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i cant read you so not gonna happen lol. time to get your own starsenses brah
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The problem is in scums hands they will just pick the most suspicious town, shoot him, and nobody will think anything of it. After we lynch some one today I will have a more clear picture of who we need to shoot.
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I could get behind a GK lynch but only really to clear up a few other things in my mind this game. I do not see how the little info he has posted so far makes him scummy but did also notice his "half list" which is concerning
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On June 13 2013 00:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
why is he playing like in his previous scum game?
why is he playing differently from his town games?
Im feeling its the same as his town games currently, but I didnt read his scum game so there maybe something i missed.
Educate me please bh
You dont think its odd that the one person he wants dead is
1. some one that thinks bh is scum and read him well in carnival
2. a parroting of the only scum read by the only confirmed town
like there's no reason to leave bh alive to lylo. im not gonna shoot him or anything but he seriously needs to die at some point unless he does something amazing
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On June 13 2013 01:11 Blazinghand wrote:
And whatever hapa's deceptions regarding using his shot may have been, he did them to keep the thread moving and to force reads out of people. lying about your own reads or the results of night actions (as a claimed cop) is unacceptable.
oh the double standards. I might as well just shoot you right now. Your only scumread is based off roleplaying and you continue to suck the only confirmed town's dick. If you really are town Idk what to say
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He pulled that up quite quickly as if he's been waiting to use it. I like how he strolled into the thread with a weird playstyle and got called out for it then tried to cover it up with bitchfights and jokes.
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can we get back to the part where half of the people in this game don't exist. Now that hapa is confirmed town I would like to examine my theory in greater detail that the scum team is all lurkers. Many people in this game have done very little to influence anything besides vote so maybe they are just content to let us implode.
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Not focusing on oats/BH/GM and giving more attention to the lurkers. How do you help us stutters?
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On June 13 2013 02:13 Stutters695 wrote:I helped this many. Since you claimed cop d1, you've: 1. tried to lynch BH for a "scumslip" 2. sheeped Hapa onto Jampi 3. said you wanted to shoot Syl/Myself with no reasoning 4. changed to Gravity, BH, or GK because "one of the afks had to be scum" despite that I was far more inactive than GM or BH. 5. obviously lied about a cop check, said I failed your test yet haven't explained why 6. Tried to get focus away from BH/Oats/GM despite GM and BH being among your recent people you would kill. Literally the only reason I'm not trying to lynch you right now is that you claimed cop.
So you point me to your useless filter? there's nothing worthwhile to look at there. FYI shitty town play led to my cop claim and I dont see how anything you listed is bad, I've covered pretty much everything to generate discussion. Want to explain why you are so angry in this game compared to other games ive played with you where you were town?
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On June 13 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you so angry Vayne.
You claimed cause you caused everyone to think you were scum. Thats the only reason. If you keep blaming shit town, you will never get any better.
who's angry? You guys are bad and I pointed it out. Dont be mad nerd. Not my fault some one makes a shitty case and the lurkers gobble it up. I will never take responsibility for this fail town.
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On June 13 2013 02:33 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 02:32 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 13 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you so angry Vayne.
You claimed cause you caused everyone to think you were scum. Thats the only reason. If you keep blaming shit town, you will never get any better.
who's angry? You guys are bad and I pointed it out. Dont be mad nerd. Not my fault some one makes a shitty case and the lurkers gobble it up. I will never take responsibility for this fail town. many years of dota experience have made me very good at telling when people are mad. you sir are mad
yea that's why im in my office right now eating and laughing at how retarded you all are. hu3hu3hu3.
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On June 13 2013 02:35 Stutters695 wrote:
So what did you hope to accomplish by lying about the cop check?
to make you say something, anything to get a read on you.
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BH trying to secretly get a no lynch for today. Well that was foiled quickly. Thats stutters/BH so far that can't read anyone else
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read the mayor thing im unlynchable for today. worst disguised attempt at no lynch ever
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good idea.
##vote:BH
time starts now
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On June 13 2013 03:06 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:On June 13 2013 02:55 GravityMan wrote:On June 13 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont actually remember.
Refresh my memory please. No. I've already relied on meta too much; it is not how I wanted to play this game. You can have a look yourself if you actually think BH might be scum; if he's already convinced you then don't bother. Your call. I think at this point I'd honestly be content to be shot by VA if people are unclear about me by the end of the day, if it means that you guys will believe what I have said and lynch BH. Going to go have some lunch. I'll be around later. the point isn't that oats thinks you're lying (though perhaps he does), but rather, even if your ideas are genuine that doesn't mean you're RIGHT. there's no meta case to make against me. you can't just say the word "meta" and have that be a case. As a guy who writes a lot of meta cases, let me tell you: it's hard work. it requires effort to show what a player's meta is like both as scum and as town and compare that to the current game. you have not done this. If you're wondering why the only player you've "convinced" is VA it's because you haven't put in the work to actually convince anyone. And honestly, if you are in fact town I'd like it if you DID check out my meta. You'd realize I'm town this game and stop pushing me. I have put in the work. People are ignoring it. Show nested quote +I believe the man with Blazing hands to be scum.
He is far too content to take on those who are unlikely to be able to accuse him in return.
The displays of his ego given so far would seemingly belie that the mayoral campaign should have been perfect for him yet he is quick to back down. His reasoning is the same 'survival instinct' that this VayneAuthority seems to give yet different. I believe that Blazinghand is in actuality worried here about a power grab being seen as a scum trait, much as I was worried about you in the early game.
His relentless attack of the master of Oats seems to ebb and flow with the tide of the thread; that is, he only attempts to waste the town's time by attacking him and causing chaos (as he knows the Oats will react) when it is convenient for scum. Any time a clear mislynch target is not in the crosshairs of the town, jampidampi as example, he is content with thread direction; the exception to this being his quick flip in opinion as jampidampi returned to the thread.
He has had zero useful contribution to the thread beyond what I have outlined above. If he has other suspects in this game I am not sure as to whom they might be. On this he promised more activity tomorrow, however.
I would like to make it known that initially I thought he might be a member of the town until he continued to post and I realized how his perception of himself (or at the very least, the mask he wears so that people perceive as an egotistical being) affects his play. Show nested quote +Some things to note:
I am unconvinced in this Blazinghand's act while seemingly at death's door. I feel I am able to read this Hapahauli quite well at this point in the game, and to shoot someone without any warning whatsoever is not a very mayorly thing to do. The false shot was extremely obvious to me, though admittedly an interesting gambit. However, if the false shot was obvious to me, could it not also have been obvious to a player such as this Blazinghand who could then act in the most town-aligned way possible before his death? He has nothing to lose at this point even if the shot were real because were he actually shot and his aligned were revealed to be red, the players in this game would be likely to ignore his final posts as they could be likened to poisoned wine in two goblets. He still gives no reasoning for his reads even when asked yet people conveniently ignore this.
Blazinghand is content to have me destroyed, of course, but an interesting fact to point out is this Blazinghand's mention that he would rather have me hang from a tree than simply be shot with a bullet, thus wasting one of any town's strongest tools, and an entire day on the wrong target. Yes, the mayor bullet is a strong tool as well, and any member of the mafia would enjoying obtaining it, though perhaps the mafia are content to have it wasted here instead? I am unsure. Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 10:39 GravityMan wrote:On June 12 2013 10:25 Blazinghand wrote:
hapahauli's reasoning was fine. I agree with it (or at least the part where you're asking weird questions of me and making a show of participating without hunting scum). The issue is that you can't just say "GM shoudl be shot huehuehue hapa is right" and not explain what you agree/disagree with.
Your point that stutter's post is bad/unhelpful/scummy is correct. Your idea that you shouldn't be shot tonight is not.
also the idea that i haven't offered _any_ reason to _many_ of my statements _all_ game is interesting. It's like you want to say I never offer reasoning but you know that's literally false so you try to make some kind of half-assed point. get your shit together GM Let me rephrase it then. You fail to offer sufficient reasoning to a great deal of strong stances that you take until badgered endlessly. I believe you promised reasoning as to why I should be shot or at the very least you told this Hapahauli that you'd be looking into my filter. Lack of a better shot is not a reason to shoot me, and once again, I have shown how Hapahauli's reasoning as to why I appear scummy is false. If you do not like the questions I was asking you in order to divine your alignment, then, I believe the colloquial phrase is: "tough shit?" It certainly made it easier for me to determine how it is you play and how your perceived view of yourself influences your playstyle. There is yet to be postulated one concrete objective reason as to why I am scummy. By anyone. Saying that I have not contributed is purely subjective as I believe I have and again, I have shown as such in previous posts. Sorry for the spam Corazon. Guess our dreams technically came true, btw, amirite?
can you explain this post WoS, what dreams are you referring to
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On June 13 2013 07:56 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 07:20 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 13 2013 07:14 GravityMan wrote:On June 13 2013 07:06 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 13 2013 02:03 GravityMan wrote:On June 12 2013 14:19 AxleGreaser wrote:Grav man, a number of pages back I posted this to you (before you WoS'd hi) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046Even though your posting style has now changed considerably. I am still interested in understanding what the purpose of the questions in that post was. There were rather lot of questions in the post. I am having difficulty deciding which mindset would want to post those and why. I am aware as you already said here why you say you asked them: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18860286On June 11 2013 08:02 GravityMan wrote:On June 11 2013 08:00 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2013 06:07 GravityMan wrote:
Yes, that would be the post, thank you.
While you are at it, Blazinghand, are you the type to back down when admonished?
Does this Hapahaulli play the role of 'thread police' often? Do you think that this Hapahauli is personally insulted by your play or shamed by it? He certainly does not seem to me ceasing communication. Like none of this has to do anything with scumhunting. BH thinks I'm town - why does it matter what his feelings about my play are? As I am not delving into past games to determine alignment, for players I may be having trouble understanding it suits me to attempt to figure out what each player is thinking, capable of, and even feeling in order to determine a specific mindset. If you find that irrelevant that is your prerogative, however I do not deem it so. One thing I cant marry with your statement of why that is that you did not follow those up? Since you posted that, you have again pursued BH, but without answers to the earlier questions. Why if they were GM/WoS: "In what way do you find my questions irrelevant? I am confused." didnt you seek answers. I can see one problem there were so many question in the post i doubt anyone would answer them all. So why ask them? Those questions were asked because I know how BH's ingame ego works and I was trying to find a way to show it to the thread, as can be seen in my written case against him. BH does not back down when dealing with anyone he feels is less skilled than him as can be seen by his constant tunneling of both me and Oats this game, and the way he talks to VA early. He is completely different when talking with Hapa and I wanted to make this evident; it is not a particularly towny way to play---completely deriding everyone's activity and efforts aside from one person. And what do you know, now that said person is dead there is absolutely no one to 'reign him in,' so he can act all troll-BH as he pleases, shit up the thread, offer no explanations for his reads and no one is around to scold him for it or make him stop that he will respond to. I asked those questions earlier as a way for me to logically come to this point while still in the GM persona without using meta to prove it. Difficult, time consuming, and artificially restraining myself I know, but it is how I resolved to play this specific game. I have seen BH play before as have many people. Now that you have said this I have more problems. GM:WoS: I asked those questions earlier as a way for me to logically come to this point while still in the GM persona without using meta to prove it. What do you mean by come logically to the point. Were you asking questions to get answers to them, or was the purpose of the post to ask questions, while actually logically coming to a point. Your post concludes "What I am truly unsure about is the degree to which you actually care about your ego. I would think you're more likely to discard this ego as a scum player in favor of lying, but I cannot, of course, be sure." Which looks pretty much like coming to the point of saying something. So was the point of the post the questions or the conclusion it appears to reach and state. if the point of it was the questions, and the thread needed those answers "trying to find a way to show it to the thread," then why didnt you need to get them answered at some time? To be completely honest, I'm not sure what you're asking me. Can you try and rephrase it? Aure thing that post see above. it had lots of things with ? at the end in it they are questions. Was the point of the post to ask those questions and get answers. ("show it to the thread," via answers to questions) Was the point of the post to make statement. ("show it to the thread," via statement by you) or something else. If it was questions why when you didnt you get answers didnt you ask again? and just drop it. No need to be snide. There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations. Why didn't I ask again? I don't know. I think I gave up the train of thought at the time. Trying to get BH to do anything is like pulling teeth anyway. Vayne it was a joke between me and Corazon. It's not related to the game really.
your dodging of it for so long doesn't really make me feel better about it.
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On June 13 2013 08:01 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 08:00 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 13 2013 07:56 GravityMan wrote:On June 13 2013 07:20 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 13 2013 07:14 GravityMan wrote:On June 13 2013 07:06 AxleGreaser wrote:On June 13 2013 02:03 GravityMan wrote:On June 12 2013 14:19 AxleGreaser wrote:Grav man, a number of pages back I posted this to you (before you WoS'd hi) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18868046Even though your posting style has now changed considerably. I am still interested in understanding what the purpose of the questions in that post was. There were rather lot of questions in the post. I am having difficulty deciding which mindset would want to post those and why. I am aware as you already said here why you say you asked them: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18860286On June 11 2013 08:02 GravityMan wrote:On June 11 2013 08:00 Hapahauli wrote:
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Like none of this has to do anything with scumhunting. BH thinks I'm town - why does it matter what his feelings about my play are? As I am not delving into past games to determine alignment, for players I may be having trouble understanding it suits me to attempt to figure out what each player is thinking, capable of, and even feeling in order to determine a specific mindset. If you find that irrelevant that is your prerogative, however I do not deem it so. One thing I cant marry with your statement of why that is that you did not follow those up? Since you posted that, you have again pursued BH, but without answers to the earlier questions. Why if they were GM/WoS: "In what way do you find my questions irrelevant? I am confused." didnt you seek answers. I can see one problem there were so many question in the post i doubt anyone would answer them all. So why ask them? Those questions were asked because I know how BH's ingame ego works and I was trying to find a way to show it to the thread, as can be seen in my written case against him. BH does not back down when dealing with anyone he feels is less skilled than him as can be seen by his constant tunneling of both me and Oats this game, and the way he talks to VA early. He is completely different when talking with Hapa and I wanted to make this evident; it is not a particularly towny way to play---completely deriding everyone's activity and efforts aside from one person. And what do you know, now that said person is dead there is absolutely no one to 'reign him in,' so he can act all troll-BH as he pleases, shit up the thread, offer no explanations for his reads and no one is around to scold him for it or make him stop that he will respond to. I asked those questions earlier as a way for me to logically come to this point while still in the GM persona without using meta to prove it. Difficult, time consuming, and artificially restraining myself I know, but it is how I resolved to play this specific game. I have seen BH play before as have many people. Now that you have said this I have more problems. GM:WoS: I asked those questions earlier as a way for me to logically come to this point while still in the GM persona without using meta to prove it. What do you mean by come logically to the point. Were you asking questions to get answers to them, or was the purpose of the post to ask questions, while actually logically coming to a point. Your post concludes "What I am truly unsure about is the degree to which you actually care about your ego. I would think you're more likely to discard this ego as a scum player in favor of lying, but I cannot, of course, be sure." Which looks pretty much like coming to the point of saying something. So was the point of the post the questions or the conclusion it appears to reach and state. if the point of it was the questions, and the thread needed those answers "trying to find a way to show it to the thread," then why didnt you need to get them answered at some time? To be completely honest, I'm not sure what you're asking me. Can you try and rephrase it? Aure thing that post see above. it had lots of things with ? at the end in it they are questions. Was the point of the post to ask those questions and get answers. ("show it to the thread," via answers to questions) Was the point of the post to make statement. ("show it to the thread," via statement by you) or something else. If it was questions why when you didnt you get answers didnt you ask again? and just drop it. No need to be snide. There was no grand plan behind it, I suppose you could call it a combination of both. I wasn't exactly sure how BH would answer the questions if at all so it was more that I was trying to lead him in a direction where I could show the thread exactly how he is prone to act in certain situations. Why didn't I ask again? I don't know. I think I gave up the train of thought at the time. Trying to get BH to do anything is like pulling teeth anyway. Vayne it was a joke between me and Corazon. It's not related to the game really. your dodging of it for so long doesn't really make me feel better about it. What, my dodging of the answering your question? I didn't dodge I forgot you asked. You want to hear it exactly? I didn't want to go into detail because it's not really related to the game at all and may cause discussion outside of what we need to be talking about (ie give more useless thread-shitting-up fodder to BH). Do you still want to hear it?
yea sure why not
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Alright I guess thats believable enough. If you fed me some bullshit I was going to shoot you on the spot, seemed like you were referencing something from a scum QT or something
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