.


If marv and I were on a scum-team with DP, this town would have been all sorts of fucked yesterday.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 03:18 GMT
#1128
Like Rayn. Your case is based on
a) Yamato being scum
b) Me sleeping.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 03:20 GMT
#1129
On June 23 2013 12:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 12:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol why you give up?
BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.

Anyway yeah Scum is Hapa and Marv currently.


If marv and I were on a scum-team with DP, this town would have been all sorts of fucked yesterday.

wifom
also I thought you said you werent good at scum
No gg, No skill.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
June 23 2013 03:21 GMT
#1130
Btw if Yamato looks really townie because of DP's flip:

On June 21 2013 14:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
he went to sleep shiao pi.

##Vote: Yamato


On June 21 2013 14:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato is scum for thinking everyone is town and then null. Not consistent with his previous games
Not the other way around. I explained it like that when I was scum too.


Pretty nice place to throw away a vote. Yamato wagon was fighting against DP wagon up to about an hour from the deadline and Oats conveniently left his vote on Yamato.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 03:22 GMT
#1131
On June 23 2013 12:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 12:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 12:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol why you give up?
BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.

Anyway yeah Scum is Hapa and Marv currently.


If marv and I were on a scum-team with DP, this town would have been all sorts of fucked yesterday.

wifom
also I thought you said you werent good at scum


Are you going to substantiate your reads or not?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 23 2013 03:22 GMT
#1132
yes, i do believe yamato is town for his actions now, as we have a fucking mafia flip.

I however did not know that when i wrote the case, so please... do not associate the case on yamato at any point because:
1) it's not
2) it's not
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 03:23 GMT
#1133
cora. wtf are you talking about?

GK was the counter wagon.

I made my vote when I went to sleep about 6 hours before lynch.
I was never ever ever gonna vote for DP.
No gg, No skill.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 03:24 GMT
#1134
On June 23 2013 12:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, i do believe yamato is town for his actions now, as we have a fucking mafia flip.

I however did not know that when i wrote the case, so please... do not associate the case on yamato at any point because:
1) it's not
2) it's not


I'm not accusing of you of thinking that now. I'm saying that a major portion of your old case on me is about Yamato. Take that out, and there's very little else of substance.

So what is it exactly that you find me scummy for then?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 03:24 GMT
#1135
On June 23 2013 12:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 12:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 23 2013 12:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 12:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol why you give up?
BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.

Anyway yeah Scum is Hapa and Marv currently.


If marv and I were on a scum-team with DP, this town would have been all sorts of fucked yesterday.

wifom
also I thought you said you werent good at scum


Are you going to substantiate your reads or not?

You didnt vote for scum. You scum.

and no im not gonna substantiate my reads at this point of time.
No gg, No skill.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 23 2013 03:25 GMT
#1136
and yes cora, yamato looks really townie after the flip.
table for two on a tv tray
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 03:25 GMT
#1137
On June 23 2013 12:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 12:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 12:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 23 2013 12:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 12:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol why you give up?
BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM.

Anyway yeah Scum is Hapa and Marv currently.


If marv and I were on a scum-team with DP, this town would have been all sorts of fucked yesterday.

wifom
also I thought you said you werent good at scum


Are you going to substantiate your reads or not?

You didnt vote for scum. You scum.

and no im not gonna substantiate my reads at this point of time.


There are 8 players alive in this game who didn't vote for DP.

Secondly, why are you assuming that GK is town?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 23 2013 03:26 GMT
#1138
On June 23 2013 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 12:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, i do believe yamato is town for his actions now, as we have a fucking mafia flip.

I however did not know that when i wrote the case, so please... do not associate the case on yamato at any point because:
1) it's not
2) it's not


I'm not accusing of you of thinking that now. I'm saying that a major portion of your old case on me is about Yamato. Take that out, and there's very little else of substance.

So what is it exactly that you find me scummy for then?

You are not trying to solve tha game, you are trying to lynch whoever you can and that's bad.
Basically that.
table for two on a tv tray
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 23 2013 03:27 GMT
#1139
cause i feel like his play in this game is way different from his play in ISWEAR. There he just occasionally posted null reads and stuff and never really interacted with the thread. Here, he pushed me, push shiao pi. So when marv has bad reasoning for both GK and Yamato, its really not great. Doesnt mean right = good reasoning for yamato.

No gg, No skill.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
June 23 2013 03:27 GMT
#1140
On June 23 2013 12:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 12:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes, i do believe yamato is town for his actions now, as we have a fucking mafia flip.

I however did not know that when i wrote the case, so please... do not associate the case on yamato at any point because:
1) it's not
2) it's not


I'm not accusing of you of thinking that now. I'm saying that a major portion of your old case on me is about Yamato. Take that out, and there's very little else of substance.

So what is it exactly that you find me scummy for then?

You are not trying to solve tha game, you are trying to lynch whoever you can and that's bad.
Basically that.


Okay, and what specifically about my game points to that?

You can make statements about my play, cool, but I can't exactly defend myself if you provide no rationale for it.
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