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Hapahauli
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On June 23 2013 05:03 ObviousOne wrote: Back in an hour it's pizza time woot Surely you can eat pizza and play mafia concurrently. Not hard. | ||
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I still don't think DP is a good lynch. I think it's more than possible that the secret vote (which is presumably sent by PM) could have been sent by one of the lurkers, and I want to lynch into one of them. SloOsh or Ange I think. Maybe a YOLO SWAG lynch on Adam cause he hasn't shown up (but no not really). | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:07 yamato77 wrote: Hapa, vote DP right now so that I don't get lynched, please. We have 3 hours. I'll vote DP over you in a heartbeat, but I'm going to be active until deadline, so I'll switch my vote when necessary. | ||
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The vote post uses a countdown timer. It's 16:00 EDT right now, and deadline's at 19:00 EDT according to the OP. | ||
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Why is DP town? That's a really strong statement at this stage. I'm willing to give Ange some more time to get more of her opinions out more: she has done a good job asking questions and if she's town and just hasn't explained her reads a bit more thoroughly it would be a really bad lynch for town. I'm in favor of lynching Oats, Yamato, or sloOsh. My problem is lynching sloOsh is that I could blame Adam, OO, and Ange for mostly the same things: lack of scumhunting and lack of activity. Why single out sloOsh? Why not? All of them are lynchable, and sloOsh really doesn't have an excuse for it. Also, this argument rings hollow when you want to lynch someone (Yamato) who's by miles doing more scumhunting. | ||
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1) Shiao unvote. This is non-allignment indicative. Someone changing their mind isn't scummy. It sounds like you wanted him to tunnel Shiao more, which is a strange argument since you're finding him scummy for essentially being more reasonable. 2) "DP kick" - again, not allignment indicative. What precludes a townie from wanting to lynch someone over themselves? Fact is, both town and mafia are desperate not to get lynched, and it serves as pretty good motivation to push your reads strongly. However Yamato's push (while I don't all together agree with it) shows that he's carefully reading the thread and is not balls out retarded. That's enough for me to think that he's town. Furthermore, Yamato has put more scum-hunting efforts in the latter half of this day than any other player. That's a pretty big town-tell, and you can't ignore the rest of his filter while harping on one or two things you may not agree with or like. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:28 cDgCorazon wrote: I have a strong feeling about DP being town for a couple of reasons: 1. His play has been productive and level-headed for most of the game. He is contributing to discussion and I don't believe he is hiding anything. His play seems very genuine to me and he has been very logical and reasonable in everyone he has analyzed. I don't see anything in his filter that looks scummy to me. 2. There have been a couple points where Hapa has been under fire. Instead of joining the wagon or not saying anything, DP has come out multiple (at least 5 times) to say that a Hapa lynch is a really stupid idea due to Hapa's importance to town. It would be so easy for scum DP to jump on the Hapa lynch train or to just sit out of the way and let a Hapa lynch train form. The fact that he went out of his way to defend Hapa means that he wants to keep Hapa alive for as long as possible, which would be super beneficial to town. 1) I believe you'd think differently if you've seen any of his past scum-games. What Yamato and I are more concerned about is not his lack of out-ward scumminess (which he never really shows regardless of allignment) - it's his lack of out-ward townieness. Point is, he's null at best on this. 2) I'm one of the hardest players to mislynch on TL. Defending me is not that risky of a move. In fact in the last few games I've played with DP (both of us being town), he's tunneled the fuck out of me in each one early in the game. | ||
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On June 23 2013 05:30 cDgCorazon wrote: Well if there were 5 people that could be lynched (with ShiaoPi), I would lynch them all. Every time we lynch a lurker D1 they always flip town. That's why I'm almost always against LAL. I don't think you understand the purpose of Day 1 play and lynching lurkers. The goal of Day 1 is to get a good lynch. This doesn't mean you necessarily have to hit mafia - you want to kill someone that you think could be mafia, but also isn't an asset to the town. This is because Day 1 lynches are the most random - why take a huge risk on an active player when you can be much more risk-averse by lynching a lurker? In the present case, it's possible that a lurker we consolidate on will be town. However it's a much better option than lynching an active player who's going down kicking and screaming, because those players flip town %99.9 of the time. | ||
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I really think we should be lynching sloOsh or Ange. Preferably sloOsh. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:00 marvellosity wrote: Actually he promised me he wouldn't do such shenannies this game. It's in some thread somewhere but I can't remember where. Hm ok. Because of all the people in the thread, I think his play is objectively the scummiest. He's off doing his own thing with Shiao, and doesn't seem interested in pushing his case at all. He kinda just dropped a case, said he was voting Shiao, and fucked off. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:02 marvellosity wrote: I've heard not a peep from you about what you said about rayn, by the way. What gives? Oh Rayn. Yeah his behavior today was pretty damn townie. Definetely not interested in lynching him today. But yeah, kinda forgot about Rayn with the other stuff going on in the thread. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:05 marvellosity wrote: Now's not the time but after the lynch I want to know what it is that were setting off your weird-bells. He was already looking really townie to me at that point. I always try to look for players that are blending in, and at the time I had thought Rayn was doing so. There was just something off/wrong about how he was attacking players, and a lot of the things he was attacking players for was him essentially parroting the points of others. His attack on Yamato was also really weird in the sense that he was just too confident about it. Obviously whatever gut feeling I had about it has been placated by his recent behavior. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:12 Ange777 wrote: Sorry I just got back home. Catching up now. If there is anything I should read immediately please tell me. Well we're looking to consolidate on someone right now. I'd look at GK/Shiao for starters. After that, OO's recent behavior, and any scum-reads you might have. | ||
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On June 23 2013 06:24 marvellosity wrote: I dunno :/ Basically waiting for slOosh / Ange to report their findings. coag's just a crapshoot. Obvious sounded better but now he's disappeared again. I'm just browsing GK's filter since you mentioned him. What's the strongest point(s) against him would you say? I wish I could say I was convinced about GK. Because I don't think that GK's case is 100% completely unreasonable. I don't think it's good, but it isn't a wall of horribleness. It's just that he made a case, is seemingly convinced of Shiao's guilt, and isn't pushing it at all. In games I've read of GK, he's usually pretty interested in consolidating even at the expense of his own reads (see Les Mis), and just isn't around to do it right now. But yes, more waiting on sloOsh // Ange right now. | ||
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