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marvellosity
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His policy/tunnel on me is meaningless, and he's actually posting. Even as a last resort I'm not sure how I could be convinced that he was a better option than another lurker I don't like the look of. | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 21 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: The thing with Coag is that i want him to give opinions on someone else than you. It doesn't even matter what alignment you are, this joke thingy with lynching you is bad as shit. Why not actually hunt scum besides calling you scum before you have not even posted? Do you know how to read OO marv? What do you think of him at the moment? Also you didn't answer Oats' question about Ange. What do you think of her? This was my answer on Ange: On June 21 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote: Nothing at all yet. I've read OO correctly in the past - as town in Red Team, as mafia in Hydra 1. The counterpoint to this is I most recently read him incorrectly in a game on omgus (not helped by the fact he disappeared for the last 24 hours of day 1) and also he put in a pretty nice performance as replacement scum in Smurf Mafia. In short I no longer feel that confident in "meta"ing him, beyond involvedness/give-a-shitness. | ||
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On June 21 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote: marv, how strong a read is shiao pi for you and do you think anyone else is scum? Fairly weak given it's based on one or two posts + disappearance. No-one else has said/done enough for me to think they're scummy right now. Like, I could say that I'm waiting to see where goodkarma goes after his case/posts on you, but realistically that's just me waiting to see what he does next. Or that slOosh dropped one post and then disappeared. There's not that much to say about it. | ||
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On June 21 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually do think GK's read on Oats is pretty shitty. Yes, it's really not the best. I went back and checked given you were kind enough to bring it up. On June 21 2013 15:54 goodkarma wrote: It was the first few hours I was in the game, so as far as I'm concerned it was day one. And it was based off my first post, so he literally is capable of megatunneling off basically nothing... But that's not really my main issue with him. I'm still having trouble understanding how he can so easily forget about you and DP when jumping onto Yamato. Also have you learned your lesson from Axel and Shao last game? Activity =/= towniness. Oats is always pretty active, so that's not particularly indicative of anything. The bolded part in particular made me go back and check what was going on. Oats threw out a couple of random scumreads on DP and Hapa, and then moved on to yamato with On June 21 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote: In other news, yamato is looking awfully scummy for not being able to back up his read which is an actual reason. What I don't understand is why goodkarma would think that Oats would be particularly attached to scumreads that he hasn't developed and just threw out there. Is the thought process "these guys give me scummy feels -> this different guy is scum because he can't back up his reads" really so difficult to understand from a townie perspective? | ||
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On June 21 2013 23:08 ShiaoPi wrote: Because that is what yamato does (at least in my memory)? Yes, it does not help anyone to determine his alignment right now, but what did you expect, words of wisdom in every post I do on day 1? It's just something to keep in mind. I am thinking you are blowing this way out of proportion When have you played with yamato that has given you this impression? | ||
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On June 22 2013 00:10 ShiaoPi wrote: Cannot pin point it to a certain game right now, would have to look in his game history again, but it is more I always feel like wanting to shoot him for some posts he does. take it as you want, I am really dont feel like like searching for specifics right now. Ok, but basically as far as I can tell you said bullshit with no basis. I like to think my mafia memory is pretty decent even in games I've not played in, and I can't really remember you two playing together much, if at all. So where I'm at is that you said some bullshit to passively-aggressively say that yamato was 'looking' scummy, without even actually saying he was scummy. | ||
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- i think hapa looks townish, for reasons given - i think DP looks townish, for reason given - i find Ange null - i want to know what yamato expects from a town DP - i find goodkarma's failure to understand Oats' thought process baffling - i find shiaopi's comment on yamato scummy, which is explained - i've commented on how i view coag's play so far I've only been in the thread today with minimal other people posting, and he's worried I'm only talking about yamato, despite the fact that the sole reaosn I did so was to answer other people's questions? Severe case of bad reading comprehension right here. ShiaoPi - so we have LXI where you were mafia, where presumably you knew his posts weren't scummy because you were scum, and British Empire, a game you replaced out. Seems like nothing to assert "yamato is pro at looking scummy as shit" don't you think? Could you tell me what you were hoping to achieve with whatever answers you were given to the question? Like I'm pretty wary over turning this into a tunnel over something relatively small, but if you're town you need to help clear this up for me. | ||
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On June 22 2013 00:34 cDgCorazon wrote: Replace "will" with "usually" and maybe you'll understand. I was just talking about Yamato's meta. I'm not sure where you guys are going with this. If I was Yamato's scummate, I would have told him how to look townie in the QT and not in the thread. So your point is moot. Have some cake! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/izgw6sH.png) | ||
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On June 22 2013 00:42 ShiaoPi wrote: @marv: I was deciding whether to put him into scum camp or null because of his playstyle. Look at oats for example, he is somebody whose play regardless of alignment is at first glance pretty similar, so if a player like oats does something scummy I accept it as part of his usual behaviour of inconsistency etc. and do not focus too much of it until I see a clearer scumtell from my point of view. With yamato I had left over feeling that he was scummy either way, coupled with his posts which are scummy if you look at them isolated without prior knowledge of his play. I thought: hmm maybe he is more a oats kind of player who inevitably will look scummy at some point. Next thing is I ask my question to the thread to confirm my leftover feelings, hapa does not really tell me, corazon talks about a game I have not obsed/read, dp also has trouble differentiating between bad and scum on yamato. I know DP and hapa to be good players, dont know corazon so I arbitrarily decide to ignore corazon. See my feelings kinda confirmed and put yamato as null Personally I feel like yamato is pretty good at demonstrating his towniness, even if not *always* in productive ways (but usually). In my eyes he's been inexplicably lynched by towns a couple of times when he was town. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt for now as you're earnestly explaining yourself. I'm just going to attribute it to laziness (for now)  ##Unvote | ||
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On June 22 2013 01:01 goodkarma wrote: For one thing, he endlessly clung onto a scum target and spammed "kill him" much further explanation for half the game. He seemed just overall to be much more in your face with his reads than he is here. He feels a bit more distanced and level-headed here. People say he's being dickish and arrogant, but this game he's been far more tame than last game. Can you explain how the change is scum-motivated? | ||
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On June 22 2013 01:12 goodkarma wrote: Well when I was ingame is what I'm the most familiar with, and what is fresh in my mind. I believe he was also especially dickish about his BH and Hapa reads last game day one. The point is here he's actually almost polite with his reads (again, compared to last game). The main issue with this is, GK, that your first couple of posts arising suspicion on Oats are primarily based on meta, or how you view his play last time he was town. The problem is, if you have selective/incomplete memory or you don't check, then it's at best not very useful at all, and at worst manipulative/deceitful. See what I'm saying? | ||
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On June 22 2013 01:25 goodkarma wrote: This is obvious. I don't feel I've been misleading. He has been more level-headed this game... A couple of things. Firstly I think pretty much everyone else in the game isn't detecting any particular major deviation in Oats' play from normal. That's fine maybe, maybe you got something subtle that the rest of us didn't. The problem arises when you bring Oats up as a suspect / scumread because of your meta-read (which Shiao pointed out didn't quite hold true during the D1 you were referring to). It's precisely why I asked how you felt the change was scum-motivated. If you're bringing up a scum suspect on the basis of meta, you need to explain why the differences you bring up make him scum and not playing a slightly different style. In short: a) maybe he has been more level-headed (?) but it's early and it's not something I (and others are picking up) b) even if he is, why does that make him scum | ||
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On June 22 2013 01:36 goodkarma wrote: For the last time: His play felt different, and I was working to make sense of why. He is not currently a scumread for me. Have you made sense of why? And the fact he's not *currently* a scumread doesn't change the fact you brought him up as the person you were "most suspicious of". Why do you feel better about him now? | ||
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On June 22 2013 01:54 goodkarma wrote: No I can't quite figure out why Oats is playing civilly. Honestly, my time is probably better spent not thinking about it anymore for the time being... Regarding question two: As I've said, that he actually has rationale for his reads that I could find sensibly coming from a town perspective... The complete switch of attention thing still doesn't sit well with me. Others here seem to have some kind of "well it's Oats" rationale for when he does some things, but I wanted to take a quick look at this as there could be scum motivation behind it. Said quick look apparently means my entire filter... Ha! By the power vested in me by absolutely nobody, I release thee to look at other things. | ||
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