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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 20:27 GMT
#1392
GK, your comments on me are some of the most stupid drivel I've ever seen.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 20:39 GMT
#1401
On June 24 2013 05:35 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 05:34 yamato77 wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:19 yamato77 wrote:
On June 24 2013 05:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
On June 24 2013 04:59 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora

I will say that GK has a really good point about your "read" on Ange.
Finally there's his last set of reads, which clearly make no sense from a town perspective. I simply can't visualize a townie making the Ange read in particular, given her contributions to getting scum lynched on DAY 1. All in all, this is a guy with a lot of activity who hasn't had a whole lot of stances on who's scum. He's content to suspect lurkers and be pretty wishy-washy on everyone else. Ange in particular he's gone from "possibly Ange" to "probably not Ange let's not consider lynching her even though I think she's scummy" in very short order when pressured about it. Like what kind of townie does that??? The Oats read I could possibly see a townie making, but everything else just doesn't make sense at all to me from a town perspective.


Why would you be suspicious of the person who was the driving force behind the Godfather lynch? And even if you are suspicious, your quotes on her don't come across as very natural...
Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.


So you mention that you're "really suspicious" of her right here, but then when someone confronts you about it, you immediately back down to a very non-committal stance:

I'm not say Ange is 100% scum and that we should try to lynch her. I'm not even saying Ange looks very scummy and we should thing about lynching her. I'm just saying that it makes me a bit suspicious.


And now it's a "bit suspicious".


Perhaps I used the wrong wording in how suspicious of Ange I was. Her sub-par D1 play was only revived by the fact that she voted for DP at just the right time. Then she goes on about how I look bad for voting DP which is so ridiculously obvious. I'm still feeling on edge after the DP vote because I thought I was going to be a prime lynch candidate because of it. I considered (and still do, but to a lesser degree) myself to be lynch bait and when she mentioned my name I saw her possibly as scum jumping on the lynchbait. She shouldn't be hailed as an angel just because she voted for DP. Everyone still has to do their part in the town.

Ange is obviously town and you are a prime lynch candidate.

Way to follow thread sentiment yet again Yamato. Step up your play.

ROFL. Get real.

Lynched scum D1. GGNORE

That doesn't give you an excuse to do nothing the rest of the game.


It does mean lecturing him is a completely counterproductive thing to do though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 20:41 GMT
#1403
I suggest "nothing" is more productive than having digs at obvious townies.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 20:48 GMT
#1405
People should clearly be watching HSC
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 21:35 GMT
#1418
I think every single one of GK's cases this game has been "not very robust".
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 21:53 GMT
#1426
On June 24 2013 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:42 goodkarma wrote:
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.
...


There's some very objectionable analysis in this paragraph.

Show nested quote +
But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here?


The argument that he changed his scum-play for the worse isn't very compelling.

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I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive.


I can point to several of his town games where he acts just like this.

In fact, Mafia LXII comes to mind - a game that you both played in.

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And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.


I'm surprised at the lack of sympathy you have for the "afk" thing, given that you used it in your own defense earlier this game and was afk for a good portion of this game yourself.


Frankly I find the contention that a player who's lurked in many scumgames and been active in one, we should assume he's going to be active in this one too, on top of what I said about playing more than one scumgame in a row. In fact you yourself should know how horrible it is to play consecutive scumgames.

The argument seems to be that a mafia player would make a special effort to be active and involved, whereas a townplayer would not make this effort.

When has it ever been this way round, ever?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:00 GMT
#1429
On June 24 2013 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:
On June 24 2013 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 24 2013 06:42 goodkarma wrote:
On June 24 2013 04:55 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GoodKarma

Regarding Cora

There are a lot of things I could say about his play, but wishy-washy isn't one of them.

Also his reasoning for voting you was pretty much "I think DP is super-town, I will vote anyone except for him"(...which isn't any better, but it isn't what you represent it to be ("lololol there are 5 lurkers let's go and kill GK").

Regarding Shaio

One of the reasons that I'm skeptical of your push is along the lines of what Ange said a couple of pages back:
On June 23 2013 20:34 Ange777 wrote:
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.


From last game, we know the guy is capable of playing an active and engaged scumgame. So why revert to this passive/lurky play? Also, are you sure this passive play of his is exclusive to his scum-games as opposed to his town-games?


I already discussed the Cora portion with Cora. As far as Shao goes, yes he played as scum last game in a way substantially different from this one. Specifically, he was more active. But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here? I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive. And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.
...


There's some very objectionable analysis in this paragraph.

But the games before that he apparently played differently enough from that that you couldn't spot him as scum. Why do you think he couldn't have changed his scumplay yet again here?


The argument that he changed his scum-play for the worse isn't very compelling.

I have trouble understanding how as town Shao would be this trollish and unproductive.


I can point to several of his town games where he acts just like this.

In fact, Mafia LXII comes to mind - a game that you both played in.

And on top of all the scummy things he's done, his vote on me and afk is behavior that could be clearly scum-motivated.


I'm surprised at the lack of sympathy you have for the "afk" thing, given that you used it in your own defense earlier this game and was afk for a good portion of this game yourself.


Frankly I find the contention that a player who's lurked in many scumgames and been active in one, we should assume he's going to be active in this one too, on top of what I said about playing more than one scumgame in a row. In fact you yourself should know how horrible it is to play consecutive scumgames.

The argument seems to be that a mafia player would make a special effort to be active and involved, whereas a townplayer would not make this effort.

When has it ever been this way round, ever?


My point isn't that Shiao is super town. It's that the things that GK is attacking him for are null-tells.

And frankly I'm more interested in hearing GK talk for himself. I need to establish his alignment right now, as that is the most pressing thing.


You suggested earlier that his inactivity was a null-tell or even a slight town-tell, and I'm telling you why I totally disagree with that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:14 GMT
#1432
Shiao didn't play Rockband dear
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:19 GMT
#1436
On June 24 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:15 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Cora

On June 24 2013 07:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well it's really obvious to me now that GK is scum because he is both attacking a lynchbait and attacking him with really bad arguments where only one point is actually valid.

If I have to be lynched for you all to see that, so be it.


GK does have one very good point against you:

On June 24 2013 00:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
You.

Perhaps Ange, as it would be really easy for scum to cast doubt on me and push for my lynch D2. That got me really suspicious.

The third one is probably in one of the lurkers and semi-lurkers (GK/ShiaoPi/Coag/OO/SloOsh and others I'm probably forgetting).


This quote is really, really not good. Especially the bolded.

You group a bunch of "lurkers" without attempting to differentiate between them at all.

OO and SloOsh for example are mind-numbingly obv-town. Coag's a bit of a lighter-town read, but also should be considered fairly townie.


Well lynch me then. I really don't care.


Don't do the martyr thing, it makes your skin go spotty and none of the girls will like you.

Just explain what you did and if you are actually town there's a legitimate explanation.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:20 GMT
#1439
On June 24 2013 07:20 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Shiao didn't play Rockband dear


That was Hiro sorry my bad. Hopefully he doesn't modkill me for mistaking him for Shao O.O


I'm sure he'd be honoured actually
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:34 GMT
#1444
On June 24 2013 07:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
They haven't had a thread presence. They haven't been trying to push their reads and they haven't been contributing to the discussion.

The only big action they've done is voting for DP, and they did it mostly out of the blue. They didn't decide to commit to anything before the vote and for the most part, they haven't done much after the lynch either. I don't know where they stand and I still can't get a good read on them, which worries me greatly.


Wouldn't you agree that OO is practically certain to be town, given he was DP's mislynch of choice yesterday?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 22:38 GMT
#1446
Obviously on the rationale "you should never rule anything out", anyone could be mafia. For me OO is about as confirmed as it gets without a flip.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 23:01 GMT
#1452
As lists go that one's pretty bizarre
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2013 23:02 GMT
#1455
rofl #yolo swag

gg.

For what it's worth, I really was playing for town. glhf
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 02 2013 23:12 GMT
#2189
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 23:05 GMT
#2223
That Monty Hall thing in that Endgame post is fucking brilliant. Props to whoever wrote that.

OO threw the game by shooting Oats, really.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 23:25 GMT
#2234
On July 05 2013 08:12 ObviousOne wrote:
I dunno. Don't know how to close out a scum game yet. Tried to make it look like it was sloosh's shot but I guess I fucked up enough D1.


No, this is exactly the opposite of why you lost.

D1 gave you enormous town-cred which you frittered away on all the subsequent days by doing jack shit, as amply pointed out by Adam.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 09:35 GMT
#2273
Why do you think I didn't use my mason?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 05 2013 20:52 GMT
#2278
Your setups are always very interesting and well done, Hiro.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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