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raynpelikoneet
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On June 22 2013 01:33 goodkarma wrote: This list is the very definition of "easy targets." And why are you in list form dishing out multiple null reads? Maybe because i asked him about those specific three people? Are you even reading the thread? | ||
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1) Where did the "GK is my top scumread" fade so easily? 2) You still didn't explain to me why did you buy yamato's explanation for his reads so easily. | ||
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ShiaoPi, Oats and Cora are town, strongly leaning town on marv aswell. | ||
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1) Why Hapa and yamato are scum 2) Why marv is town 3) How i play as scum and how i play as town 4) Why i am town and see point #1 | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Hapa is scum because of the following: This game at the moment has no real direction. There are a couple of strong players, who when town, take the game into their hands and show the right direction to the town (sorry marv, i believe you will do that later, not on D1). Hapa is one of them, which i have experienced before, particularly in Red. He is not wanting to be a town leader here. He is asking random questions from random people. He had Goodkarma as his top scum read, then suddenly went on voting for Sloosh and after that dropped the "GK is my top scumread", did not answer me about that when asked, masked it with a question about yamato for me and went on with "something is off with rayn and DP", didn't explain that any more and said he would be writing stuff about me later. Does this sound like a townie behaviour? This is probably because yamato is mafia too, and with no real direction in the game right now, he might get lynched. If mafia does not do something soon, one of their own will get lynched so they are trying to pursue more and more targets to hide in the shadows. Also this is why i think marv is town. If marv was mafia i think he would be more than happy to take the game into his hands and play it his way. Marv has lately stayed more in the shadows as town early on in the game and this is what it looks like to be the case here. Marv has a really strong scumplay and i would expect him to try to control the game more if he was mafia. As for how i play. I mostly make my reads from how people interact with me. That's why i engage the discussions that are currently going on in thread and tend to forget about stuff said earlier on in the game unless asked again (for example, i completely missed Sloosh having a case against me in some game i don't remember for like 24h before i even realized it was there). When i am mafia i try to mimic this as much as possible, and that usually at some point fails apart if the town is too competant. I basically bank on the fact that "there will always be someone more scummy than me". Now Hapa, am i bullshitting in what i said here and if i am not, why do you think i am scum? You have seen me play scum in a game that i was actually able to play to the fullest. Why do you actually think yamato is town? You basically ask him questions and whatever he answers you reply with "okay, that's fair enough". You are taking him at face value at the earliest possible moment, and that's really REALLY fishy. Yamato never explained his reasoning behind his town-reads actually being null yet you have never talked about that again. You labeled GK as your top scum read and after that you place a vote on Sloosh and after one post from him you take the vote back and hop on entirely different things. It does not make sense from town PoV. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Hapahauli I think Oats is town because his play to me seems like trademark town!Oats play. I have played with him as scum (hydraed) and while we didn't have a much chance to interact i know how he thinks as mafia and this is not what it seems like to be here. I think ShiaoPi is town mainly because i think this post is very good and i mostly agree with it: On June 22 2013 19:26 ShiaoPi wrote: wow goodkarma's case one me was just as terrible as the one on oats. Fairly happy with where my vote is right now. Just for the sake of refuting: I am not contradicting myself there, gk just shows lack of reading thoroughly. I am voting him cause he is fabricating stuff on oats, meta is supportive of my trian of thought not the main argument. So since you just did another terrible forced case, my vote is more than justified. I am striking sloosh of the list for now and adding some others. Ange, DP and OO really should come in and take some stances now Ange has only been asking questions thus far and not been very helpful, DP is playing not as active as I am used to and OO just vanished. None of them strike me as scummy as gk though so my vote stays. I'll be around for a bit, but then off to party so don't even expect me to be around deadline. Now read Hapa's filter and tell me where he is actually trying to play the game to the fullest? Also read what he said about me, mainly this part: He's literally suspicious of every person in this game. And not in a "paranoid, spazzy townie" way. It feels very controlled and deliberate, which is just strange and scummy. Prove me that this is true. Show me. I challenge you Hapa. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I mainly had a problem with ShiaoPi first because he popped in to explain himself only after me and you were talking about GK's case on Oats. He attacked GK and at that point it seemed like he was trying to just follow the thread sentiment -> hop on any target he could find. Now that the shitstorm has went on between them for a while i think ShiaoPi as scum would let go of GK. I think he genuinely believes GK is scum (as i also agree with him about GK) and that's why he is going on with his rant with GK. And in my opinion ShiaoPi looks much better than GK. I also agree with him what he says about Ange/DP/OO and Sloosh did something that was weird in my opinion when i looked at the thread this morning, i just can't remember what it was. | ||
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On June 22 2013 08:05 slOosh wrote: Umm ... his other posts look better. I like that he is posting on goodkarma, which is "unique" (opposed to going with the flow non contributary post scum sometimes make). I'll wait on reading goodkarma's posts and their interaction before I can give you a better judgement call than that. At that time it was definitely not unique (as i explained in my last post). | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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what's your read on Cora? | ||
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Who do you think is scum, let's talk about them. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Your read on GK is basically why i am hesitant to call him scum. I know from personal experience he is "capable" of doing this kinda stuff as town, and while what he is doing here i see as horribly bad i don't think that absolutely makes him scum. I disagree with Sloosh sounding ok, because i don't think he has said anything good. Sylencia will get replaced so pretty much nothing to talk about him. Why do you marv think yamato is town? Also, Goodkarma: You wanted me to post the case on Hapa asap. Would you comment on it now that it's been posted? What do you think of Hapa/yamato? | ||
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The posts you quoted are however interesting. At least a couple of things. In the first post yamato seems to be thinking the same i am thinking about Hapa at the moment. I don't understand why he dropped that as i don't see how Hapa's play has changed since to make such a drop from what he said. In the second post he lays out his reads. Interestingly enough, when Hapa says he is suspicious of me and DP, yamato answers him he is going to go re-read my posts. Not DP's, because "it bothers him that DP is willing to lynch OO". That's a weird reason for not to look into someone (who btw is more of a scumread for yamato than i am). For me their (Hapa/yamato) interactions seem forced and not natural. I'm a bit puzzled why didn't you want to know why i think Cora is town. Why is that? | ||
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On June 23 2013 00:10 marvellosity wrote: We can back and forth on how you and I view yamato's meta, but I don't see the point. I think I know yamato better than you do and I think I'm right. I don't really care why you think Cora is town. Why should I? Why shouldn't you? If i am town i have genuine reasons to believe he is town. If i am mafia i already know he is town, thus my reasons might not be genuine. Why are you not trying to read me at all? Have you just decided that i am town or do you somehow know i am town? | ||
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Cora is town because he and marv obviously are not both scum. Cora is trying to avoid a shitfest with marv, which would be a good thing to have if he was mafia because it would distract marv, it would tell nothing about Cora's alignment and could possibly end up marv ragequitting or something similar which would be profit. | ||
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On June 23 2013 00:17 cDgCorazon wrote: @Rayn Perhaps that is a good question for Hapa himself. I'd say he was trying not to get himself in a tunnel of GK, as there is more than 1 mafia member. I don't see a problem with it. He's been suspicious of Yamato the whole game, it's not like he just switched out of nowhere. I don't have a problem with it. That's why i have asked him that besides other things. :D Aside yamato, who do you think is mafia? | ||
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