Catch 22 Mafia - Page 2

On June 22 2013 02:17 goodkarma wrote:
In B4 null.

On June 24 2013 09:08 goodkarma wrote:



I'm inclined to agree with you Hapa.

The more telling thing there is that Cora has a mod-confirmed RB, and having soft-claimed blue, I find it much more likely scum would feel inclined to do this than town.

I agree on Oats too. I honestly don't have much more to say there.

Those on the DP wagon are still likely town. So that leaves you, me, Adam, and Shao.

Everything you've done recently has me inclined to believe you're town. You are just soooo much involved in trying to solve this game I find it very hard to believe you're faking it as scum.

Adam also I believe to be town, as he shows an active involvement in the game.

I'm obvtown.

That ONLY LEAVES Shao. By process of elimination, Shao must be the last scum.

##Vote: Shao

On June 24 2013 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im confused lol.

So you dont think GK is scum but because of elimination, he is the only dude. Is that right?

On June 23 2013 21:37 Adam4167 wrote:


They're my strongest townreads in the game, bar Yamato who would sit either first or second behind Cora. It still blows my mind that DP actually flipped scum, because when I compare both wagons side-by-side I see most of the towniest people all apparently on the wrong side of this lynch, and seemingly a hoard of semi-lurkers got together and offed the mafia godfather. To say i'm perplexed is an understatement.


Cora is town to me because of his general attitude. He isn't afraid to be himself, even if it gets him lynched. Constantly trying to redirect people onto more productive endeavors - trying to get coag to stop tunneling marv who hasn't even posted in the thread yet, for example. He feels exactly the same way he did in Duel mafia, except his reasoning is stronger, which probably stems from playing a few games since then.

Marv is town to me because we seem to be thinking along the same train of thought. The fact that his reads seem to echo most of my own fills me with some confidence that he is probably town. Hes been trying to figure people out from what I can tell and he seems to share my confusion with the current state of the game - that someone I've given a town read on probably has me tricked. His meta read on me is another plus. Hes probably the person most familiar with my scum play after our escapades in Hero mafia and hes got me nailed dead-to-rights - my scum play is wooden, not fluid and I am literally petrified of posting for fear of being accused.

Hapa feels town because hes actually posting and engaging people. In duel I defended scum hapa for over a cycle before common-sense finally set in that I was defending him even when he wasn't defending himself. His willingness to engage me as soon as I joined the game, and again tonight, was more than I ever got out of him in Duel. Bottom line is if his post count drops off and he becomes withdrawn in the thread, hes scum - I don't see that from him here. He has one of the biggest filters in the thread and hes quick to interrogate people if he doesn't understand what they're saying.

On June 24 2013 07:54 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, the reason you cant tell who I suspect to be scum is because I don't know that myself. Ill walk you through my current thought process.

As per this post:


I don't consider anyone on the DP wagon to be a viable lynch for tomorrow, so I strike them off my list.

I then take out the people I feel are town who were on the GK wagon - Cora, Hapa, Marv.

This leaves me with 4 names: Yourself, ShiaoPi, GK and Oats.

I liked your hustle on D1, so I feel most confident that you're town out of this bunch, so you come off. Oats is being a right shit, but most people seem to think hes town for it, so I move him to the maybe category. This leaves me with either GK or ShiaoPi. I doubt they're both scum together due to their actions on D1, so unless we're dealing with a 3 man scum team of DP, Oats and one of these two, I've already messed up somewhere in my logic. This leads me to conclude that either my town reads on the GK wagon are wrong, or that the scum are on the DP wagon and bussed him yesterday.

I sincerely do not think the scum team bussed yesterday, for that they threw away an exceptional scum player with probably the best role to suit his play style. So I take a look at the 3 people I called town on the GK wagon with me... and all I see is town.

I cant manufacture scum reads that I don't have. So this is where i'm at. I hope to have a better understanding of what actually happened D1 after the KP starts flying around the place. Where to tomorrow? Resolving the GK and ShiaoPi situation looks as good a place to start. I don't get a strong scum read off either of them by examining either of their filters. I don't find the cases that either of them put forward yesterday to be all that compelling either. Hence my comment on seeing what they did and how they did it.

On June 24 2013 15:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
town reads are the easiest thing to fabricate as scum because you know you are right.
Also speculation. Which are basically those 2 posts.