hi guys
plz don't make me scum again
and plz guy make me a good role
and plz guy that has my role don't die on N1
yeah those are my 3 wishes for this game
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hi guys plz don't make me scum again and plz guy make me a good role and plz guy that has my role don't die on N1 yeah those are my 3 wishes for this game | ||
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EWOK WHISPERER!!! 'tis showtime | ||
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On June 17 2013 09:44 s0Lstice wrote: Gonzaw do you still do the 'every post a novelette' thing? only if u want me to babe ...but basically yeah, unless I don't | ||
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On June 17 2013 11:12 s0Lstice wrote: /in just don't be scum gonzaw. if you roll scum announce it to the thread kthx will do ...okay scratch that previous role, I have a new idea for a super-duper role! (if someone else wants to take Ewok Whisperer be my guest) | ||
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For instance something like this: Role: Gunner If he's scum, role PM: "You are the Mafia Gunner, you can kill 1 townie at night, but once" If he's town, role PM: "You are the Town Gunner, you can shoot someone of your choice at day, but once" | ||
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On June 17 2013 19:55 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2013 13:19 gonzaw wrote: can we make roles that reference the alignment of the guy that gets it? For instance something like this: Role: Gunner If he's scum, role PM: "You are the Mafia Gunner, you can kill 1 townie at night, but once" If he's town, role PM: "You are the Town Gunner, you can shoot someone of your choice at day, but once" Sure, as long as its not obvious what someone's alignment is based on how they use it. In that example is a bit borderline, as the role creator could tell that the person was town if they used their shot during the day. The role would probably have to be tweaked a bit, maybe allowing the mafia to shoot either during the day or at night, but only allowing the townie to shoot during the day. Okay cool Yeah that example was "bad" in that sense. But if the guy gets mafia, but he can "fake-claim" his "town role" counter-part, then it's okay right? | ||
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I'll repeat: Please don't make me a lame one-shot poisoner or some shit like that (if you don't know who I am because character name and shit, just don't make ANYBODY such a lame role, and that'll guarantee I won't get it!) Thank you for your attention, da gonz | ||
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...I don't even watch Doctor Who so I have no idea who the hell I got so it's not like it matters (I have a feeling I shouldn't have said that...) On June 21 2013 05:34 kitaman27 wrote: Brb, making gonzaw a zero-shot poisoner role. On June 21 2013 05:35 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On June 21 2013 05:33 gonzaw wrote: awesome I'll repeat: Please don't make me a lame one-shot poisoner or some shit like that (if you don't know who I am because character name and shit, just don't make ANYBODY such a lame role, and that'll guarantee I won't get it!) Thank you for your attention, da gonz Your wish is my command. A 1-shot poisoner coming up! This shit is not funny guys | ||
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On June 21 2013 06:21 Dandel Ion wrote: Oneshot poisoner is like the best role in the world 100% winrate Well that's technically true... ...I did win that game | ||
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...well I guess if you WANTED you could make it in the show maybe (I dunno) | ||
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I don't want to create awesome roles to see them be wasted and not used at all | ||
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"one shot pisione..." no "one shit po..." no "one direction poisoner" no! Dammit! | ||
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...both for the role and the terrible flavor writing lol | ||
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Sorry deconduo/Sentinel (you'll know why) | ||
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I know its crazy to thinkci can be anything BUT 1-shot poisoner....but its true | ||
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Im getting rusty dayum | ||
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Now you have waken the wrath | ||
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Too bad I was just one-shot so I have no other poison, FML Acro your plan doesn't make sense, but that's okay everybody makes mistakes. It only works if the guy that claims who he made the role to dies, so we know we can't 100% trust what that character will claim....but that doesn't really work out for us (we still can't know shit, different than if someone just claims alone without anybody claiming to whom they created the role), also yeah scum can kill him and put us in that exact situation Scum please don't kill ma nigga, he has lots of potential for this game, if he dies early the magic will be lost. | ||
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EVEN IF IM SCUM. IF I WAS SCUM I WONT LISTEN TO YOU AGAIN LIKE I DID LAST GAME (I should have shot marv instead for convincing me to kill austin!). There is more in stake in this game than a simple win. You wouldn't dare shoot Martin Luther King Jr just to win against him at Mario Kart, would you? I have a dream... | ||
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On June 22 2013 11:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: except you did try and give me some and i refused. Also, saying the name you made a role for could ultimately be retarded as someone could have ended up designing their own role. lol | ||
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On June 22 2013 13:16 Acrofales wrote: And? Try Hard Try Hard 2: Try Harder Try Hard with a Vengeance Lynch Free or Try Hard A Good Day to Try Hard | ||
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Does nobody give someone else a day vig power? You guys are boring | ||
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Teach them how it's done boy! | ||
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On June 22 2013 14:21 Zephirdd wrote: wtf is happening ill try to make some sense of this tomorrow guys just because we have weird roles doesnt mean we need to play like idiots on another note, caipirinha is really good. You all should try it if you havent. I drink that shit by the gallon boy You should try Grappamiel. | ||
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So yeah good luck with other stuff I guess. No comment on your WoS case. On June 22 2013 17:29 Xatalos wrote: At least I got a good role if nothing else Oh good, seems you got my role then | ||
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On June 22 2013 19:18 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 17:51 gonzaw wrote: Well Xatalos, I'm usually all for early-game-banter-heuristics but I don't really find anything useful in today's early-game, other than getting some town reads. So yeah good luck with other stuff I guess. No comment on your WoS case. On June 22 2013 17:29 Xatalos wrote: At least I got a good role if nothing else Oh good, seems you got my role then I take it you don't find WaveofShadow scummy so far? Or..? (That's exactly my point by the way, these filler posts haven't been a perfect start, but it's dramatically better than nothing or bland introduction posts.) Okay, time has gone by so I can just answer this. Your case was obviously "bad". You tried making very certain conclusions of really inconclusive stuff (that was the only stuff WOS posted and was, for the most part, non-alignment-indicative). That's what I call a "shitty case to get the ball rolling". Several townies do that....well.....to start scumhunting, and see people's reactions, and press people to take stances earlier, and basically try to establish a nice atmosphere earlier (which can be hard to do if your case is "bad enough" to get some shitty accusations back and shit, I remember that happening in some games previously). And that is fair and fine....but yeah the case was bad, or at least over-exaggerated stuff. Makes me feel a little better of you because townies are the ones that usually do that kind of stuff (reminds me of Keirathi in Aperture 2 I think). Scum don't start with an obvious "bad" case that puts them in the spotlight, and is obviously meant to start discussion. If they do a case they do one either completely joking (to blend in as a "not-try hard" and post something), or completely serious (to just blend in normally as if they were contributing). So props to that I guess I see there are votes flying everywhere in the voting thread, so it seems there is no cohesion at all so far (haven't read the thread yet) Seems I am needed in this situation! Off to read... | ||
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lol finally things get interesting. | ||
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On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP. Thank you, good night. Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum. I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities. Meta-scum > Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff. Okay this post is giving me red flags. 1) Half-assed apology for some unrelated "try hard" shit. He feels pressure and succumbs to it. Bad sign, scum tell right there. 0 confidence, but when it relates to "easy" pressure. Would a townie have this "breakdown" (basically begging people to forgive him for acting like he did about tryhard pants stuff) like this? If I was a townie I wouldn't feel much pressure, at least not how townies feel pressure and feel the need to apologize about this kind of thing Scum feel pressure from the get go, so it's more likely for them to succumb to it in this way (happens to me most of the time as well, at times someone asks you a random question and you still feel pressured by him). 2) Is he seriously accusing Acro for not commenting on Xata's case on him? This feels so random. You don't "not feel sure" about someone because of stuff like that. "But gonzaw! Xata made a case! Townies are supposed to comment on cases! Maybe WOS is right!" How about you go and read my previous post. Xata's case was obviously a "get the ball rolling one". I ignored it because I knew it was "bullshit" from the get go and was just wishful thinking from Xata to get people to start doing something. If Acro felt the same way, then congrats because it shows he has a (smart) townie mindset WOS doesn't seem to feel the same way though. In fact, he uses it as EVIDENCE of his suspicions on Acro....his ONLY evidence. This feels off to me. Maybe WOS just failed to realize that stuff, but to accuse Acro for something at worst actually makes him more likely town is bad. Meh I'll keep reading, but that's my thoughts on this stuff while I do. | ||
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WOS's "reasons" for FoSing him seem bullshit to me in that regard. I don't know how the hell he's reading the thread, but I just don't know if a townie would really read the thread and come to that conclusion about Acro based on that "flimsy" evidence. Maybe I'm just extrapolating my own behaviour and mindset in this game to him, so I hope I get more feedback on this and see if I'm the only one. | ||
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He's new to TL. He said he isn't new to mafia though, so we shouldn't just assume he's a noob If he was scum this would be a perfect opportunity to play some mild noob cards though. More subtle noob cards of course, maybe like what WoS is doing (apologize to the slightest of pressure, act like you dont' really know what to do, etc). So, he's not doing that, so let's just ignore that. What he IS doing is act confident, active, and just interact with people and seem sure of himself. I don't see him posting with hesitation and stuff. It's true he has no "meta" because he hasn't played in TL before, so I can't really say 100% if this makes him town or not (maybe he acts like this as scum all the time in other forums), but EXACTLY that leaves to a different conclusion: XXX has no "meta" on us either. So, XXX has no meta knowledge of us, he doesn't know us. With that in mind, would he act like this as his 1st scum game in TL (which is also his 1st game in TL as well)? Would he be this "reckless" in that sense? He doesn't know any of us so he doesn't know what to expect, he wouldn't know how we'll react, etc. If he was scum I think he'd be more cautious because of this fact, and when I read his posts "cautious" is the last thing I think of. My 2 cents... | ||
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If someone wants to have free town points in my mind, try to pinpoint which post made me think that | ||
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BC, damn dude. I can see why you get lynched D1 so often lol | ||
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...well I still have to finish reading the thread so I may back out (page 22 so far), but thoughts on people are always welcomed | ||
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...after I finish reading I'll have to analyze it a little bit more though. People that were AFK and stuff obviously won't make much impact on my "read-through analysis" because they don't post, so I may have to look at them better. | ||
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1)About the shot itself (why it didn't go through, etc), I don't really give a crap and don't want to spend time on it. If you guys want speculate yourselves, I'll just assume "role shenanigans" 2)WOS actually comes out better in my mind. After the shot he's active in discussions, arguing with BC, trying to figure stuff about BC's motivations and stuff. Before the shot he made some posts which...well I guess "feel" townie in a sense. Interacts with people a little bit more, so I guess I'll back out from that "bad" post he made. On second reading I'm not very comfortable with my "apology/pressure" analysis of his post either. Hmm....I'll leave it on hold. 3)solstice actually comes worse out of it than before to me. Will explain later. Before I do anything though, please answer this solstice: What happened to your Xata+S&B FoS? 4)Ignore everything BC says and does. But I don't want him lynched D1 because if he flips town I'll feel bad about him. He spend 99% of his time in a pointless fight with XXX I just can't comprehend how BC would be part of, and he's doing some very very stupid shit. Vig him on N1 at worst, I won't really care. I guess we'll have to talk about this in Post-game though, but leave it for there, if not you could leave a scum BC with more opportunities to just keep focus on XXX, "anti-town players" and his shot. If BC is scum leave him be and it'll be apparent soon, specially if this "shot" was his "shocking scum plan" to divert attention a-la Roulette-D2-Ace-Cop-Claim kind of thing | ||
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Comment on other people and shit ...also can I call you XXX? Doesn't matter I'll still call you XXX. | ||
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I just never read your username fully, I stopped after glancing that clusterfuck of lower/top case letters and digits lol Thoughts on WOS, solstice, and guys please sk8 | ||
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On June 23 2013 07:47 Acrofales wrote: Anybody feel like claiming they roleblocked BC? That whole thing just played out extremely weirdly... but I also think it pretty much confirms BC as a dayvig. I don't see any reason at all to lie about the ability and the way it played out as either alignment. If he is scum, then a townie with a town read on sk8er was quick on the trigger. In this case, it almost HAS to be a post-hoc roleblock, because I don't see a townie bothering to roleblock when all BC was doing was talking about deliberating about shooting. If he is town, then there's the added possibility that sk8er is scum and has a scumbuddy who can daytime (post-hoc?) roleblock. In this case it could have been a quick roleblock before he actually shot. Did anybody design a role that could have done a post-hoc roleblock? If not, I think we should lynch sk8er. The only way this would make sense is if: Sk8 is scum A scum created role X that can RB at day Another scum received that role That scum used it on Sk8 to save him It assumes that Sk8 is scum, the receiver of said role is scum, and the creator of said role is scum. That's too much coincidence. If the creator of said role is town, he'll just claim "I made this role and it exists!" and we'll know it exists, and it'll force the RBer to claim (if he doesn't RBer is scum) If the receiver of said role is town, he'll claim the RB (it's not like it "outs" him or anything, just say "I Rbed him") if Sk8 is town....well yeah lynching him is bad. | ||
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He'll also put into light if it's "post-hoc" or not, so we clear our doubts. It is indeed possible he just doesn't want to claim he made the role for some reason (if the receiver of the role is scum and shooting him maybe), so meh I'd just forget about that | ||
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Goddamit, I'll just finish reading and make sense of it later. Regarding stuff that makes Zepphirds post scummy: (reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=25#487 ) It's entirely possible (maybe likely) that BC is town. I get the feeling that if that's so, then some if not most of scum will just come out and flat out say "BC is town" in their posts. Why? Goes with the flow (general consensus is both confusion about BC's alignment/actions but thinking he's stupid town as well), fake contributions, etc. Zepphird made that kind of post, and I think kita and others made that kind of post as well That kind of post bothers me. I'm not too interested in lynching geript based on that. It'd be way easier for scum geript to do the same thing and sweep any pressure off him (as he's having now) On June 23 2013 09:23 s0Lstice wrote: gonzaw, my Xata and SnB reads have your panties in a bunch? nothing has changed, suspicions are definitely still there. The only thing of note with my scumreads that has happened between then and now is Xata's response, and I'm still considering it. I said I will update, and I will, but not before I'm ready. You just made a "case" against 2 dudes and then conveniently ignored it until I asked you about them (you were supposed to...you know...either vote them, ask people for opinions, etc) Anyways, I finished reading so I'll just post my thoughts about you now, and reread and shit later: Here's the thing solstice. You started "fine" I'd say. You started joking, jumped to the lovetap thing. Normal early-game-derp. Not super townie, but well you weren't scummy or anything. You made sense with some comments you made, and I had similar thoughts about you Acro had (that you were making comments that seemingly reflected that of his own, etc) But then came this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=18#349 On June 23 2013 03:43 s0Lstice wrote: Xatalos- Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 19:31 Xatalos wrote: On June 22 2013 18:09 Kurumi wrote: On June 22 2013 17:40 Xatalos wrote: On June 22 2013 14:56 Kurumi wrote: For a moment I thought I was still drunk after yesterday but this thread actually makes no sense. No trolling for me I guess. We're running the classic lynch, so the most votes person dies? LOL. This post *would* be scummy if it showed any actual effort to be safe from lynching. Now, it seems more like a clueless town post. On the other hand, might be 100% clueless Mafia... Take your stance, boy. I've been around here for quite some time. Also, putting my vote on Dandel for creating a terrible, spammy atmosphere and not trying to change that. Hm yeah, looking at your history, I doubt that you would start like that as Mafia. Too effortless and careless IMO. But really, voting for Dandel Ion because of spam? Granted it's not impossible that he's Mafia and spamming to "ruin the atmosphere".. I think it's safe to say that's not a typical way to play scum, especially this actively. And do you even think he's Mafia or just voting because he annoys you? To what history are you referring? Kurumi has never started out as 'effortless and careless' as mafia? I'm actually fairly suspicious of you. Since your entrance into the thread, you've posted some very wordy entries that don't really say much of anything, and contain a few 'wtf' moments, like: Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote: On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote: On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote: On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote: On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote: On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote: I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town! Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly. So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself? lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for? They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is). But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role) Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well. Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power? Who could possibly know the answer to the bolded other than skater guy? Why are you even asking this? Also your input on the claim discussion was wholly unnecessary, as the side you were arguing for was already well represented. S&B- This is ridiculous Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote: Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing. I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi. Cool story, but the town side of that story seems just as likely. I agree with Acro that this is a weak FoS. Man, so many lurky folks. Kurumi is not reading the thread: Show nested quote + On June 23 2013 01:02 Kurumi wrote: On June 22 2013 21:23 Acrofales wrote: In general, I am pretty suspicious of those who have come into the thread and lamented the pitiful state it is in (Kurumi), yet have shown absolutely NO inclination to improve it in any way, shape or form. Yadda yadda What could I do couple of hours into the game? Voted the most malicious player, remarked on bad atmosphere and moved on. I am not going to post stuff that makes no sense just to look like I do stuff, I do stuff because I do stuff, not because I want to look like I do stuff. Why did you claim who you made role for? You know that we are likely to have Assassin-type role, right? On June 22 2013 20:34 strongandbig wrote: Sk8rboi having his vote on bc is pretty weird ATM. If he's really read up on tlmafia like he says then he must have some idea what he's doing. I think he's trying to behave like "I not scared noob I vote big shot vet hurr hurr" and get people to have town reads on him. I don't like that. Fos on sk8rboi. Easiest explanation is: he is playing around or has a role revolving around voting people. Keep that somewhere when we have more evidence pointing at sk8r (if any). For some reason geript taunts me with his posts so I am not going to quote him ever, sorry guys. This after Acro explained tirelessly why he likes the claim idea. I could kill Kurumi and feel ok about it. Skater guy- You really need to clear up your thoughts on BC more. Why is BC scum? Like, I think I know what you are thinking...but these whole 'I voted to gauge reactions' and 'normal people would see my vote as just trolling' things muddy the waters a lot. BC- Looking better with his recent posts. Back to null for me. That's me being caught up. Gonna go back and dig more to refresh my scum reads. This striked me as a "antagonist scum" kind of post. It's not the aggressiveness itself, but also the contrast. Like, it's odd to me you'd go from this: On June 22 2013 08:17 s0Lstice wrote: Alright then. I like that you are in here posting comfortably. Doesn't mean a ton since you aren't a true newbie, but its a start. On June 22 2013 11:25 s0Lstice wrote: I changed my mind ##Lovetap xxSK8rGUy277xx Are you related to the skating gentleman in the avril lavigne song? On June 22 2013 12:19 s0Lstice wrote: slightly town. like I said earlier he seems really comfy in thread for his first game on TL. the lovetap thing is drawing a lot of attention to him, and he doesn't seem to give a fuck. it's not much, but its a lil something ...to stuff like "cool I can kill Kurumi and be cool with it" or stuff like that. There's also the fact that your sk8/BC comments seem like filler Also your Xatalos thing makes very very little sense: I'm actually fairly suspicious of you. Since your entrance into the thread, you've posted some very wordy entries that don't really say much of anything, and contain a few 'wtf' moments, like: Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote: On June 22 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote: On June 22 2013 11:29 kitaman27 wrote: On June 22 2013 11:18 Acrofales wrote: On June 22 2013 11:06 kitaman27 wrote: On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote: I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town! Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. Or the scum can pick off the players that created their roles and they are free to use it as they wish or modify it with a fake claim. That's silly. So what? That limits them in who they can kill. Restricting scum is a good thing. You scum yourself? lol it doesn't limit who the scum can kill. Scum can kill whoever they want, but with your plan, they're not shooting blind. I don't even understand how your plan makes sense. Why can't we server as lie detectors after the claim, without all sharing who we made the role for? They're still shooting blind. They don't know what role they're shooting nor what the role actually is other than the name (and they still don't know who that is). But I do get your point that if claims happen we can verify. Just run the risk of this only happening after people are dead and the mafia covering for each other (if someone claims and nobody pipes up that they made the role, a mafia member can "come into the thread late" and claim making the role) Hmm. This plan has far more negatives than positives IMO. Mafia are basically in the dark only about one thing: blue powers. If they know who created which role, it becomes easier to snipe players if the need appears to fakeclaim (just snipe the player who created a specific role). On the other hand, it becomes impossible for them to act until a certain player has been eliminated. This might be useful in the early game, but come late game, every has-to-be-eliminated player should already be eliminated. This just makes it easier for them to plan their shots. In addition, isn't it more advantegeous to keep Mafia completely in the dark? "Fear of the unknown is the greatest fear." That should apply to Mafia as well. Btw, is that Lovetap thing just a joke or an actual power? Who could possibly know the answer to the bolded other than skater guy? Why are you even asking this? Also your input on the claim discussion was wholly unnecessary, as the side you were arguing for was already well represented. I can't understand how Xata's question can make you suspicious of him like you make it out to be. How about this for a response: 1)Xata was DIRECTLY asking sk8 if his lovetap is a joke or serious 2)Xata wanted other people to chime in on that thing to make more sense of it Your "case" doesn't convince me at all, and it doesn't convince me YOU are convinced he's scum (or you are suspicious of him) either. After that you make "usual" posts, but sparse in between. Different than WOS's interaction with people and activity in discussions, I just see you make ocassional posts arguing with WOS, or making some comments about some stuff other people said, etc. And you ignore your own FoS on Xata and S&B, in the sense that it seems you don't care about it. You ask nobody what they think of Xata/S&B. You make no effort whatsoever to either: -Get them lynched -Convince people they are scum/suspicious -Get more thoughts about them to get better reads on people or drive discussion forward -Get thoughts about them to convince yourself if they are scum or you are looking at the wrong direction Instead of doing stuff like that, I see you have a pointless discussion about BC's meta, and you just appear to be in the "sidelines" of the BC discussion, appearing that you are contributing about it, but I just don't get the feeling you actually are. That's what makes me suspicious of you. ....meh, I'll let you guys post your thoughts and shit, I'll take a closer look at Zepphird, and maybe reread Xata (I thought he was fairly town before he arrived here, another reason I didn't really understand solstice's FoS on him....nor WOS's either to be honest). Again, tell me if I'm wrong with my approach to the Xata stuff. I thought he seemed fairly townie, for his initial "get ball rolling" case on WOS (I certainly got that feeling from it at least), his continued activity, his behaviour, etc. | ||
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solstice (stuff I said before) Kurumi (complained about people saying he's not trolling, did shit else) S&B (I'm not too convinced in him being mafia, he's acted like this as town before I think, but won't hurt to put pressure on him) Zepphird (bad initial post complaining, then uber bad next post with bland filler reads and shit) Maybe kita, haven't read his filter yet but I don't remember anything worthwhile he said I think the D1 lynch should be one of them (for now). Yeah Xfire and austin didn't do shit, but well whatyougonna do they have to come back. If they come back obvious pressure and shit. | ||
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If not we could kill Zepphird that's totally cool. His "uber bad post" just has so many half-assed rushed filler reads it's not funny. Why would he do stuff like that then do 0 scumhunting at all? | ||
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Something I missed? When is deadline? | ||
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This thing feels so so bad if he's scum. Like...if he's scum he'd be deliberately lying about the "fake shot" thing, putting lots of attention to him. And it doesn't feel like a "divertion" tactic either, mostly because it's D1 (scum don't give a shit about D1) and because it doesn't feel that way ....yeah he's not scum. Right now it's either Zepphird or solstice for me, and I can't really decide. I'm on page 35 and I think a solstice lynch may be better. Hmm, damn I don't have much time to choose :/ | ||
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Fuck I haven't even finished reading the thread, much less filters. Fuck this ##Unvote: Zepphird ##Vote: solstice Come on sheep me Zepphird still looks bad...but I get a little less confident based on him being Zepphird. I get the feeling he'd be scummy looking as town as well, and I dunno about some stuff he posts I can't really read it well I get more inclined to solstice. He acted with an aggressive approach to all pressure against him, my case, etc. He goes around like he's 100% confident Zepphird is scum, and well I don't like that attitude. I don't like his attitude of "tough macho guy" he's putting (seems he's acting like he's BH or something), and in contrast with his initial behaviour back in early D1 I just feel it's a weird contrast, I don't really think he'd have that contrast as town. Not many people commented on him other than Xatalos and others. Hey kita, you make a whole post explaining why solstice is scum but you vot sk8 wtf? | ||
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Now help us get the lynch kita, unvote sk8 and vote solstice for fucks sake, stop saying you will while doing nothing | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:24 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 05:23 kitaman27 wrote: On June 24 2013 05:18 s0Lstice wrote: yea let's do SnB. that's not a bad lynch at all. /vote and unvote You are swapping to s&B because you want to avoid a no-lynch, yet your number one super duper scum read Zeph already has five votes? What happened? Why aren't you pushing his lynch anymore instead of swapping to the "lets lynch s&b because its better than nothing" wagon? Furthermore, your super dupper scum read is vote WITH YOU, to get s&b lynched. You don't find that strange? Holy shit this makes sense | ||
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I'm under the assumptiong he'll get replaced. | ||
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Snb will get replaced, I don't really see him that much as scum (although I could). He has the same amount of votes as solstice so it's not a "he's better than NL" lynching solstice is also better than NL. | ||
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sol has 5 votes right? .... | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 05:28 gonzaw wrote: GODDAMIT WHY DID I OVERSLEEP Snb will get replaced, I don't really see him that much as scum (although I could). He has the same amount of votes as solstice so it's not a "he's better than NL" lynching solstice is also better than NL. Gonzaw could you read zephrid again and tell me what you think? Check my above post Granted I had 0 time to reread his filter, that's only the stuff I got by reading the thread normally | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:32 s0Lstice wrote: hold the fucking phone lyching me is the worst thing we could be doing right now. how am I scum? because WoS says I am based on a one game meta read? because of gonzaw's case, where he comes at me for my read on xatalos, but then later admits he isn't sure on Xatalos himself? the case where no attention is payed to possible town motivation? I've only ever played town, and one thing I generally do is admit when (as town) I've done something scummy. I don't think I've done anything scummy this game. From what I can tell, the only reason I'm under attack is I haven't made public every single time I've changed my mind this game. Explain why you switch to SNB instead of Zepphird (considering Zeph had 5 votes and SNB 0, and Zeph voted SNB as well) Explain why you are confrontrational as fuck. I don't think I've done anything scummy this game If doing scummy things was the thing determining the lynch we would still be lynching Sk8 or BC. We lynch scum. Scum try to avoid doing scummy things (they are not always successful though) If we have time then I'll reread Zeph and solstice then, see if I get something different. I'm not fond of austin either....yet his posts "feel" townie. I don't know if I should be wary of that or not. | ||
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So what are you guy's analysis of this situation? The Zeph vs Sk8 counter-wagons, sol getting votes and then me rallying people up to lynch him, SNB being brought as a counter-wagon and hastily gaining votes, etc? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:40 s0Lstice wrote: Gonzaw, I just answered your first question with Kita asked me I'm confrontational because I'm being called scum for terrible, terrible reasons. Like WoS' vote just blows me away. and WTF you are not voting me because I'm doing scummy things? you are voting me because I'm trying to avoid scummy thing? waaaaaat. your first point is presumably a scummy thing about me? this is why I can't take you seriously. you defeat your own arguments, just like you did in your big case. Your "big post" was scummy yes. The rest of your posts is you trying not to post scummy stuff. You post some advice, you get in some slight argument with WOS, etc. That's "trying to not post scummy stuff". Getting a read of your play in general that stuff is the one that makes me either null on you or slightly more scummy. But just because it's not "scummy" doesn't mean you are town | ||
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Get here boy and tell us why your vote is still on SNB, and why you won't vote solstice, or if you'll vote Zepphird again or not | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:43 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I can prove solstice is town tomorrow depending on how the night goes. I will not be on the lynch train against him. Hmm... Can anyone explain SnB's regular playstyle. Is he usually a lurker as scum/town/neutral? Well, almost every time I play with him I find stuff he does/say scummy (with the exception of just a few games I think). He doesn't usually get modkilled/replaced for not voting though. This doesn't seem "lurking" but "completely inactive". I'd assume that's not alignment indicative, even if he's somehow scum. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:44 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 05:40 gonzaw wrote: Okay, so we have time (well 20 minutes) So what are you guy's analysis of this situation? The Zeph vs Sk8 counter-wagons, sol getting votes and then me rallying people up to lynch him, SNB being brought as a counter-wagon and hastily gaining votes, etc? this didn't really happen. he got like ~3 votes or so which is really fucking little, so I am actually comfortably sure he's scum since otherwise there could've been a real wagon. the other wagons are prolly town i'm just the least sure about sol. Well, I don't know how you are analyzing it, but for me some guy just randomly said "let's lynch snb" and you and solstice and sk8 instantly jumped on it Then kita was the first one to say he wouldn't vote him Then I started the counter-counter wagon on solstice and tried to get anybody not to vote snb. I'd like to think if I hadn't start shouting at people snb would get more votes fast as well (considering nobody thinks he's town, and the "avoid nl" mentality, etc). Not sure if that's alignment indicative of snb at all, i.e "resistance to snb lynch", etc | ||
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Maybe I missed you changing your mind or something... | ||
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Hmm, let's see what Acro said, I think he said "I doubt The Doctor is scum". Did Acro post stuff specifically about solstice? | ||
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...austin counterwagon? I didn't really have time to reread Zepphird (or well even austin to be honest) | ||
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Damn I want to reread Zepphird again, but we have no time :/ | ||
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If austin is town...well I don't want town even more fucked up as before | ||
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June 23 2013 21:20 GMT
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On June 24 2013 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ok wtf, I leave 10 mins before the lynch and then we all go austin? Why the fuck didn't we kill zephrid? Gonzaw I'm getting suspicious of you, your push for austin seems very half assed an apologetic as if preparing for him flipping town. Not only that, you completly ignored zephrid who you had already called out. I really liked your play until like the last two hours of the day. Bro that looks really bad. It was half-assed and apologetic. I don't know what you expect from deciding a lynch in 5 minutes. I had second thoughts on thinking Zeph as scum (after I switched to solstice). To decide again if we could lynch Zepphird would be reading his whole filter again....in 2 minutes. I even said something like that I'm surprised you didn't read it Meh this whole thing is so shit, I'll just take it as a misslynch on solstice (there's basically no difference). | ||
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June 23 2013 21:26 GMT
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On June 24 2013 06:23 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 06:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Also, I know I said I could prove that he is town, it's NOT because he masoned me. Why could you only confirm him and not anyone else? That baffles me. It seems that you knew he was town all along. Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)? Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain? | ||
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June 23 2013 21:27 GMT
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I feel so.....dirty | ||
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June 23 2013 21:34 GMT
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Well Kurumi, this whole thing against sk8 is getting boring. It got boring with BC and it's getting boring with you. By that I mean the "ignore everything and focus 100% on lynching sk8 every single post" stuff (really BC do something else as well, your D1 is underwhelming, the ONLY other read you posted was "gonzaw and geript good and meapak useless".....) Anyways, I thought S&B was getting replaced, meh | ||
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June 23 2013 21:37 GMT
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June 23 2013 22:01 GMT
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Even in that case, if a townie made that role he would have claimed in a heartbeat to "out" the guy that did so. Something weird is going on with that. Maybe we have to wait and austin comes and claims the shot or some shit Also Kurumi, stop for fucks sake. If you have questions about Sk8's role ask Xfire. Unless you think both are scum, then if Xfire doesn't find any problems with sk8's use of his ability you should have little to worry about. If you don't then FoS Xfire as well or something. | ||
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June 23 2013 22:41 GMT
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On June 24 2013 07:23 Zephirdd wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 07:19 Dandel Ion wrote: Since the shooter is clearly scum, it'd be nice if the role creator of the thing that just killed s0l claimed. I'm pretty sure it was my mason-dayvig role. And I think I know who has the role. So you masoned someone, and that someone had an instant day vig role on D1? The shot thing is really weird, some possibilities arise: 1)The stuff you said (scum thought solstice wouldn't be lynched again, so they shot him) 2)Maybe someone has something related to the Doctor. For instance, maybe there is a 3rd party "Dalek" (was it that? I never saw the show but know there are some little cute robots that are evil with that name or something), that can instantly kill the Doctor when he claims, and he just took the shot. Maybe that's ON TOP of the PTP role he got, so nobody will be able to confirm it. Maybe it has to do with a win condition thing, so the shot wasn't much about "sowing chaos before deadline" but just a desperate attempt to get the win con or something 3)Scum had day vig all along (or at that time) and for shit and giggles shot him for some reason (instead of like shooting me or not wasting it) | ||
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June 23 2013 22:44 GMT
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...but yeah nobody claimed that so it's unlikely | ||
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June 23 2013 22:52 GMT
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June 23 2013 22:56 GMT
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On June 24 2013 07:53 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 07:52 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, yes. But we have time (unless there's an "anytime-night vig" going around), maybe someone will even claim the shot (some people were absent at lynch time, like BC, austin, and others...well not BC/austin since they made their own roles but whatever) so maybe we could wait until they do sure, the instant vig was afk while he shot. Well...Zephird, is the vig instant or not? Maybe he was a 1-shot-day-poisoner ...speaking of which my current role sucks I wish I was one-shot poisoner | ||
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June 23 2013 23:26 GMT
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June 24 2013 00:16 GMT
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On June 24 2013 08:51 Acrofales wrote: I got masoned to Gonzaw. And from the initial posts from him, he doesn't actually know why we are masoned. Yeah we are in super weird mason QT. I thought Acro was the vig-mason that shot solstice and masoned me lol Anyways, if someone created a role for someone that has that power you now know your receiver put it on us for some reason | ||
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June 24 2013 00:29 GMT
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Besides him complaining about me and tunneling Zepphird I don't remember a single thing he did. | ||
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June 24 2013 00:41 GMT
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There were lots of people active, but little going on, don't really know how to read it. The most I remember is some players "stubbornly" just focusing on a single player to lynch, like Meapak or Kurumi Then there were some people that just sheeped and kind of "flew low", like Xfire, and maybe kita. Everything else is kind of a clusterfuck. Most other active players were posting and stuff at least. But I dunno how hard/easy it'd be for scum to fake activity right before deadline in a situation like that (where there is little consensus and stuff) I know scum usually have less activity around deadline, maybe because they don't really know what to do (depending on where the ball gets rolling), and have to check in the QT and stuff, or are just happy with what is going on and don't want to post a lot (in case something happens where they need to react quickly). But lots of people were active "enough" to counteract that....so are all of them town then? I'm mostly talking about anybody that was around deadline that wasn't Meapak/Kurumi/Xfire/maybe kita (the ones I posted above), ones that were seemingly active trying to figure things out and stuff. On June 24 2013 05:51 Kurumi wrote: At least we know that 3rd party is around. Hi third party. In case you need to kill someone else, I am a really important person to Doctor Who plotline! Kurumi why did you think there was a 3rd party around, only like minutes after the shot? | ||
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June 24 2013 00:49 GMT
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What would scum do in that situation? Maybe what Meapak and WOS did...just disappear. Dandel and Zepphird feel townier because of that. Again, if this WASNT scum's "masterplan", then they are most likely town, who quickly reacted to an unknown situation in a way scum most likely wouldn't. People that sheeped later...meh, I guess it holds true to them. If austin is town, maybe they sheeped just because they could, like maybe Kurumi/Xfire/kita. If austin is scum it's then "obvious" they are all town (same thing, quickly reacting to a wagon on scum in 2 minutes is NOT something scum do. Although maybe the pressure of voting if not they would be warned would make them do that...but I think that may be unlikely). Now, is the shot REALLY from scum, or maybe from 3rd party? Was it a plan from scum to lynch town austin, or did the austin thing just spontaneously happen from the actions of townies? Speaking of which....yeah WOS disappeared with Meapak as well (for the whole "shot" thing) and appeared later when the Day ended. Kind of suspicious too. | ||
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June 24 2013 00:58 GMT
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Hmm, about Xfire: On June 24 2013 05:05 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 04:58 geript wrote: On June 24 2013 04:53 Crossfire99 wrote: Stop asking how sk8r's role works. I created it and know how it works and know how he survived. The only reason anyone else from this point would need to know how his role works is if they're scum. If you're town, you don't need to know how he survived, all you should care about is that he is alive. Leave it alone. 3 questions: 1. Why should we trust you? 2. Who's your top scum reads? 3. Why? gogogogogogoogogo 1. You shouldn't trust anything I say unless you think I'm town. I've done nothing to prove that on my own. The only way to glean anything about that now is to look at what I say about this whole sk8r issue. 2. I'm not sure right now, I've got to reread the thread. By catch up I meant read everything quickly to see what has happened. Hence I need to do work now. I definitely know who I don't want to lynch now, which is good but that doesn't help us with 1 hr remaining. 3. No idea what you're talking about. On June 24 2013 05:27 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 05:25 gonzaw wrote: On June 24 2013 05:24 kitaman27 wrote: On June 24 2013 05:23 kitaman27 wrote: On June 24 2013 05:18 s0Lstice wrote: yea let's do SnB. that's not a bad lynch at all. /vote and unvote You are swapping to s&B because you want to avoid a no-lynch, yet your number one super duper scum read Zeph already has five votes? What happened? Why aren't you pushing his lynch anymore instead of swapping to the "lets lynch s&b because its better than nothing" wagon? Furthermore, your super dupper scum read is vote WITH YOU, to get s&b lynched. You don't find that strange? Holy shit this makes sense Yeah, I'm down for a s0lstice lynch just because of this. ##Vote s0Lstice It kind of worries me that Xfire's ONLY contribution, scumhunting, etc was just 1 comment "let's lynch solstice because of that [solstice votes snb]"; and the last thing he ever commented about scumhunting was "I'm not sure". In terms of "read progression" that's too damn fast...maybe too damn fast to be believable.... He then keeps sheeping us to lynch solstice based on that. That is very very poor Xfire. That's basically the sum of your scumhunting this D1, and you WERE active before at some points. Then he sheeps onto austin (kind of late though, he's the 5th one), and that's it. The ONLY thing you've done so far Xfire is this whole "I made sk8's role" thing, but what else? I'm getting slightly worried if you'll be keeping this up in the next cycles. | ||
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June 24 2013 01:02 GMT
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On June 24 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Good timing! Yeah if I was around I would have hammered 100% 'cause I love seein' me some flip even though I haven't read into austin in the slightest. Take that whatever way you will, but I'm telling the truth. I think it's kinda funny that it was even insinuated that I should be modkilled because I didn't vote btw. Like....was it MZ who said 'yeah don't modkill/warn Wave 'cause he wasn't around for the solstice kill.' Even if it was a scumplan of mine to conveniently disappear, it's obvious that I was around and voted immediately prior to that so there is no need for a modkill or warning. I don't even see the point in bringing it up. I find it less odd that I am being suspected of afking on purpose than MZ's defense of me, and those two things are definitely incompatible. ??? If you are suspected at all is not because of something MZ said, but because something BIG happened that made everybody need to react fast, and you disappeared then. Scum are slow to react to this kind of deal if it's close to deadline. Or if they do, they fuck up and "out" themselves. There's basically no middle ground for them unless the situation is VERY comfortable (the lynch is locked on a townie, and they are confident they can get away with it unscathed after he flips town, etc). UNLESS this was a masterplan by scum, I don't think this thing was very comfortable by them. Completely disappearing in those 10 minutes, and arrive after deadline is a possible "scum reaction". You followed that reaction, as well as MZ. Doesn't mean you are 100% scum, but it's something to note of | ||
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June 24 2013 01:03 GMT
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I don't like speculating about WIFOMy stuff like that (IRL excuses and stuff). Him not really being here discussing shit is not really comforting though | ||
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June 24 2013 01:13 GMT
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On June 24 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Tell me something guys. If the person who wrote my role was fishing for it, are they more likely to be scum? 'Cause I mean...I'm curious and all as to who got the one I wrote but it's obviously going to reveal itself on its own eventually, so I don't need to fish for it. This? Well....I dunno. In my personally experience, I want the guy that gets my role to: -Be town -Live until LYLO (or a lot) so he can use it. I'd personally like knowing who got my role to analyze that stuff. I don't want someone dying and flipping my role without him using it first and experiencing fully If I was scum I'd like to know who got my role to NOT shoot him at night and let him live until end-game or something (unless there's a party-pooper marv in my scumteam >_> ), so if a scum made your role...congrats you are going to live for a long time Also I dunno if YOU got my role. You said something like "This role is awesome!" and "I know who made my role! :D" which,considering my role is....let's say "peculiar", makes me think you got it lol | ||
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June 24 2013 01:17 GMT
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I tried my best not to kill you ;_; ...the silver lining is that we won at least lol Well, not really trying to "lynch" you, but if I had to decide in the span of 2 minutes which player in the game to lynch, also taking into account town sentiment...then yeah you were a good choice. ....hmm....considering snb wasn't replaced someone could vig him tonight or something. | ||
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June 24 2013 01:24 GMT
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If it's the 2nd one, then his scumbuddy CANT claim he made austin's role, so whose role does his scumbuddy claim he made? There are 4 options: 1)Another player: Then the guy that REALLY made that guy's role will cc and he's toast 2)Another player, but someone another scumbuddy of his made the role of: Then the same process is repeated with the other scumbuddy, who has no character to claim he made the role of 3)Himself: Because you are going to believe 2 people saying "I made my own role!", instead of one of them saying he made austin's? 4)The player austin made the role of: In this case, austin makes the role of player X, but claims he made his own. In fact a scumbuddy made his role, and now the scumbuddy claims he made player X's role. If so....for what purpose? This doesn't make any sense other than convince people "there's little chance austin made his own role! He scum!". Unless there is a convincing reason (4) could have happened, then it's most likely true, regardless of his alignment (or maybe he is scum with BC and they did (3) lol) | ||
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June 24 2013 01:28 GMT
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June 24 2013 01:31 GMT
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Also it serves no purpose other than to MAKE THEM MORE SUSPICIOUS (like you are doing right now). .....just live and let live, ignore that claim unless evidence is presented otherwise, which if is false will be soon enough most likely | ||
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June 24 2013 03:06 GMT
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June 24 2013 03:40 GMT
#1112
On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote: I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good. Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er. Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too. I'm just a little worried about his actions right before the lynch. Instantly sheeps solstice and is 100% sure about his lynch (unlike others who were also considering snb, or Zepphird, etc). Gave little reason for it and felt too "quick". Then sheeps onto austin without really saying much about him (although that was quick I assume so maybe he didn't have too much time to think about it). I'm open to suggestions about his behaviour, etc | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#1175
On June 25 2013 01:43 Acrofales wrote: Ah goddamn it. DI has got me doubting again. I went through Xata's older games and the whole waffling stuff and using extremely longwinded run-on sentences seems to appear more in his town games than his scum games (at least, I compared British to Dessert, and I vaguely remember the newbie we were in together). Let me put it this way: I can see why he wasn't lynched in Dessert, and it's largely because he is not doing anything dumb like posting waffly crap about how Kurumi is 100% town or 100% scum (like he did in this game). linkys? People, you should really post your past games in your profiles. If not meta-reading is a pain in the ass On June 25 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 01:46 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Homicidal urge is under control again. Lets go back to killing MZ, SnB and austin. Crisis averted. What... That was really fast. Care to explain how I went from clear scum to townish in a matter of 30min or something? Apparently you read through my previous games. Why did you do that AFTER making your case, not before you met resistance in the form of DI and myself? Sadly it looks like justification to abandon the failed bandwagon... Meaning you appear in a more scummy light based on these recent posts. Also, what exactly about my defense "averted the crisis" (excluding you checking up my posting history)? This is just a very strange chain of events and I want to hear your reasoning. Ugh, I hope I don't have to drop you as well from my townreads.. What bothers me about you Xatalos is this "objective 3rd person" narrative you make. You say stuff like "you are doing X, and this makes appear in a more scummy light" instead of stuff like "you are doing X and I think you are more scummy because of it". It could be interpreted as scum "treading" carefully with his posts and suspicions, i.e "waffly waffles" If I could read your previous town games it may make me feel better/worse about you....but if you do it as town it's a "weird" characteristic of your play :/ I have very little else to say that wasn't said by now in terms of players so I'll just wait for the right guys to do the stuff they need to do (e.g let's see if BC finally posts something that's not about sk8) Speaking of this whole sk8 thing: For fucks sake please post all the shit you need to post and defenses etc in a clear manner and get over with it This goes to both of you. For instance: sk8: Can you tell us in which exact post you realized you could use your ability? I.e prove to us you weren't actually lying with that "BC is faking his shot", and show us which posts prove to us you stopped saying that (if you could....I dunno...SCUMHUNT as well then it'd be appreciated too) BC: So what about sk8 being able to confirm himself as town? What about Xfire not saying anything about it (therefore basically confirming it)? Do you care about that at all? Because if Xfire isn't complaining then it's either true or both Xfire and sk8 are scum. Even if it's the 2nd one...he won't confirm himself as town never, therefore we'll lose our patience at some point and lynch him. If the 2nd one is true, would a scum sk8 lie like that just to gain a little more time, but make it so he and Xfire go down 100%? Also, this goes out to BC and austin (and others maybe): You guy should make a 150% effort in trying to establish yourselves as town. Why? Because you wrote your own roles. If we are not sure you guys are town, we are not sure what your abilities are, and NOBODY can prove anything about them. For instance, if I (as scum) have a super day vig shot, and I use it tomorrow to kill super-townies, then when I claim my role I'll most likely get lynched for it because my role maker will claim "gonzaw scum yo". It works the other way as well, if I DONT do anything weird, still, when I claim my role creator will vouch for me and you guys will know I CANT use a super day vig shot to kill super-townies I have no idea if any of you 2 can use super-anti-town-day-vig shots or not, so if you guys are scummy townies, it'll just create paranoid (and maybe get you lynched I guess). So yeah, you have more responsibility than the rest of us in that aspect... ...I say this because both of you aren't doing a great job at that Speaking of roles: Dear role creator, Did you roll scum before or after creating my role? I think you may have rolled scum BEFORE because this shit is the most anti-town thing ever how the fuck am I supposed to use it? You are supposed to design roles so they are usable by either alignment (I don't even care if it's OP or not, it should be USABLE at least) Currently my role is UNUSABLE as town, so I'm basically a VT now. So thank you for that... ...unless there's a hidden strategy I'm missing, so if the time comes where I have to make a super-pro-town plan just tell me, because I have no idea you can do anything that slightly resembles something pro-town with this role Thank you, Unsatisfied role customer I could even claim my role because idgaf, but well it's night and all so maybe it's a bad idea I just wanted to vent | ||
gonzaw
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June 24 2013 18:39 GMT
#1181
So BC; what about kita? You think he's scummy scummy scum? On June 25 2013 03:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, xat. The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this. He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing" He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more. Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling. See? You just had to say that single line to make things clearer instead of making everybody confused as fuck about this whole shit. That does indeed make things interesting. Kurumi might have something to do with that, if not one of you is lying (although this kind of seems improbable, there's little reason for scum to lie with pointless shit like this) Also sk8 please thoughts on someone other than BC as well | ||
gonzaw
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June 24 2013 18:43 GMT
#1184
On June 25 2013 03:37 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 05:31 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote: SKAITER, ACRO, KURUMI. WHAT ARE YOU DOING I am voting the guy I believe is scum the most. Acro is sleeping, left both his votes on the guy he believes is scum the most. Sk8ter is scum. Acro left thread a couple hours earlier after posting: Show nested quote + He doesn't say he's sleeping. On June 24 2013 02:47 Acrofales wrote: STUFF BUT ALSO And, because I am heading out, I am putting my secret vote on him as well. Yes, I have a secret vote. And no, I see no point in keeping that secret. o_O Acro, you better check you lock your windows and doors before going to sleep, just saying... | ||
gonzaw
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June 24 2013 18:45 GMT
#1186
##Silence: sk8 STOP arguing with each other for a few moments, and interact with us. If you two could answer my questions then I'd be happy Know that I charge you 100$ each for the counseling sessions, so you better make the most of it! | ||
gonzaw
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June 24 2013 18:52 GMT
#1194
1)I think he said his Acro vote WASNT for shits and giggles (thus wasn't trolling) 2)I fail to see where he said sk8 was his "#1 infallible 100% super duper scum read", he just said this: As far as scumreads go, don't have any yet, aside from you. It is indeed a "I think he's scum" post, but well, it's vague enough to maybe not being thought of as 100% sure scum (him being vague like that isn't townie either). Hmm, I'll keep reading. Ultimately, I wouldn't mind WOS lynched...mainly because he doesn't have my role (thus I'll know 100% my role will still be alive) lol | ||
gonzaw
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June 24 2013 18:54 GMT
#1195
On June 25 2013 03:45 WaveofShadow wrote: lololol I suspected earlier that gonzaw got my role and now I'm almost certain of it. Makes me think he's likely to be town considering he's been complaining about it all day and I highly doubt he's been setting it up for so long. Gonzaw if you have my role and are town, there probably isn't a good way to use it, at least not the way you've been playing. I am also unsure as to whether or not any changes were made to it. You should just relax and have fun with it. It has potential but it probably requires a lot of thinking on your part when activated. IF you have it. Will be in and out until later this evening. ...okay you are getting lynched tomorrow >: ( ....goddamit dude | ||
gonzaw
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June 24 2013 18:56 GMT
#1198
I was mostly comparing it to solstice's (which I found scummy); at least in the sense that WOS was there actively discussing shit about BC/sk8 and trying to figure the whole shit out... ...now I'll get the obvious "but it's irrelevant stuff to scumhunting, any scum could do that!" comment, but well, it's the WAY he does it which doesn't really seem like obvious scum faking contributions. Meh, I may need to reread that again (I'm leaving in a couple of minutes anyways) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 19:16 GMT
#1199
Could a scum really fuck up so much as to call a guy scum then out of nowhere change his read on him (in contrast with changing his read when he's not posting about him)? Hmm, I think the WOS thing might resolve itself by just checking his play in Roulette, so I'll just do that after coming home If I have time I'll look into kita as well. Also, anybody else has thoughts on Xfire? Or do you all think he's likely town (other than austin....who I don't even remember what he said?) Also austin wtf is with those lone posts posting weird shit (at least un-austinlike shit)? Why aren't you here discussing shit with us? On June 25 2013 03:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Also their is a fundamental flaw in the way you guys are scum hunting. If you go and tunnel everything someones posting, tell them that's why you think they are being scummy. Then they will defend it and try to fix it. Which will just make it harder to pinpoint them as scum later. I get my reads, hold them until I am sure and then post it. That way there is no wiggling out for the scum. It also makes me more of a threat to Mafia since they do not know if my reads are going to condemn them or not. Okay, then have fun getting (mis)lynched. You know what, everybody should just do what you are doing, let's all pick a single guy to argue about circular shit and never disclose any scum reads at all until it's D6 or something. I'm sure we'll have this game in the bag! Here are the top 3 priorities as town: 1)Establish innocence 2)Hunt scum 3)Not fuck up the thread You are failing on all 3 so far (wouldn't really fail on 1 if you didn't fail so much on 2 and 3), so please revise that strategy of yours, and that "fundamental flaw" you are talking about. READ THIS SHIT SK8 Did I get your attention? Good, because I'll assume you have read this and are aware of it by now, so if you keep doing what you are doing I'll be forced to think you are doing it with a scum agenda behind it And with that, I leave Stay classy Liquidia | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 19:24 GMT
#1207
On June 25 2013 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Gonzaw is on the right track, I wonder how many scum have jumped on the 'wave is a good lynch' wagon thus far? Ill tell you a secret though, I don't think I've ever been this inactive in any game I've played. The time with BC/sk8r is how I play as both scum and town, but of course you're welcome to make what you will of my meta. Ill tell you another secret. I'm not a good lynch. How about instead of saying that you explain why the shit MZ said is false? Also, I want to be sure where I want my anger directed towards, you or sk8: What is the 3rd letter of the char you made the role of? On June 25 2013 04:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gonzaw I remember now why I like you so much I am here to please | ||
gonzaw
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June 24 2013 19:24 GMT
#1208
On June 25 2013 04:22 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Gonzaw is on the right track, I wonder how many scum have jumped on the 'wave is a good lynch' wagon thus far? Ill tell you a secret though, I don't think I've ever been this inactive in any game I've played. The time with BC/sk8r is how I play as both scum and town, but of course you're welcome to make what you will of my meta. Ill tell you another secret. I'm not a good lynch. How about you show us why instead of just saying that. Stop ninjaing me > : ( | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 21:55 GMT
#1300
I have this weird gun of something that shoots players randomly. Great, another role mechanic that deals with me killing random townies /rolleyes Really I just can't believe this shit lol I have a virtual class or some shit now so I'll be keeping up sporadically. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 21:58 GMT
#1305
On June 25 2013 06:56 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 06:55 gonzaw wrote: Hi guys I have this weird gun of something that shoots players randomly. Great, another role mechanic that deals with me killing random townies /rolleyes Really I just can't believe this shit lol I have a virtual class or some shit now so I'll be keeping up sporadically. then... don't use it? I got the feeling it shoots automatically or something (maybe that's an overexageration though, asking mod though). Still...who the fuck would create that shit and give it to me wtf? You guys come up with the worst stuff ever for roles/inventions for christ's sake | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:00 GMT
#1309
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:01 GMT
#1311
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:07 GMT
#1316
On June 25 2013 07:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also, sorry for the item Gonzaw. It is designed in a way that has a higher chance of killing mafia. I am well aware it can backfire and hurt town instead though =( You mean, it has a higher chance of killing a townie because EVERYBODY HAS NIGHT ACTIONS (except me obviously)? Yes, yes you are correct | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:08 GMT
#1317
Great Was MZ town or scum? That whole "2 colors" thing confused me | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:09 GMT
#1318
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:15 GMT
#1321
It will get shot no matter what anyways. Although if it kills a townie maybe lets just let that guy live a little while longer | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:17 GMT
#1325
During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing. I FUCKING KNEW THE MASON HAD HIDDEN SCUM IN IT. TAKE THAT SCUM! THATS FOR KILLING CHRISTOPHER Hey so many stuff happening hold on people | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:18 GMT
#1326
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:18 GMT
#1328
On June 25 2013 07:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Yay confirmed town head!! I'm glad I didn't waste my time defending myself. Gonzaw the gun you got isn't part of your role is it? I'm decently sure you're toewn so 3rd letter is... No, but my role also makes me shoot random townies so what's the difference? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:19 GMT
#1329
On June 25 2013 07:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 07:15 gonzaw wrote: So do I shoot now or what? It will get shot no matter what anyways. Although if it kills a townie maybe lets just let that guy live a little while longer you have to shot it. But you control when. Longer you wait, more likely scum get caught in it. So.... I can shoot it tonight, and it will take place on N2 (on the actions people do on N2)? So...can we just ABSTAIN from doing anything at night, and I use it on N2, and it 100% kills scum? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:23 GMT
#1335
On June 25 2013 07:21 WaveofShadow wrote: If your role makes you shoot people its not mine. No, but the ONLY thing it does is kill townies basically, at least with the same chance this gun of mine (I got right now) does. Anyways, so you confirmed town then? Cool, any other confirmed town? That way I have less filters to read | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:25 GMT
#1338
On June 25 2013 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and by I was the inventor, someone made me the inventor. It was one of the 2 actions I know I was targetted by after sentinel was figuring out all the actions he got at once. You were inventor... ...and you made that shitty gun. We should have lynched you on D1 | ||
gonzaw
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June 24 2013 22:36 GMT
#1348
On June 25 2013 07:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 07:25 gonzaw wrote: On June 25 2013 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and by I was the inventor, someone made me the inventor. It was one of the 2 actions I know I was targetted by after sentinel was figuring out all the actions he got at once. You were inventor... ...and you made that shitty gun. We should have lynched you on D1 then meapak wouldnt be dead -_- yes, your day-gun is awesome but the one I got is shitty. You have to be less selfish man! Don't create the best inventions to yourself and give others shit ;_; | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:38 GMT
#1350
Does MZ being red heavily implicate austin as scum? You know, considering MZ DISAPPEARED when the austin wagon happened and came shortly after the lynch to complain about it As for my thoughts....yeah I haven't read the thread yet, but so far austin made some weird as shit posts that I couldn't understand at all, and is un-austin-like (at least his town self) He seems more like jester than scum at some points. But well whatdoiknow? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 24 2013 22:39 GMT
#1353
On June 25 2013 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 07:36 gonzaw wrote: On June 25 2013 07:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On June 25 2013 07:25 gonzaw wrote: On June 25 2013 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and by I was the inventor, someone made me the inventor. It was one of the 2 actions I know I was targetted by after sentinel was figuring out all the actions he got at once. You were inventor... ...and you made that shitty gun. We should have lynched you on D1 then meapak wouldnt be dead -_- yes, your day-gun is awesome but the one I got is shitty. You have to be less selfish man! Don't create the best inventions to yourself and give others shit ;_; well. To be honest. It was a way for me to get a better read on you. Mafia would be jumping for joy at that shit right now *sigh* Did you make my role by any chance? You and my role creator may seem to have the same mindset for giving me shitty stuff | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 00:47 GMT
#1376
On June 25 2013 09:06 WaveofShadow wrote: So even though Gonzaw doesn't have my role, something he said rang true in that I think the role I wrote might end up being....easier for mafia to use than town? Should I reveal the role I wrote/force a claim because there is no risk to myself? The fact that I can't think of anyone who has hinted at my role right now worries me. Okay, so we are not lynching you today. We lynch Sk8 because he's more likely to have made my role (he said so himself) GG flawless plan ##Vote: sk8 | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 00:56 GMT
#1378
1)Yes, austin seems like the "obvious" lynch...but well that's already set so let's do some other shit instead, at least until he shows up 2)I don't like Xfire's entrance to this thread now either. On June 25 2013 08:05 Crossfire99 wrote: Haha, this game is awesome! I'm loving the ideas you guys came up with for these characters. Good job BC. I have to think about the whole austin and meapak thing. It sure seems that austin could be scum because meapak didn't hammer him. Does this mean that Zeph is confirmed town? He was the other main target of meapak besides WoS? Meh, maybe I'm paranoid, but this feels weak. In an overall case Xfire made very very little contributions (like I said before). I don't really regard his "support" of sk8 as alignment indicative that much. A scum Xfire would find (possibly) it "easy" to gain cred by defending sk8, and maybe he also did it because if he DIDNT he'd get lots of scummy points for letting sk8 get bandwagoned when he could have explained the situation. Nothing strong, but if I get less and less scum candidates (for instance if austin/snb/maybe kurumi/etc are town), he's a prime choice of mine. At least he didn't have those scummy tryhard posts from MTG 2, so I'm not really that confident in saying "xfire totally scum yo". Meh, time will tell 3)2 players that so far (since D1 ended) that have been very under the radar are Zepphird and Kurumi. Maybe we could kill one of those as well. 4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone? Did I miss anyone? Oh, well kita seems to be making some "good" posts. I'd like a link to a scum kita game, mostly because kita just being "there" (not being in the spotlight, etc) also made me think he was scum in Roulette, and well he was town. Without any heavy thinking about the game that's how it is for now. I assume I'll have to reread to make a proper vote (goddamit ) but well that'll come later. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 01:00 GMT
#1379
On June 25 2013 09:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 09:16 Dandel Ion wrote: That is not exactly less vague. like though I must admit less so now considering I can still talk. ? is this a reference to your role, the role you made, not any reference at all, who fucking knows if you're vague as shit. I am saying the role I created is potentially dangerous in scum hands. It would be even more dangerous if I were unable to talk in thread though to reveal details about the role when it shows up, so I am unsure as to whether or not I should reveal the role I created. Do you know who has your role currently? If you have doubts about him, then it may be a good idea to either spill it out, or spill out who got your role, or tell us who got your role and let him post the info he deems necessary (so you may get a read out of him as well maybe). Without specific info on who got your role and your role it's difficult to say what you should do. Worst case scenario nobody (I assume) was enough of a dick to create a BC kind of role (shoots claimers) or stuff like that so having known info about a role wouldn't be bad. Speaking of which, to mah nigga: Hope you are making the right decisions, I'd hate to have to spoil everything to you. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 01:01 GMT
#1380
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 01:21 GMT
#1384
On June 25 2013 10:04 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote: 3)2 players that so far (since D1 ended) that have been very under the radar are Zepphird and Kurumi. Maybe we could kill one of those as well. Kurumi in particular. Zeph less so based on his interaction with Meapak. I plan on rereading the Zeph wagon. From what I remember he had lots of votes as well (6 at some point, right?), and MZ was very active (or so I remember) trying to get him lynched. Unless sk8 was also scum or something, that makes it unlikely Zeph is scumbuddies with MZ. I'll have to read it again though Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 09:56 gonzaw wrote: 4)Vig shot on snb anyone? Or I guess he'll get replaced now since he's not showing up...in which case...vig shot on snb's replacement anyone? Why not call a vig on the player you think is most likely to be scum, rather than a random shot in the dark? You mean, why not call vig on a random player I'm not sure is scum yet (austin? or Xfire? or Kurumi?), rather than an anti-town dude that was inactive since 48 hours ago (or more) and will either vote and do shit or be replaced by someone on N2 (so we have 0 info on that guy)? Read guides, vig shots are not just an ego-boost to shoot people you think are scum | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 02:10 GMT
#1387
On June 24 2013 04:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: votecount Votes: BC (0) - WoS (0) - Dandel Ion (1) - Kurumi (0) - SnB (0) - Acrofales (0) - austin (0) - geript (0) - s0lstice (3) - Xatalos, WoS, Dandel Ion, Zephirdd (4) - austinmcc, s0lstice, Sk8rguy (6) - Acrofales, Kurumi, ???, BloodyCoobler, Zephirdd, kitaman Bubbas not voting: strongandbig, Crossfire99, gonzaw Sk8rguy is the leading bubba with 6 votes. 9 votes are needed to lynch a bubba. Tell me if I missed anyone. Only votes in the voting thread count! Almost ONE HOUR before deadline, this was the voting count. But it's "worse" than that, in the sense that I voted Zepphird by that time as well, so Zeph had 5 votes, while sk8 had 6. At this point there were NO OTHER COUNTERWAGONs, Then this happens: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18985299 Zepphird UNVOTES SK8. This puts Zepphird at 5 votes tied with sk8. It is some time later (with no other votes changing), that Dandel initiates the snb counterwagon. Not Meapak, not Zepphird, not any other shifty character (i.e shody scum), but Dandel. Dandel's push of snb was mostly about not killing sk8, not really about Zepphird. So, if Zepphird is scum....wtf are scum doing? Zepph unvotes the main lynch candidate to put him in even more peril? Unless ALL scum were on sk8, no other scum could do anything? Not even Meapak? Zepphird just casually goes along, posting about sk8, then about solstice. Doesn't look like a nervous scum that knows could get wagoned and die in any minute. There is one "weird" thing though, Meapak votes Zepphird when Zeph had 3 votes, then disappears, but comes back exactly 1 hour later after the snb push (not before). If they were scumbuddies, and they were confident Zepphird would NOT get lynched (if they analyzed town sentiment correctly), maybe they just let MZ bus him, but one he gathered votes wait until he loses votes to come again and "push" him. But...are they that "smart" to do that? On June 24 2013 05:29 Zephirdd wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 05:27 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 24 2013 05:25 gonzaw wrote: On June 24 2013 05:24 kitaman27 wrote: On June 24 2013 05:23 kitaman27 wrote: On June 24 2013 05:18 s0Lstice wrote: yea let's do SnB. that's not a bad lynch at all. /vote and unvote You are swapping to s&B because you want to avoid a no-lynch, yet your number one super duper scum read Zeph already has five votes? What happened? Why aren't you pushing his lynch anymore instead of swapping to the "lets lynch s&b because its better than nothing" wagon? Furthermore, your super dupper scum read is vote WITH YOU, to get s&b lynched. You don't find that strange? Holy shit this makes sense Yeah, I'm down for a s0lstice lynch just because of this. ##Vote s0Lstice things like this makes me less wanting to lynch sols. He was being sarcarstic what the fuck. On June 24 2013 05:30 Zephirdd wrote: oh wait nvm, he actually voted snb This is something else that makes me think he may be town. Would scum Zepphird do that "mistake", regarding the guy he's pushing RIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE? This seems like a mistake of just not reading correctly things that have happened, but still wanting to post your thoughts on the matter because you are keeping up with the thread. It doesn't seem like a deliberate "plan" from scum to....do something about it (maybe appear more townie by appearing to make dumb mistakes?), specially if he ends that with "this makes me less wanting to lynch sols". I doubt a scum would make such "let's fake some town trait and rush to appear townie" saying he thinks his scum target is less scummy. There are 2 options if he's scum: 1)He thought it was genuine (he really thought sol didn't vote snb): In which case...then what? He, as scum, would honestly believe sol didn't vote snb, and he said out loud, in the thread, he thinks sol is less scum because of it. Half an hour before deadline. If he's scum.....what would he do next? Why would he "flip-flop" like that, which (in his scum eyes') would at best do nothing and at worst put more attention to him (for flip flopping on sol, his scumread), to then end up with a null read on his target? He'd have to push someone else in 30 minutes? Why? Why go through that unnecessary effort to expose himself even more? Doesn't make sense 2)He already knew sol voted snb: This is what I was stating before. If this was a "plan" by scum Zepphird...for what purpose? For nothing basically, since it was done in the rush of a lynch and nobody paid notice to it (until I did just now). If it was in the middle of the day, or with a "blunder" (like actually voting someone and "fucking up", to make us WIFOM, etc), then it'd be a different thing, but here, if it was planned, it makes no sense at all. Look at, for instance, confirmed scum Meapak. He had a clear agenda the whole time before deadline: Push Zepphird and complain to other people in sporadic posts. You can see that agenda every time he posts. There's no such agenda with Zepphird's posts....he's just there...he's just existing in the thread keeping up with it, and making rushed comments like those, which end up being mistakes. So yeah, Zepphird is most likely town, unless someone would like to refute all this and go the "MZ super bussed him knowing he wouldn't get lynched and Zepphird is just cool as hell as scum" route or something. So...one less suspect, that leaves Kurumi, austin, snb, Xfire and maybe geript/kita to me Should be easy finding 3 scum there, right? (although I kind of want to wait for sk8 to see wtf he's going to do) Hmm, I also kind of want to reread Xatalos...just in case (the "anti-Xatalos" guys, solstice and Acro to an extent, are dead, so I want to be sure before he keeps living and he's either scum or we get paranoid as hell later. I invite people to do that as well.) Xatalos, do you have links to previous games of yours please? I already asked before. | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 02:15 GMT
#1389
On June 25 2013 11:05 Crossfire99 wrote: Additionally, if the solstice shot was mafia, which I think makes the most sense, they probably thought the lynch would jump to one of the other prime suspects which were sk8r and zeph. They wouldn't do this if either of them were scum. To me this further says that zeph is town (along with sk8r who I've said so repeatedly). First of all, damn you for ninja Second, that's actually a good point. If we assume the shot came from scum (and not 3rd party), then it was possible for people to wagon on Zepphird after that shot (hmm, maybe scum realized town sentiment was more onto lynching austin....but would they risk scum Zepphird's life for that? Even after MZ conveniently disappears and doesn't try voting austin to save Zepph?). However...I don't really find much reason for a scum to do that shot (solstice was already misslynch and at 8 votes, you just cruise and let the misslynch happen, and you keep the anonymous-asassin-shot for when it matters, like D3-D4, or at least shoot Acro/me and get rid of a strong townie). I think it is very likely it's 3rd party shot. Either something that has to do with the Doctor which made him instantly shoot him to gain something (maybe gain the Tardis? Maybe his win con is "you should personally kill the Doctor"? I dunno), or he just had the chance, felt like trolling and watching chaos evolve, and did it for giggles. Either that or there's a semi-rogue scum doing whatever he likes just randomly using his powers or something. | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 02:21 GMT
#1391
At worst, there is an additional scum power (like MZ's disguise thing maybe?) that does something like that....but meh, I doubt scum would gain KP as an additional power (on TOP of their own PTP role) Speaking of which...who made MZ's role? (that "Rosy" thingy) Kind of weird nobody claimed creating it...considering there's no downside to doing so basically Maybe I just missed it. Although I guess it won't be that hard to find out who he is: This is my first PTP... So if you are scum....you dun goofed lol | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 02:25 GMT
#1392
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 02:33 GMT
#1395
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 02:36 GMT
#1397
If I get lynched a random dude that voted me dies But here's the best part, each night I can visit someone and he gains the same ability (after I visit him, if he gets lynched a random dude that voted for him dies). I have no use for it and there is no use in hiding it from scum or whatever because I'll never use it, so let's just get it over with (hopefully obs qt guys have pity on me or something) | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 02:49 GMT
#1400
On June 25 2013 11:46 geript wrote: Gonzaw, you created the Doctor's role right? No, Susan (Acro) created it. I have no idea who has my role lol (hopefully he's not fucking up) | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 03:03 GMT
#1401
geript, sk8, thoughts on analysis of Zepphird? If you disagree, state why If you agree, cool let's find some scum (you can start with those guys I posted at the bottom of my post) Hmm, random thoughts about scum austin: So, would scum austin be this "submissive"? I mean, for instance look back at Aperture 2. He was obviously trying there (as scum), he tried to appear town and play the game, he wanted to live long and survive. He doesn't do that now. He's inactive as hell, and when he's here he just makes 1 illegible big post and leaves. Okay, maybe he just thinks the scumteam is fine and he has little time so he doesn't even try....but that doesn't seem like it. MZ was scum, he was lurky and didn't really put himself up to survive for a long time, or try to push town around, etc. Some people, like Dandel/Xata/BC are town (let's assume that just for the sake of this argument), so the scumteam would be a bunch of lurkers doing little then? If that's the case...would austin REALLY act like this? If I'm getting the correct sensation about this scumteam, then it seems to me scum austin would try to gain control of the situation. At the very least discussin and being that "tryhard townie" he was in previous games as scum (at least when he is active, he could still be mildly inactive due to IRL). But he doesn't. So if he's scum....wtf is he doing? Did the scumteam resign already? The other option is, there's another "leader" in the scumteam. By "leader" I mean guy that scum want to keep alive for long, or at least have an idea can manipulate some stuff around and maybe bail them out, etc, so austin feels free to not try so hard this game. This would be a guy like Dandel, or Xatalos. Hmm, maybe kita would fall on this regard as well. So, if we set a (most likely false) dichotomy here, either austin is town, or Dandel/Xata/maybe kita/etc is scum. Which one do you believe (just roll on for the sake of discussion)? | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 03:35 GMT
#1403
So yeah, if Zepphird is not scum that's what matters to me in terms of analysis. In my ideal world we lynch all scum first in succession, and 3P dies/is found in between (gets caught by DT, etc). Well, right now I'm not 100% sure on anybody so I can entertain the notion of scum Dandel if you would be so nice to show why. He isn't acting like MTG2 Dandel I think (while Acro was acting like that for instance), but I get the feeling he posts too much effortlessly about stuff, ie without hesitation and stuff. That makes me think of him as likely town. Basically he's "everywhere", he's in every discussion, etc. Scum rarely do that, unless they are trolling or something, but Dandel seems to show original thoughts and contributions and shit in those cases (scum just usually tend to focus on few stuff, like MZ with sk8 and Zeph, etc) | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 04:24 GMT
#1409
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 18:44 GMT
#1493
If I use it now, it'll kill someone that used an action on D1/N1 If I don't use it, as soon as D2 ends it'll kill someone that used an action on N1/D2 So, people that did an action on N1 are a constant so that doesn't matter (also there's scum so I guess it's good) So the difference comes in D1/D2 People that used a power on D1: Kurumi (create invention) BC (shoot sk8 guy) sk8 (prevent shot) ??? mystery shooter (shot solstice) Meapak (make me mason buddy with Acro) People that used a power on D2: BC (pulverized MZ) So yeah, I don't want to kill BC alone so I'll shoot RIGHT BEFORE the deadline (so it still counts as D2). Also I have a chance to kill our mystery scum shooter from D1 because fuck him. I wouldn't mind Kurumi dying all things constant I guess, and well sk8 dying is not the end of the world either (serves him right for the role he made me > : ( ) What you say? | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 18:45 GMT
#1494
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 19:01 GMT
#1496
On June 25 2013 23:59 austinmcc wrote: Hey duders, stop lynching me. Gonzaw's onto something here: ... Even more than Aperture, just look at Chrono Trigger. I replaced in, was super-duper-mega caught, fought my ass off to get phagga (i think) lynched late in the game and died next day. I'm not lurky scum. Hmm....you have a point.... Okay, austin confirmed 3P GG | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 19:11 GMT
#1497
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 19:25 GMT
#1498
But...oh well I guess I'll have to read his filter now (and previous games). I hate this part of playing mafia | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 19:26 GMT
#1499
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 19:38 GMT
#1501
On June 26 2013 04:33 austinmcc wrote: Kita did not receive notification last night that he became a vet. ...so? DAMN, the filter thing changed so now I try to use filters in other games and the links are broken ;_; | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 19:39 GMT
#1502
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 19:42 GMT
#1504
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 19:59 GMT
#1511
Anyways, links to Xfire's shit: MTg2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088&user=Crossfire99 Themed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553&user=Crossfire99 WLIIA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652&user=Crossfire99 This game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738&user=Crossfire99 Thoughts: As scum he is very "try-hard" and tries to blend in a lot, posting bullshit reads, etc. I don't see that this game. Xfire doesn't try to blend in at all this game, and I'd say if he's scum his "insta-vote" on solstice would put some unnecessary pressure on him, he maybe would have tried faking some contributions before that point I'm worried about him being 3rd party. He has done 0 scumhunting. I'm not being figuratively here either, but literal, he has literally not tried hunting for scum at all (barring that "let's lynch solstice because of this 1 post" stuff). He spent all D1 talking about sk8's role (and how town sk8 is), then doing the insta-weird votes on sosltice+austin. On N1 he doesn't do shit, and this D2 he spends most of his time arguing his town read on Zepphird and little else basically Like...reading back older games it's unlike his scum meta....but there's a line for what I'm willing to use that to overlook his lack of scumhunting I'm not comfortable with 3P shit though, so I'll leave Xfire alone (if one of you guys is super 3P-hunting master then be my guest). Gonna read austin now | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 20:01 GMT
#1512
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 20:12 GMT
#1514
Like, I'll wait before EVERYBODY posts first (including Xfire and sk8, MOST IMPORTANTLY those guys) It WILL have to shoot someone, and because of what I said earlier it has to be this D2, so why not do it sooner than later? It doesn't make a difference at all and we get more time to discuss stuff that happened with it. If any of you had an action on D1/N2 I would start talking and posting now because this may be your last chance, so I'm giving you some time (couple of hours most likely) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 20:30 GMT
#1519
Hey austin, remember these posts? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=33#652 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=56#1107 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=59#1180 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=61#1218 You FoS Zepphird, you FoS Xfire, you FoS Kurumi, then you defend your FoS of Xfire again. + Show Spoiler + Also those posts are FUCKING WEIRD AS HELL WTF AUSTIN? Are you on drugs? You go from one of them to the other without giving a shit, you 100% ignore them afterwards, ALL THREE OF THEM Also this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=74#1464 Shitty case (even if it's right that kita was hidding info about Tardis). Kita doesn't want vigs shooting unknowns therefore he's scum. Foolishness would be proud austin. You just hop from "weird illegible case" on one guy to the other, you just CANT BE TOWN dude, this feels like a sick joke On June 22 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote: Or maybe I DO have that power and you're immune to it. My read on Zephirdd is that he managed to win PTP3 for his team by being a jerky mafia face. I don't like that, but tbh I don't remember him doing anything super duper mafia-y. Gonna be trying to get info out of him early, because he was able to blend in late game once everyone was lazified and didn't care. After your "case" on Zepphird, I made sure to CTRL+F him in the rest of your posts. You never mention any opinion on him again, you just use him as an object for your cases on Kurumi/Xfire etc. Like hell am I supposed to believe the bolded bit when you dont' give a flying fuck about that yourself? You just lied there to gain eazy town cred in early game then? It sure looks like it. (Hint: Zepphird is "blending in" right now, and he was in all game long until MZ flipped and "confirmed" him, what were you doing then? What do you think of Zeph now? I dunno because since you made a CASE on him where you FOSED AND VOTED HIM you never talked about him again) Also: On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME. On June 25 2013 23:59 austinmcc wrote: Hey duders, stop lynching me. Gonzaw's onto something here:. On June 26 2013 00:13 austinmcc wrote: As for me, again, stop lynching me. Go lynch someone else. This is annoying as fuck austin. Also hey austin, how about you stop talking about setup shit and discuss whether kita's post/claim etc has any effect on your case on him or not, if you want to lynch him or not, etc? + Show Spoiler + Hell I think the most likely explanation is that you are on drugs and having lapses in your memory or some shit I just can't comprehend your play this game If this is true then please call a friend, a family member, and ask for help. You don't even have to post in TL, just say tell us you are busy and secretly PM deconduo about it so he replaces you No hard feelings bro, hope you get better I want to vote you, but I'll have to wait for kita to arrive with his PTP claim and his "2nd half", and I'm gonna read Kurumi now (and maybe geript). | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 20:31 GMT
#1520
##Vote: austin | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 20:36 GMT
#1522
On June 26 2013 05:20 Dandel Ion wrote: something to keep in mind: Acro wasn't super townie (at least not to me lel) and had a meh role, so he was probably shot for his reads, which were austin, snb and MZ. Just puttin that one out there. Well, Acro was onto "Xatalos" before backing down, so if Xata is scum it'd make sense to off him (Damn it Xatalos GIVE ME THE GAMES, at least tell me the names of your previous games so I can search them myself goddamit ) He was pretty townie. Scum most likely pussied out of killing me so Acro is most likely the 2nd choice. Unless sk8 is scum and said "let's keep gonzaw alive because he has the shittiest role in existence and won't be able to do anything to us mwahahaha!" | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 20:37 GMT
#1523
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 20:43 GMT
#1527
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 20:49 GMT
#1530
Scum acted on N1 almost guarantee-dly, I'd say all 3-4 of them (barring dead MZ here). Did most scum act on D1? (i.e Kurumi/sk8/austin?) If so, then adding those D1 guys to N1 maybe gives us a higher chance to kill scum If not, then I should use D2 as a shot. Why? Because there will be a lesser pool of players (assuming sk8/Kurumi/etc didn't act on N1 either) to choose from, and since scum that acted on N1 is constant, that means a higher chance to kill scum (higher chance to kill BC too though) But...I have no idea how the chances work. If a guy acts both on D1 and N1 is the chances of him dying doubled? Or not? Is D1 and N1 chosen first like with 50/50 chance, THEN a guy that made an action in the chosen cycle dies? Or are everybody that made an action in both D1/N1 put in a "bag" and chosen randomly from there? Depending on how that works how I may choose to use the gun, so I'm asking deconduo. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 20:50 GMT
#1532
On June 26 2013 05:46 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2013 05:36 gonzaw wrote: On June 26 2013 05:20 Dandel Ion wrote: something to keep in mind: Acro wasn't super townie (at least not to me lel) and had a meh role, so he was probably shot for his reads, which were austin, snb and MZ. Just puttin that one out there. Well, Acro was onto "Xatalos" before backing down, so if Xata is scum it'd make sense to off him (Damn it Xatalos GIVE ME THE GAMES, at least tell me the names of your previous games so I can search them myself goddamit ) He was pretty townie. Scum most likely pussied out of killing me so Acro is most likely the 2nd choice. Unless sk8 is scum and said "let's keep gonzaw alive because he has the shittiest role in existence and won't be able to do anything to us mwahahaha!" You could browse through Crossfire99's games but not mine? I'm still typing from my phone and it's not that easy to edit links and such. My first game was Game of Thrones Mafia, then I played a couple of Newbie Mini games... But you should see that from my profile. ??? Here's what happens when I go to your profile: "No public profile for this user." Also I'm looking at geript now and will look at Kurumi later. After that and looking at you I'll just assume my work here is done because fuck I forgot how exhausting/boring this is >_> | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:03 GMT
#1536
On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Knowing that he didn't know he was a vet makes him look slightly better. Didn't understand him not revealing that. On June 26 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote: Also hey austin, how about you stop talking about setup shit and discuss whether kita's post/claim etc has any effect on your case on him or not, if you want to lynch him or not, etc? ... I want to vote you, but I'll have to wait for kita to arrive with his PTP claim and his "2nd half", and I'm gonna read Kurumi now (and maybe geript). But his response to pressure today doesn't ring true to me. He had the big posts during the night with the pictures, GIMME THE TARDIS GIMME GIMME. And apparently he got it. But he didn't claim at that point, the point at which, according to him, he became a pure survivor (having satisfied the other bit of his win-con). He waits, because: Show nested quote + (1) kita is super worried about NKs, despite their being players who look far more townie / are doing more pro-town stuff with their activity. He's been around a long time, but so have other players this game, so it's not a case of him just getting popped for being veteran-yOn June 26 2013 02:47 kitaman27 wrote: Wasn't going to claim until N2 to inform the mafia team not to night hit me, but then I got a bit too trolly so I figured I'd be better off claiming now. (2) kita was going to wait and claim N2 because ... he didn't want to be NKed. He could have claimed immediately if that's his only concern. Again, according to him, once he got the TARDIS, all he does is try to survive. No reason to wait 48 hours before saying "Oh hey guys, I'm a survivor, mafia please don't kill me." (3) I still actually really dislike the not vigging snb comments. They don't jive AT ALL with what I understand to be conventional wisdom held by respected players. They read as an attempt to cover snb, which doesn't fit with kita being a lone survivor. This is important. Kita has said he's a survivor, 3P, all he has to do is survive. He's got NO REASON to not want snb shot in that position. Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players. He's not a survivor. He didn't claim the moment he could have, for a bad reason. He expressed interest in things that a survivor wouldn't care about. Hmm, I'll have to think about some of that stuff. The vig stuff seems just stupid complaining to me. If he was scum with snb then why would he be so easily "exposed" by going against a random comment from mine? (I never said I had the gun to shoot snb, and well it was obvious I didn't and don't). + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2013 05:50 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2013 05:38 geript wrote: meh I wanna do shit ##Mortal kombat Kita and shit bongo bongo. This creates a random vote thing from 3 ppl. Whoever has more votes gets killed and stuff. English good. What did you do? Gonzaw, I forget where the comment was exactly, I think BC wrote it, but kurumi very unlikely for ANY scum. I actually trust him more than you and maybe BC at this point to just be pure town. Kurumi can either make others inventors, or can make other people into roles, and can do so silently. If kurumi makes inventors, he could (1) make a scumbuddy an inventor, because HOLY HELL WHO DOES NOT WANT AN INVENTOR ON THEIR TEAM; (2) make a non-scumbuddy an inventor, because OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT NOW YOU'VE TOLD A TOWNIE TO MAKE THE MOST OP THING THEY CAN AND YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. It doesn't even fit from a "Suboptimal use of ability in order to generate fun" standpoint, because HOLY HELL WHAT IS MORE FUN THAN COMING UP WITH A SCUM INVENTION IN YOUR QT. If Kurumi makes people any role, then the same stuff applies. You wouldn't give a non-scumbuddy inventor, you could just give them something crappy. Unless BC is ALSO scum with kurumi (unlikely), then kurumi almost certainly not scum. You mean Kurumi would make his buddies as inventors, but then when his townie creator asks him "who did you make inventor" he says "huh....ehmm..." and outs himself as scum? I don't see Kurumi giving BC the inventor role as "SUPER OBVIOUS TOWN" because scum not wanting to be outed could have done so as well. Granted, it makes sense with his play I guess (he's against sk8 as well as BC, so I guess he thinks BC is town maybe he said this Idunno, so he gives inventor to his town read) But BC made a super shitty invention so hey, maybe scum Kurumi knew town BC would make an anti-town invention so he gave him the invention? Kurumi, here's a hint: Give me the inventor the next time Also, you are still acting weird austin. I kind of want to know what BC has to say about all this shit. Hey kita, character and role claim plz | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:05 GMT
#1537
On June 26 2013 05:52 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On June 26 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote: Yeah geript...I don't understand what that does It's supposed to create a side vote. Like 3 people at random are chosen to take part and they vote for one of us. Whoever gets more votes dies. Except that I'm like undying and shit. BTW Kita, I find it a bit funny that you will die to your own created power. So it's doublelynch with the 3 guys that have to vote? Hmm, this will be interesting. Hey, how about this: Those 3 guys use that "added lynch" on snb (basically a vig shot), and we continue with this lynch as usual? | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 21:11 GMT
#1540
Town-austin would be coming out with conspiracy theories about every possibility, and determine if he's lying or not, ask him questions, then post a huge post with a theory, etc. You just seem to instantly figure out kita is fake-claiming as scum and manage to come up with all that shit? Seems a little bit like confirmation bias, you said "okay, kita is scum let's see what I can write about him if I assume he's scum and fake-claiming". Like, I thought the Tardis thing was weird, but: 1)If he's scum, would he do some stuff like that? Get the Tardis but keep it and not claiming shit? Or did he plan on fake-claiming survivor as scum all along? If so, wouldn't that hurt his scumteam? Instead of trying to blend in he just fake-claims 3P and hopes town doesn't kill him? For that Tardis thing to make sense scum kita should have planned fake-claiming 3P since BEFORE N1 ENDED, not just make it a half-assed claim after getting lots of votes (if that was the case, wtf was the Tardis thing about?) 3)If he's scum, then the Tardis thing would be something related to the PTP role he got right? So wouldn't his role creator just claim "hey, Tardis is super powerful and kita didn't claim he had it and bla bla bla"? 4)What about the breadcrumb? I don't remember scum fake-claiming 3P survivor and BREADCRUMBING it on their first post (like, did even iGrok do that shit with the original Balrog claim? After his claim I started thinking about all this shit to see if his claim is legit or not...why didn't you austin? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:14 GMT
#1542
You do know you have a chance you die today, right? (maybe a high chance considering lynching confirmed "not town" is the easiest way for any townie to go through the game, and thus confirmed "not town"s are always lynched, ALWAYS (if someone claimed "anti-town" and wasn't lynch at some TL game in the past please refresh my memory)). Or what? You think town will "wisen up" and instantly listen to you or something? Give us all the info and shit, don't hide it, it will only make it look like you are scum fake-claiming and you don't want to give town any more info | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:17 GMT
#1543
On June 26 2013 06:05 geript wrote: ## Challenge Kitaman27 to Mortal Combat. Wait a minute, wtf is this? Didn't you say 3 guys would be chosen at random, and those 3 could vote whoever they wanted to lynch? What does "challenging" kita have to do with it? I may have preferred a snb one, but meh if kita dies off-stage and we can go with the lynch as normal I won't really care. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:22 GMT
#1550
He does have breadcrumbs, and well even with all the anti-town shit his play makes more sense as survivor than austin's play as town (or than austin's play as....any alignment basically lol) But like I said, I wouldn't mind him dying in that side-brawl shit, if we can lynch austin or do something else with the real lynch | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:25 GMT
#1553
On June 26 2013 06:20 Kurumi wrote: gonzaw are you silly I already gave you inventor ... ooooOHHHHH So I get it as D2 ends? Sweet (just figured that out lol) Anyways, got confirmation the gun works by throwing everybody in a bag (without doubling chances and shit) and choosing randomly. Hmm, considering I want to kill austin and our mystery shooter, I think I may choose D1 BC is in both D1 and D2 actions so he doesn't matter (he even has LESS chance to die). I guess sk8 is also there but I don't care at all if he dies, hell might even flip scum or something (considering he's been totally AFK this D2 so far anything's possible) Not sure about Kurumi but well, he already gave me the inventor role so I don't need him anymore So yeah, I think I'll shoot soon. I want some other shit happening so I wont' wait too long (before I go to bed today at the very most) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:27 GMT
#1554
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:29 GMT
#1560
....DAMN THESE CHOICES, WHY YOU MAKE ME DO THESE HARD DECISIONS BC!!!!!?? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#1563
...maybe you'll focus on those 3 guys you FoSed previously and completely forgot about them? Or will you bring a new guy to the table (still completely ignoring those 3 guys)? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#1566
austinbrah All austins of all alignments would generally be coming up with conspiracy theories about every possibility. I usually can't help it, and as scum the conspiracy theories let me muck up the thread while looking like I'm doing something AND looking like town me. You are not playing like your usual self that's for sure. But making those conspiracy theories is easier to you as town because they come naturally, and harder as anti-town because you have to fake them Just look at me, I can effortlessly make huge walls of text as town but sometimes spend hours on a single one as scum just to figure out what to say and shit. It becomes so exhausting at points I just say "fuck it" and post no walls of text for a while as scum and post very little. Why can't something similar happen to you as scum? You just don't give a shit, are tired, have IRL stuff so you don't give a fuck about trying to "fake" your town-austin-self. I have a hard time thinking of you NOT doing stuff like that if you were town though, since it should come naturally to you to be active discussing anything that crosses to your mind, posting theories, pressuring people, etc. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:37 GMT
#1568
On June 26 2013 06:37 Dandel Ion wrote: btw zephir, I suggest giving a fuck today. I'd say the same to sk8 but I think it'll anger him and make him give me a shittier role in the future | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:40 GMT
#1571
Well, if he can't do it maybe I can! ##Give Dandel a Fuck | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 21:42 GMT
#1574
austin seems like the "obvious" choice again, but I'd be willing to hear other candidates if people have them | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 21:45 GMT
#1575
If kita is scum with him...then lol obviously that's not the deal So yeah, thank god I don't have to read his past games now. So, Kurumi and Xatalos left. I think I might go with Xatalos first. Here is Kurumi's filter from Themed Game Mafia (I'm putting it here as some sort of bookmark lol, dont' really want to bookmark it myself I already have lots of shit) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553&user=Kurumi | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:46 GMT
#1577
1)austin 2)Snb 3)Sk8 4)Xfire 5)Xatalos 6)Kurumi Take your pick guys. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 25 2013 21:49 GMT
#1578
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 21:53 GMT
#1580
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gonzaw
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June 25 2013 22:13 GMT
#1584
On June 26 2013 06:56 Crossfire99 wrote: So when is kita supposed to die? Kita dies as soon as you post a read of all players in the game go gogogogo Yeah I can't really wait, I'll shoot the gun shoot and guys that did action in D1/N1 will die. Mostly because I want a scum dead before the lynch so we can lynch another scummer (also I want to feel like I shot a scum, but also if it kills a townie I can't abstain from any responsibility because it was random. Win-win) | ||
gonzaw
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June 25 2013 23:24 GMT
#1590
WOS, Xfire, sk8, etc (I guess austin is included here as well) It's already 24 hours into D2 and some of you either have 0 scumreads so far, or haven't even posted yet wtf? How do you guys expect to win a game like this? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 00:02 GMT
#1592
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 00:15 GMT
#1594
...although I guess I can just be negative and assume austin won't die. Yeah, I won't do it now, but I'll shoot before I go to sleep (in 4 hours or so) | ||
gonzaw
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June 26 2013 00:43 GMT
#1596
Does he flip now or after deadline? kita, you are still missing that 2nd half of reads, and the description of your role (or rather what you used it for...no I didn't make your role...thankfully lol ) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 01:40 GMT
#1598
Well...so what now? We are back at the same place as before, and I kind of want to keep voting austin until convinced otherwise | ||
gonzaw
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June 26 2013 02:34 GMT
#1600
On June 26 2013 11:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: ##Vote AustinMC NOOOOOOOO You just DONT DO THAT YOU JUST DONT CHRIST GOD On June 24 2013 06:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 06:28 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote: On June 24 2013 06:23 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 06:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Also, I know I said I could prove that he is town, it's NOT because he masoned me. Why could you only confirm him and not anyone else? That baffles me. It seems that you knew he was town all along. Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)? Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain? He defends himself based on the role he has. I ain't believin' a guy who's hiding behind a mask. I was the only one that didn't want to lynch Solstice. He flipped town, and now you still want to continue tunnelling me. Since he's dead I have no reason to reveal any information to you. Why are you trying to figure out my role so much? I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch. >Scum directed the austin last-minute lynch >Votes austin without any reason Seems legit On June 24 2013 06:54 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 06:43 Xatalos wrote: On June 24 2013 06:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: On June 24 2013 06:28 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote: On June 24 2013 06:23 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 06:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Also, I know I said I could prove that he is town, it's NOT because he masoned me. Why could you only confirm him and not anyone else? That baffles me. It seems that you knew he was town all along. Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)? Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain? He defends himself based on the role he has. I ain't believin' a guy who's hiding behind a mask. I was the only one that didn't want to lynch Solstice. He flipped town, and now you still want to continue tunnelling me. Since he's dead I have no reason to reveal any information to you. Why are you trying to figure out my role so much? I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch. Lol, that's a pretty lackluster reason I must say...... Why would scum want austinmcc dead when he was A) scum or at least B) otherwise harmful to town and a good lynch candidate for D2? It just makes no sense for scum to rush in and vote for austinmcc. And it didn't even go that well, which proves that scum didn't want it. So austinmcc is either scum or scum otherwise want him alive. Possibly. Except you could use the same argument against Solstice, and Solstice was the original lynch target and flipped a blue. If you follow the votes, players who were on both the Solstice lynch and Austin lynch were Solstice lynch train - Xatalos, WoS, Zephirdd, kitaman, gonzaw, Crossfire99, geript, Dandel Ion Austin lynch train - Zephirdd, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, kitaman, Crossfire99, gonzaw, Kurumi Zephird, Xatalos, Dandel Ion, Kitaman, Xfire were on both the Solstice and the Austin lynch. I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch. Zephird, Xatalos, Dandel Ion, Kitaman, Xfire were on both the Solstice and the Austin lynch. >Thinks scum directed the sol lynch and austin counter-lynch >Posts names of 5 players who did so, who he suspects some are said scum >Votes austin and never mentions those 5 players again Oh my god BC was right in trying to shoot you on D1 goddamit For fucks sake, I have to think about this ##Unvote: austin | ||
gonzaw
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June 26 2013 02:36 GMT
#1601
..please dont... ...please don't be town.... | ||
gonzaw
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June 26 2013 02:39 GMT
#1602
On June 25 2013 04:16 gonzaw wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 03:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Also their is a fundamental flaw in the way you guys are scum hunting. If you go and tunnel everything someones posting, tell them that's why you think they are being scummy. Then they will defend it and try to fix it. Which will just make it harder to pinpoint them as scum later. I get my reads, hold them until I am sure and then post it. That way there is no wiggling out for the scum. It also makes me more of a threat to Mafia since they do not know if my reads are going to condemn them or not. Okay, then have fun getting (mis)lynched. You know what, everybody should just do what you are doing, let's all pick a single guy to argue about circular shit and never disclose any scum reads at all until it's D6 or something. I'm sure we'll have this game in the bag! Here are the top 3 priorities as town: 1)Establish innocence 2)Hunt scum 3)Not fuck up the thread You are failing on all 3 so far (wouldn't really fail on 1 if you didn't fail so much on 2 and 3), so please revise that strategy of yours, and that "fundamental flaw" you are talking about. READ THIS SHIT SK8 Did I get your attention? Good, because I'll assume you have read this and are aware of it by now, so if you keep doing what you are doing I'll be forced to think you are doing it with a scum agenda behind it There can't be any other way, I'm a man of my word ##Vote: xxSK8rGUy277xx | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 02:46 GMT
#1603
Just like.....I can't comprehend that. You think scum ganged on austin to get a last minute lynch.. ....you then proceed to do fuck all and NINJA VOTE THE GUY SCUM SUPPOSEDLY GANGED UP ON No no. Okay, here's the deal. Mah nigga: You can gain 1 KP as soon as this day phase ends. Considering the previous claims you should be able to get it (should be obvious how you'll get it). If you are able to get it, then shoot the remaining player from austin/sk8 after this lynch I think you could already have 1 KP already, depending on what you did. I wanted to let you do your thing alone, and not bother you by giving you the answers to the stuff, because that was the point of the role....but this is just too much and we have a lot of people that need to die. By using that 1 KP you fuck up the ending though, which I planned being a surprise and shit, but fuck that shit you can read it once game is over (also I doubt you would have kept the KP to get the ending so whatever). Also it's not like I confide in you getting that ending, I don't even know who you are lol inb4 hosts nerfed the role | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 02:50 GMT
#1605
Yeah, if that happens mah nigga can keep the KP. Or you can shoot snb, but let's let other people do that so it doesn't ruin your fun! So yeah, I'm going to sleep soon (1 hour) so I'm shooting that shit. If BC, Xatalos, anybody that had an action on D1/N1 think they'll be unlucky, please post reads and shit if you have time. You should have done that already though | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 02:52 GMT
#1607
Yeah, your post actually collapsed my mind enough to make me post memes like that. That's how much an impact it had on me. No worries, hopefully the Slot Gun kills you and we can go on and lynch austin and live happily ever after. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 02:56 GMT
#1610
On June 22 2013 07:36 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: I'm coming in STRONG guys. Time to make a huge impression on my first game. ##Vote BloodyC0bbler We aren't allowed to hint at our role right? I don't have any meta advantages like the rest of you guys, so I'll just be going by my gut. I doubt you'd be playing like this if you are town and really believed this. You lied there, you are not making a "huge impression" (at least positively), but most importantly you don't give a fuck about it. Right now you don't give a fuck about making a positive impression on anyone, you don't give a fuck about the game other than some slight setup talk and arguing with BC. Is that "time to make a huge impression on your first game"? Doesn't seem like it Do you know what it seems like? It seems like you using noob-card, and faking that "townie entrance enthusiasm" to gain eazy town cred (kind of what austin did with that "I'll be sure to check Zepphird this game so he doesn't coast until endgame as scum!") | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 02:59 GMT
#1611
On June 26 2013 11:56 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Then I can do the same thing with another player and basically confirm my town role. Gg unstoppable logic You Crossfire kita State slowly and clearly how Sk8 can be confirmed town right now. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:02 GMT
#1612
Also if it has something to do with the Tardis you better hope kita is "nice" enough to hand it back and is not scum or is not bitter 3P and keeps hold of it | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:16 GMT
#1615
On June 26 2013 12:09 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: The Tardis has a limitation against Mafia using it twice to prevent them from just constantly passing it to eachother, If Mafia attempt this it sends it to a randomized player. Thus if I use it, pass it to Kita, and Kita uses it and passes it back to me and I receive it. Then you knokw that - 1. Either Kita or I am not Mafia 2. If this is continued with another player i.e. I pass it to you since you can't do shit anyways. You pass it back. Then we know that between me and you one of us is not Mafia. Lynch me if you want. If it can confirm Austin as scum then I'm all for it. 1)Is the limitation about any SINGLE mafia using it twice, or about the Tardis passing hands between 2 mafia members? So if there is 1 Mafia and 1 Townie, they can't pass the Tardis to each other? 2)How do you know this? Because you got the Tardis at the beginning of the game? Who can confirm this other than kita? I assume you got 100% confirmation from the hosts right? And there is no thread of doubt in your head that can work? 3)Okay, imagine (1) is true, how does that prove you are not 3P? Or another anti-town faction (maybe a hidden scum like Sleeper Cell whatever) 4)I was going to ask a question about why you are still not scumhunting yet, but I know better now | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:17 GMT
#1616
So if there is 1 Mafia and 1 Townie, they can't pass the Tardis to each other back and forth? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:24 GMT
#1618
I really really want to kill you. I specially don't want you near LYLO AT ALL (unless you are 100% confirmed town, confirmed not scum, confirmed not 3P) Yet still there's that chance (maybe likeliness) you are town, just like what happened in so many games in the past with...."acts" like these. *sigh* I guess vig shots do come handy for these situations. Maybe we could lynch austin and vig shoot sk8 instead. This Tardis "plan" seems either: 1)Poorly understood and doesn't actually work 2)Gonna fail because kita/sk8/someone else will not follow the plan I think (1) is the most likely one, I doubt the hosts would say "oh, NO SCUM EVER can hold the Tardis twice in a row, PERFECT BALANCE!" if the problem was JUST scum passing it to each other back and forth In fact I wonder why it just doesn't force everybody (both scum and town) to pass it to a different player every single time. Meh, maybe it works like that and you are lying I dunno. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:26 GMT
#1619
On June 26 2013 12:21 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: 4. good No, it's not good, not at all, and you should know better. I sincerely hope you are not town, because you are gonna get shitted upon in Post game if you are | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:27 GMT
#1620
We may have only 2 or so hours to do stuff after it...but well whatyougonnadoboutit? If I use it now and BC drops dead or something then it'd be making the situation worse | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:31 GMT
#1621
If he can pass it once D2 ends then good news maybe..maybe we could lynch austin, have kita pass it to you, and be "confirmed not scum" or whatever... ...oh wait...if kita is 3P then you CANT CONFIRM YOURSELF AT ALL. + Show Spoiler + Kita is 3P survivor, therefore not scum by definition, therefore he can pass the Tardis back and forth with a scum as much time as he wants, so if you are scum you can pass it to him back and forth with no worries in the world So there goes that plan sk8, do you have any other ideas to avoid your death? I don't really see any. Xfire, please tell us if sk8 can survive a vig shot at night, thanks. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:37 GMT
#1622
If he does, then I think it'd be better for kita to give it to someone else. Then that someone else gives it to someone else, THEN that someone else gives it back to that person. If the Tardis can swap hands in phases and not cycles, by N3 those 2 can be confirmed scum or at least one is town. That can REALLY work only if we do it with 2 guys that are scum, so they are indeed confirmed scum once they can't pass it to each other. Sadly that means we can't lynch those until N3 (when we could lynch on today and one D3) If we do it with 2 other guys, then if it works it confirms that both can't be scum together, but one of them can still be scum, so it's not much help either (for instance, if Xatalos and Dandel keep passing it to each other, how do we know if 1 of them is scum or both are town?) So, I think the best is....do whatever the hell you want with it. Nobody has said the "additional" powers the Tardis has yet, maybe that should be the decisive aspect to choose who to give it to. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:39 GMT
#1625
##Unvote: xxSK8rGUy277xx I want to hear from Xfire/kita first to see if you can get vigged (thus we could lynch austin today) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 03:55 GMT
#1628
I guess ma nigga may have gotten completely different stuff then (so yeah if that's so I guess he won't have KP tonight) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 05:11 GMT
#1631
Yeah I just don't even try understanding that shit, it's as muddy as shit water (the whole Tardis/actions whatever stuff). Why can't you guys just be clear about it? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 17:51 GMT
#1665
I'll use the shot now, then go to eat and do stuff, so it happens before, okay? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 17:53 GMT
#1667
Okay, I'll go eat, properly read the thread before shooting then (want to see who flipped/got shot/etc) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 17:58 GMT
#1671
##Use: Gun of Slots Let's see flip, then I'll go reread | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:15 GMT
#1677
On June 27 2013 02:41 Zephirdd wrote: gonzaw can you explain your role better? Why would one of the voters be killed? I kinda skipped all the role talk earlier(not interesting since I wasnt in the middle), but was a bus driver included anywhere? Any chances of a bus driver affecting geript<->Dandel? If I get lynched, someone that voted me (chosen at random) dies At night I can use the "Troll Toll" on a player. Because of that that same player will gain that ability (if he's lynched, a random voter of his dies as he's lynched) Bus Drives I assume only work at night, so unless it's a bus driver ability that specifically says it works in the day phase as well, something else happened. Better let geript and kita tell us what happened, surely both are pro-town and can clear this situation up, right? On June 26 2013 12:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: dont be all upset cause the role I wrote for u got nerfed. I could post the original I wrote for you. It was jester veteran lookout but the lookout gives u numbers with alignment instead of names, cuz that would just be OP. and then u can use your second ability to remove the jester ability from people based on the number u received. i.e. When activatd 1 visted u, they are MAFIA 2 visted u, they are town so basically u could confirm players that visitedd u BUT u dont know who visited u and then become jesters. I guess it got nerfed though since apparently u say it blos. I thot it was pretty balanced Did you include the "Troll Toll" as well? And call the role "Mischevous Troll"? If so...why would that ability (count people that visit you) make you name the role "Troll"? ....are you lying to me and the role was never nerfed in the first place? | ||
gonzaw
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June 26 2013 18:16 GMT
#1678
Thank you BC for that amazing gift -_- | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:28 GMT
#1683
If we keep up like this with players like Xfire, snb, sk8, austin never posting even a single scum read and shit then we won't get far in life. Can someone confirm you made kita's role? That "Fallen Angel" thing? Anything interesting we should know about it? Kita, you are still missing your "reads Mk II". I get the feeling sk8 was lying about my role, the change of mechanics of "counts people that visited you at night" to "FUCKING KILLS SOMEONE THAT VOTED YOU" is not a "nerf", it's "completely changing the role". Also mah nigga never tried hinting to me shit maybe and stuff so maybe he's scum as well (although I get the feeling Xfire has my role) Anyways, voting austin until he starts like doing some other shit and act like he cares. Sk8 for vig shot tonight plz I don't want to think anymore about him, I get more confused as I try, it's like a paradox or something. ##Vote: austin | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:29 GMT
#1684
You have been asked to participate in a straw poll today. Please select one of the following candidates before the end of the day phase: Gonzaw BloodyC0bbler Kurumi austinmcc Thank you for your participation! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:34 GMT
#1687
I won't reveal the "juicy bits", but effectively, ma niggah last night could do one of the following: 1)Protect himself of 1 KP 2)Busdrive 2 dudes 3)RB a dude I presume he used (1) since nobody claimed RBed or funny stuff Also, right now he has one of 2 new abilities, which if he's scum then we are in bad hands as well :/ I'll wait until he claims what ability he got (he can only know one of them, can't know both) so he doesn't lie or something. At least this is if the role didn't get nerfed so I have no idea. deconduo, if you nerfed a role, did you tell the role creator about the nerf? You know, considering it'd be kind of "unfair", benefiting the people who created roles that WERENT nerfed (thus know 100% what the role does) to people who created roles that did (thus can't know what the role does)? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:36 GMT
#1688
On June 27 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote: Got this You have been asked to participate in a straw poll today. Please select one of the following candidates before the end of the day phase: Gonzaw BloodyC0bbler Kurumi austinmcc Thank you for your participation! You just got it? That's Austin's power, right? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:39 GMT
#1691
Will you actually die at some point? Like, you already "died", so are you like supersoft in that other game where he was alive for 1 cycle after death or something?? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:44 GMT
#1694
On June 25 2013 23:59 austinmcc wrote:Here's a thing that seems overlooked: Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 07:16 deconduo wrote: [center]Day 1 As day dawned over the asteroid know as Demon's Run, Colonel Manton fidgeted nervously. "Relax, everything is going to go as planned" assured Madame Kovarian. "The Doctor will play right into our hands. He doesn't know anything about patience or planning, he's going to rush in and fall completely into the trap we've laid." She was interrupted by explosions going off and alarms sounding around the base. "Get to your positions!" ordered the Colonel, as the Headless Monks drew their swords. D1 post - Colonel Manton, Madame Kovarian, Headless Monks all in red. Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 07:00 deconduo wrote: Rose Tyler had been acting increasingly suspicious, and eventually someone acted on it. A sword ripped through her stomach and she dissolved into a heap of fleshy goo. Colonel Manton laughed far away in his control room, "Looks like they figured out about our Doppelgängers." A voice responded from the shadows, "Looks like you forgot to watch your back" Meapak_Ziphh as Rose Tyler as Colonel Manton has been eviscerated. + Show Spoiler + You are Colonel Manton In order to trick the doctor you and your allies have kidnapped and disguised as some of his allies. In addition you have taken their powers. [Redacted] Your allies are: [Redacted] You have a [Redacted] You win with The Church Your disguise is as follows: --------- You are Rose Tyler! You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking. During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing. At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business. In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself. Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power. You win with The Alliance Meapak's flip as Colonel Manton. Doesn't PROVE, but makes LIKELY, that there is a 3-man red scum team. This isn't a case where the daypost flipped co-hosts or something, it mentioned 3 red brosephs and 1 red scum has flipped as one of said broseph. So the conclusion I draw is that either there is a second faction out there or we've got a couple 3Ps floating around. Finding them not a priority at this point, but I don't currently consider shots and votes as making someone TOWN. I think, at best, we're finding people who weren't scum with Meapak. "Get to your positions!" ordered the Colonel, as the Headless Monks drew their swords On June 25 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I knew it when I saw you fishing early, hence why I asked the thread if its more likely to be from a town or scum perspective. My role is dorium maldovar, some headless monk thing. I die but ILL NEVER STOP TALKING Geript care to confirm? ...wut Also austin tell me what you are doing with that "poll" stuff, I already forgot what you were going on about it | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:46 GMT
#1695
On June 27 2013 03:43 deconduo wrote: Some roles may have been altered slightly for whatever reasons, but nothing big or significant was changed. Pretty much everyone was given word for word the role PM we received. Okay, then this is just getting to my nerves: ##Unvote: austin ##Vote: sk8 This is not funny anymore, this guy is trolling us. Can we post PTP role PM? Not the part including the "You win with the Alliance/Church", but the part of the role that was given to us? (considering it's not alignment indicative)? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:47 GMT
#1696
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:50 GMT
#1698
Since we are talking about xxsk8terguy, we can move on with other people whose username starts with "x" | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:52 GMT
#1699
Yeah nevermind. YOu are dead soon anyways apparently? Yeah, everybody is soon dead, what a nice cozy game | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:56 GMT
#1704
I'm getting lost with the role connections and stuff >_> Anyways I don't like that Xfire/snb have my role. If snb has my role then he hasn't used it at all which is a shame (and he's possibly scum) If Xfire has my role it's possible he's scum as well. FML | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 18:58 GMT
#1705
On June 27 2013 03:53 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Quick version, trying to finish some work.On June 27 2013 03:44 gonzaw wrote: Also austin tell me what you are doing with that "poll" stuff, I already forgot what you were going on about it (1) During Day phase, I send 4 PMs to people of my choosing
(3) During the first half of night, I take 1 of the chosen roles and give it to 1 of the chosen people. That person is PMed, in the case of SOME roles (medic/vigi/rb apparently) that they now have a one-shot role for that night. Okay, so I'll go vote myself now then. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:01 GMT
#1708
If you don't die (somehow), then this is how it goes: I choose myself The other PM guy chooses BC You choose medic, and WIFOM between the 2 of us. The one that gets that role, medics the other. So if you choose me+medic, I'll protect BC If you choose BC+medic, BC will protect me If you are scum it won't really matter because you'll either die to today's lynch or just kill the guy you didn't choose, but maybe you are town (somehow) or even if you are scum maybe you WIFOM and not kill the unprotected dude. Or you could choose Vet as well, works either way (scum have 1 KP (hopefully), and 1 random out of me+BC will be protected 100%, they have to either gamble or play it safe and let us both live) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:04 GMT
#1711
So yeah I dunno do whatever you want. Yo austin, do you want to get lynched today? If you ask "pretty please" I can move my vote back to you. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:06 GMT
#1712
You know....like you should have done by now? Yes yes, I know, I'm crazy, but just bear with me here! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:11 GMT
#1716
Will quickly read Xatalos' previous games and see if somehow he becomes a greater lynch candidate than austin/sk8 (I kind of doubt that though) Things about Xatalos that rub me the wrong way: 1)He seems happy or "comfortable" all the time, even when shit that should be making him rage or worried as hell happens (i.e sk8, townies dying left and right, etc) 2)Stuff like this: On June 26 2013 03:12 Xatalos wrote: Well, that was a weird turn of events... At least this proves that Kitaman27 is certainly not town (no reason to claim survivor..), but he could still be scum trying to, well, survive this way. I'd say it's much better to lynch austinmcc though. He hasn't done anything to make me think he's town yet and Meapak's actions suggest he's scum as well. Kitaman27 at least can (or has to, more like it) prove he's supporting town with his role, and that should become clear on itself. So, let's just lynch austinmcc and leave Kitaman27's judgement on hold. (Aimed at BC, Zephirdd etc.) On June 26 2013 17:10 Xatalos wrote: Anyway, I don't see why we should lynch someone other than austinmcc (or maybe Kitaman27) today. sk8r hasn't exactly made himself look good lately (away for like 24 hours and then a random sheep vote LOL), but that's not enough to lynch him over an almost certain scum or a certain not-town. With that being said, the situation might be very different tomorrow. sk8r, you'd better start scumhunting ASAP instead of trying to semi-confirm yourself with your role. If this lack of playing townishly keeps up, I'm starting to think that you're either scum or 3rd party. Or an anti-town town, which almost makes me want to lynch you as well. He seems to be posting summaries, again in that "objective 3rd person" kind of way. It seems so "nice" and "tidy", where it seems kind of fake Also that reaction to Sk8 is not really what I thought a town Xatalos would say, seems like a "blending in being wishy washy as fuck" scum post. Meh | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:13 GMT
#1717
On June 27 2013 04:11 austinmcc wrote: Addition: If you wait like...15-20 minutes, I'll be done editing this thing for work. Right now if you ask me anything specific, it may take me a moment and look shady. If you want to grill me about crap, you're more than welcome to in a moment and I can give quicker answers. If not, I'm gonna go back and look at D1 voting/timing of the solstice shot more. We haven't done enough of that besides people noting that I didn't get lynched and so everyone who didn't lynch is mafia because I've got to be mafia. On June 26 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote: Okay, I read austin's previous games (scum+town) and they have nothing in common with this one so I'll just ignore them Hey austin, remember these posts? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=33#652 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=56#1107 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=59#1180 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=61#1218 You FoS Zepphird, you FoS Xfire, you FoS Kurumi, then you defend your FoS of Xfire again. + Show Spoiler + Also those posts are FUCKING WEIRD AS HELL WTF AUSTIN? Are you on drugs? You go from one of them to the other without giving a shit, you 100% ignore them afterwards, ALL THREE OF THEM Also this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=74#1464 Shitty case (even if it's right that kita was hidding info about Tardis). Kita doesn't want vigs shooting unknowns therefore he's scum. Foolishness would be proud austin. You just hop from "weird illegible case" on one guy to the other, you just CANT BE TOWN dude, this feels like a sick joke Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote: Or maybe I DO have that power and you're immune to it. My read on Zephirdd is that he managed to win PTP3 for his team by being a jerky mafia face. I don't like that, but tbh I don't remember him doing anything super duper mafia-y. Gonna be trying to get info out of him early, because he was able to blend in late game once everyone was lazified and didn't care. After your "case" on Zepphird, I made sure to CTRL+F him in the rest of your posts. You never mention any opinion on him again, you just use him as an object for your cases on Kurumi/Xfire etc. Like hell am I supposed to believe the bolded bit when you dont' give a flying fuck about that yourself? You just lied there to gain eazy town cred in early game then? It sure looks like it. (Hint: Zepphird is "blending in" right now, and he was in all game long until MZ flipped and "confirmed" him, what were you doing then? What do you think of Zeph now? I dunno because since you made a CASE on him where you FOSED AND VOTED HIM you never talked about him again) Also: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME. Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 23:59 austinmcc wrote: Hey duders, stop lynching me. Gonzaw's onto something here:. Show nested quote + On June 26 2013 00:13 austinmcc wrote: As for me, again, stop lynching me. Go lynch someone else. This is annoying as fuck austin. Also hey austin, how about you stop talking about setup shit and discuss whether kita's post/claim etc has any effect on your case on him or not, if you want to lynch him or not, etc? + Show Spoiler + Hell I think the most likely explanation is that you are on drugs and having lapses in your memory or some shit I just can't comprehend your play this game If this is true then please call a friend, a family member, and ask for help. You don't even have to post in TL, just say tell us you are busy and secretly PM deconduo about it so he replaces you No hard feelings bro, hope you get better I want to vote you, but I'll have to wait for kita to arrive with his PTP claim and his "2nd half", and I'm gonna read Kurumi now (and maybe geript). | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:15 GMT
#1718
That makes me worried. if I had to lolzy make a guess without any repercussions (i.e if I was in obs qt) I'd say he was scum, but well I'm not in obs qt so I have to think about this shit and read past games and stuff. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:18 GMT
#1719
On June 27 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh... why are people not here to consolidate? We are running out of time ladies and gents and two no-lynches may as well be gg for us. Well...you can start yourself no? You haven't done much either so you can't really complain at other people. I still dont' know your stance on anybody left in the game, other that your "role receiver" may be scum for reasons I don't know of Also I'm leaving soon, so if your "role" stuff has something groundbreaking that can change today's lynch and you need my vote spout it before I leave. Xfire please claim what role you have, or at the very least who made your role Considering snb will never show up that's the only thing left then, right? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:29 GMT
#1724
Anyways, conspiracy theory coming. Also I'm most likely not getting my vote off sk8. He blatantly lied about my role getting nerfed (fucking host confirmed so) He's obviously trolling everybody, giving wrong info about shit ever since D1 with the "BC faked a shot" stuff. Maybe he hopes we view him as a new BM and just say "oh that's just him!" while he goes around doing shit and soughing chaos and confusion. Remember that post from him about trying to "make his 1st TL game impressive" ? Yeah go read that again and read his filter, please. Austin may be town I guess how the fuck should I know? I may incline over him being our D1-mystery shooter and being 3P SK or similar. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:45 GMT
#1744
On June 27 2013 04:36 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry for disappearing, I've been really busy. I'm here now until lynch. Gonzaw you're right that I have your role, but I didn't use any abilities last night because I didn't want to waste anything when I wasn't sure about people. I didn't get any new abilities, maybe because I didn't use anything last night T_T. I'm not liking sk8r too much anymore. He already answered what questions I wanted to ask, but didn't get a chance to. Basically, I still don't understand why he gave the TARDIS to the people he supposedly gave it to. Why solstice and why kita? No, you should have gotten a new ability today after answering a host PM. Please tell us what you got (tell me the name of the item you got). If not, then PM deconduo back with your answer. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:50 GMT
#1752
Conspiracy Theory Time! Sk8 Xatalos Xfire austin being town (or 3p) in this case. Sk8 does shit all until deadline and sheeps on the popular vote on a townie (Zepphird or snb). Xatalos goes against solstice Xfire joins the fight against soltice with a ninja-sheep-vote. solstice dies to a shot from another 3P maybe (maybe kita lol) Alternatively, they shoot solstice because their role allows them to somehow, and then they laugh as votes pile onto austin. SK8 and MZ don't vote austin for...some reason? Maybe they were indeed inactive (if the shot was 3P it would make sense, solstice/Zeph is getting misslynched so why the hell bother being at the deadline?) After that austin mislynch ALMOST goes through, but is 1 vote short (saved by superheroe of the day geript maybe? If austin is town then he surely is lol). After that, Xatalos goes on full austin-scum tunnel-mode, doesn't really talk much about other people, specially not sk8 and Xfire from what I remember Xfire does shit all as expected. Sk8 does shit all as expected (but why would they do otherwise? Other than BC nobody really even pressured them enough to do so). Remember this?: On June 24 2013 06:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 06:28 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote: On June 24 2013 06:23 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 06:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Also, I know I said I could prove that he is town, it's NOT because he masoned me. Why could you only confirm him and not anyone else? That baffles me. It seems that you knew he was town all along. Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)? Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain? He defends himself based on the role he has. I ain't believin' a guy who's hiding behind a mask. I was the only one that didn't want to lynch Solstice. He flipped town, and now you still want to continue tunnelling me. Since he's dead I have no reason to reveal any information to you. Why are you trying to figure out my role so much? I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch. On June 24 2013 06:54 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 06:43 Xatalos wrote: On June 24 2013 06:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: On June 24 2013 06:28 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote: On June 24 2013 06:23 Kurumi wrote: On June 24 2013 06:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: Also, I know I said I could prove that he is town, it's NOT because he masoned me. Why could you only confirm him and not anyone else? That baffles me. It seems that you knew he was town all along. Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)? Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain? He defends himself based on the role he has. I ain't believin' a guy who's hiding behind a mask. I was the only one that didn't want to lynch Solstice. He flipped town, and now you still want to continue tunnelling me. Since he's dead I have no reason to reveal any information to you. Why are you trying to figure out my role so much? I didn't vote Solstice and I didn't vote Austin for the same reason, I think scum were directing the lynch. Lol, that's a pretty lackluster reason I must say...... Why would scum want austinmcc dead when he was A) scum or at least B) otherwise harmful to town and a good lynch candidate for D2? It just makes no sense for scum to rush in and vote for austinmcc. And it didn't even go that well, which proves that scum didn't want it. So austinmcc is either scum or scum otherwise want him alive. Possibly. Except you could use the same argument against Solstice, and Solstice was the original lynch target and flipped a blue. If you follow the votes, players who were on both the Solstice lynch and Austin lynch were Solstice lynch train - Xatalos, WoS, Zephirdd, kitaman, gonzaw, Crossfire99, geript, Dandel Ion Austin lynch train - Zephirdd, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, kitaman, Crossfire99, gonzaw, Kurumi Zephird, Xatalos, Dandel Ion, Kitaman, Xfire were on both the Solstice and the Austin lynch. Now, why would scum Sk8 not push this idea further and completely forget about it? Oh...wait, 2 out of 5 are part of his scumteam? I guess it DOES make sense for him to not push it further then. Then what happens? + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 23:43 Acrofales wrote: Why'd everybody go quiet? Anyway, lets kill Xatalos. Will make a case, but it basically boils down to him not taking a stance on ANYTHING and circumventing every issue with lots of waffle. I had my suspicions of his thread entry, then he lulled me into a false sense of security with his later day posting, and now it just came roaring back with this string of gems: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote: On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: BC, are you around? If so, you want a present or want your choice to get? Time is limited before presents go in the mail, but will ship it along if I don't hear from you. NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME. If you think you can usually read me and you haven't been able to do so this game, that might be because I'm not normally this absent. As EITHER alignment. Go read my stupid scum games, I'm always trying to plot and direct things and getting shot down when I try to get the scum team to engage in stupid plans, except for CT mafia maybe cuz I replaced in there. To those who actually think I'm scummy, you guys should knock it off as well. I don't bring presents to people who think I'm scummy except maybe I do. Ugh. Also, not scum. Gonna sort through the rest of this tomorrow at work. I agree that I've never seen you this absent before. That's not all though. I associate a heavy townish atmosphere with your name (from earlier memories), and I haven't got such a feeling from any of your posts so far. I don't think you were all that active before either, but you looked townish (analytical/helpful/insightful) with your posts. Where's that in this game? Please start playing like town if you actually ARE town. Otherwise your life expectancy isn't looking too good. Translation: I want to call you scum, but don't really want to, but you normally look townie but aren't this time, although you did look townie earlier. So you might die. HUH? If Xata is town, I see absolutely no reason to post this "stream of consciousness". Make up your mind, THEN post. This just feels like a non-post from scum where it seems he's actively contributing with his thought process, but really isn't. This verbal diarrhoea makes me feel slightly better about austin, btw. Next: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 19:54 Xatalos wrote: On June 24 2013 19:20 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 24 2013 14:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why are people suspicious of Austin? He is actively saying who he is targetting with his role in thread. Mafia has no reason to do this whatsoever. -_- On June 24 2013 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Roles do not equal fucking alignment. I do not know how many times I have to say this in every bloody ptp / pyp games. LOL hahahaha... Good point.. Maybe I should reconsider my townread on BC after all. This heavy bias and inconsistent attitudes towards players sadly doesn't radiate townishness Being AFK for the pre-lynch hour(s) doesn't make me feel any better either. BC town -> null. If I use big words nobody will notice that I am waffling nonsense!!! More stream-of-conscience stuff, but this time with a high dose of stupid. BC isn't contradicting himself here, although DI is an amusing troll. BC is angry at people thinking that having some role means something alignment wise. He says that the WAY austin is USING his role is townie. I disagree, but BC isn't contradicting himself, and if Xata was actually thinking at the same level as he is being verbose, he would realize this. Instead, it's a scum grabbing a cheap opportunity to discredit BC (who is probably town). Onwards and upwards! Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 20:11 Xatalos wrote: On June 24 2013 06:46 WaveofShadow wrote: I am tres sad Solstice wasn't scum. My tryhard pants must have holes in them or something. Hey Kurumi. Since you like bluefishing so much, let's talk about roles. Solstice can come back to the thread anytime he likes, correct? Is there a point in waiting until later in the game to do so? Also I know who wrote my role. :D That's a pretty happy tone in your post after mislynch, isn't it..? Well, however that may be, more importantly could you share your top scumreads sooner rather than later? You jumped on s0Lstice so easily (basically with only a meta-reason which didn't appear until AFTER you had already voted....) so right now you appear scummier than before I switched from you to s0Lstice. There are still few townish posts in your filter that make me reconsider, but it's not too hard for scum to do towny things once in a while. So do you have anything original, genuine that you want to push tomorrow? Or is it going to be filler posts -> join some bandwagon again? We didn't mislynch. We no lynched, and s0lstice got shot by you or your cohorts. But that aside. LOOK AT THE BOLDED PART! Xata has been pretty damned inconsistent about WoS, but he seems to have a scumread on him from the start of D1 (and never actually bothers to try and push him, but that aside). Now what do you do to potential scum? You pressure them, you push them. You poke them, and you prod them. Unless, of course, you're scum yourself. Then you ask if they would please oblige you by maybe posting their reads? But not in any hurry, mind you. Also, great example of the pot calling the kettle black, with regards to shoddy reasons for jumping on the s0lstice case. In closing: lets kill Xatalos Oh snap! So what happens next? On June 25 2013 06:04 deconduo wrote: Acrofales, Winston Churchill met a grisly end. Oh.....I wonder why? Jumpstart to D2: Xatalos still tunnels austin, is wishy-washy as fuck about kita and sk8, but most importantly sk8 (read that post above in my previous post). Sk8 does shit...oh wait he NINJA-VOTES THE GUY HE THOUGHT SCUM GANGED UP ON. Seems like town sentiment is against austin, he's getting the "noob town" cred so he's free to do whatever he does Sk8 then lies about other shit, gives confusing info about Tardis (all game long. Most of it is right, but he purposefully makes it confusing so he can go posts and posts and posts confusing us more and appear active). He LIES ABOUT MY ROLE BEING NERFED. THE HOST FUCKING CONFIRMED IT (I'll expand on this if I can post my role PM). Here: READ THIS SHIT I THINK ITS DAMNING AS FUCK On June 25 2013 11:36 gonzaw wrote: How about straight up stating the role? If I get lynched a random dude that voted me dies But here's the best part, each night I can visit someone and he gains the same ability (after I visit him, if he gets lynched a random dude that voted for him dies). I have no use for it and there is no use in hiding it from scum or whatever because I'll never use it, so let's just get it over with (hopefully obs qt guys have pity on me or something) On June 26 2013 12:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: dont be all upset cause the role I wrote for u got nerfed. I could post the original I wrote for you. It was jester veteran lookout but the lookout gives u numbers with alignment instead of names, cuz that would just be OP. and then u can use your second ability to remove the jester ability from people based on the number u received. i.e. When activatd 1 visted u, they are MAFIA 2 visted u, they are town so basically u could confirm players that visitedd u BUT u dont know who visited u and then become jesters. I guess it got nerfed though since apparently u say it blos. I thot it was pretty balanced On June 27 2013 03:43 deconduo wrote: Some roles may have been altered slightly for whatever reasons, but nothing big or significant was changed. Pretty much everyone was given word for word the role PM we received. Xfire continues not doing shit, even going as far as asking random shit like "oh what's going on I'm confused". Veredict: Well, It did start as a conspiracy theory but the more I wrote about it the more I convince myself of it lolol That's most likely confirmation bias either way though, but there's stuff here to really make you think and re-think this lynch. Also, if Xata/Xfire are scum we can try to understand this on N2 as well. To be honest, the one LESS likely to be scum of the trio is Xfire. Maybe you can replace him with snb...but I dunno Xfire seems to "fit" more than snb, but snb should die soon so it's not like it matters (if snb flips town put Xfire back into the trio) austin, you have the tin-foil hat, so you speculate about this shit This should make good discussion shit. Also I a skimmed Xata's scum game in GoT and I guess I can see him playing like that here. No thorough reading though. Have little time to read him properly, will do so after sk8 hopefully dies and after I come back from uni This is your time to shine Town! Show me what you got! Please kill sk8! Unless you want a super-gambit and kill Xata now or something (although I haven't really read his filter properly yet to make a precise read on him) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:51 GMT
#1754
I forgot the "scum Xfire saves scum sk8 from being getting ganged up on on D1 by claiming he made his role, but then makes 0 attempts to explain the stuff sk8 did or said and never discloses ANY info whatsoever about his role" part, silly me | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:53 GMT
#1755
On June 27 2013 04:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: WHY ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO LYNCH AUSTIN. If he is mafia he is actively giving powers to people in the fucking town. Let him continue doing so. This is also I'm kind of worried about lynching austin. Similar to the "Kurumi is making super-townies inventors" trail of thought (lol if both are scum and using the same tactic to gain eazy town cred) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 19:58 GMT
#1757
You SHOULD have gotten a PM this D2, and you SHOULD have PMed the host back to gain a new ability. What ability you used or didn't use last night don't matter at all. Also, please tell me this: What option did you choose last night, (1) or (2)? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 20:00 GMT
#1759
What option did you choose last night, (1) or (2)? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 20:06 GMT
#1767
On June 27 2013 05:02 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2013 04:58 gonzaw wrote: Xfire you are either lying or deconduo fucked up/nerfed the role You SHOULD have gotten a PM this D2, and you SHOULD have PMed the host back to gain a new ability. What ability you used or didn't use last night don't matter at all. Also, please tell me this: What option did you choose last night, (1) or (2)? 1) stay and fight. I lost, but after resting I met Lina. I choose to take the tazer and not the bat that she offered me. I have gotten no new pms after sending that last choice in. So you DID get an "ability" today, don't lie. Also, by the way, nobody visit Xfire tonight, he's the NRA member (if you visit him he dies, that's what the tazer does) (where you planning on revealing that soon? Or did deconduo nerf it?) Also he'll most likely have KP tonight. Xfire, you better use it on whoever we tell you to, okay? Why didn't you choose the Baseball bat? It made you one-shot poisoner | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 20:07 GMT
#1769
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 20:07 GMT
#1771
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 20:10 GMT
#1777
Thus if you vig him, your vig shot goes through, but you die. If you give him the TARDIS, you indeed give it to him, but you die If you RB him, I have no idea, I didn't think too much about it lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 20:13 GMT
#1779
On June 27 2013 05:09 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2013 05:06 gonzaw wrote: On June 27 2013 05:02 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 27 2013 04:58 gonzaw wrote: Xfire you are either lying or deconduo fucked up/nerfed the role You SHOULD have gotten a PM this D2, and you SHOULD have PMed the host back to gain a new ability. What ability you used or didn't use last night don't matter at all. Also, please tell me this: What option did you choose last night, (1) or (2)? 1) stay and fight. I lost, but after resting I met Lina. I choose to take the tazer and not the bat that she offered me. I have gotten no new pms after sending that last choice in. So you DID get an "ability" today, don't lie. Also, by the way, nobody visit Xfire tonight, he's the NRA member (if you visit him he dies, that's what the tazer does) (where you planning on revealing that soon? Or did deconduo nerf it?) Also he'll most likely have KP tonight. Xfire, you better use it on whoever we tell you to, okay? Why didn't you choose the Baseball bat? It made you one-shot poisoner Oh, I'm confused. I got no pm's telling me of no abilities whatsoever. I only got story pms with choices. I made 2 choices and received no new abilities according to my knowledge. I did not know what the tazer or bat did. I haven't even gotten a pm telling me what my choice did yet. That's weird, you SHOULD have gotten a PM like this: *Stuff* <You have received: A Tazer> Tazer: After using this item, if anybody visits you that night, they will die (his action on you will still go through though) Weird....very weird | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 20:16 GMT
#1781
bye, lynch well | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 20:18 GMT
#1782
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=88#1752 | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 21:29 GMT
#1839
first uruguay loses then this. ......Hamnitgod | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 21:31 GMT
#1840
Someone give me gun so i kill kita then we kikl xfire and xatalos and austin and everybody in the game at once hopefully | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 23:08 GMT
#1849
Sk8 in the ovs qt please answer this: Why did you lie about my role | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 23:10 GMT
#1850
Must be my worst town game ever, godhammit | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 23:46 GMT
#1870
All 4 of kita+austin+Xfire+Xata should die, I don't care which order, hopefully all at the same time. Or rather, I want them to die. If we kill all those 4 and game still goes on then I give up then, I don't and won't have energy left for anything else. Also tomorrow I work the whole shift, so I just have these couple of hours (3-4 hours) to post, because I can only come after N2 ends later :/ Xfire, please choose the KP and shoot one of the above (kita/austin/Xata, preferably kita/austin, Xata feels more like a "lynch" dude, so we can get reactions and see how he defends himself, etc). Someone with a vig shot, shoot Xfire. If he uses his KP then he can't use the Tazer (to kill his attacker), thus both Xfire and one of kita/austin will die. ...that will make me feel better Although I kind of wanted my role to keep living...but he'll get some powerful shit later on so maybe it's better for him to.....for him to.......die. Godhammit I can't even say that without tearing up ;_; | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 23:56 GMT
#1879
XFIRE WHY DIDNT YOU TELL US THAT EITHER? Is just everybody scum in this game? Hamm it, I want a drink.. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 26 2013 23:58 GMT
#1880
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 00:00 GMT
#1882
I repeat: XFIRE, CHOOSE OPTION (3) AND SHOOT KITA | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 00:05 GMT
#1883
kita: confirmed scummer Xfire: almost confirmed scum for not doing shit about the Tardis, like back in D1 or N1 and D2 and shit, and other shit. Xata and austin: Just kill them both, surely 1 of them is scum (maybe not both but who cares?) So Xfire please be so nice to kill your own buddy thxbye If kita doesn't drop dead tonight, you get day vigged tomorrow 1 second into the phase. If kita drops dead tonight, I'll let you live until N3 so you can read the ending of the story. Even if you are scum, if you don't kill kita tonight YOU WONT KNOW THE ENDING. Surely a measly shot on a townie or something is not worth losing that, right? Think about it. No...don't let your buddies in your QT convince you otherwise, don't trust them, they just want your KP! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 00:08 GMT
#1884
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 00:11 GMT
#1887
...fuck Hmm...maybe I could though, I dunno., if I have spare time to browse on my phone | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 00:14 GMT
#1888
I thought a game like this was supposed to be fun ;_; | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 00:15 GMT
#1890
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 00:58 GMT
#1891
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 01:42 GMT
#1892
..hehe... ...hehehe... .....he Wait...now I want to invent another thing. WHAT DO I DO I HAVE ALL THESE IDEAS AARRHHHGG | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 01:59 GMT
#1894
(regarding the story in the Central Station with Roshi the White-Haired Mohawk Rastafari Underworld Lord) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 02:00 GMT
#1895
On June 27 2013 10:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Make something a tree stump can use!! Tree sap? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 02:26 GMT
#1897
...please don't cream yourselves once you find out...but I'll understand if you do BC, watch and learn | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 02:28 GMT
#1898
But...tread carefully, and wisely | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 02:28 GMT
#1899
On June 27 2013 09:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2013 09:14 gonzaw wrote: Why? Why does a PTP game have to be like this? I thought a game like this was supposed to be fun ;_; Y U gotta complain so much I'm havin' fun Now I'm having fun again! Thanks Kurumi! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 02:32 GMT
#1901
Please: 1)Respond to my questions 2)Guys,so what do you think we could "force" Xfire to do, to benefit town the maximum, even if we are not sure about Xfire's alignment (and he could easily be scum)? Basically, "force" him to do something that helps town, and if he doesn't he's confirmed scum, and we can 100% know whether he did it or not. I'm thinking about making him RB kita, but if both are scum kita can fake-claim RB and Xfire can use the busdriver/KP/etc on anyone of his choice | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 02:33 GMT
#1902
On June 27 2013 11:29 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On June 27 2013 10:42 gonzaw wrote: Or...I could just make a creative, fun and useful to town invention... ..hehe... ...hehehe... .....he Wait...now I want to invent another thing. WHAT DO I DO I HAVE ALL THESE IDEAS AARRHHHGG listcheck baby Pfff those are like baby-inventor-steps, I don't need that basic shit. Allayloo! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 02:35 GMT
#1903
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 02:37 GMT
#1905
... Can I invent a DT Listcheck? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 03:57 GMT
#1906
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 04:11 GMT
#1907
...but it's not what you may expect ...maybe... ...maybe not... | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 04:14 GMT
#1908
By "you" I didn't mean Kurumi in particular | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 04:28 GMT
#1909
This might be my last time on this planet and nobody is doing anything. Well tough titties | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 05:41 GMT
#1913
now you are gonna die tonight CROOOOSFIIIIIIRREEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! *sigh* fine I'm going to sleep. In town we trust Respect | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 11:00 GMT
#1920
....at least the ones he has for now I think he can gain some day abilities tomorrow but i already forgot about them. Ill check them latwr and see if theey are poweeful or not lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 16:53 GMT
#1963
I know I know, it's crazy right? Who would do such a thing? But bear with me, it will all make sense in the end, I'm no crazy mofo. So yeah, this "oh what if some random dude is scum because I just said so?" thing is getting tired, at the very least quote something they did previously or scum reads they pushed, etc. Xata, you are doing this now. You are just playing in the "now" in that sense, you take current discussion and just "flow" with it. I did it previously....but at least I made some effort at SOME points to actually read some filters and analyse some people. Why don't you do the same? Also same thing to other players who seem to be doing the same and just seem lazy. Almost everybody is doing this so these whole pages since I left are basically null because very few people are putting actual effort other than saying "DI and kita scum! Of course!" or "geript and kita scum because they could be!" (granted I didn't read most of the posts though). Also posting from work so this will be my only post today before deadline Xfire, no you already met Roshi in that same exact PM (but whatever not important). Xfire, this is important: [b]Tomorrow, as soon as day starts choose option C. Then when you receive that item, tell us you got it. It is a vote stealing ability, so use it on whoever town wants you to use it, and make him vote whoever town wants you to vote. If kita is alive, steal kita's vote right away. If kita's dead, town should reassess so you can steal a scum vote (therefore, if you are town, and even if we are 5v3 or 4v3 or something, we can still win since scum may have 1 less vote). If you are scum then whatever you'll be stealing a scumbuddies vote so who cares? (and town will force you to vote anyways). So with that I'm gone, stop being lazy. You can try by reading some of the stuff I said about Xfire for instance (both in the "conspiracy theory" post and a previous post I made), or the doubts I have about Xata (same again, conspiracy post and previous post. No, sk8 flipping town doesn't make the whole thing invalid just because, it'd be like saying Acro backtracking his case after you make a generic defense makes his case any less valid, which it doesn't, so I suggest you people also read Acro's case). People should be scumhunting right now, if you don't we'll lose I guarantee you that. Scumhunt you fools! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 16:57 GMT
#1964
Xfire, just do something that can be confirmed you have done so, don't choose vet for instance or some shit. I recommend RBing Xata or austin or something, or kita, or WIFOM between them for example, the one you think is more dangerous and can be carrying the scum KP perhaps (if you carry the scum KP then shit I guess). Everything else is unnecessarily confusing so whatever Kill kita. HEAVY analyze Xfire if not kill him if you are lazy Either kill both austin and Xata, or like scumhunt and determine which one is what, discuss, read reactions and pushes, etc. For some other players like maybe Kurumi, just don't let them do nothing at all (which they'll most likely do anyway *sigh* ). DI you "confirmed town" you get your shit together. WOS likely town, even more so because of his enthusiasm to DI resurrecting, they are not both scum and that didn't feel fake. So WOS get shit going as well BC you almost "confirmed town" as well so lead this town for fucks sake. We already know kita scum, we are obviously going to kill him, so stop focusing on that and try hunting the other 2-4 anti-town left please. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 20:14 GMT
#1980
Xfire has all phase to choose an option (if he no chooses same thing is repeated next cycle) As soon as he pms answer to host, host pms him back with more story and either doesnt do anything else, or gives xfire an item xfire started with 3 items and can gain more by this method once xfire gets an item, he could theoretically use it immediately. However some can only be used at night, and others can only be used at day he got the 1st pm as soon as n1 started yes some stuff he said i dont really understand but im done with trying to understand how other people use their role. They seem to be shitting things up for the lulz or something yeah bc good vheck but like maybe you shouldnt have claimed also i diubt people would give eeach other GF abilities (who would?) so itll most likely be correct dunno ehy geriot is more likely mafia than say xfire but whatever i can entertain thwt notion IF SOMEONE MAKES A FUCKING CASE Please....make cases.....try got no pm from host so il assume my invention iw fine. Hope it doesnt get nerfed Yeah austin thise shits are neat, but not terribly interesting. The player roster thing is nice ciuld have used it. For another time i guess. Hope i dont disappoint. At worse it wont be 100% useless so if you dont like it shame upon hou | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 20:23 GMT
#1982
Youll gain a medic kit | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 20:24 GMT
#1983
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 20:25 GMT
#1986
why kill dandel and not me or bc i dunno | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 20:33 GMT
#1990
.....actually, next phase hoose "go to kitchen" Yiull get a pardon, so again if scum have mayority somehow we can still survive if you are town or maybe choose (3) and get the vote steal dunno well figure that out tomorrow | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 20:47 GMT
#1993
Welll...actually he can get a mason thingy, he could get that tomorrow (is the bedroom option) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 21:07 GMT
#1998
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 21:13 GMT
#2000
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 21:16 GMT
#2003
You have to believe! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 21:24 GMT
#2007
Wreck some shit bc im going home noe first check on xata plz | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 21:25 GMT
#2010
Or use any of the other awesone shit in it you are ewok whisperer now....be wise | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 21:29 GMT
#2016
...Post shit that needs to be posted though (maybe not all hidden info) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 22:08 GMT
#2049
bc i think its possible for you t stop geripts mortal kombat, but ask host im not sure itll work xfir...last day you KNEW kita could have bussed himself to kill a towni....yet you VOTED HIM IN THE MORTAL KOMBAT fuck we are surrounded by scum damn you sk8 | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 22:13 GMT
#2055
Alsk i think austin claimed 3p las night and is now talking about bears and never told us what they do., thus they have to do with his win condition | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 22:15 GMT
#2056
but first lets think if i die 100% or not If you guys dont vote is someone kilked anyways? Also if kita or geript have tardis then they may already be bussed mabe shooting them is not a good idea | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 22:29 GMT
#2062
Also tell me the name of the item you got last night | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 22:34 GMT
#2066
....Hmm now that i think about it i may have not specified that in the pm very clearly. Well deconduo, now you know its silent. Every other ability is silent as well so its consistent | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 22:35 GMT
#2068
...but you still have it since you mentioned the story you got because you had it ...wtf? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 22:58 GMT
#2077
Well, I'll have to wait. There are 3 options: 1)Pardoner 2)1 cycle mason ability 3)Vote thief Which one are you guys comfortable for Xfire to be in? If kita+geript is scum, and austin may be 3P, then if Xata is scum Xfire has to be town basically. Also I'm finally home + Show Spoiler + FUCK YOU SPAIN GODDAMIT 1 goddamned penalty why are they such lucky fuckers? Shit fuck long-suck-neck-wrecker krakatoa-cunninlinguist goddhammit | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:11 GMT
#2084
There are still 2 other cool abilities, but they will only help to find the remaining scum most likely, won't really help kill 2 confirmed scum. Second, with the 1st power, you can't "undo" geript's Mortal Kombat. But I don't know if can either: -Stop me from dying -Stop someone using the TARDIS to bus geript and someone else Xfire: When is the bus driver ability of the TARDIS "activated"? At any time, or right before it's used? Or rather, BC, I didn't specify this in the PM because fucking hell how would I know. Ask the hosts if the bus driver ability is "activated" when it actually drives someone (so if geript is bussed with X, then the bus ability will be activated once geript is shot, and not when the busdriver PMs "Bus geript and X", because when geript is shot, the shot is bussed onto X. THerefore that's the time the busdriver action really occurs) Please ask deconduo to clarify this. If we have luck and you can stop this, then we just vote geript, kill him in his own game, and lynch kita (I'm sure scum were counting on TARDIS bus shit to save geript, thus no medic stuff on geript, specially not at day I doubt anybody has created a role with that shit) We can SOLVE this right now if you do that BC, so please. Otherwise, then you may have to use the shot. Shooting kita/geript may either pay off or not, we would have to gamble. Also the hosts will have to confirm to you the shot is made silently, so scum can't last-minute-bus or something IF not, then what else? Shoot Xata perhaps? That's a risk though, if he flips town we are kind of fucked I think, specially since it would mean Xfire is scum most likely and he'll have lots of shit to use tonight and tomorrow. Thirdly, fuck this game I had shit reads all game long for fucks sake. Thank god Kurumi is a bro and made me have fun again (by making me inventor), if not I would have shot myself by now most likely. Also, why didn't Kurumi give the TARDIS away? He doesn't have any noticeable night action, so why didn't he just use it and pass it to me/BC/etc? Or if he gets killed he can't pass it at all or something? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:12 GMT
#2085
On June 28 2013 08:01 Dandel Ion wrote: I call for Votethief on kita or geript It seems Xfire gets the item once the phase ends (I made it so he should get it instantly, but well I guess hosts nerfed that shit). Hopefully kita and geript are both dead by D4 so Xfire doesn't have to sue the votethief on him. Xfire, please confirm you can get the item RIGHT NOW. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:13 GMT
#2086
On June 28 2013 07:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: arg I feel like taking a risk READ MY ABOVE POST FIRST BEFORE DOING ANYTHING PLEASE | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:28 GMT
#2088
Obviously he should still use it. Use it on WOS+Me+BC+Dandel please. Same shit again, medic/vig, BC/gonzaw (well...if I survive this geript shit). Come on, I think you may be pro-town 3P so I believe in you austin! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:29 GMT
#2089
You just don't get in the way of an Ewok Whisperer......trust me, you don't | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:30 GMT
#2090
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:42 GMT
#2092
Anyways, Xata, Xfire, austin, go fight each other and tell us who of you 3 is scum also, inb4 WOS is scum | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:44 GMT
#2093
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:47 GMT
#2098
I actually had made a part of that ability with geript's mortal kombat shit (and what happened to Dandel last cycle) in mind. I literally made the role like in 20 minutes before going to sleep. I wished I had more time to actually think about how actions would be done, when they would be done, etc so I could have made it better. We can only hope for the best now once BC gets back (he has the invention so I suppose he's the one that can ask shit about it) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:53 GMT
#2099
On June 28 2013 08:46 austinmcc wrote: Gonzaw, I don't think there IS any geript shit. The PMs rescinded, no voting. Unless he can kill without the voting, he's just shitting up thread. If we got the right answers I would have wanted his shit to work :/ If there is no mortal kombat right now then, I dunno what to do really. Shooting for the 4th scum might be the best choice, but scum know that so they may actually bus drive him with one of us, so if we miss, we kill a townie, if we hit right, we kill a townie. If we shoot we have to gamble on where the TARDIS will be on, kita/geript or the 4th scum. Well....that's up to BC I guess. Surely 100% one of kita/geript is unprotected (...ehm....they should.....right?), so at worst it's a 50/50 to shoot one and lynch the other. BC can try to find out the remaining scum (if he has any luck); but if we can just kill 1 scum today, will it be enough? Knowing scum doesn't do shit if they are still alive and can fuck us up. Anyways whatever. I at least want this game to go over to N3/D4 so Xfire can see the ending of my role (please tell me if you get the PM instantly or not so I can worry if the game should be prolonged to D4 or not) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:56 GMT
#2102
SO yes, maybe it's best for BC to just try to kill scum right now... ....although. BC, you do know your gun can shoot at night as well, right? Please read the fine print. We could lynch one scum now, hope he had the TARDIS, hope the TARDIS gets to a townie, and have BC shoot the remaining one. This might be the best option atm. If we get lucky we can finish both geript and kita by N3. By the way, kita can't have the TARDIS since he already had it initially and he's scum So the TARDIS is in either geript's or remaining scum's hands. We could only really hope geript has it so we lynch him and it's randomly given to someone (if Kurumi dying made the TARDIS be randomly distributed, then so should geript dying do the same) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 27 2013 23:59 GMT
#2104
On June 28 2013 08:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2013 08:53 gonzaw wrote: On June 28 2013 08:46 austinmcc wrote: Gonzaw, I don't think there IS any geript shit. The PMs rescinded, no voting. Unless he can kill without the voting, he's just shitting up thread. If we got the right answers I would have wanted his shit to work :/ If there is no mortal kombat right now then, I dunno what to do really. Shooting for the 4th scum might be the best choice, but scum know that so they may actually bus drive him with one of us, so if we miss, we kill a townie, if we hit right, we kill a townie. If we shoot we have to gamble on where the TARDIS will be on, kita/geript or the 4th scum. Well....that's up to BC I guess. Surely 100% one of kita/geript is unprotected (...ehm....they should.....right?), so at worst it's a 50/50 to shoot one and lynch the other. BC can try to find out the remaining scum (if he has any luck); but if we can just kill 1 scum today, will it be enough? Knowing scum doesn't do shit if they are still alive and can fuck us up. Anyways whatever. I at least want this game to go over to N3/D4 so Xfire can see the ending of my role (please tell me if you get the PM instantly or not so I can worry if the game should be prolonged to D4 or not) How insanely balls to the wall do you want me to go? Don't do anything yet, and we lynch geript. With luck, we might get the TARDIS back. After that you shoot kita at night (has no TARDIS, no geript, no defense), he flips by D4 and with your DT check we lynch the remaining scum. You'll get DT check because I'll medic you when austin does the same shit he did last night Surely we could find something for Xfire to do with the shit he has now so maybe he can help (if he's town). Read the EWW PM carefully, you know what I want you to do. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 00:12 GMT
#2108
How town will win this game: Even if the 4th scum has the TARDIS, he can't give it to geript since he'll die, he can't give it to kita since kita already had it We are guaranteed to get the TARDIS into town hand's tonight Therefore we are guaranteed no random bus thing will be going on, and no scum using it to protect themselves (Xfire please confirm this) Xfire should choose option (3) this Day phase. Option (3) USES his Rubber Duck, that has the bus-driver ability. In turn it gives him the votethief thing. Just in case Xfire is scum, then he won't have the Rubber Duck anymore, thus he won't be able to bus kita with someone. Therefore BC's shot will go through 100% to kita tonight. If Xfire can get the PM this D3, or once N3 starts, I'll ask him to give me word by word the story from the PM he got. The story is different depending which option he chose, therefore we'll 100% know if Xfire chose option (3) (and thus doesn't have the Rubber Duck anymore), or lied and chose something else (in which case he won't accurately tell me what the story that stemmed from option (3) was) So, geript will be lynched, kita will die to vig shot tonight. Like I said, austin will give me medic (same procedure as last cycle), and I'll protect BC. Scum only have 1 KP, and I doubt Xata or kita have any night KP left, so BC will most likely survive. Even if he dies kita will die, so we are still in a good position If he doesn't die though, he'll use his DT check on Xfire, or Xata, or austin, or hell maybe WOS (althought that'd kind of be a bad check lol). If BC is as good as he is now (holy shit 2 scum DTs in a row dude you are town MVP for sure), then he'll check the remaining scum, I know it. With the 4th scum known in D4, we lynch him, plain and simple. IF things go wrong, we can make Xfire use his votethief ability on said scum...just in case. Don't worry guys, we've got this Now someone please make that "who made whose role" shit lol austin, you have free time apparently and you are not doing much, why don't you do it? I want to know 100% who made Xatalos role, who made kita's role and who made geript's role. If a townie made anyone of those roles (I already forgot about claims) we'll know what they are able to do (save kita tonight, kill BC tonight, etc). | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 00:13 GMT
#2109
On June 28 2013 09:02 geript wrote: Why do you assume that I'm even lynchable? Weren't you listening when you heard Kita say that I have resurrection powers? U so bad gonzaw. Hey geript, can you sing a song to me? I'm in the mood. You don't have much else to do, so can you do me that favor? Pretty please? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 00:16 GMT
#2110
Well, at least if I don't get the Tardis and BC doesn't get the Tardis. Alternatively, the townie can use the Tardis to bus me/BC and one of austin/Xata. In case me/BC get shot and we don't have protection, then one of austin/Xata will die instead (either the scum...or well the town one I don't care if the townie of them flips on N3). We have lots of possibilities with that shit. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 00:29 GMT
#2114
On June 28 2013 09:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2013 09:16 gonzaw wrote: It should be obvious that the townie that gets the TARDIS uses it to protect himself. Well, at least if I don't get the Tardis and BC doesn't get the Tardis. Alternatively, the townie can use the Tardis to bus me/BC and one of austin/Xata. In case me/BC get shot and we don't have protection, then one of austin/Xata will die instead (either the scum...or well the town one I don't care if the townie of them flips on N3). We have lots of possibilities with that shit. If i get the tardis I just prot you, you prot me. Or the like. Using the TARDIS prevents you from using a night action. If I get it it prevents me from medic'ing you (although I could just bus you with Xata or austin for instance) If you get it it prevents you from using your DT check. I think it will be better if the townie that gets it doesn't claim he got it, and he does with it what he thinks is best. Like I said, there are only 2 options basically: 1)Protect yourself 2)Bus drive someone you think is valuable townie or a townie that will likely get shot at night with one of austin/Xatalos. Instructions to Fellow townies/players: Austin: Give me a straw poll with the Medic ability so I can choose it (and any other role, doesn't matter) Give BC a straw poll with BC in it so he can choose himself (and any other player, doesn't matter) Give Dandel a straw poll with me in it (and any other player, doesn't matter) Give WOS a straw poll with the Vigilante in it (and any other role, doesn't matter) At night, choose "Medic" and "Gonzaw", so I can protect BC + Show Spoiler + Alternative is giving me or BC a vig ability, so we have 2 vig shots we can use on kita+remaining scum. Dunno if this would be worth it or not, if we shoot a townie and BC dies for instance You guys decide if it'd be worth it. Austin however, if town decides to do X you do it. Don't try WIFOMing and giving one of us the vig maybe without telling town you'll be doing it first, unless you want wrath being brought upon you Xfire: First, find out exactly how the TARDIS works with the bus driver ability (when it can be activated, etc). I just want my doubts about it to disappear. If you already posted this then please show it to me, thanks Second, choose Option 3: Use the Rubber Duck from the story Thirdly, find out if you get the item (plus PM) instantly or not. Not only about today but also about N3 when you'll receive a new Story PM. If you have a choice, then make it so you choose to receive the item instantly. Once N3 arrives, I'll give you instructions about what you should choose then (which may depend on whether you get the item instantly or not) BC: Do your thing brah | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 00:40 GMT
#2116
If kita got the TARDIS again today, then whether he uses it or not, it'll be distributed to someone random right? Can it be passed to his 4th scumbuddy? Can he receive it again? If so, can he use it again? Or not? We really can't get this unlucky with TARDIS RNG though. If kita or geript have it, then it will be RNGed no matter what. But if their 4th buddy has it, he technically can pass it to kita this D3, and kita could use it on N3, right? Again, Xfire please confirm this shit. On June 28 2013 09:21 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2013 09:13 gonzaw wrote: On June 28 2013 09:02 geript wrote: Why do you assume that I'm even lynchable? Weren't you listening when you heard Kita say that I have resurrection powers? U so bad gonzaw. Hey geript, can you sing a song to me? I'm in the mood. You don't have much else to do, so can you do me that favor? Pretty please? Me singing you a song <3 On June 28 2013 09:34 geript wrote: But Gonzaw. I sung you a song. Why didn't you tell me to do anything else? ##Lovetap Gonzaw Please don't stop! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 00:53 GMT
#2119
On June 28 2013 09:49 geript wrote: I <3 Gonzawga Why can't scum and town get along like this in all games? We are all human people! Both town and scum! We can be together! Say no to Alignism. If you are town or scum you don't deserve to be treated differently. Occupy Lynch 2013 | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:01 GMT
#2123
On June 28 2013 09:57 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Is your campaign pro and anti-bear?On June 28 2013 09:53 gonzaw wrote: On June 28 2013 09:49 geript wrote: I <3 Gonzawga Why can't scum and town get along like this in all games? We are all human people! Both town and scum! We can be together! Say no to Alignism. If you are town or scum you don't deserve to be treated differently. Occupy Lynch 2013 This is unbearable austin, please I can't bear you talking about your bears again. I'm bear-y disappointed in you, I could claw your face off Also, there's no reason to make BC choose BC. Make Xfire choose BC, but make BC choose Medic gonzaw+medic is what we really want. Therefore give those 2 options to the guys that won't really fuck up or aren't scum Give dandel and Xfire BC+vig in whatever order. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:04 GMT
#2128
On June 28 2013 10:02 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + I need to de-bear everyone alive at endgame.On June 28 2013 09:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On June 28 2013 09:57 austinmcc wrote: On June 28 2013 09:53 gonzaw wrote: Is your campaign pro and anti-bear?On June 28 2013 09:49 geript wrote: I <3 Gonzawga Why can't scum and town get along like this in all games? We are all human people! Both town and scum! We can be together! Say no to Alignism. If you are town or scum you don't deserve to be treated differently. Occupy Lynch 2013 What all is entailed with your bears yo. Hello 3rd party | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:07 GMT
#2132
On June 28 2013 10:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2013 10:01 gonzaw wrote: On June 28 2013 09:57 austinmcc wrote: On June 28 2013 09:53 gonzaw wrote: Is your campaign pro and anti-bear?On June 28 2013 09:49 geript wrote: I <3 Gonzawga Why can't scum and town get along like this in all games? We are all human people! Both town and scum! We can be together! Say no to Alignism. If you are town or scum you don't deserve to be treated differently. Occupy Lynch 2013 This is unbearable austin, please I can't bear you talking about your bears again. I'm bear-y disappointed in you, I could claw your face off Also, there's no reason to make BC choose BC. Make Xfire choose BC, but make BC choose Medic gonzaw+medic is what we really want. Therefore give those 2 options to the guys that won't really fuck up or aren't scum Give dandel and Xfire BC+vig in whatever order. To be honest, I like picking my own name from the list -_- makes me feel more secure But you are not supposed to do anything with it :/ On June 28 2013 10:01 geript wrote: Not in the slightest. It's a minor ripple in the plan, but not a real issue. To be honest, after how badly you fucked up the last game I'm very surprised that you didn't do it N2. Well, BC will surely fuck up this N3 Oh, I mean fuck something up, and that something will be your scumbuddies .....I'm joking! Town-scum love everybody! Peace and love, Detective and Godfather, Goon and Vanilla. Geript....can you make me a drawing now? Pleasssee? :3 | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:09 GMT
#2134
On June 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript time to start policy lynching you in future games. <3 In other news, I remember being really damn sure Xatalos is scum #4. I don't want to derail the efforts regarding stuff that's actually going on, but if I were to come up with a convincing case (with the possibility of course that it is wrong one way or the other), what would it mean for the rest of the day and town's efforts? I really don't want to mess with whatever people are trying to do here and I have to be honest, I haven't been following all the crazy role shit 100%. You are asking us if making a case on scum will be bad for town? ....well, OF COURSE ITS FUCKING BAD FOR TOWN WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? JEESUSS Like, you are worse than Sk8, YOU ARE WORSE THAN SKATER8 DO YOU REALIZE THAT? You want to make a case.....on someone you think is scum. DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING INSANELY STUPID THAT SOUNDS? Like...what's going on in your head man? Like really I should ask for a 10-game ban for you once this game ends for christ's sake. Godhammit dude. ARRGGGHH I can't believe what some people do in these games, it just fucking baffles me. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:10 GMT
#2135
On June 28 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Don't think that's an option. Pretty sure everyone (possibly excluding me) has a bear.On June 28 2013 10:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote: what happens if you visit someone who doesn't have a bear? If you find ... whatever the most recent other PTP game was, I created a similar bonus win con. If you need to de-bear players it's not a bonus win con. Guess what it's called? A regular win con. You know, like win cons 3rd parties have | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:12 GMT
#2137
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gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:24 GMT
#2140
I want one. Also the handle is invisible....so there's that (or is it white? Huh....interesting dilemma you produced there geript) | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:31 GMT
#2142
You gave me music, you gave me art. You only need to give me a town win, and I'll give you my heart! Can you do that for me geript? <3 ;w; | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:37 GMT
#2145
Now I need kita to do the same. You can ask him to do that, right geript? Would you do that tiny tiny thing for me, geript? ;w; | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:43 GMT
#2148
I thought what we had is special You break my heart ;w; | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:44 GMT
#2149
On June 28 2013 10:42 geript wrote: I drew you 2 pretty pikatures. WHY YOU NO DRAW FOR ME? YOU NO LUV YOUR LUVEBOTTON BACK? My fellow townies don't let me draw. They call it "shitting up the thread". If they catch me doing that they will kill me! Let's run away! Away far from these houses! Then we can draw together, forever! ;w; | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 01:54 GMT
#2152
That's you, wubbywove! Now, wait a little bit so I tell Susan I'm going on a "field trip", and we are set to go, my love! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 02:13 GMT
#2164
It is war! En guard! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 03:11 GMT
#2168
if you do i'll totes believe you are survivor, i pinky swear it! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 03:16 GMT
#2171
You can still sing me a song! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 03:19 GMT
#2174
You should edit it in, and please explain how you managed to work with your awesome scumbuddies to play this awesomely! Please post their names, you see, I have a bad memory and I don't want to search the game itself to see who you were scum with. Silly me! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 03:48 GMT
#2178
Please edit in how you managed to survive until end-game as pro-town survivor, and managed to fool scum into thinking you were one of them, and then edit in how in the middle of D3 you revealed this master plan and lead a wagon against the 4th scum and then you won with town. I'd like to know what lesson you learnt from that | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 04:05 GMT
#2182
I won't be turned to the host side of the force! NEVER! No matter how much you try! I'll never join you! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 04:13 GMT
#2183
So...hmm.....fuck it I'm going to sleep. So you mean that, imagine kita has the TARDIS, and hasn't done anything with it. Now imagine BC day vigs kita. You say that kita will be protected, or will bus himself with someone else, even when he did NOTHING with the TARDIS yet? Or what? Can someone pass the TARDIS to someone even if they die that cycle (i.e to lynch)? Can you use the TARDIS even if you have no reason to use it (i.e can you activate the "vet" ability even if nobody shoots you, or activate the bus-drive ability even if it's never executed, etc)? Hmm, I'll have to think about letting you keep the Rubber Duck. The only other alternative (unless you want shitty Mason Phone I don't even know why I put it there I was in a hurry lol) is you getting pardoner, and that doesn't really help us much (if you NEED to use pardoner so scum doesn't force a lynch on a townie....we already lost). | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 04:38 GMT
#2185
1)Player X has TARDIS, already activated bus and busses player X with player Z. Then WHENEVER player X is shot, player Z dies, and viceversa 2)Player X has TARDIS, already activated vet ability. Then WHENEVER he's shot he's protected 3)Player X has TARDIS, doesn't do anything. He is shot. He instantly is given the choice to either bus himself or use the vet ability. Once he chooses, that action takes place. Am I correct? If so .... it's kind of weirdly imbalanced. Like...if the guy CHOOSES to use it, then yes, if anything happens to him later it should protect him (options [1] and [2]). But if he doesn't use it, he shouldn't be given a walkthrough on how to survive that KP/whatever and stuff. If he didn't use the TARDIS yet then fuck him he should have used it before. I kind of regret not saving Kurumi last night. Seemed so obvious in hindsight, he had the TARDIS and the ability to create inventors. Sadly the TARDIS was a huge WTF to me by that time. Someone please tell me who made kita's role Also, maybe we could double check the correctness of the claims, to see if Xata really could have made himself the role, etc. I think figuring out whom solstice made the role to could be important (to determine who may be lying about what, etc). I just didn't want my invention to die Acro's "everybody claim who they made role to" idea he had back in D1 doesn't seem so bad now, does it? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 04:44 GMT
#2186
The "scum gets it, town gets it but it doesn't work, it's randomly given to scum, who then gives it to another scum, then randomly given to a townie but it doesn't work, then randomly given to scum, who then gives it to another scum, ...." cycle seems kind of imbalanced too Maybe we just had bad luck (really? Out of 10 people only 3 had to get it to fuck us up and they did get it? Assuming 3 scum remaining) Actually, in a very very very strange turn of events maybe Xata is town and HE got the TARDIS (remember how he hasn't shown up yet this D3 because of something something). | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 04:49 GMT
#2187
Xfire -> Sk8 Sk8 -> gonzaw gonzaw -> Xfire austin -> austin BC -> BC Xatalos -> Xatalos kitaman -> geript geript -> WOS WOS -> Dandel Dandel -> Zepphird Zephirdd -> ?? Kurumi -> ?? Meapak_Ziphh -> ?? strongandbig -> ?? s0lstice -> ?? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 04:59 GMT
#2188
Imagine austin gives me the medic/vig shit...can I use that ability plus the Tardis? I mean, my night action is visiting people to "troll" them or some shit, thus that would be the night action I can't use right? .....speaking of which....how about I visit BC, Dandel, etc with that ability? I mean, we, as town will never "misslynch" them. However, if scum have equal numbers or so, CAN force a misslynch on them. But if that's the case, then if the townie getting misslynched has the "if you get lynched random voter dies", then scum will die 100% (since they force the lynch on super townie). No townie will ever vote them, but scum will, so we have nothing to lose, right? Assuming no weird scum-Tardis bus driver obviously (maybe they drive BC with their 4th buddy, and I end up giving that ability to their buddy) If there are no complaints then tonight I'll use my role for the first time in the game lol | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 14:39 GMT
#2202
On June 28 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote: This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game? On June 28 2013 01:15 Xatalos wrote: And so: geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27 If it's a lie, why isn't geript voting for kitaman? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 14:44 GMT
#2203
I choose "gonzaw" right? kita be delusional as you want, you WILL die before the game is over, so you better reread your role PM more carefully and hope it actually said "Church" instead of "Survivor" Anyways fuck this game I have no strength to figure out who is the remaining scum, all 3 of Xfire/Xata/austin are scummy shits 99% of the time and slightly townie shit like 1% of the time. I just can't bother anymore I'll just sheep BC. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 14:54 GMT
#2207
On June 28 2013 23:45 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2013 23:39 gonzaw wrote: On June 28 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote: On June 28 2013 06:00 Crossfire99 wrote: I roleblocked Xata. This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game? On June 28 2013 01:15 Xatalos wrote: And so: geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27 If it's a lie, why isn't geript voting for kitaman? Read the role fool Oh So lastminute switch to kita so both him and geript die (since geript isn't voting kita)? Cool | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 15:54 GMT
#2215
On June 24 2013 07:44 kitaman27 wrote: This is important. Please read. Whoever owns the TARDIS, please pass it to me tonight. I just need you to trust me on this one, but there will be evidence of its usage in the day post tomorrow and how it will clearly benefit town. Additionally, the role I created can ensure that I will be protected from night hits/busdrivers/roleblocks. I'm requesting protection from Strax tonight so I can pull of my ability with the TARDIS tonight. If I end up dead tomorrow, Strax is almost certainly scum. If there is a watcher role out there, it might be worth being on me as well, since it can essentially confirm me, Strax, and the Tardis owner as town if things go as planned. My questions is very simple actually: How could scum kita know the TARDIS existed in the game at that point? First of all, there were only TWO mentions of the TARDIS before that point: 1)I think it was me or others speculating about 3rd party needing a TARDIS, that's why he shot solstice (lol I can't believe I kind of guessed that one, considering sk8 gave TARDIS to sol) 2)Sol's role was The Doctor, and talked about the TARDIS, but it was just flavor for the "mason companion" thing, thus irrelevant The only 2 people that KNEW about the Tardis by then where Xfire and sk8. CTRL-F their filters, they make NO mention of the TARDIS before kita speaks. There is an alternative option, in which kita was just spouting random bullshit (as scum) about someone giving him the TARDIS. But it's too much of a coincidence. He would have guessed the TARDIS exists in the game as a mechanic, and also that it can be passed from player to player. How the hell could you just "guess" that, and be 100% right? So if we take that out kita did know the TARDIS was in the game But if he's scum, how could he?. The TARDIS is ONLY part of sk8's role that Xfire made, it's not an inherent mechanic of the game shown in the OP or something. So there are basically 2 options really: 1)kita is really 3P and knows of the TARDIS because of his win condition 2)kita is scum with Xfire 1)In this case, when Xfire made the role, the hosts decided to use the TARDIS for the survivor's win condition, or whatever 3P kita is. So they told him in his PM. Thus kita knows about it, and knew it could be passed from player to player, etc 2)Only Xfire and sk8 "knew" about the Tardis. Sk8 flipped town. So if kita is scum, the only way he could know about the Tardis is if Xfire is scum with him and told him in their scum QT. There is a 3rd option, in which kita IS scum, and the TARDIS is mentioned in his role PM for some reason.... ....but why? Why would the hosts explicitly tell scum in their role PM about the role mechanics of OTHER TOWNIES? That's imbalanced as fuck lol. If that's true then why didn't the hosts tell us about geript's Mortal Kombat thing when the game started? Or about MZ's "mason circle" thing? But even if (1) or (3) is true, why the fuck would kita have in his role PM (or have a priori knowledge of) something ANOTHER PLAYER CREATED AS A PTP ROLE? Like...are hosts allowed to do that? If I had created a Magic Dildo and given it to Xfire with his role, the hosts could have used that Magic Dildo for a 3P's win condition or something? Hosts, can the mechanics of roles created by players incidental in the mechanics of the mafia game itself? Another possibility....is that whoever made kita's role just happened to put "you need to get the TARDIS" in his role PM JUST AS Xfire made a TARDIS role to sk8. Remember this happened before alignments so nobody could communicate with anybody. .....so.......wtf is going on guys? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:04 GMT
#2217
Why waste it instead of having an easy lynch in kita? Unless Xfire is scum, then geript wouldn't know about the TARDIS and what it did right? So he was just 100% trying to kill a claimed 3P so that doesn't make sense. This gives 2 options basically: 1)Xfire is scum with geript, kita 3P 2)geript is scum with kita (Xfire irrelevant) (2) is the one we are all assuming now. Kita gets TARDIS, knows what it does, tells geript about it, they plan using MK with kita+geript so kita can bus himself with a townie of their choice: free day kill on a townie Why use it on DI and not me or BC is beyond me. Maybe they used it on someone that voted for the MK thing so townies didn't suspect anything so it wasn't a "scum claim"; which is effectively what happened since nobody really suspected much until late N2. If not, then (1) is the really only other choice. geript knows about the TARDIS power because of scum Xfire. He knows that if he uses it on kita kita will not die and use the TARDIS. However, if this is the case, then why couldn't kita use TARDIS to protect himself instead? Then geript would just waste a bullet And what if kita had bussed himself with a scum? What if kita bussed himself with Xfire/Xata/etc (whoever scum are in this scenario)? geript would be shooting his own teammate. Argh, fucking game. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:07 GMT
#2218
On June 29 2013 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote: All that post says to me is kita's TARDIS thing is a scumslip and Xfire is scum. I can't see any reason why hosts would manipulate a role so heavily. Yes, Meapak +geript + kitaman + Crossfire scumteam is the one that makes the most sense (or the one that makes ANY sense at all basically). ...but...what if? Like....apparently the hosts may have lied about my role (sk8 said he made me veteran lookout or some shit, hosts said they didn't change roles basically, yet I got vengeful-spirit-maker; why would sk8 lie?), so why couldn't they do some weird shit like this, with either 3P kita or scum kita with town Xfire? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:11 GMT
#2219
If kita is 3P, then there is most likely 2 scum in austin/Xata/Xfire, which means Xfire is very likely scum (would austin AND Xata really be scum together? Xata tunneled austin since N1, and Xata was very quick to vote austin back in D1, etc). So does this means Xfire is scum no matter what? Or what else? Xfire has given me some slight town feelings ultimately, and he was clear with his use of my role in terms of picking stuff. Granted, apparently he didn't RB Xata last night (maybe?) and I still don't know wtf he did on N1 (he claimed he couldn't get an ability or some shit I have no idea) Christ I don't know Meh | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:19 GMT
#2221
On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote: As for what option to choose. I actually don't know if it is a good choice for me to use the rubber duck now knowing what we know. The only way scum can get dayvigged is if they don't have the TARDIS, but that means they will still have it tonight. Them being able to busdrive will mess us up. Therefore it is probably a good idea for me to have my bus drive ability to use to tonight to give scum something to worry about. I know this is difficult for you to allow because you think I might be scum, but I think we are in such desperate straights that we need to do something to save ourselves. I won't make my choice now, but I'm just throwing this out there. Xfire right now wanted me to let him have the Busdriver ability for tonight... ......that's really sketchy considering the above (if he's scum he wants to be able to bus drive so kita isn't vigged and I or BC die instead for instance) His reasoning is that we are "in such a desperate straights" that we may need Xfire's bus ability. His reasoning is that it will give scum "something to worry about". But HOW would we need it? How on earth would Xfire use the bus drive ability tonight to help town? How would he "give scum something to worry about"? The ONLY problem comes if scum have the TARDIS, therefore scum have the busdriver ability. How would Xfire's bus driver ability be of any help there? From what I know if a busdriver busses X and Y, and another busdriver busses X and Y as well, the bus isn't "canceled", so if scum want to bus kita with a townie then how on earth could Xfire prevent that? ...damn, I can't help but feel I'm jumping to conclusions here....but really I don't know what to think Xfire, do you have anything to say? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:34 GMT
#2230
On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote: yeah i'm not sure gonzaw. I know i'm not scum so it can't be 2. Also, gonzaw imagine i'm scum and sk8r is town. The only people who know anything at all about the TARDIS are my scumbuddies and sk8r. I know sk8r can pass it. Why don't I at night just tell sk8r to use his role to me and give me a gift or something. . ?? You could just say in the QT "Okay, kita, you tell in thread to give the TARDIS to you, sk8 will surely give it to you if you sugar-coat it enough. I won't say anything because I'll gain attention to myself, and I want to be the 'hidden' scum that survives until LYLO" In fact that actually makes more sense than you personally telling sk8 to give you the tardis. The TARDIS stays hidden from town and scum have it without being obvious about it Please tell me how what ACTUALLY happened (most-likely-scum kita getting the TARDIS) is any different than that? If you have to tell sk8 IN THREAD to give it to you the tardis doesn't "stay hidden", are you kidding me? Also "without being obvious about it" is surely enough for mafia. kita was "so obvious" he avoided the D2 lynch. Why would you asking sk8 in thread to give it to you, and then you saying stuff like "Hey, now I'm giving the TARDIS to kita/geript okay? Oh yeah sorry gonzaw/BC I don't trust you guys with it!" on D2 NOT "being obvious about it" either? Actually, think about this. IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT. SO KITA AND I CAN'T BOTH BE SCUM. SAY HE'S NOT SCUM. SAY I'M SCUM, I SEE SOMEONE ASKING FOR THE TARDIS SO I TELL SK8R TO GIVE IT TO ME INSTEAD BECAUSE I JUST DEFENDED HIM SO HE TRUSTS ME AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT TO NONSCUM. I'M THEN ABLE TO SAVE MEAPAK. BASICALLY I THINK I JUST PROVED I'M NOT SCUM LOL. Don't you fucking lie: On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote: so i got some answers gonzaw. The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS. Also, please read this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=64 BC claims MZ is mafia and shoots him right there Do you see kita? No? Well that's because he is not active How can inactive kita save MZ from the shot if he's not there to activate it? This would also assume kita would have known BC had ANOTHER SHOT he could use on MZ, then figure out he needs to bus MZ with someone else, and do so,in the 9 minutes it took BC to shoot MZ! I will repeat this, because you are fucking contradicting yourself: On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote: IF I WAS SCUM AND KITA WAS SCUM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD KITA TO BUS MEAPAK TO SAVE HIM FROM BC'S SHOT. On June 28 2013 12:59 Crossfire99 wrote: The TARDIS activates immediately. The only way a dayvig shot can be bus driven by the TARDIS is if the person getting shot has the TARDIS. On June 29 2013 01:23 kitaman27 wrote: So let me get this straight: geript, xfire, and I are scum buddies. I decide to claim in the thread about the TARDIS, knowing that xfire created it, because outing two scum members is totally worth the one-shot medic protect. xfire decided to claim in the thread that he created the TARDIS role to implicate himself, because why not?! Kurumi is lying about the TARDIS getting drained because he likes to troll town and my role has nothing to do with the TARDIS. Geript decides to use his day vig power on myself, knowing that I have the bus drive ability and can bus the results of the vote to any player, but rather than challenging someone like Sk8r and busing a shot from Sk8r to BC anonymously, he wants to shoot his scum buddy and implicate the two of us even more. That's the most likely scenario? LOL You are 3P survivor, why do you give a shit what we think of Xfire if you win either way? Why would you get nervous just because some townie is speculating about some random players you SHOULDNT care about? You havent' posted ANY interesting thing at all until right now, yet a random townie accuses some other random townie/scum and suddenly you come out of nowhere to defend him? Huh kita? Mind explaining that to me? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:44 GMT
#2233
On June 29 2013 01:25 kitaman27 wrote: So kurumi is lying? That's the story you're sticking to? What if this was the PM Xfire gave to the hosts?: Hi hosts! This is the Role PM: This is additional stuff you should know about, but you DONT tell the guy that gets my role: If the Tardis is used one phase, then the next one it's "drained of energy". Thus it has to wait 1 phase for it to be usable again. This is to prevent the whole game being determined by a super bus/vet ability that can be used EVERY SINGLE PHASE love you hosts! xfire xoxo Or alternatively, it's a nerf by the hosts because THE TARDIS IS FUCKING POWERFUL AS SHIT IF NOT. If not, then how about you explain me the TARDIS being drained of energy in "your" scenario, where Xfire is town and you are Survivor? I just found an explanation for it, would you kindly give one yourself? On June 29 2013 01:28 kitaman27 wrote: Rather than save Meapak with a bus, throwing away a free hit and confirming BC, I decided that I'm going to bus my scum buddies own vig shot on myself to another player. GOTTA MAKE THE BIG PLAYS You are indeed getting too nervous for being the "cool 3P survivor that doesn't give a shit about the game" ...I should be way of you doing this on purpose as scum though, so I'll just ignore you. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:44 GMT
#2235
*...I should be wary of you doing.... | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 16:48 GMT
#2237
On June 29 2013 01:41 Crossfire99 wrote: well gonzaw, i'm not lying. the hosts condradicted themselves. I actually would find that to be believable, if we consider sk8's shit about my role that happened (basically the stuff that convinced me to wagon on him and not change to austin). ....goddamit, how can I play this game if I can't trust the hosts with game-changing information? *sigh* Well, we lynch geript now anyways. Xfire, under no circumstances you will choose another option that's not (3) (Use the Rubber Duck) until: -This situation is resolved -I personally, or town in tandem, tell you what to pick If those 2 don't happen and you still have the Rubber Duck once this D3 ends I'll consider it a scum claim (If scum DONT get the Tardis tonight, then if you are scum with Rubber Duck it's the same as if they did have it). Speaking of which, would you mind explaining that "Xata claimed he wasn't RBed" thing? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:51 GMT
#2238
On June 29 2013 01:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Gonzaw can we track TARDIS actions to see if it was used twice in a row? I feel like it was so your scenario doesn't make sense. Obviously Kurumi wasn't lying but since we don't know Kita's real role there's nothing that says he can't get the hosts to send a fake PM or something.
From what I gather it was used 2 times only. Maybe it's just "if it's used 2 times in any point in the game it's drained of energy"? It makes more sense that it was drained of energy because it was used the last phase, than any mumbo jumbo kita will say about "him meeting his win condition" or some shit. Specially how he doesn't even specify any fucking flavor. Surely his "win condition" would tell him if the Tardis is drained or energy or not right? Or at least the flavor would indicate it so | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 16:59 GMT
#2242
On June 29 2013 01:23 kitaman27 wrote: So let me get this straight: geript, xfire, and I are scum buddies. I decide to claim in the thread about the TARDIS, knowing that xfire created it, because outing two scum members is totally worth the one-shot medic protect. When would two scum members be outed? See how no one was outed until I just realized it a little while ago? You already "outed" yourself by fake-claiming Survivor. If you assumed you could play it off (i.e if you assumed nobody would think you are actually mafia, or at least not think too much about how you knew about the TARDIS even if they did), then Xfire would be safe, just as he was until now. Again, specially if you thought geript would be safe as well. xfire decided to claim in the thread that he created the TARDIS role to implicate himself, because why not?! Claiming he created the TARDIS to gain townie points is a good choice yes. He would need to do so at some point wouldn't he? Specially if sk8 said something like "hey guys? Like...Xfire made my role and he created the TARDIS and he hasn't said anything about it....just so you know" Kurumi is lying about the TARDIS getting drained because he likes to troll town and my role has nothing to do with the TARDIS. That can be explained by a hidden "cooldown" effect being given to the TARDIS by either of these reasons: 1)Xfire gave that indication to the hosts, but didn't put it in the role PM (I did this a lot with the role I gave to Xfire, and I did it in the last PTP I played) 2)Hosts nerfed it without anybody realizing it Geript decides to use his day vig power on myself, knowing that I have the bus drive ability and can bus the results of the vote to any player, but rather than challenging someone like Sk8r and busing a shot from Sk8r to BC anonymously, he wants to shoot his scum buddy and implicate the two of us even more. lol you fucking kidding me? Because geript challenging Sk8 out of nowhere wouldn't be scummy at all, yeah sure. Also, until people figured it out (because you 2 were scummy as fuck in their eyes), geript was like "confirmed town" because of that. Well, at least I personally fell for it, since there'd be no reason for scum geript to randomly choose to kill you in MK. Doing what he did, geript: -Killed a townie of his choice -Gave him townie points because he used his day vig on claimed anti-town instead of a townie -Confused the hell out of town, both on the MK thing and Dandel dying Yeah, because those aren't enough reasons to do that shit... | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 17:07 GMT
#2244
On June 29 2013 01:55 Crossfire99 wrote: I posted 2 minutes before bc said that meapak was mafia. I can also tell you that there were 30 minutes to the flip. There is more then enough time for something to be done if i had the tardis. But you're right kita had it. There is no reason for kita to draw attention to the tardis if we were scum together because i could have gotten sk8r to give it to me quietly. Then meapak doesn't die to bc. Therefore kita and i aren't the same alignment. If i was scum, why would i let a non scum player ask for the tardis when I could have gotten it myself. On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote: Because of all of this i think kita is actually a survivor now because i don't see scum being told about the TARDIS, which means austin must be scum with geript and xata. Ugh i need to look over austin's filter and think about thsi. So kita is 3P, and you are not the same alignment as kita? Thank god! This means we don't have 2 survivors! Unfortunately, it still means you can be scum (hint: scum have different alignment than 3P) Also maybe you have slipped there that you are treating kita as scum (with the "I'm not the same alignment as him" comment and the next one), when you specifically said you think he's 3P now | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 17:09 GMT
#2245
Therefore, Xfire, please choose option (3) (Use Rubber Duck). You'll gain votethief which I don't like scum to have, but at least you won't have bus driver so we can kill kita tonight. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 17:15 GMT
#2248
On June 29 2013 01:48 gonzaw wrote: Speaking of which, would you mind explaining that "Xata claimed he wasn't RBed" thing? Please explain On June 29 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: It might be the confidence is a massive bluff and the TARDIS can't be used anymore...? I don't know if that's a risk we can take. Sk8 and SnB fucked us over so hard. If it was just 'used twice--->gets drained' then why wouldn't it have been in Sk8's role PM? I can't see hosts nerfing something and not telling the guy who HAS the fucking role. Why isn't it possible? IF Xfire told them not to tell him that it's possible. If the hosts wanted to nerf the role without altering the role PM it's possible. From what I gather, it's not that sk8 is the "master of the tardis", he's just a guy that has the TARDIS at the beginning of the game, thus he would get the same info as any other player that gets the TARDIS. If Xfire/hosts don't want those players to know that info about the TARDIS, then they wouldn't want sk8 to know either. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 17:23 GMT
#2250
On June 29 2013 02:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 02:07 gonzaw wrote: On June 29 2013 01:55 Crossfire99 wrote: I posted 2 minutes before bc said that meapak was mafia. I can also tell you that there were 30 minutes to the flip. There is more then enough time for something to be done if i had the tardis. But you're right kita had it. There is no reason for kita to draw attention to the tardis if we were scum together because i could have gotten sk8r to give it to me quietly. Then meapak doesn't die to bc. Therefore kita and i aren't the same alignment. If i was scum, why would i let a non scum player ask for the tardis when I could have gotten it myself. On June 29 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote: Because of all of this i think kita is actually a survivor now because i don't see scum being told about the TARDIS, which means austin must be scum with geript and xata. Ugh i need to look over austin's filter and think about thsi. So kita is 3P, and you are not the same alignment as kita? Thank god! This means we don't have 2 survivors! Unfortunately, it still means you can be scum (hint: scum have different alignment than 3P) Also maybe you have slipped there that you are treating kita as scum (with the "I'm not the same alignment as him" comment and the next one), when you specifically said you think he's 3P now Ugh. I don't know what i can do to convince you guys i'm not scum. How about this? Whatever happened to the role Zeph created, the mason dayvig role that has to have been used day 1 to kill solstice. We have all our dayvigs accounted for day 2. We know that I and austin can't be the mason dayvig role, so who has it? xata or kita? One of them is going to kill us again today, because they will have been recharged. P.S austin either lied or mistakenly said that zeph created meapak's role. I'm thinking lied because i believe kita's third party claim because i don't see him knowing about the TARDIS unless he's third party because I know I'm town. Also, just got word that roleblocks give notifications and the hosts got my action last night, so that means xata is lying which means he's scum trying to frame me. Whatever happened to the role Zeph created, the mason dayvig role that has to have been used day 1 to kill solstice Meapaks' role is a mason and has a day vig bullet Granted, MZ would have NEEDED to post in the thread to kill him, so it would have been silently. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 17:24 GMT
#2251
These are the only possible configuration of players+alignments: (Read Xfire's post here to figure out why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=113#2247 ) Option 1: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is scum Xatalos is scum Option 2: kita is scum Xfire is scum Austin is town Xatalos is town So choose people! I'll take bets! So, Austin+Xata you should like make a case on kita and Xfire being scumbuddies and shit (although I kind of already did it for you) Xfire, make a case for Austin+Xata being scumbuddies. Please explain Xata's tunnel on austin, and all the shit that needs to be explained. Disclaimer: I'm assuming there are either 3 scum and 1 3P, or 4 scum. If it's not actually like that the above options may differ....and if it's not actually like that fuck the system dear god | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 17:26 GMT
#2252
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 17:30 GMT
#2254
Disclaimer: I'm assuming there are either 4 scum and 1 3P, or 4 scum. If it's not actually like that the above options may differ....and if it's not actually like that fuck the system dear god If option 1 is the true case...I don't know if there is only just 3 scum and 1 3P, in which case only 1 of austin/Xata is scum. Discuss | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 17:32 GMT
#2255
Option 1.0: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is scum Xatalos is scum Option 1.1: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is town Xatalos is scum Option 1.2: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is scum Xatalos is town Option 2: kita is scum Xfire is scum Austin is town Xatalos is town | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 17:34 GMT
#2256
Dandel, WOS, BC, let's discuss this shit. Suddenly the game got a lot more interesting didn't it? I can't believe we figured all this shit out just because of that "obvious" detail about kita nobody noticed lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 17:36 GMT
#2263
On June 29 2013 02:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Also, just got word that roleblocks give notifications and the hosts got my action last night, so that means xata is lying which means he's scum trying to frame me. For fucks sake, this means Xfire and Xata can't be town so I have to take away one of the options. Possible Scumteams, V3.0: Option 1: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is scum Xatalos is scum Option 2: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is town Xatalos is scum Option 3: kita is scum Xfire is scum Austin is town Xatalos is town ONLY USE THESE (Ignore the previous ones) | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 17:39 GMT
#2267
On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote: This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 17:44 GMT
#2272
On June 29 2013 02:38 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 02:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Ugh. I don't know what i can do to convince you guys i'm not scum. How about this? Whatever happened to the role Zeph created, the mason dayvig role that has to have been used day 1 to kill solstice. We have all our dayvigs accounted for day 2. We know that I and austin can't be the mason dayvig role, so who has it? xata or kita? One of them is going to kill us again today, because they will have been recharged. P.S austin either lied or mistakenly said that zeph created meapak's role. I'm thinking lied because i believe kita's third party claim because i don't see him knowing about the TARDIS unless he's third party because I know I'm town. I went back to look because of this. Crossfire is right here, I think. I'm either mistaken or we've got some similar roles running around: Meapak's role involved masons and a vig shot + Show Spoiler + You are Rose Tyler! You are a capable and resourceful companion to the Doctor. Throughout your journeys together, you have proven capable of taking the initiative and defusing difficult situations on your own. As such, your own influence is considerable, and you are bound and determined to get people talking. During the day phase, you may PM the host with the names of two players. These two players will then be masoned for the following night phase. Rose Tyler will have read only access to the mason QT, and the masoned players will not be directly told that there is someone observing. At any point in the game, you may permanently give up this power and assume the form of 'the Bad Wolf' by typing ##gaze into the Heart of the TARDIS in thread. The Bad Wolf means business. In the form of 'the Bad Wolf,' you become a dealer of death, and gain one vigilante bullet. This bullet can be used at any time. If used during the day, the Bad Wolf must type ##divide atoms (target) in thread to perform the shot. If used at night, the shot functions as a typical vigilante shot. If the shot is targeted at the Doctor, 'the Bad Wolf' instead deals 1KP to herself. Note to hosts: This is my first PTP so I'm not sure if this is broken as hell. I wanted to include the Bad Wolf storyline for Rose, but it's hard to make this anything other than a KP dealing role. So I ended up with what is essentially a vigilante with flair...a gun with a little bit of extra investigative/manipulative power. You win with The Alliance On June 24 2013 08:06 Zephirdd wrote: The wording of my role is Show nested quote + You can eat a person during day time anonymously, but you need a day to enjoy the meal. I made an addendum that it's a normal dayvig that needs a day to recharge. so yeah, it's instant(or as soon as the host sees it). I might be wrong however. It is possible that there is another dayvig role. The role is Madam Vastra. also, anonymous dayvigs are fun, what's the issue? :D On June 25 2013 06:04 Zephirdd wrote: I'm pretty sure he is responsible for solstice's death. When I mention that I created a mason role, he mentions that he knows who created his role => I created his role => he the anonymous dayvig On June 25 2013 06:23 Zephirdd wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: I knew it when I saw you fishing early, hence why I asked the thread if its more likely to be from a town or scum perspective. My role is dorium maldovar, some headless monk thing. I die but ILL NEVER STOP TALKING Geript care to confirm? I was fishing for the mason-dayvig because it seems nobody else made a role that could have shot solstice. Also anyone masoned with this guy is in serious danger today. Simply put, I made the role in a way that you don't want to keep your mason alive, hence it being a dayvig as well. Meapak didn't have the language Zephirdd used, so it's possible we had TWO people create mason + vigi roles? Either the hosts nerfed Zephir's role, changed it slightly (maybe because MZ was scum and so the name/powers didn't quite line up?), or ... two masons/vigis. Has anyone been masoned and not spoken up? Besides...whatever it was N1, gonzaw and someone? We DO know, however, that whether there's only one mason/vigi or two (MZ + Zephir's role recipient), MZ did not kill solstice on D1, as his dayvigi needs to be activated in thread. So we're still short the identity of whoever shot solstice D1, and what they used to do so. ALL THE REST OF THIS CRAP IS CONFUSING. DOES THE MAGICAL EWOK WHISTLE NOT SOLVE THE GAME AND WORLD HUNGER SIMULTANEOUSLY? Hmm, therefore either Xata or kita have that role most likely Kita never really did anything, so it's possible We never got confirmation about Xata's "votethief" either. I mean, conveniently he used it on WOS on N1 and it conveniently "didn't work". He got RBed last night so he couldn't have shown us it either (although unless he's scumbuddies with Xfire he wouldn't have known Xfire would claim to RB him, so what would he have done if Xfire didn't RB him?) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 17:45 GMT
#2274
On June 29 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 02:39 gonzaw wrote: On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote: This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit We could win faster, but risk a lot of shit relying on kita not playing anti-town as fuck, which we can't rely on. He needs to die. We can slow-roll this game, no problem. I see no need to rush it. You seem to have forgotten scum have TARDIS, and apparently this super Day-vig thing from Zepphirds role, and have a night KP, and may have bus drivers all over the place. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 17:49 GMT
#2280
On June 29 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 02:39 gonzaw wrote: On June 29 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 29 2013 02:36 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 29 2013 02:35 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 29 2013 02:35 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 29 2013 02:34 Dandel Ion wrote: On June 29 2013 02:26 gonzaw wrote: This is important, because if we figure out Option 1 is real, then BC shouldn't shoot kita tonight, but rather Austin/Xata No, the shot needs to be on kita either way. Why? So we don't have to waste a lynch on him. We should rather kill scum than a survivor. He's scum-aligned survivor even if he is that, so it doesn't matter. If we kill kita but not all scum, then the game still goes on If we kill all scum but not kita, then we already win the game If we figure out kita is indeed 3P, then we HAVE to shoot Xatalos instead (check the options above), we could win the game faster. Unless you believe scum-aligned-survivor kita has an ability that can wreck town shit He's already BEEN wrecking town shit. What you guys don't seem to understand is that he contradicted himself with his claim about 3P survivor. He claimed to want to play with town to win, and he could have done so, but instead he kills one of us, then claiming he was worried that if we were in a good position we'd have room to lynch him so he was trying to force LYLO. IF HE WAS PLAYING WITH/FOR US WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE LYNCH HIM FOR NO REASON? Just to fuck him over and win solely as town? Makes no sense. Kita is scum, and that's all there is to it. There is enough hidden role bullshit flying around that his knowledge of the TARDIS can be explained through other means, ie masoning. If so then Xfire confirmed scum to you, right? The only way a mason thing could have anything to do with this is if kita was masoned with either sk8 or Xfire. Nobody claimed shit, so it's obvious it doesn't really matter (also I think Zepphird said his role would get masoned with his target, not that his role could choose 2 players to mason; that was MZ's role) Hmm..I may have missed something, if you want re-check those "options for scumteam" thing above. Because of Xfire's claim, At the very least 1 of Xfire or Xata is scum. Because of the above, if kita is scum then Xfire is scum, if Xfire is town kita is 3P survivor. Everything else is concluded using those 2. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 28 2013 18:02 GMT
#2291
On June 29 2013 02:41 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 01:34 gonzaw wrote: You are 3P survivor, why do you give a shit what we think of Xfire if you win either way? Why would you get nervous just because some townie is speculating about some random players you SHOULDNT care about? You havent' posted ANY interesting thing at all until right now, yet a random townie accuses some other random townie/scum and suddenly you come out of nowhere to defend him? Huh kita? Mind explaining that to me? lol I'm defending myself, not xfire. We aren't scum buddies. We've been calling you scum ever since this day started, so why weren't you defending yourself before, huh? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:04 GMT
#2293
On June 29 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote: Checked s0Lstice's D1 filter. Didn't see anything glaring saying "KITA MASONED ME," in either a doctored quote within a quote or first letters or anything else. At one point he and kita argue in thread, just between the two of them - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 04:31 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 04:22 kitaman27 wrote: On June 24 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote: On June 24 2013 04:18 kitaman27 wrote: On June 24 2013 04:17 s0Lstice wrote: On June 24 2013 04:13 kitaman27 wrote: On June 24 2013 04:09 s0Lstice wrote: Why the hell would I try to explain what happened to the roleblocker? I can make up a bunch of scenarios where the two of them can be either alignment based on what happened with the roleblocker, and not have any idea which is more likely, because its flippin PTP. I'm reading them like I'm not in PTP...like I said before, the old fashioned way. I kinda think you didn't even read my filter dude, because I've been over this. So it is your opinion that a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, but will not claim because he wants to see Sk8r burn at the stake? Or that a mafia roleblocker saved Sk9r because he wanted to lynch him rather than vig him? oh this is fun ...or one of the million lurkers we have has an automatic dayvig shutdown and hasn't been around to say anything about it or isn't caring/is checked out to the point that they don't realize that information would be pertinant right now? Like Xfire? your focus on this is silly So you're saying that there was a town dayblocker that happened to be around in time to save Sk8r, but hasn't returned in the thread since? That's a silly explanation. No, that the block was a passive ability that doesn't require any attention from the player at all to go through. I already outlined a possibility like this is my filter. Are you scum kita? You claimed to have just read me. Nope, are you omgusing me already just because I've shared a scum read on on you? How does it make sense for a player to own a passive "roleblock all vig shots" and not comment that they blocked the shots. Keep in mind it would require TWO people to remain silence since the role creator would also know of the passive block. I can't see how you can think this is the most likely scenario. yea dude fix your quote tags it would not require two people. Is BC lying when he said he got the role he created? this discussion we are having is really dumb. the point is we can't know what happened with the actions surrounding the shot because we don't do what actions are in the game and what governs them. literally any question you can ask me about this can be answered by that statement. you can't even get to what is 'likely' and what isn't, because you have to deal with 'plausible' first, and we don't know what's plausible until we get concrete evidence on the roles. Based on that, seems kind of unlikely that kita was masoned to solstice, as they could have just had that spat in mason chat? Gonzaw. Does the ewok whistle help narrow down the options? Dunno if BC needs to take his risk now or whatever, but there are a LOT of options here, and if the whistle helps out, we should use it or save some of the speculation for after it gets used. The vig shot certainly helps Other stuff is more investigative, like a certain sort of listcheck and other shit. Then there's another stuff I've discussed with BC before (regarding geript's MK thing). Don't really know how anything else (other than vig shot) will be useful though. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:05 GMT
#2294
On June 29 2013 03:03 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw should i choose dandel instead of bc for austin's thing tonight so bc can still use his role tonight? i didnt send the pm yet How should I know? BC can still use his role even if austin were to give him powers right? So what's the difference? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:07 GMT
#2297
Austin, who of Xfire and Xatalos is scum and why now | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:14 GMT
#2299
On June 29 2013 02:51 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 02:48 Dandel Ion wrote: A busdriver could be good. In conjunction with the medic we can protect both BC and gonzo. Problem is coordinating it is impossible, so it's not all that useful in practice. i can coordinate with gonzo using my role info lol. gonzaw should i choose dandel instead of bc for austin's thing tonight so bc can still use his role tonight? i didnt send the pm yet I'm not giving you bus driver if you are scum Want to prove to me you are town? Make a good case against Xata then, and maybe austin it you think he's scum as well | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:18 GMT
#2302
If Xata were the most pro-town motherfucker around for instance then Xfire attempting to make a case on him would make him fuck up. If you want YOU make the case instead I just want to be convinced which one of them is scum and which one town, either from themselves or someone else (I could read their filters I guess...but I'm not in the mood to do that since I've done so already). Mostly I want them to do some shit, if everybody is lazy as fuck and nobody does shit then we are getting nowhere Also maybe BC could just shoot kita right now. Meh I just don't want it to fail, but whatever. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:29 GMT
#2307
On June 29 2013 03:26 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 03:18 gonzaw wrote: So nobody makes any cases or even looks at people's filters? If Xata were the most pro-town motherfucker around for instance then Xfire attempting to make a case on him would make him fuck up. If you want YOU make the case instead I just want to be convinced which one of them is scum and which one town, either from themselves or someone else (I could read their filters I guess...but I'm not in the mood to do that since I've done so already). Mostly I want them to do some shit, if everybody is lazy as fuck and nobody does shit then we are getting nowhere Also maybe BC could just shoot kita right now. Meh I just don't want it to fail, but whatever. Everyone trying to look town by not making cases after they've been told to make cases since clearly only scum would just sheep what they are told to do to look town. #sickstrats lol On June 29 2013 03:24 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Didn't Xata claim vote thief? (or forced vote or whatever) Yeah, but he's never done it. Actually he said he was going to do it last night, but I roleblocked him, which he lied about. Additionally it would make sense as him for scum to say he was going to do it to geript who is his scum buddy because then he will be "forced" to vote for kita because I think xata is lying about his role and can't do what he says he can. Hmm...didn't think of that. At one point he was "sure" to make it Xfire -> kitaman though, right? Or you say that whole "Guys! geript and kita are scumbuddies I will 'force' geript to vote kita tomorrow" thing was completely planned then? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:41 GMT
#2315
On June 29 2013 03:29 Dandel Ion wrote: wait, xata said he wasn't rb'd right? then it's easy, he's scum if he dont have no stolen vote. show them votes xata Xata's role gives someone a PM that basically tells them "would you kindly vote this guy?" He gave it to geript, confirmed scum We have no way to know if geript actually got it since he'd most likely tell us anything to further his agenda. Thus, if Xata is scum with geript, geript can vote kita at any point and Xata will be "see? geript was forced to vote kita!" when in fact they coordinated that in their scum QTs. The "Xata has scummy role that can't be confirmed we know little about, and almost every role is already known and stuff is missing, therefore he's scum" theory makes more sense maybe. But if that's the case, then kita is 3P? Then why is he so scum-favored? ... WAIT A MINUTE. Check this out:
What if, what if what geript said is true? I mean, remember that point I made: On N1 kita was telling the truth This means that when he said "the role I made can protect me tonight" might be true. Kita made geript's role Therefore it's possible geript can ACTUALLY protect kita at any time or something (maybe gives him a bulletproof vest) This is an incentive for kita to "join" scum, because scum will PROTECT HIM. Not only that, maybe this is why scum told kita to "act like he's scum" (basically doing what he's doing now, which may include "incriminating" Xfire by waffling around). Why? Because then townies would try lynching/shooting kita, who would be protected because of geript's role (maybe it protects from lynch as well I dunno) Town would waste 1 KP/lynch, and scum would be one step closer to victory Specially since they would have kita's vote, on top of their own GIVE ME MY FUCKING PULITZER | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:45 GMT
#2316
Remember when Zepphird claimed he made that dayvig+mason role? Remember how he died so there was nobody alive to prove Zepphird made Xata's role? Also, I find it hard to believe Xata would create such a shitty role. A votethief...not only that, a BAD VOTE THIEF (why? Because it forces you to decide who to vote BEFORE THE DAY PHASE, a normal vote thief allows you to steal the vote in the middle of the day to whoever you want). Why would Xata create a nerfed votethief? Then not be completely frustrated when he gets it himself (like I was frustrated when I realized my role was so shit)? Answer: He wouldn't Xatalos is scum kita is invincible 3P survivor Right now the TARDIS is most likely out of order or something SO BC; if you can do me the favor, please shoot Xata before he comes back and uses his day vig bullet GG no re | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:50 GMT
#2318
I'll give you the complete role list now: Xfire -> Sk8 Sk8 -> gonzaw gonzaw -> Xfire austin -> austin BC -> BC Xatalos -> kitaman kitaman -> geript geript -> WOS WOS -> Dandel Dandel -> Zephirdd Zephirdd -> Xatalos Kurumi -> strongandbig strongandbig -> ?? Acrofales -> s0lstice s0lstice -> ?? Meapak_Ziphh -> ?? MZ made the role of either Kurumi or Acro solstice made the role of either Kurumi, Acro or MZ SNB made the role of either Kurumi, Acro or MZ | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 18:54 GMT
#2320
On June 29 2013 03:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah or it's simply geript-Xata-MZ-kita scum team No because scum kita has no way to know about how TARDIS works if town sk8 and town Xfire never told him. Although....since Xatalos made kita's role, kita could have a role like this: You can check the role of any player at the day phase Maybe he used that check on sk8 and figured out the Tardis shit Maybe he did it on sk8 because sk8 was talking so much about how he could confirm everybody as town, thus scum may have wanted to know wtf that was about. As soon as kita got confirmation about the tardis on N1, scum talked a lot in scum QT about what to do, they decided to have kita claim the "give me the tardis!" thing (which was NOT early N1, but kind of late) and play along Certainly possible. I mean, kita hasn't done shit with his role yet, therefore it's unlikely it's aggressive, it may have been investigative So maybe this IS what actually happened. .....but well my "Xata PMed kita" thing makes sense as well Mostly because kita "claimed" geript could protect him at night and shit, if geript's role actually does that then it doesn't make much sense for scum kita to say that (unless scum made that part up so we think geript can protect kita) | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:02 GMT
#2323
But yes. BC, you can shoot Xata who is like 99% scum by now. Every piece in the board fits with him being mafia, not so much him being town. Alternatively shoot kita. However I'm wary of doing that in case he really has protection from geript. Also any of them can have the TARDIS so the TARDIS doesn't matter to decide your shot. Hey Xfire, so yes, keep the Rubber Duck, and choose option (1) I'm not so sure what you can choose tonight. You already used the Gun which would have allowed you to get the "Best Ending" and a super awesome thing that could have won us the game. Hmm, I'll have to think about it. But one thing is for sure: Once you get the item for the Ending of the story, DONT CLAIM WHAT IT DOES. I know what it does, you know what it does, nobody else needs to know so (specially with the exact items you could get). Once the time comes we can discuss what to do with it if you want | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:05 GMT
#2324
...volunteers? Here are the conclusions though: 1) If kita is scum, he has some sort of "rolecheck" ability he used on Sk8 on D1/N1 2) If kita is 3P, then he most likely was acting as a survivor until his claim, when he was contacted by scum mason Xata, and then started acting like scum | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:08 GMT
#2326
...austin, did you choose "vig" in some choices? I want both Medic/Vig and gonzaw/BC to be chosen just like yesterday. ...I think we might need that vig ability instead. Hmm...although it's kind of a risk. BIG RISK. It has something to do with an ability of the EWW. Damn why didn't I make that ability more OP Can I change an ability of the Ewok Whisperer Whistle after inventing it? >_> I....I just didn't balance it correctly <_< Surely you can understand, right hosts? -_- | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:08 GMT
#2327
On June 29 2013 04:07 Dandel Ion wrote: Not me. WOS then Come on WOS! I found the perfect activity for a tree stump! Tree stumps love to read and analyze shit right? THIS IS THE JOB FOR YOU | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:14 GMT
#2331
..wait, in what scenario are we in? 5v3, 4v3 or 6v3? Can we just not use any night action at all perhaps and lynch every scum in succession and that's it? Maybe I'm getting too worried about finishing this fast Xata is a threat for sure, he should die before he can use his day vig. after that we can. ....I have ANOTHER IDEA BC; as soon as you get here use Kna Naa Then we all vote to lynch Xatalos. After that scum will likely have just 1 nightly KP and nothing else Then we lynch geript and kita in succession BUt this can only work if BC gets here before Xatalos | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:15 GMT
#2332
Read that ability correctly, and read what I said about Xata and his role. You know this is the correct way to do this, we will win 99% We don't even need to use a vig tonight with that (using vig might make it so scum bus it into a townie). | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:18 GMT
#2333
First, I'll assume geript's role is useless for now, or has no KP at least The question is: Are you guys afraid kita can have a hidden KP or something? If the answer is yes, after BC uses Kna Kna we lynch kita, then I'll tell you guys what to do tonight If the answer is no, after BC uses Kna Kna we lynch Xatalos, then we proceed normally lynching geript+kita | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:18 GMT
#2335
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gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:24 GMT
#2338
...hmm, I am worried about additional scum KP though (Xata's day vig for instance). Maybe I'm getting too excited yes, you guys tell me Also if kita is actually scum then my "role list" thing may differ (since someone else could have created kita's role, like snb maybe, and Xatalos could have made MZ's role for instance) | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:29 GMT
#2340
On June 29 2013 04:25 kitaman27 wrote: I'd like to put this out there: What if BC shot Meapak and provided a red check on geript, just to gain town cred and never get suspected? He loves to pull out the wild plans as scum so it is certainly something to consider. Nah Xata scum Another reason: When both austin and BC claimed they made their own roles, Xata didn't even bat an eye If you made your own role, wouldn't you be a little suspicious other 2 players claimed the same? Wouldn't you claim you made your own role as well and see if you could find a liar? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:32 GMT
#2343
I think we are all wrong and he's town yo He just misread his role PM, that's all | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:38 GMT
#2347
On June 29 2013 04:31 kitaman27 wrote: I can't believe I didn't think of this until now. WoS must be a redwood. WOS makes my wood red, if you know what I mean. | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:43 GMT
#2349
On June 29 2013 04:39 geript wrote: Hey. WoS luv tunnel is all mine. Hands off. Besides I thought I gave you redwood snicker doodle. Yes you do! It's just....well...with WOS being a tree stump and all....I just....feel it more, ya know? ....no no no dont' worry wubbywomb! It happens to a lot of scum! It's nothing really. ...if you want we can go see a doctor...but I'm not pushing you or anything I swear! We'll do whatever you want! ...but if you DO want we could go.....yes yes my wobble-gobble don't worry | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:50 GMT
#2351
On June 29 2013 04:48 Crossfire99 wrote: ok gonzaw, i'll search the kitchen (option 1). I also hadn't thought of that day rolecop idea which would explain a lot. Okay. As always, post a transcript of the initial part of the story so I know you chose that option and not another one | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 19:56 GMT
#2354
Can it work as an inventor where you can choose whatever role you want or maybe create one? Or did you send those polls already? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 20:12 GMT
#2364
On June 29 2013 04:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Only reason I say this, is im pretty sure the gun of slots raped zeph day 1 Yes, using it at night is a random risk But you can use it now. We just need to avoid Xata using his day vig...that's all we need to do to win Then I dunno who to lynch first, geript kita or Xata. I'd say Xata in case he doesn't use his day vig and can use it on D4. We don't know kita's role, so his may be dangerous Although geript is the only 100% sure scum... choices choices | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 20:14 GMT
#2367
On June 29 2013 05:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Theres an easy way to explain a ton of this. Gonza, does xfires role include a dayvig shot he could have had for day 1? if not, xat or kita must be scum or both are. No He could have gotten a super day vig with 2 shots on N3 But he can't know because he already used the Empty Gun | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 20:16 GMT
#2369
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gonzaw
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June 28 2013 20:16 GMT
#2370
On June 29 2013 05:16 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2013 05:14 gonzaw wrote: On June 29 2013 05:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Theres an easy way to explain a ton of this. Gonza, does xfires role include a dayvig shot he could have had for day 1? if not, xat or kita must be scum or both are. No He could have gotten a super day vig with 2 shots on N3 But he can't know because he already used the Empty Gun Though it did prove that either xat or I was lying so I think it was a good choice lol. Why didn't he just say he was RBed though? wtf? I never understood that | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 20:21 GMT
#2376
On June 29 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: fuck -_- I can easily confirm who shot sol day 1, but its not the best thing for me to do If you are going to do what I think you are going to do, you can't use the EWW twice (both to shoot and to use whatever you want to use) | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 21:49 GMT
#2444
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gonzaw
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June 28 2013 21:52 GMT
#2446
Also you have to PM the hosts your choice of kill. I don't know with which format since I forgot to include it lololol Maybe PM Sentinel as well? Whatever, I dunno who you gonna shoot anyways. Gotta keep the suspense, brah. inb4 Xata insta-kills me in 5 seconds On June 29 2013 05:48 geript wrote: ##vote Gonzaw Yes wubbywubby! Let's vote each other! I can't live in this world without you, so I'm going to the otherside with you! So I'll just vote you, and you'll vote me. Forever! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 21:54 GMT
#2447
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gonzaw
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June 28 2013 22:01 GMT
#2450
On June 22 2013 11:04 Acrofales wrote: I'm home! Haven't read anything yet, but after umpteen scumgames and a fairly longish break, I finally rolled town! Also, in case this plan hasn't been proposed yet, I think everybody should say what character they made the role for. That way, if someone claims, someone else can back that shit up, or act as a lie detector. What if everybody not only had claimed what character they made the role for, but also had claimed THE WHOLE ROLE? Why didn't we do that? Why are we so stupid? (well at least I am not stupid because my role is step-by-step and I could reveal more info to the guy that has my role if he's scum so I was fine in not claiming that ) | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 22:01 GMT
#2451
On June 29 2013 07:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote: you ruined my fun gonza -_- I'm sorry! I just wanted to see scum die ;_; | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 22:04 GMT
#2453
Don't ever do that to me again BC! My townie heart is weak ;_; | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 22:19 GMT
#2457
Your final choices are not so black and white (for instance choosing between medic and vig or something), they can't really win us the game unless specific stuff happens. So.....I don't really know what you should pick yet. If I don't give you any answer by the time N3 ends, pick Option (1), but that might change Hey Xfire, if I remember correctly, you have 4 items right now, right? Did you get the new item for this phase yet? Crossfire, let's create a method for me to tell you what item you could use without scum knowing: I'll tell you 2 things: 1)A passage of the story 2)A number between 1 and 3 What does this mean? This means that you should check, in your role PM and every new event (both the initial PM of the event, and the PM the host gives you with the answer to your choice), that passage of the story I mentioned. You will use the item you got when you made a choice in that event. In this specific case, you can ignore the number However, if I want you to use an item you had when you started the game, I'll give you a passage that DOESNT EXIST in any event. The number between 1 and 3 will be the item I want you to use (use the number that's on your role PM, use that item). Understood? For example, if I tell you: " You remember where you used to live as well" 3 You should use the item you got in the event from this very day phase If I tell you "Trololololololol" 2 You should use item #2 you got in your role PM Now we can make secret plans and shit | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 22:27 GMT
#2460
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gonzaw
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June 28 2013 22:28 GMT
#2463
At least I think that might have worked better .. That only if the shot doesn't go through or a townie dies (via bus). If kita dies... good job BC! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 23:33 GMT
#2489
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gonzaw
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June 28 2013 23:36 GMT
#2490
+ Show Spoiler + Had you shot Xatalos like I told you to BC everything would have been fine! | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 23:37 GMT
#2491
see you at deadline | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 23:40 GMT
#2492
On June 29 2013 07:42 deconduo wrote: You are Martha Jones the Blackmailer ... THOSE PARENTHESIS ARENT CLOSED, DO YOU HAVE NO SHAME? | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 23:47 GMT
#2494
I just PMed deconduo to change my alignment to Survivor Hope it is formalized soon | ||
gonzaw
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June 28 2013 23:51 GMT
#2496
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gonzaw
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June 28 2013 23:54 GMT
#2497
Just...finish me already, have mercy | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 00:04 GMT
#2498
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gonzaw
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June 29 2013 00:05 GMT
#2499
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gonzaw
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June 29 2013 02:27 GMT
#2500
##Unvote: geript ##Vote: kita | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 02:28 GMT
#2502
So he's as confirmed scum as geript, but he has the hidden day vigs and shit so is more of a threat (plus .... i just want to kill him...no offense dude) | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 02:31 GMT
#2504
Do you want kita to live one more cycle? The only argument I could really understand is that now we know he has Zepphird's role thus know what he can and can't do, while we don't know 100% what geript's role can do (since kita made it) ....but I don't give a fuck about that | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 02:32 GMT
#2505
Don't worry wubbywub! I'm going to save you! | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 02:35 GMT
#2506
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gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:15 GMT
#2527
On June 30 2013 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Whose role was that that slowly consumes somebody over a day? I forget. Either way I feel like we done. kita used his day vig fuck you kita why didn't you kill me? | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:16 GMT
#2528
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gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:16 GMT
#2529
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gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:18 GMT
#2531
geript has useless mortal kombat kita is as confirmed scum as geript, because of that chart I made yesterday | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:23 GMT
#2533
##Unvote ##Vote: geript | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:27 GMT
#2534
On June 30 2013 02:27 Crossfire99 wrote: Gonzaw, you gonna be around an hour or two before the deadline? I need to talk to you. Yes | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:28 GMT
#2535
On June 30 2013 03:02 kitaman27 wrote: Hate to break it to you guys, but I'm still the survivor. With only six votes remaining, it requiring 4 votes for a majority, and I'm still getting lynched, shouldn't some red lights be going off? WOS can vote if he kills himself If it's 4v3 right now, WOS can vote to kill a scum, but sacrifice himself That means it will be 3v2 tonight We have medics, apparently RBs and shit, while scum only have 1 KP It's entirely possible (actually, it's what's happening right now) that hosts aren't ending the game yet because we can still get to 3v2 in D4 | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:30 GMT
#2536
Xfire you better choose fucking option (3) right now | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:31 GMT
#2537
On June 30 2013 04:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: In this game we have ... Austin as confirmed town ... ??? | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:32 GMT
#2538
On June 30 2013 04:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Who was it who had the devouring over the course of a day power? I'll vote around deadline if it becomes necessary; I'd rather not kill myself just yet. I appreciate that. Ill put it to you this way. If geript flips with the day vig shot we already know of (mortal combat) and was allowed a second unnanounced day vig shot we know kita is the third party survivor. If he flips with only his one KP. We know kita shot sol, and gonza just shot dandel *sigh* | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 19:34 GMT
#2539
So either you die and geript dies, or both of you live. Your choice, it will happen 100% | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:44 GMT
#2545
On June 30 2013 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: -_- means we need xfire to swap back over. Yeah, it'll be kind of hard to get scum to vote for their scumbuddies. You could try though. Ask very nicely perhaps? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:45 GMT
#2546
On June 30 2013 04:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gonza, do you think the mods would be bastard enough to let WoS have a gun as well as a "free life role" that allows him to avoid having to vote around lynches? ....wat? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:49 GMT
#2548
....yeah we are dead, unless you guys want to kill Xfire instead right now. If he's scum (like he is) then we already lost Here, I'll tell you the items he ALREADY HAS:
Here is the stuff he can get (or already got) this day phase, which he already knows how to do so because of all the previous talk:
He'll just use bus driver tonight on himself and whoever they want to kill (so you can't RB him), and will use vote thief tomorrow to ensure we lose even in a 3v2 or 4v3 situation. So yeah.... ##Unvote ##Vote: Xfire | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:50 GMT
#2552
On June 30 2013 04:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 04:45 gonzaw wrote: On June 30 2013 04:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gonza, do you think the mods would be bastard enough to let WoS have a gun as well as a "free life role" that allows him to avoid having to vote around lynches? ....wat? The shot on Sol has no shooter. How do we know? Look at the flavour of kills. We know zephs role just killed dandel (consumed) Sol was shot. You serious? Sol was killed with the same shit, I don't give a fuck about flavor. You think kita WOULDNT have used his "devourer" on D1 then? Doesn't matter, if we don't kill Xfire right now we 100% lose. Do whatever you want to do with that info | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:51 GMT
#2554
On June 30 2013 04:50 Crossfire99 wrote: i will vote whoever you want me to please vote yourself kthxbye anyways im off to eat some shit | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:53 GMT
#2557
On June 30 2013 04:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HOW DOES KILLING XFIRE MEAN ANYTHING? I can roleblock him you tard. HE CAN BUS HIMSELF WITH ANYBODY ALIVE YOU TARD | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:53 GMT
#2558
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:55 GMT
#2564
On June 30 2013 04:50 Crossfire99 wrote: cause i'm town On June 29 2013 02:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Also, just got word that roleblocks give notifications and the hosts got my action last night, so that means xata is lying which means he's scum trying to frame me. On June 28 2013 18:24 Xatalos wrote: This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game? On June 29 2013 07:42 deconduo wrote: Xatalos as Martha Jones has been mobbed to death by E'woks. You win with The Alliance Seems legit brah | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:57 GMT
#2565
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 19:58 GMT
#2567
On June 30 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 04:53 gonzaw wrote: I assume if you Bus yourself, attempts to RB you RB your target instead In my experience, RB's go through first. Even if that was the case, then kita carries the scum kill and we end with 2v2 or 3v3 | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:00 GMT
#2572
Xata visisted geript Speaking of which: On June 27 2013 07:49 Xatalos wrote: You can target any one player once every night. Your target will receive this PM once the day begins: You are now being blackmailed. You must vote for [player name] during the following day. If you do not vote according to this instruction, you will die once the voting closes, but your vote will count regardless of its target. You can use this ability by sending a PM to the host with the following content at any point during a night: [Player 1] is forced to vote for Player 2] On June 28 2013 01:15 Xatalos wrote: And so: geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27 Xata wasn't lying nor was RBed, so if we want to kill kitaman right now we can because geript is forced to vote him as well. This means WOS doesn't need to die since he doesn't have to vote. But Xfire will still have votethief/pardoner tomorrow Actually Xfire: CHOOSE OPTION 2 If you choose anything else (this is the mason thing) then you are confirmed scum (to everybody else at least). | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:03 GMT
#2576
On June 30 2013 05:00 Crossfire99 wrote: than the hosts screwed up or xata missed the pm. idk. sent said my action was in the spreadsheet. Hosts, are you the incredible fucktards that Xfire is making you out to be? I seriously doubt so | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:05 GMT
#2579
On June 30 2013 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Could xfire ever have had a roleblock? RB is the initial item he has.. Yeah, if he didn't RB anybody last night then he still has the RB ability BC, check that other shit out, geript is FORCED to vote kita, so we can kill kita without WOS sacrificing himself, so it'll be 4v2 tonight. Stop being dense, the sol kill was kita, there's basically no difference in killing kita or geript, but we need WOS to die for geript to die (since Xfire won't change his vote...I mean....see how he's not changing his vote?) and kita will unvote geript right away Yes lets do it ##Unvote ##Vote: kitaman | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:08 GMT
#2584
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:10 GMT
#2586
On June 30 2013 05:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: well, heres the state of affairs. Either gonza is scum (well played if you are) Or mafia team is as followed WoS (yes im being serious here) Kita Geript Meapak. Are you scum bc? wtf are you on about? Like seriously, I may start to believe you are scum somehow, this seems like awful trolling (it could make sense if you used th shot on Xata directly and not kita, specially if the TARDIS doesn't actually work) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:11 GMT
#2590
On June 30 2013 05:10 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:08 gonzaw wrote: Xfire, so what was that you wanted to talk to me about huh? Well since you assume I'm scum. I don't think you will listen to me, but I basically didn't want to choose option 1 because I think we will lose if i choose it. arggh fuck I don't give a shit anymore, you may be scum, bc may be scum, fuck let's just kill kita: austin/BC please vote kita. On June 30 2013 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:05 gonzaw wrote: BC, check that other shit out, geript is FORCED to vote kita, so we can kill kita without WOS sacrificing himself, so it'll be 4v2 tonight. geript has the protective role that I made him, won't work. Yeah a "protective" role that makes you invincible to lynches Like hell I'm going to believe that | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 20:12 GMT
#2591
On June 30 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gonza, why do we have to kill kita right now if he just used his day vig? It takes a full day to reuse itself BECAUSE WE CANT KILL ANYBODY ELSE WOS DOESNT HAVE A VOTE OMG BC IS SCUM OMG | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:13 GMT
#2595
On June 30 2013 05:10 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: On June 30 2013 05:03 gonzaw wrote: On June 30 2013 05:00 Crossfire99 wrote: than the hosts screwed up or xata missed the pm. idk. sent said my action was in the spreadsheet. Hosts, are you the incredible fucktards that Xfire is making you out to be? I seriously doubt so We may change the rules in our infinite wisdom But yeah Xatalos did get roleblocked. Told you guys i wasn't lying. HOLY FUCKING SHIT HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO PLAY LIKE THIASD AAWDAWHDUIASHDAUDUASDSA Xfire, BC is scum, he shot Xatalos directly (the TARDIS doesn't work anymore, makes sense since it was drained of energy when Kurumi had it) He is saying WOS is scum for no reason so he is justified in not voting kitaman (perhaps?) Or maybe not...I dunno nothing makes sense The only thing I know is that if WOS is town (which he is 99%) then kitaman is THE ONLY SCUM WE CAN KILL TODAY without losing the game basically | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:14 GMT
#2597
On June 30 2013 05:13 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:11 gonzaw wrote: On June 30 2013 05:10 Crossfire99 wrote: On June 30 2013 05:08 gonzaw wrote: Xfire, so what was that you wanted to talk to me about huh? Well since you assume I'm scum. I don't think you will listen to me, but I basically didn't want to choose option 1 because I think we will lose if i choose it. arggh fuck I don't give a shit anymore, you may be scum, bc may be scum, fuck let's just kill kita: austin/BC please vote kita. On June 30 2013 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: On June 30 2013 05:05 gonzaw wrote: BC, check that other shit out, geript is FORCED to vote kita, so we can kill kita without WOS sacrificing himself, so it'll be 4v2 tonight. geript has the protective role that I made him, won't work. Yeah a "protective" role that makes you invincible to lynches Like hell I'm going to believe that Xata's role deals a kp if you don't comply. Anyways, he was roleblocked. oh yeah | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 20:14 GMT
#2599
##Unvote You guys tell me who to vote, im going to eat | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:16 GMT
#2600
If Sk8 is town, if you are town, if kita's role is the one Zepphird made (and Zepphird never made any mention about the TARDIS in it), how in hell could scum kita possibly know about the TARDIS back in N1? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:19 GMT
#2605
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:20 GMT
#2609
On June 30 2013 05:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Only explanation is that For some fucked up reason, WoS is a mafia treestump or you are red. Take your pick gonza. Please explain this BC | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 20:22 GMT
#2611
On June 30 2013 05:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also gonza, what is your rolename? Rory Williams the Mischevious Troll! Doesn't matter since sk8 isn't here, although he did confirm he made my role | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:31 GMT
#2619
On June 30 2013 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw do you think I'm town right now? I need your advice desparately because i don't know what to do. I had a crazy thought that could win us the game right now but it will require luck and planning. I...I have no idea. Regarding your "kita has austin's role" conspiracy theory...what would have happened if kita was lynched back in D2? He would have flipped austin's role and austin would have been caught in a lie, right? Although if austin has Zepphird's role kita could indeed be 3P since you just replace Xata with austin in that "[scum] PMed 3P kita and planned everything" conspiracy theory I had | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:33 GMT
#2624
On June 30 2013 05:32 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:31 gonzaw wrote: On June 30 2013 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw do you think I'm town right now? I need your advice desparately because i don't know what to do. I had a crazy thought that could win us the game right now but it will require luck and planning. I...I have no idea. Regarding your "kita has austin's role" conspiracy theory...what would have happened if kita was lynched back in D2? He would have flipped austin's role and austin would have been caught in a lie, right? Although if austin has Zepphird's role kita could indeed be 3P since you just replace Xata with austin in that "[scum] PMed 3P kita and planned everything" conspiracy theory I had Correct, but somehow we got diverted to a sk8r lynch. Who started that? i need to reread. maybe we'll learn something. I did >_> | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 20:35 GMT
#2627
On June 30 2013 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Madam Vastra and Strax we both know are in this game. Strax only had one aspect of his role claimed, Medic. I don't think geript was bullshitting when he said he could prot kita. Kita is madam vastra. It was kita who claimed Strax was medic (back when he wanted people to give him the TARDIS in N1) kita is the ONLY one that constantly claimed geript had medic (well, as well as geript himself) Do you believe both confirmed anti-town/scum about that? Could this "medic" protection protect kita from a fucking lynch? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:36 GMT
#2631
On June 30 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gonza you were right. Kill kita now, Geript tomorrow. ...I was? IF austin doesn't reappear before 5 minutes to lynch we kill geript, I block kita at night (thus blocking his factional KP/his ability to regenerate his shot) Why that switch if austin doesn't turn up? Well Xfire, I'll assume you are town for now then I suppose. What is that plan of yours? Did you get your item instantly right now? You could use the vote thief ability right now so WOS doesn't have to kill himself | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:38 GMT
#2634
On June 30 2013 05:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:35 gonzaw wrote: On June 30 2013 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Madam Vastra and Strax we both know are in this game. Strax only had one aspect of his role claimed, Medic. I don't think geript was bullshitting when he said he could prot kita. Kita is madam vastra. It was kita who claimed Strax was medic (back when he wanted people to give him the TARDIS in N1) kita is the ONLY one that constantly claimed geript had medic (well, as well as geript himself) Do you believe both confirmed anti-town/scum about that? Could this "medic" protection protect kita from a fucking lynch? That would be broken as fuck -_- Well...it could just be 1 shot-medic + 1 shot-pardoner, and can only be used from Strax to Madam Vastre. Like...does that seem to OP? Xfire also has a 1 shot-medic and 1 shot-pardoner (well he can get it). Xfire's role doesn't seem so OP, so geript's role would even seem worse than Xfire's in that sense | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:39 GMT
#2635
On June 30 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:36 gonzaw wrote: On June 30 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gonza you were right. Kill kita now, Geript tomorrow. ...I was? IF austin doesn't reappear before 5 minutes to lynch we kill geript, I block kita at night (thus blocking his factional KP/his ability to regenerate his shot) Why that switch if austin doesn't turn up? Well Xfire, I'll assume you are town for now then I suppose. What is that plan of yours? Did you get your item instantly right now? You could use the vote thief ability right now so WOS doesn't have to kill himself because that way we can save WoS for a night Oh, because austin has his vote on geript? If he's scum wouldn't he be here right before deadline to change votes and shit? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:40 GMT
#2638
But there will most likely be 2 scum remaining tonight, if you RB one then the other one can carry the kill | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:41 GMT
#2641
Because if WOS dies to kill scum, then if we just care about numbers and not scum it'll be the same shit, 4v3 or 3v2 is the exact same shit basically. If we can lynch scum today without killing WOS it should be preferable | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:42 GMT
#2643
On June 30 2013 05:40 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:36 gonzaw wrote: On June 30 2013 05:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gonza you were right. Kill kita now, Geript tomorrow. ...I was? IF austin doesn't reappear before 5 minutes to lynch we kill geript, I block kita at night (thus blocking his factional KP/his ability to regenerate his shot) Why that switch if austin doesn't turn up? Well Xfire, I'll assume you are town for now then I suppose. What is that plan of yours? Did you get your item instantly right now? You could use the vote thief ability right now so WOS doesn't have to kill himself My plan is for you to secretly use your ability on someone tonight that you think is town and if scum try to lynch that person tomorrow then we have a chance to still survive and go to the next day. Yeah I planned on doing that tonight as well But that works only if WOS is alive and somehow scum can force a lynch on a townie. How can that happen without us having lost already (being 2v2 or 3v3 etc)? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:43 GMT
#2644
On June 30 2013 05:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pick a Target Gonza, geript or kita. *sigh* geript I guess ##Vote: geript | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:45 GMT
#2648
What were the options already? I chose "gonzaw", Xfire was about to choose someone else, and what else? If the option is vig/medic again, then even scum austin is forced to give that to either me or BC so we can still make use of it. What do you guys think is best? Xfire, which option did you choose? Or have you not chosen yet? If you haven't, what do you think is more important: The bus driver item, or the Vote Thief item? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:47 GMT
#2652
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:48 GMT
#2653
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:49 GMT
#2656
On June 30 2013 05:48 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:45 gonzaw wrote: So..if austin is scum, he still has already sent those "polls" thing, right? So he is FORCED to choose that shit, isn't he? What were the options already? I chose "gonzaw", Xfire was about to choose someone else, and what else? If the option is vig/medic again, then even scum austin is forced to give that to either me or BC so we can still make use of it. What do you guys think is best? Xfire, which option did you choose? Or have you not chosen yet? If you haven't, what do you think is more important: The bus driver item, or the Vote Thief item? I'm not sure but whatever i choose i will not tell the thread. Only you will know by what story i reveal to you. I want to keep it that way. I choose to give my ability to bc, but I think i might want to change that to myself if that is acceptable and you still think i'm town so i can plan around a potential busdrive of my own doing. This isn't finalized and I can still choose bc if you aren't comfortable with me choosing myself. Whatever go for it. If you are scum we already lost anyways (you have like a bajillion shit and can get bajillion shit like votethief, pardoner, etc) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:52 GMT
#2660
On June 30 2013 05:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yea I know, you and I both thought xata was scum tho -_- But that would have actually worked had you shot Xata (it would have bene bussed onto kita lol) Well, the point is still that THERE WAS a scum that had Zepphird's day vig, no matter who, and it was annonymous (thank you Zepphird -_- ) and was like 100% happening today. Whether it was Xata or kita it wouldn't have mattered... ...wait, if that actually happened you could have KNOWN who used that action. In the invention I put "If someone uses an action, the hosts tells you who used it, who is his target, and what it does, then you can choose to prevent it or not" If we didn't tell anybody shit and you used it, when kita killed someone we would have known kita had the role (and not Xata....slightly confirming Xata as town). I know my invention shit BC, that could have saved us | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:54 GMT
#2663
On June 30 2013 05:35 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Madam Vastra and Strax we both know are in this game. Strax only had one aspect of his role claimed, Medic. I don't think geript was bullshitting when he said he could prot kita. Kita is madam vastra. Geript's role would make sense being strax, because strax who was warrior who got demoted to medic, but always loves challenging people to fights/duel/etc. Flavor wise it makes sense strax is geript and kita is madame vastra. Random flavor theory. Strax and madame vastra work together and stuff so maybe they can mason each other if they discover who each other is. Wait, so Strax and Madam Vastra are linked in terms of flavor...? Why did nobody say anything when Kita said "my role has something to do with Strax, Strax protect me and give me TARDIS" back in N1? I don't know anything about Dr Who, but surely most of you would have had some suspicions kita was Vastra there, right? HOW ABOUT ZEPPHIRD HIMSELF? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:54 GMT
#2664
On June 30 2013 05:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I did shoot xata >.> I was bluffing in thread to fuck with potential tardis use. I thought I said that already rofl. ..oh.. ....wat, ej | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:55 GMT
#2665
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:57 GMT
#2668
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:58 GMT
#2671
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 20:58 GMT
#2673
On June 30 2013 05:57 austinmcc wrote: You can't choose yourself. Gonzaw/BC/austinmcc/DI was the poll. I think that's why DI was shot. I can choose Xfire and change it | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:00 GMT
#2677
On June 30 2013 05:59 Crossfire99 wrote: unless dec be lying. Yeah....don't put too much faith that's not the case >_> | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:00 GMT
#2678
On June 30 2013 05:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: err whos names were on the list gonza? Dandel Ion BloodyC0bbler gonzaw Crossfire99 This was mine | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:00 GMT
#2680
..just kita though? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:01 GMT
#2681
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:01 GMT
#2687
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:02 GMT
#2692
On June 30 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I voted last second guys, just got home. Not sure if it went through or not, or if it was needed or not but I saw kita change his vote last second so gg either way. No one told me what to do. geript already had 5 votes (lynch goes through with 4 votes) you just killed yourself for no reason dude | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:03 GMT
#2695
FUCKING FLOOD CONTROL | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:04 GMT
#2698
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:12 GMT
#2713
On June 30 2013 06:07 kitaman27 wrote: lol there is no way that this setup wouldn't have 4 mafia. They straight up chickened out. Because even if they didn't they would have to telepathically know they would have to vote BC and not some other random townie instead; you know....considering you are Survivor and have no contact with the scum team makes sense | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:13 GMT
#2716
sorry wubbywuv, I'll meet you in the otherside...or in postgame | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:15 GMT
#2723
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:16 GMT
#2724
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:19 GMT
#2730
you guys do whatever you want to do if you think we can NOT lose tonight, I have no powers anyways | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:27 GMT
#2740
On June 30 2013 06:21 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 06:19 gonzaw wrote: okay, so 3v2 now we lost basically you guys do whatever you want to do if you think we can NOT lose tonight, I have no powers anyways no gonzaw, we did not lose yet. You gave yourself a power with austin's thing, correct? You also have your own power to use tonight, correct? Remember me and you can plan stuff. Once I get pms, tell me what to choose and you will know what i chose. We still have a chance. If austin is scum he can give me/BC the medic (or whatever) and as scum shoot the same guy he gave medic (for instance). If he's not scum, then YOU are scum and you have like 10000 items to fuck town with EVEN if I/BC prevent kill or some shit If BC Rbs austin austin won't give me/BC the medic/vig shit and scum kita can use factional KP on whatever townie. Hmm.. Xfire, do you remember that "code" I mentioned before? The one where I (or well, BOTH of us) would post a passage of the story, plus a number to determine which item we are talking about? We might need to do that. I think...I think you should choose Option (2) tonight. You can't choose Option (3) because you already have used your Empty Gun, and (2) is better than (1) That assumes you are town though...if you are scum then it means town loses 100%......well if you are scum you can already win yeah fuck it choose option (1). But WAIT, tell me again (because you either didn't tell me or I forgot): If you PM the host your answer, do you get your item and response instantly, or with the next Day Post? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:27 GMT
#2742
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:31 GMT
#2746
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:34 GMT
#2751
So Xfire, please answer that Also please tell me, which one of these transcripts of the story did you get? "maybe waiting your family will come back" ".no, you don't want to think about that" "or any other clues about your past life" | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:40 GMT
#2754
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:43 GMT
#2756
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 21:48 GMT
#2760
On June 30 2013 06:44 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw, i'm going to tell you my plan tonight. hold on. I will use the item from the pm containing the quote i will say. There will be a number afterwards telling you which item of the many from that pm i chose. I'll have to figure out a way to breadcrumb who i'm targetting or something wait wait I'm going to make a detailed post with how we can communicate We can use the Event stuff to determine whcih player you may target, hold on I have it figured out | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 29 2013 22:41 GMT
#2763
How we will communicate items: When talking about items, go to this exact post to know which one we are talking about. For instance, if I tell you "I think you should use Item #A" then go below, check the transcript that corresponds to Item #A, go to your PMS and check which EVENT (both initial PM from host with options and response) corresponds to the transcript and the number, just like I mention above. Then check which item you got on that EVENT+number, and I will be talking about that specific item There is a slightly change. Since you used the Empty Gun, then these are the numbers I'm going to speak of in the "transcript" If I put 1 then check your role PM, go to the list of initial items, and choose the first one (that isn't the Empty Gun) If I put 2, then check your role PM, go to the list of initial items, and choose the last one (that isn't the Empty Gun) Now in these transcripts below I'll use ONLY 1 AND 2 as numbers (I won't use 3 anymore), that way it's safer to use. Item #A: "you can see them" 1 Item #B: "was talking about" 2 Item #C: "it doesn't" 2 Item #D: "in hindsight" 1 Item #E: "way before" 2 How we will communicate targets: Okay, this is the player list right now: 0-austinmcc 1-kitaman27 2-Crossfire99 3-BloodyC0bbler 4-gonzaw This means that if I can give you a number, you can determine who I'm talking about. If I give you the number "1" I am talking about kitaman, if I give you the number "4" I am talking about myself. So how do we determine which number we are talking about? This is easy. First, you have been given 5 events. Event A, Event B, Event C, Event D, and now you will get Event E. Just like before, a simple transcript can determine which Event we are referencing. So okay, now we can communicate a single number between 1 and five depending on the transcript. If I give you a transcript from Event A, then it will be number "0". If I give you a transcript from Event E, then it will be number "4". To make it simpler, at the bottom of this post I will put the list of transcripts and the "Numbers". For instance, if I tell you "Number #A" then you go to the bottom of this post, check which transcript belongs to Number #A, then check which event corresponds to that transcript, and you will use the number you got from that event. These are the numbers that correspond to each event:
+ Show Spoiler + In case you forgot or the host didn't tell you the letter of the event in each PM, it works like this:
How to communicate both item and target: We just use this format: "Item #[nº] - Number #[nº]" We use this NO MATTER WHAT ITEM. If there is an item that doesn't need targets, we use it the same, you just ignore the number part (so scum don't figure out which item we are talking about by looking at our filters and see an item with no targets) You can put it more simpler by just saying "I#[nº] - N#[nº]" For example "I#B - N#D" I say you should just write these down on a note, check the events and stuff, and in said note write the equivalence between I#x or N#x, so you don't have to do the same shit again every time we use it Also don't worry I used random.org for this shit Xfire, please confirm you could find all events and items without problems. Number #A: "You continue walking" Number #B: "assume those were" Number #C: "it feels like" Number #D: "all along it" Number #E: "will be alright" | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 22:43 GMT
#2765
That's because scum may not know what "Number #B" refers to, but everytime we use N#B scum KNOW we are talking ABOUT THE SAME PLAYER I haven't really figured out a way for us to use a codification that doesn't give scum ANY info, not even if we are talking about the same player/item or not. I may figure out something later though, which is why I kept the numbers. It'll most likely deal with something similar to cryptography, but not cryptography exactly because: -Hosts don't allow cryptography -It's a pain in the ass to decode and encode | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 22:47 GMT
#2767
Xfire, change the format to this instead: "I#x - N#y - N#z" I#x is the item N#y is the first target N#z is the second target If I#x is the bus driver one, then use those 2 targets If I#x just needs 1 target, use the first one (N#y) If I#x has no targets, ignore both | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 22:53 GMT
#2769
On June 30 2013 07:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Also, how about this for incentive. Austin, I will consider it a 100% scum claim if you don't give me an ability tonight. I hope you're town and you'll do it without the encouragement lol. Honestly, the only thing I'm sure about is Kita being scum. The rest is by process of elimination lol. I'm still not sure why YOU need to have the ability You can still use the bus driver if I get austin's ability. If you want to coordinate the bus and shit, well we have the above codification, we can use a similar one for me to communicate to you what power I got and who I'm using it on. | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 23:00 GMT
#2771
Also, please answer again: Can you get the item tonight instantly or do you get it when D4 starts? (goddamit Xfire answer this) | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 23:02 GMT
#2772
(that's a possible use of your abilities tonight) | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 23:08 GMT
#2776
If Xfire is scum then: 1)He has a bajillion shit that can prevent us from doing shit tonight or tomorrow to an easy win. I can and will say scum have already won if Xfire is scum there's no doubt about it. 2)Unless BC RBs him, but if Xfire is town one of the ONLY ways we can win is if Xfire uses some abilities, so BC shouldn't RB him. Event then Xfire can just use shit tomorrow I think, so we still lose. Conclusion: If Xfire is scum we already lost, so let's just assume he's town to try and not lose tonight So yeah, we don't have much of a choice but trust Xfire. So austin, yeah give that shit to Xfire Xfire, once you get the item, tell me you got it so we can figure out a way for you to tell me what you got. | ||
gonzaw
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June 29 2013 23:20 GMT
#2777
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gonzaw
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June 29 2013 23:37 GMT
#2778
Do you people think scum have a functioning TARDIS tonight? I mean, they didn't use (or there was no proof of it) it last day sicne BC shot Xatalos directly (there was no bus), so maybe it's already spent? I mean, it was used 3 phases in a row (D1, N1 and D2), maybe that's it? It is possible they used it on D3 to like bus kita with BC or me, but well that was bypassed when Xata was shot directly. BC's RB could be very good or very bad, if for instance he uses it on kita and scum bus kita with someone else (me or Xfire or BC himself) | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 16:44 GMT
#2780
On July 01 2013 01:21 austinmcc wrote: "Crossfire OP as mafia" doesn't mean anything, because if he's got 8 billion powers, he's OP as EITHER ALIGNMENT, and it's 3-(1+1) or 3-2 right now. Yes it does mean something, we are 3-2 right now so the powers Xfire has win him the game as scum, but not the game as town (why not win the game as town? BECAUSE WE ARE FRICKING 3 VS 2 AT NIGHT). | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 17:01 GMT
#2781
On July 01 2013 01:21 austinmcc wrote: There's some way left to win, or game would have been over when DI got shot or WoS sacced himself. It most likely means Xfire is town after all. Again, let me remind you scum Xfire has: -Bus driver -NRA Member (kills whoever visits him) -TARDIS (or kita has it) -Vet If he's scum, then it's easy: Scum shoot you/me, Xfire uses the Tazer (NRA member), and scum use TARDIS to bus kita with Xfire. BC will RB kita, but visit Xfire, and die, then austin/I dies, and we get to 1v2 GG D3. Nobody else can do much to stop that, and even if we do it's still 2v2 on D2, or Xfire can use his bus driver shit (on TOP of the TARDIS bus drive shit) to bus even more shit. | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 17:06 GMT
#2782
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gonzaw
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June 30 2013 17:43 GMT
#2784
On July 01 2013 02:40 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2013 08:20 gonzaw wrote: I kind of wonder how I wasn't FOSED for saying that sk8 lied about my role when the hosts apparently said he didn't lol (sk8 said he made me a veteran lookout or some shit who gets info about roles) FOS gonzaw oh noes you caught me | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 18:13 GMT
#2786
This is a mapping between the events and Medic/Vig (or medic and whatever Dandel chose): Event A - Medic Event B - Vig Event C - Medic Event D - Vig Event E - Medic Then you use N#x to determine the Event that maps to your ability (choose any of the events that map to it as random) For instance, N#D Here are some strategies I can think using them: If you get the ability represented by N#C: I'd suggest using that ability on N#B Then use this item: I#C - N#D - N#B If you get the other ability: Hmm, then there are a couple of options: 1)Use ability on N#E and item I#C - N#E - N#B 2)Use ability on N#B and item I#D - N#B - N#E 3)Use ability on N#B and item I#A - N#E - N#C What do you think Xfire? | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 18:18 GMT
#2787
On July 01 2013 03:05 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Except that he doesn't know if he gets shot tonight by someone I give vigi to. He doesn't know if he shoots someone protected by someone I give medic to. He doesn't know in what order RB/busses/actions resolve (I checked, not being revealed). On July 01 2013 02:01 gonzaw wrote: On July 01 2013 01:21 austinmcc wrote: There's some way left to win, or game would have been over when DI got shot or WoS sacced himself. It most likely means Xfire is town after all. Again, let me remind you scum Xfire has: -Bus driver -NRA Member (kills whoever visits him) -TARDIS (or kita has it) -Vet If he's scum, then it's easy: Scum shoot you/me, Xfire uses the Tazer (NRA member), and scum use TARDIS to bus kita with Xfire. BC will RB kita, but visit Xfire, and die, then austin/I dies, and we get to 1v2 GG D3. Nobody else can do much to stop that, and even if we do it's still 2v2 on D2, or Xfire can use his bus driver shit (on TOP of the TARDIS bus drive shit) to bus even more shit. It's also possible you don't have full information. Well I dunno ask the hosts yourself why the game hasn't ended yet if Xfire is scum. Yeah, well you can only give ME the vig to have a slight chance to survive if Xfire is scum, since the other guy you can give it to is Xfire lolol. In that case.....convince me to shoot him then I guess? I don't really get this....are you two thinking both are town or something? Like Xfire seems like thinking austin may be town, and you don't think of Xfire as "confirmed scum" either? I guess an option is austin being 3P with scum only being kita+geript+MZ, that's the ONLY way one of you two is not a super scummy scummer | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 18:32 GMT
#2788
N#E then I#C - N#D - N#B | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 18:37 GMT
#2789
I.e if there are 2 scum, and 1 is RBed, is the factional KP still going through, or not if the RBed scum was carrying it? | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 18:57 GMT
#2796
You are lucky since it's not! On July 01 2013 03:50 Crossfire99 wrote: Also I think you messed up the quote for item E. It should be "wait" not "way". Otherwise I think I understand everything (hopefully lol). It should be "way before", unless deconduo fucked up the PM Here's another one: "you look" 2 Based on your choices this should give the correct event as well Wait a minute I'll check those strategies you mentioned | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 18:59 GMT
#2798
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gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:02 GMT
#2799
On July 01 2013 03:50 Crossfire99 wrote: Ability N#C: Either N#B like you said or N#E. Other Ability: N#A or N#C I'm not sure I understand some of these. Do you think of using them standalone or in conjuction with another item in special? | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:15 GMT
#2804
"I#A - N#A - N#B" You sure you got the encoding right? Here's another one for N#A and N#C which I think you might have gotten the other way round: N#A: "quite a while" N#C: "middle of it" On July 01 2013 04:09 austinmcc wrote: Did you bus kurumi N2? Did anyone bus Kurumi N2? Xfire is confirmed (by the role) to still have the Rubber Duck (bus driver), thus he couldn't have bussed anybody yet Kurumi might have bussed himself with someone though | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:21 GMT
#2807
On July 01 2013 03:50 Crossfire99 wrote: I#B - N#C - N#D I#C - N#E - N#A I#C - N#C - N#B I#F - N#B - N#A I was thinking on performing these actions tonight perhaps: N#D then I#A - N#C - N#E Or this one: N#E then I#C - N#D - N#B But I think you could scratch that last one and use this one instead: N#E then I#F - N#B - N#A I'd say we do these ones because we are at 3v2 right now, and because of I#E Do you get what I mean? | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:31 GMT
#2809
On July 01 2013 04:20 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 03:59 gonzaw wrote: So you got the Item #F instantly? You already have it? I chose the options according to the guidelines already posted by you. I followed them, so you know the answer to that question. Oh silly me On July 01 2013 04:20 austinmcc wrote: Wait no, bussing wouldn't even matter. Gonzaw, I dunno if you've revealed too much or not, but you've got to stop. DE-BEARING POSSIBLY SOLVES THE GAME OR WIFOMS YOUR FACE OFF! I de-beared Kurumi N2. Kurumi was the N2 NK target. Bussing wouldn't even matter, both ended up on the same player, so both were targeted on the same player. If I'm mafia, I de-beared someone who I thought was dying. There are still ways to win despite what crossfire currently has, especially if he has to activate items. You are either 3P or scum most likely. If 3P then most likely only kita is remaining scum (and we are 3v1v1) and your bear thing makes sense (and you didn't kill Kurumi since you 3P) If you are scum, then your "bear" thing is as much bullshit as kita's "I win if I get the TARDIS" shit. Please austin, would be so kind to help us determine which one of those options is true? If you are town, then who is scum? Is it 4v1 right now with just 3 scum in the whole game and that's it? Or is Xfire scum? If Xfire is scum why aren't you desperately trying to stop me from coordinating with him and instead just complaining here and there? If you are town, and Xfire is town, then we are at 4v1 and there is NOTHING to worry about, it becomes 3v1 tomorrow, we lynch kita, we win. If you are town and Xfire is scum, then: If kita is scum: It's 3v2 and we 89% lost already, but hey, maybe you have something up your sleeve to avoid that but I have no way to know because you are not being explicit enough If kita is 3P: It's 3v1v1, but it's as if it was 3v2 because kita will vote with scum Xfire tomorrow so whatever So austin, if you are not 3P, nor scum, then what is going through your head right now (i.e which one of the above are you worried about, think is likely, etc)? You are not being clear at all just complaining so yeah you likely scum because you are being confusing as fuck and I don't want to even try figuring out why you'd do that as town Wait no, bussing wouldn't even matter. Gonzaw, I dunno if you've revealed too much or not, but you've got to stop. Scum apparently can read (WOS or Dandel I think said something that DI had one extra day and night lives somewhere, so once DI died at day scum killed him at day as well, again like BC said "clever shot"), I'm sure they have already read the counltess of posts where I was going on and on about possible scum Xfire having a bus driver tonight. I didn't "reveal" too much unless scum is a bunch of morons (doesn't include lovvywuv!) | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:32 GMT
#2810
On July 01 2013 04:25 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 04:15 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, Xfire, some of those don't make much sense, like this one: "I#A - N#A - N#B" You sure you got the encoding right? Here's another one for N#A and N#C which I think you might have gotten the other way round: N#A: "quite a while" N#C: "middle of it" On July 01 2013 04:09 austinmcc wrote: Did you bus kurumi N2? Did anyone bus Kurumi N2? Xfire is confirmed (by the role) to still have the Rubber Duck (bus driver), thus he couldn't have bussed anybody yet Kurumi might have bussed himself with someone though Yeah i messed it up. let me think about stuff again lol. did you get a role from Austin tonight? Apparently he doesn't like me I was trying to be secretly and shit about it in case austin is not scum (somehow)....but yeah whatever I got a role from austin last night. I got ability N#D (check the previous "Event <-> Ability" mapping to know what it is) | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:33 GMT
#2811
"last night" -> "tonight" | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:39 GMT
#2814
On July 01 2013 04:33 kitaman27 wrote: Dear gonzaw, 2v2v1 Sincerely, The Survivor So kita, I hope you convinced scum via PMs to no-NK tonight because "we already won!", then tomorrow you heroically take a stand with town and vote with town to win the game with us, right!? | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:44 GMT
#2815
On July 01 2013 04:39 austinmcc wrote: And unless anyone else wants to claim the bear running away N1, I'm not making up the de-bearing. ??? Given that there's only been one NK each night, 3 scum seems incredibly unlikely. There are 2 scum, or it's (1+1) and Kita is scum-aligned in some manner. I know I'm not it. I assume you and BC aren't it based on thread. Therefore, crossfire is the remaining scum if one exists. There's a chance he's not, but that setup doesn't seem balanced. If it's just kita, we lose nothing by you making it impossible to win if Crossfire is scum, we'll just win. If it's kita + crossfire, then I think he can win the game if tonight goes a certain way and I won't even have a shot at stopping it. Well make up your mind is Xfire scum or not? I won't deal with this wishy washy "he is scum!.....unless he's not...but the setup wouldn't be balanced!!!....unless it isn't". If it's kita + crossfire, then I think he can win the game if tonight goes a certain way and I won't even have a shot at stopping it You have never explained how your "give someone an ability the next night" role can prevent scum from winning in a 3v2 or whatever. Blah I give up I will never understand you austin. I'll just assume you are scum until you explain yourself properly some day | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:54 GMT
#2820
On July 01 2013 04:46 austinmcc wrote: No, I have not explained. You will understand tomorrow or postgame. So I should place the ENTIRE TOWN GAME on trusting you with this right now? Are you fucking serious? You austin, you that did basically shit all game (compared to like ALL your previous town games). You austin, guy that FoSed like 10 guys in D1/N1/D2 and then completely ignored them until they flipped town. You austin, guy that posted like he was on drugs and never made any sense whatsoever You austin, guy confirmed scum geript chose to save on D1, and confirmed scum MZ conveniently "disappeared" when he could have hammered you and lynch you back on D1 You expect me to rest the entire game on you? You want me to assume you'll take care of shit with this "unexplained" stuff that apparently will win us the game and do shit and let you control the game? ..yeah right. What you smokin' son? | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:57 GMT
#2821
I have a new proposal: N#B then I#F - N#A - N#E It might seem it won't work, but if there's some shit going on tonight (i.e, if it happens in a "worst case scenario" with something that helps scum), then this might help us tonight. What do you think? | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 19:59 GMT
#2822
On July 01 2013 04:48 The_Bard wrote: I called for a knight But you're a bear A bear, a bear All black and brown And covered in hair! She kicked and wailed The maid so fair But he licked the honey From her hair! He licked the honey From her hair! Then she sighed and squealed And kicked the air She sang, "My bear so fair" And off they went The bear! The bear! And the maiden fair! Oh, sweet she was, and pure, and fair! The maid with honey, In her hair! Her hair! The maid with honey in her hair! He smelled the scent on the summer air! The bear! The bear! All black and brown and covered with hair! He smelled the scent on the summer air! He sniffed and roared and smelled it there! Honey on the summer air! | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 20:09 GMT
#2827
On July 01 2013 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Ok. gonzaw don't tell me what you're going to do, since scum already know what ability they gave to you cause austin is almost confirmed scum now. So gonzaw, I'm actually thinking of usuing I#E tonight, your thoughts? That or I#F. I think those are the best options. Why exactly is austin "almost confirmed scum"? Hmm....I think I didn't calculate something correctly about the power of said items. Hmm, yeah I'm an idiot N#D then I#E - N#B - N#C could be the option we want then, don't you think? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:13 GMT
#2828
On July 01 2013 05:03 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + No, I don't expect you to rest the entire game on me.On July 01 2013 04:54 gonzaw wrote: On July 01 2013 04:46 austinmcc wrote: No, I have not explained. You will understand tomorrow or postgame. So I should place the ENTIRE TOWN GAME on trusting you with this right now? Are you fucking serious? You austin, you that did basically shit all game (compared to like ALL your previous town games). You austin, guy that FoSed like 10 guys in D1/N1/D2 and then completely ignored them until they flipped town. You austin, guy that posted like he was on drugs and never made any sense whatsoever You austin, guy confirmed scum geript chose to save on D1, and confirmed scum MZ conveniently "disappeared" when he could have hammered you and lynch you back on D1 You expect me to rest the entire game on you? You want me to assume you'll take care of shit with this "unexplained" stuff that apparently will win us the game and do shit and let you control the game? ..yeah right. What you smokin' son? If you think there's only kita left, it doesn't matter what you do. If you think I'm scum, then...whatever. It won't matter what I say if you actually believe I'm scum. And I don't see why you were trying to be sneaky with what I gave you unless you think I'm not scum. Maybe I interpreted something wrong here. But if you think he's scum, or has the chance to be scum, then I don't expect you to rest the game on me. I expect you to play it smart. I'm trying to be sneaky in case you are 3P to not give scum kita info I expect you to play it smart It's hard to "play smart" with so many hidden variables, like who BC is going to RB, if scum have a functioning TARDIS or not, if Xfire is indeed scum or not. As you can see, personally I have like 0 power, other than the one you gave me. If the worst case scenario happens where like BC RBs me, Xfire is scum and kita has functioning TARDIS there isn't shit I can do. That's why I'm taking some assumptions in this shit to try and plan better | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:14 GMT
#2829
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:14 GMT
#2831
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:15 GMT
#2833
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:17 GMT
#2834
On July 01 2013 05:14 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 05:09 gonzaw wrote: On July 01 2013 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Ok. gonzaw don't tell me what you're going to do, since scum already know what ability they gave to you cause austin is almost confirmed scum now. So gonzaw, I'm actually thinking of usuing I#E tonight, your thoughts? That or I#F. I think those are the best options. Why exactly is austin "almost confirmed scum"? Hmm....I think I didn't calculate something correctly about the power of said items. Hmm, yeah I'm an idiot N#D then I#E - N#B - N#C could be the option we want then, don't you think? I'm not scum, you're not scum, BC's not scum. By process of elimination austin is scum. Maybe he's third party or something idk. But I'd consider him scum right now to be safe. You didn't consider him "confirmed scum" until he made a comment about giving me the ability or some shit like that. Why wasn't he "confirmed scum" before, but was after that? Did you read the above "possible" action? Do you agree or not? The way I see it there are 2 options with it we could do: N#D then I#E - N#B - N#C or N#B then I#E - N#B - N#C Some are safer and some are riskier. I don't really know if we could take a risk like that though | ||
gonzaw
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June 30 2013 20:20 GMT
#2836
If you want me to like trust you and shit this might be a good chance (kinda late though): + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote: Okay, I read austin's previous games (scum+town) and they have nothing in common with this one so I'll just ignore them Hey austin, remember these posts? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=33#652 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=56#1107 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=59#1180 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=61#1218 You FoS Zepphird, you FoS Xfire, you FoS Kurumi, then you defend your FoS of Xfire again. + Show Spoiler + Also those posts are FUCKING WEIRD AS HELL WTF AUSTIN? Are you on drugs? You go from one of them to the other without giving a shit, you 100% ignore them afterwards, ALL THREE OF THEM Also this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=74#1464 Shitty case (even if it's right that kita was hidding info about Tardis). Kita doesn't want vigs shooting unknowns therefore he's scum. Foolishness would be proud austin. You just hop from "weird illegible case" on one guy to the other, you just CANT BE TOWN dude, this feels like a sick joke Show nested quote + On June 22 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote: Or maybe I DO have that power and you're immune to it. My read on Zephirdd is that he managed to win PTP3 for his team by being a jerky mafia face. I don't like that, but tbh I don't remember him doing anything super duper mafia-y. Gonna be trying to get info out of him early, because he was able to blend in late game once everyone was lazified and didn't care. After your "case" on Zepphird, I made sure to CTRL+F him in the rest of your posts. You never mention any opinion on him again, you just use him as an object for your cases on Kurumi/Xfire etc. Like hell am I supposed to believe the bolded bit when you dont' give a flying fuck about that yourself? You just lied there to gain eazy town cred in early game then? It sure looks like it. (Hint: Zepphird is "blending in" right now, and he was in all game long until MZ flipped and "confirmed" him, what were you doing then? What do you think of Zeph now? I dunno because since you made a CASE on him where you FOSED AND VOTED HIM you never talked about him again) Also: Show nested quote + On June 24 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: NOW ONTO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS JEEBUS STOP LYNCHING ME. Show nested quote + On June 25 2013 23:59 austinmcc wrote: Hey duders, stop lynching me. Gonzaw's onto something here:. Show nested quote + On June 26 2013 00:13 austinmcc wrote: As for me, again, stop lynching me. Go lynch someone else. This is annoying as fuck austin. Also hey austin, how about you stop talking about setup shit and discuss whether kita's post/claim etc has any effect on your case on him or not, if you want to lynch him or not, etc? + Show Spoiler + Hell I think the most likely explanation is that you are on drugs and having lapses in your memory or some shit I just can't comprehend your play this game If this is true then please call a friend, a family member, and ask for help. You don't even have to post in TL, just say tell us you are busy and secretly PM deconduo about it so he replaces you No hard feelings bro, hope you get better I want to vote you, but I'll have to wait for kita to arrive with his PTP claim and his "2nd half", and I'm gonna read Kurumi now (and maybe geript). | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:28 GMT
#2840
Xfire did you get the memo? I'd say let's risk it a little bit and use that, we only have 30 minutes before deadline we have to hurry up a little bit | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:30 GMT
#2844
On July 01 2013 05:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: i don't call that fun given I am leaving to go to my gfs in like, 10 minutes. ##Busdrive: BC with gonzaw | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:32 GMT
#2847
nothing nothing let's keep going So BC what is this 3rd option you have? I only remember 2 | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:34 GMT
#2850
I mean, I'm the only one whose role isn't confirmed by anyone. What if I'm Gandalf the 2nd Coming of Christ and can insta-win the game for the 6th Party House of Chezinu? You can't know that, therefore the optimal choice is to role-check me | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:36 GMT
#2851
On July 01 2013 05:34 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 05:17 gonzaw wrote: On July 01 2013 05:14 Crossfire99 wrote: On July 01 2013 05:09 gonzaw wrote: On July 01 2013 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Ok. gonzaw don't tell me what you're going to do, since scum already know what ability they gave to you cause austin is almost confirmed scum now. So gonzaw, I'm actually thinking of usuing I#E tonight, your thoughts? That or I#F. I think those are the best options. Why exactly is austin "almost confirmed scum"? Hmm....I think I didn't calculate something correctly about the power of said items. Hmm, yeah I'm an idiot N#D then I#E - N#B - N#C could be the option we want then, don't you think? I'm not scum, you're not scum, BC's not scum. By process of elimination austin is scum. Maybe he's third party or something idk. But I'd consider him scum right now to be safe. You didn't consider him "confirmed scum" until he made a comment about giving me the ability or some shit like that. Why wasn't he "confirmed scum" before, but was after that? Did you read the above "possible" action? Do you agree or not? The way I see it there are 2 options with it we could do: N#D then I#E - N#B - N#C or N#B then I#E - N#B - N#C Some are safer and some are riskier. I don't really know if we could take a risk like that though Well I was waiting to see if he listened to you to give me an ability tonight. You're 100% confirmed town, so he should listen to you and trust you because you told him to give it to me. I double checked and my N# are 100% correct. I think we should do N#B then I#E - N#C - N#A or N#D then I#E - N#C - N#D No, I don't think they are 100% correct. It's I#E - N#B - N#A not I#E - N#C - N#A | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:37 GMT
#2853
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:39 GMT
#2855
On June 30 2013 07:41 gonzaw wrote:
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:45 GMT
#2858
On July 01 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: -_-. Hey kita? How funny would this game be if it was 4 scum and 1 3p. -_- I just thought that was a scum claim or something BC, please don't scare me like that. Xfire, please respond soon, if not I'll be going with this plan: N#D then I#E - N#B - N#C You are either making a cruel joke or you messed up the numbers again, but if you know what I#E does it won't be hard to know what target/s to use (if you somehow still messed up the numbers) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:49 GMT
#2861
"way before" "you seem to try" These are at the start of the Event PM (the one you got where the host gives you which options to take). Please confirm quickly you know what I#E is. N#B is the guy you would do something like I#F - N#B - N#C N#C is the guy you would do something like I#A - N#C - N#E | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:51 GMT
#2862
On July 01 2013 05:48 Crossfire99 wrote: ok gonzaw. I think I understand. But I think we are just talking past each other but I do know what you plan on doing. Okay cool. Let's hope we don't fuck up (or I don't fuck up if you are town or some shit). The time of truth (i.e town losing in a humiliating manner) is coming | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:53 GMT
#2863
(or I don't fuck up if you are scum or some shit). | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 20:59 GMT
#2864
N#D or N#E...hmmm | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:00 GMT
#2866
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:00 GMT
#2868
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:00 GMT
#2870
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:06 GMT
#2873
##Vote: kitaman | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:07 GMT
#2874
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:08 GMT
#2875
Well...actually if scum Xfire was RBed then: -It's 2v2 so we already lost -He wouldn't be able to prove to me he used I#E by doing....[waits for Xfire to do what he should be doing] | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:13 GMT
#2879
So...what do you plan on doing with that? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:13 GMT
#2881
On July 01 2013 06:13 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw, i think I might have messed up what the items were, but I can prove to you what i did do last night if you give me a second. ......wat | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:14 GMT
#2883
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:15 GMT
#2885
For instance, if it's 2v2 or something, then do you plan stuff like "Well, scum and town have equal numbers, but they would NL, therefore we have to take into account every possibility every single townie and scum can do on N4 to determine if scum have already won the game or not" or stuff like that? Or do you just see "2v2, nothing will change that soon, bleh scum win" ? I mean, same principle if it's 2v2, or 2v1v1, etc | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:18 GMT
#2888
Hosts know that today is 2v2 and we NL. But austin is town, and thus can give me either a vet, or a vig, or a medic, etc, so I can kill scum kita/Xfire tonight. So hosts felt this was a possibility, and with this possibility maybe town has a chance to win (maybe?), so they felt they should keep the game going on. But that only if Xfire didn't steal kitaman's vote (or anybody's vote for that matter). As scum, Xfire could have just used the Tazer (I proted him last night so I would have died), or use the VoteThief on me for instance, to insta win as scum (and that would be a 100% win GG from scum, not this "prolonged win" they may have been having right now if what I said above is true)... ....so yeah, Xfire confirmed town. So austin, would you like claiming 3P now maybe? Maybe you could battle with kita to see who's the real survivor? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:20 GMT
#2889
On July 01 2013 06:16 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 06:15 gonzaw wrote: Hosts, how much do you plan in advance to determine if a faction won? For instance, if it's 2v2 or something, then do you plan stuff like "Well, scum and town have equal numbers, but they would NL, therefore we have to take into account every possibility every single townie and scum can do on N4 to determine if scum have already won the game or not" or stuff like that? Or do you just see "2v2, nothing will change that soon, bleh scum win" ? I mean, same principle if it's 2v2, or 2v1v1, etc From OP: Show nested quote + Alignments: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. ????? You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. So...if this was something like 4 townies and 10000000 scum, the game STILL goes on until those 4 townies die? I was ALWAYS under the impression hosts did "hidden calculations" to determine automatic wins when it's impossible another faction can win. That's why the whole "you win when scum equal town" win condition, because if scum equal town scum win 100% (in games with that win con that are normal at least). I thought something similar would have happened now. If town has already lost and you hosts are just prolonging my suffering making me feel like we have a chance...I'll never forget ;_; | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:21 GMT
#2890
If austin is indeed scum and not 3P or some shit (I honestly don't know right now I've done clearly thinking about this shit since Xata flipped), then we need to enter the WIFOM game to see if we can still win | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:21 GMT
#2891
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:24 GMT
#2894
On July 01 2013 06:22 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + If you're convinced, then alright.On July 01 2013 06:18 gonzaw wrote: Like, the ONLY ONLY ONLY way Xfire can be scum, is if: Hosts know that today is 2v2 and we NL. But austin is town, and thus can give me either a vet, or a vig, or a medic, etc, so I can kill scum kita/Xfire tonight. So hosts felt this was a possibility, and with this possibility maybe town has a chance to win (maybe?), so they felt they should keep the game going on. But that only if Xfire didn't steal kitaman's vote (or anybody's vote for that matter). As scum, Xfire could have just used the Tazer (I proted him last night so I would have died), or use the VoteThief on me for instance, to insta win as scum (and that would be a 100% win GG from scum, not this "prolonged win" they may have been having right now if what I said above is true)... ....so yeah, Xfire confirmed town. So austin, would you like claiming 3P now maybe? Maybe you could battle with kita to see who's the real survivor? Okay Nice we could reach an understanding Hey austin, I wouldn't mind you giving me a medic or vig tonight again | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:26 GMT
#2895
On July 01 2013 06:24 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 06:20 gonzaw wrote: On July 01 2013 06:16 deconduo wrote: On July 01 2013 06:15 gonzaw wrote: Hosts, how much do you plan in advance to determine if a faction won? For instance, if it's 2v2 or something, then do you plan stuff like "Well, scum and town have equal numbers, but they would NL, therefore we have to take into account every possibility every single townie and scum can do on N4 to determine if scum have already won the game or not" or stuff like that? Or do you just see "2v2, nothing will change that soon, bleh scum win" ? I mean, same principle if it's 2v2, or 2v1v1, etc From OP: Alignments: The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. ????? You win if you are alive at the end of the game and have fulfilled your victory condition. So...if this was something like 4 townies and 10000000 scum, the game STILL goes on until those 4 townies die? I was ALWAYS under the impression hosts did "hidden calculations" to determine automatic wins when it's impossible another faction can win. That's why the whole "you win when scum equal town" win condition, because if scum equal town scum win 100% (in games with that win con that are normal at least). I thought something similar would have happened now. If town has already lost and you hosts are just prolonging my suffering making me feel like we have a chance...I'll never forget ;_; If the result was 100% set in stone, I would end the game. However due to the wide variety of roles and powers, there's almost always a chance for one faction to come out on top no matter what the situation is. Also its possible to reach a point where town has lost but can influence whether scum or 3rd party wins for example. That's why the wincons are defined as such. Okay... ...I guess I had my hopes up a little too much. So town can still lose *sigh* oh well, let's see what happens then. Xfire, if you are scum or 3P or some shit and town already lost...please don't prolong this shit by making it seem you are town or something.....just don't If that's the case, no need to rub it in my face any more than all of you have done so already. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:31 GMT
#2900
I thought we would lose dude, please understand ;_; | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:31 GMT
#2901
On July 01 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote: Oh crap. You can't wait a day and let me de-bear? no | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:33 GMT
#2903
On July 01 2013 06:29 Crossfire99 wrote: Gonzaw, why'd you have to steal my thunder? This was my plan all along. I messed up what item e was lol, but I figured I had to do this action because it was the only chance. Goddamit dude >_> I'll try making it clearer next time I guess? But I gave you like 10000 story transcripts to find the event lol Also, hopefully I or you get the TARDIS now after kita dies | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:33 GMT
#2905
On July 01 2013 06:32 austinmcc wrote: FINE. But next PTP, my role is going to achieve it's stupid win conditions. Well, apparently you made that role yourself, so you can only blame yourself for your "stupid win conditions" | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:34 GMT
#2906
On July 01 2013 06:33 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 06:31 gonzaw wrote: Sorry dude I got a little bit too excited I thought we would lose dude, please understand ;_; No big deals, dude. We still have got a chance this game, especially with the item I got *vroom* *vroom* he | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:39 GMT
#2909
On July 01 2013 06:34 kitaman27 wrote: Dear mafia, Just a reminder: The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. It's impossible for me to be a serial killer. Why are you speaking to them in thread? Weren't you communicating with them secretly? Also you might as well just say "Dear austin" by this point, wouldn't you? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:44 GMT
#2914
On July 01 2013 06:40 kitaman27 wrote: geript is kinda dead. Use your day mason on austin then | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:45 GMT
#2916
On July 01 2013 06:43 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 06:40 kitaman27 wrote: On July 01 2013 06:36 Crossfire99 wrote: On July 01 2013 06:34 kitaman27 wrote: Dear mafia, Just a reminder: The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. It's impossible for me to be a serial killer. You're dead. There's nothing you can do to stop it. Perhaps, but you guys owe me for the three shots While I don't recommend trusting kita... HI THERE GONZAW ARE YOU SURE THAT CROSSFIRE IS NOT MAFIA? OMG I AM NOT YOU CONVINCED ME ##Unvote ##Vote: Xfire | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:45 GMT
#2917
GG | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 21:49 GMT
#2920
So, with post-game just a couple of hours away, would you mind telling me this "game-changing" shit you were talking about last night? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:20 GMT
#2925
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:37 GMT
#2931
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:37 GMT
#2932
On July 01 2013 07:30 kitaman27 wrote: ##I object Hey kita, would you mind passing me the TARDIS before dying? kthxbyedie | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:41 GMT
#2933
Like...unless kita is really 3P lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:42 GMT
#2934
...A LOT | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:45 GMT
#2936
2-0 against Spain Take that pretty boys | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:47 GMT
#2937
....so a scum could just take it, and NEVER use it until he deems it necessary (i.e save his ass, like kita D2), and as soon as he uses it, give it to another scumbuddy, who will NEVER use it until necessary, etc. ...seems kind of imba, scum will ALWAYS have the TARDIS in normal circumstances (nobody shooting them at day, etc), and if a townie shoots them or something they can have it 2 times in a row? It would have been better if it went to a random non-mafia person the 3rd phase after a mafia first got it (no matter which mafia) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:50 GMT
#2939
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 22:54 GMT
#2940
On July 01 2013 07:49 austinmcc wrote: Eh. If it were mandatory, you'd just force people to claim who they give it to, and force em to use. If at any point it goes to a random person, not the named, then ... 2 scum are outed? I also took it to be choice because it takes your night action to use it, so there's a downside. That's a downside for everybody, not just scum. scum can still use factional KP as well as TARDIS Hmm, wait, let's see: On D3, kita killed DI, so he used his role power On D3, austin used the poll shit, so even if he's scum, he used the power On D3, geript was lynched but the TARDIS wasn't randomly distributed, so he didn't have the TARDIS So this means scum didn't use the TARDIS on D3. ...I dunno what I was going with this. Please end the day dec | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:19 GMT
#2943
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:21 GMT
#2944
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:21 GMT
#2945
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:22 GMT
#2946
Yeah I don't buy it, play to win | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:30 GMT
#2949
You knew who scum was today yet you resigned to get lynched. Nice work kita, if you really are 3P survivor (which....may seem likely based on that wall of text chat above) you just played to lose, good job Here: geript in chat: So basically you can go to hit Xfire, Gonzaw, BC or Dandel. Any of those force a draw in 3:3 vote at worst. If things don't work out then we both likely lose regardless. Make sense? He confirmed just there Xfire as town. You had all N3 and D4 knowing austin was the scum, yet you did nothing. If you are 3P then your loss is your own. Like, you backstab town and make town lose only to then resign yourself, that's a dick move | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:31 GMT
#2950
IF YOU HAD POSTED THIS SHIT ME+XFIRE+YOURVOTE (FROM XFIRES ABILITY) COULD HAVE LYNCHED AUSTIN AND YOU, AND TOWN WOULD HAVE WON REALLY DICK MOVE KITA, SUPER FUCKING DICK MOVE | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:32 GMT
#2951
...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just faked that whole chat thing and didn't just fuck us and yourself in the ass.. Also if austin is scum we can still win by lynching him tomorrow, we just have to win the WIFOM battle. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:32 GMT
#2952
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:39 GMT
#2955
##Unvote: End day right now I guess...? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:42 GMT
#2957
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:43 GMT
#2959
On July 01 2013 08:42 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 08:31 gonzaw wrote: You do know something? IF YOU HAD POSTED THIS SHIT ME+XFIRE+YOURVOTE (FROM XFIRES ABILITY) COULD HAVE LYNCHED AUSTIN AND YOU, AND TOWN WOULD HAVE WON REALLY DICK MOVE KITA, SUPER FUCKING DICK MOVE I don't understand. Why can't austin be lynched? dec asked "do you want to end the day now?" and everybody said yes.. ..I thought that was like a point-of-no-return thing, so you can't undo that "end day now" shit. Well, I supposed.. So dec, give us a few more minutes kay? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:44 GMT
#2960
On July 01 2013 08:43 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 08:42 gonzaw wrote: Can someone remind me why we lynched sk8 instead of austin on D2? You needed me to protect you from the bears. You don't need to protect me from debears, I can handle him just fine thank you | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:47 GMT
#2966
On July 01 2013 08:44 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 08:43 gonzaw wrote: On July 01 2013 08:42 kitaman27 wrote: On July 01 2013 08:31 gonzaw wrote: You do know something? IF YOU HAD POSTED THIS SHIT ME+XFIRE+YOURVOTE (FROM XFIRES ABILITY) COULD HAVE LYNCHED AUSTIN AND YOU, AND TOWN WOULD HAVE WON REALLY DICK MOVE KITA, SUPER FUCKING DICK MOVE I don't understand. Why can't austin be lynched? dec asked "do you want to end the day now?" and everybody said yes.. ..I thought that was like a point-of-no-return thing, so you can't undo that "end day now" shit. Well, I supposed.. So dec, give us a few more minutes kay? dec asked if everyone wanted to end the day, I said no. Are you saying that I'm a nobody? Well....yeah obviously (sorry wuv i was jokin ;_; ) On July 01 2013 08:44 austinmcc wrote: Seriously though, either no-lynch or lynch kita (sorry kita), and then ... I probably lose. Unless crossfire blew all that crap you said existed. Would you like to tell me what powers of his are remaining? You know, like...maybe you could have said "kita still scum he faked that shit" and maybe I could have bought it (i'm such a fucking gullible dude this game who knows) you just claimed now so good I guess, thanks for making it easier ##Unvote ##Vote: austin | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:48 GMT
#2968
On July 01 2013 08:46 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 08:43 gonzaw wrote: On July 01 2013 08:42 kitaman27 wrote: On July 01 2013 08:31 gonzaw wrote: You do know something? IF YOU HAD POSTED THIS SHIT ME+XFIRE+YOURVOTE (FROM XFIRES ABILITY) COULD HAVE LYNCHED AUSTIN AND YOU, AND TOWN WOULD HAVE WON REALLY DICK MOVE KITA, SUPER FUCKING DICK MOVE I don't understand. Why can't austin be lynched? dec asked "do you want to end the day now?" and everybody said yes.. ..I thought that was like a point-of-no-return thing, so you can't undo that "end day now" shit. Well, I supposed.. So dec, give us a few more minutes kay? Kita didn't say yes, it needed everyone to agree to pass. I assumed the dude getting lynched wouldn't have to vote lol (so if he was actually scum he'd be wasting town's time and shit) ...good it doesn't work like that I guess... | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:50 GMT
#2972
WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST DEBEARS AUSTIN? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:52 GMT
#2973
Or something...? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:53 GMT
#2975
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:54 GMT
#2977
You are going against my roots, my bearoots. I feel joy in you not continuing our anti-bear crusade | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:55 GMT
#2978
*your | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 30 2013 23:56 GMT
#2979
inb4 Xfire keeps votes on kita | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 00:00 GMT
#2981
If he can't then....fuck the hosts I guess? The shit just said this: Coin: After using this item, you can choose any player of your choice. You'll be able to steal that player's vote for the next day. So you claimed scum because you thought Xfire's vote was set in stone? lol I said that because I thought the day already ended (because of dec's thing). | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:03 GMT
#2982
Second to TL Mafia LI | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:04 GMT
#2984
Too bad if we lynch you today kita wins though....*sigh* Live and let live I guess | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:05 GMT
#2987
...I think we should have lost to be honest. Maybe I should vote myself | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:06 GMT
#2988
On July 01 2013 09:05 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 09:04 gonzaw wrote: If it was up to me I'd make both you and kita lose. Too bad if we lynch you today kita wins though....*sigh* Live and let live I guess Does crossfire not have all that crap? I thought he's a vet medic NRA member all manner of bullshit-mobile. Doesn't he just medic you, and then I can't take either of you out? OMG LOL he can only use 1 of them at night. lol | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:06 GMT
#2989
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gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:08 GMT
#2992
Didn't you feel suspicious when we were talking in code about which item to use? Why would we do that if he has all abilities at the same time? | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:09 GMT
#2993
I feel shitty as hell for the rest of it though | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:09 GMT
#2995
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gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:11 GMT
#2998
On July 01 2013 09:09 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + I thought you were picking specific targets. Or...doing something, I don't even know what. I actually thought for a while after you got my ability that you thought I was friendly, and so were trying to steer Crossfire towards a not OP set of options.On July 01 2013 09:08 gonzaw wrote: oh, that means our secret code was in vain Didn't you feel suspicious when we were talking in code about which item to use? Why would we do that if he has all abilities at the same time? After you gave me that shit I thought you were 3P lol Or rather....I didn't give a shit. I said so when Xata died, I wouldn't play the game anymore, at least in the sense to figure out alignments and shit. Mechanically I realized that if Xfire was scum we would have lost 100% (use Votethief last night), so well I just assumed he was town and rolled with it, everybody else be damned | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:12 GMT
#3000
On July 01 2013 09:10 kitaman27 wrote: lol so what was your role that it was so bad that you never used it gonzaw? vengeful-spirit-jester who makes other people vengeful-spirit-jester or some kind of shit like that. | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:14 GMT
#3001
Had he chosen option 2, he would have had an item that would let him choose the lynch of the next day. So had Xfire known he would have gotten the shit instantly we could have gotten that one, which is better than votethief of course... ...although maybe he would have used it instantly on kita and we would have lost lol | ||
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July 01 2013 00:14 GMT
#3002
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gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:17 GMT
#3006
On July 01 2013 09:15 Crossfire99 wrote: Wait, so we voting austin now and trusting that kita is 3rd party? Austin thought kita was already getting lynched because he thought you couldn't change votes so he claimed scum. He also thought you were NRA Member Bus Driver Veteran Medic Votethief at the same time | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:18 GMT
#3008
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gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:18 GMT
#3009
On July 01 2013 09:17 kitaman27 wrote: ##Challenge Austin to Mortal Combat *Kombat | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 00:20 GMT
#3013
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July 01 2013 00:54 GMT
#3017
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gonzaw
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July 01 2013 01:31 GMT
#3020
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gonzaw
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July 01 2013 01:48 GMT
#3023
Weren't you the "Fallen Angel"? On June 26 2013 07:38 kitaman27 wrote: @gonzaw, I'm the Fallen Angel On July 01 2013 08:15 kitaman27 wrote: I am a Fallen Angel, with the role Madam Vastra. What is this "Weeping" bullshit? | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 01:53 GMT
#3025
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July 01 2013 02:29 GMT
#3030
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gonzaw
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July 01 2013 02:52 GMT
#3031
On July 01 2013 11:28 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2013 11:13 Crossfire99 wrote: 2. So you're telling me that you as a survivor, instead of shooting confirmed scum austin in your eyes with geript being lynched that same day thus knocking mafia down to 1 member according to what you think, you decided to shoot Dandel because you were afraid of getting lynched. If you actually shot austin, then we wouldn't have wanted to lynch you because that would be asinine to do as scum. You would have proved you were 3rd party and working with town in that case. I honestly thought we were going to unvote to save geript, night kill whoever, and just straight out win it today. In retrospect, austin might have been the better kill, but I thought the game was over. Mafia had the TARDIS so austin had an incredibly high chance of being protected, they would know I backstabbed them and took away a possible route to winning if things went badly, and I knew I had the mason logs to prove that I'm third party so if the mafia win fell through, I'd be able to jump on with the town win. I think you guys have to instead talk about why kita shot Dandel and not austin on D2, not D3 (not with his day vig but with his TARDIS bus) | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 03:08 GMT
#3036
I just want this shit to end as soon as possible, but I guess we don't have to make any plans or anything, you just have to throw a coin to see what item to use. One of the problems I see with kita is him "killing" Dandel back on D2 instead of shooting austin for instance. Had he killed austin, like we could have lynched geript there and there and he would have won with us on D2. It also seems weird for geript to use MK on kita out of everybody, why use that "day vig" on a 3P survivor, instead of keeping it until later perhaps? I mean, the guy who made his role IS NOT TOWN so it's not like kita will say "hey! geript is lying about his role!" because nobody would really listen to him. But if he's scum lots of things don't really make sense....and the most important one the one I was saying before: How the fuck does he know about the TARDIS? austin is ability-creator shit, we know his role because its Zepphird, so scum don't have a day DT to dt sk8 or something to know about TARDIS. Again refer to my previous chart: On June 29 2013 02:32 gonzaw wrote: Fuck it let me post it again: Option 1.0: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is scum Xatalos is scum Option 1.1: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is town Xatalos is scum Option 1.2: kita is 3rd party Xfire is town Austin is scum Xatalos is town Option 2: kita is scum Xfire is scum Austin is town Xatalos is town If you are town, then kita HAS to be 3rd party I suppose? You previously said that scum kita could have masoned sk8 on D1 and learn about the TARDIS.....but like...I kind of doubt that would have happened (why would scum kita mason sk8 out of all people?), and I would doubt sk8 would gladly tell kita all about his role right off the bat Also, if that was the case then wouldn't sk8 find it weird kita calling out the guy with the TARDIS on N1, then claiming he's survivor that needs the TARDIS? Like, imagine the convo: Kita: Hi sk8! Whats up! Sk8: Oh nothing just chilling with mah TARDIS Kita: :O what is a TARDIS!? Sk8: Oh nothing, this shit that makes me invincible. Hey, do you want it? Kita: Sure Sk8: Okay, I'll give it to solstice instead, but if you ask it in the thread anonymously I'll give it to you and never answer any questions! Kita: Oh okay. Oh by the way the TARDIS was mentioned in my role PM so I already know about it, so when I claim that later don't be surprised! Sk8: Pfff but of course, why would I assume otherwise? Kita: Beats me! Haha Sk8: Haha! Kita: Haha! Sk8: Haha! Okay, I have to fill my daily quota of anti-town and thread confusion, see ya! Oh, I'll never mention this to anybody ever, even when you claim 3P who may be scum! Kita: That's perfect! Bye! Yeah...I doubt that would happen. What other way would scum kita know about TARDIS? | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 03:10 GMT
#3037
Or alternatively just reread kita's filter and see if he's pushing scum objectives before his apparent mason convo with geript (basically before D3).. ....but yeah...I'm not doing that sorry, too tired | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 03:34 GMT
#3041
+ Show Spoiler + kitaman27 06-29-2013 04:46 PM ET (US) Are you guys around to unvote as well? 96 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 04:23 PM ET (US) Just don't let the get a lynch, vote for bc 95 kitaman27 06-29-2013 03:54 PM ET (US) *poke* *poke* 94 kitaman27 06-29-2013 02:48 PM ET (US) *poke* 93 kitaman27 06-29-2013 01:27 PM ET (US) So who are we going to vote for? 92 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 11:53 AM ET (US) K sounds good. I'm not sure who were going to be NK tonight. 91 kitaman27 06-29-2013 11:26 AM ET (US) Sent it in. 90 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 11:10 AM ET (US) I like the Dandel shot today. Then we can kill Xfire tonight. 89 kitaman27 06-29-2013 10:58 AM ET (US) Do you remember what gonzaw's role is? xfire sounds like he has a strong role, so we might either have to shoot him today or tonight. Also, dandel is had a double voter on day one and didn't vote on day two so it is possible that he still has that power. He said he lost all his powers, but we might need to shoot him just to be safe. 88 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 02:50 AM ET (US) Think about it this way... If you are a survivor then there's no way for you to lose with us because we have no reason to turn on you whatsoever. If you are a 3P non-survivor, your best chance is to play to a draw with me which I'm perfectly fine doing. I owe you that at least for playing with you in the game. So basically you can go to hit Xfire, Gonzaw, BC or Dandel. Any of those force a draw in 3:3 vote at worst. If things don't work out then we both likely lose regardless. Make sense? 87 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 12:27 AM ET (US) Or scum team. If you're scum or survivor you can win with us and we will help you. 86 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-29-2013 12:27 AM ET (US) I will not backstab you so long as you do not backstab me 85 kitaman27 06-28-2013 10:51 PM ET (US) Heh promise not to backstab me? 84 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 10:36 PM ET (US) Just kill an obvious townie 83 kitaman27 06-28-2013 10:33 PM ET (US) So is it you and 1 other and we win through night actions or do we have enough votes to actually lynch a townie? 82 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 10:27 PM ET (US) He shouldn't be 81 kitaman27 06-28-2013 10:22 PM ET (US) Ya I can kill someone. I take it WoS isn't an issue? 80 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 09:33 PM ET (US) If you can kill Gonzaw, Dandel or Xfire, then we can win. 79 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 09:31 PM ET (US) Can you kill someone? 78 kitaman27 06-28-2013 07:38 PM ET (US) Well do we have the votes to just lynch BC? 77 kitaman27 06-28-2013 07:00 PM ET (US) Well that worked out nicely 76 kitaman27 06-28-2013 06:22 PM ET (US) If you guys want to avoid the whole "scum can't use tardis twice" rule, you can pass it to me and I'll pass it back. 75 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:47 PM ET (US) Not sure it's aimed at you. Besides, I protected you last night. 74 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:45 PM ET (US) If you have it, why not bus that shot BC aimed at me? Edited 06-28-2013 05:45 PM 73 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:38 PM ET (US) Not saying, but I'm not worried about it. 72 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:29 PM ET (US) So you guys have it? 71 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 05:09 PM ET (US) No not worried about Tardis at all. 70 kitaman27 06-28-2013 05:01 PM ET (US) Do you not worry about gonzaw being protected? If you guys don't have the TARDIS, someone must have it, unless my aids broke it. Edited 06-28-2013 05:01 PM 69 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:58 PM ET (US) lol that wasn't real :p 68 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:58 PM ET (US) Just shoot gonzaw. WoS is lying. 67 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:57 PM ET (US) I told you you can't do shit to WoS... 66 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:54 PM ET (US) Also, if BC has his vet, then whoever has the TARDIS between BC or gonzaw is likely protecting gonzaw. Are you sure you wouldn't rather have me take out an easier target? 65 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:51 PM ET (US) Hmm? 64 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:49 PM ET (US) If we don't do you think it will matter? 63 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:45 PM ET (US) If I shoot gonzaw today, do we have the numbers to avoid a majority lynch? 62 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:38 PM ET (US) Can't shoot ever again? That's complete bs. Then just shoot gonzaw first. 61 kitaman27 06-28-2013 04:28 PM ET (US) Can't busdrive. If I shoot today, I can't shoot again. 60 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:18 PM ET (US) If you can busdrive something, busdrive it to Gonzaw 59 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 04:16 PM ET (US) Can you kill anyone? We'll likely shoot at BC/Gonzaw and you should at either BC or Dandel the following day. 58 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:41 PM ET (US) What's going to happen after that? We lose communication at the point so we might as well plan long term. 57 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:38 PM ET (US) Pending nothing else happening just shoot me last second. Otherwise shoot Gonzaw. 56 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:34 PM ET (US) The concern would be if the town realizes that another mafia player's role has more value than yours. 55 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:31 PM ET (US) That's not hard. I've flat out scum claimed and have a red check. 54 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:26 PM ET (US) Just need to make sure that the lynch remains on you I guess. 53 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:25 PM ET (US) Just make sure they don't have time to move a vote. 52 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:24 PM ET (US) Yes. 51 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:19 PM ET (US) Are we sure that an additional night cycle favors mafia and not town? 50 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:19 PM ET (US) lol the role must have changed since I wrote it. You could absorb a kp aimed at someone else, but you would still die. What I sent in is that the first time you get shot, you don't flip and come back 24 hours later without any powers. 49 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:16 PM ET (US) Well. Die ish. 48 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:15 PM ET (US) Yay. It's optional. Just shoot me last second and I'll die. 47 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:13 PM ET (US) Wording makes it sound optional. Asking if I can choose to not absorb. 46 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:10 PM ET (US) You made my role right? Remember I absorb 1 KP each day/night. 45 kitaman27 06-28-2013 03:04 PM ET (US) 2 hits? Will 1 kp not be enough to take you out? 44 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:02 PM ET (US) Don't worry about doing damage control. Just do your best to stay alive yourself. Right now your abilities are good for us. 43 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 03:01 PM ET (US) For right now just ignore killing Xata, Xfire and Austin. Please take care of Gonzaw. Scum will remove do something else. If you can deal 2 hits to me last second that'd be cool too. 42 kitaman27 06-28-2013 02:53 PM ET (US) lol you crazy. Might as well tell me if Xata is scum or not so we can either win or do damage control. 41 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 02:50 PM ET (US) Sent's post was either a badly thought out joke considering my role or actual kill. I'm just very confused whether or not I'm alive. 40 kitaman27 06-28-2013 02:47 PM ET (US) So rather than winning the game, you're shooting yourself? I'm not sure I follow. 39 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 02:41 PM ET (US) I am currently dead I will check. 38 kitaman27 06-28-2013 02:40 PM ET (US) Huh? 37 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-28-2013 02:39 PM ET (US) I don't think I can post right now otherwise I would. 36 kitaman27 06-28-2013 02:05 PM ET (US) *poke* 35 kitaman27 06-28-2013 09:44 AM ET (US) Can you at least confirm that there are 3 mafia remaining or that the mafia kp is 1 or 2? 34 kitaman27 06-28-2013 09:43 AM ET (US) In the event that our communication gets cut off for whatever reason, have your scum buddies communicate with me by including an XD smiley in their post. 33 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 11:57 PM ET (US) I think there are 2-3 solid town targets, obviously you can't target BC today because of vet. Gonzaw is the obvious pick, but if you don't like him then perhaps think about Dandel. Plus, you need to wait to see if I get temp-gack'd. Plus, I will continue to find a way to tell you what you need to know when you need to know it. 32 kitaman27 06-27-2013 11:18 PM ET (US) It certainly was. Do you think it's more likely that I'm town and will out the scum team to the thread or more likely that I'd accidentally shoot a scum player because I'm felt in the dark? -_- At least give me something to work with. 31 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 10:57 PM ET (US) I thought my art was pretty fantastic. 30 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 09:29 PM ET (US) Meh i'm getting tired. 29 kitaman27 06-27-2013 09:08 PM ET (US) Careful whatever nonsense gonzaw is asking of you. Don't want to quote him or trigger some silly bomberman code word. 28 kitaman27 06-27-2013 09:05 PM ET (US) Such as? Is it safe to assume that there are 3 mafia remaining at least? 27 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 09:03 PM ET (US) So why are you keeping secrets from me? 26 kitaman27 06-27-2013 08:12 PM ET (US) Lovers don't keep secrets from each other. 25 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 08:08 PM ET (US) btw, i was really hoping to become your star crossed lover. *tear* 24 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:58 PM ET (US) Just hold off on the kill to see how things shake out. It's in both our best interests to consider using you assassinate on me to blank me for the vote at the last minute and not give them time to do shit. 23 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:56 PM ET (US) He is dead for good as far as I know. 22 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:41 PM ET (US) Any idea if WoS is dead for good? Was he town? 21 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:39 PM ET (US) If I day vig a player, do we control the lynch or is the double vote/extra vote something we have to worry about? 3v3v1? 20 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:38 PM ET (US) The Alliance You win when all Anti-Town forces are dead. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. Come up with a scenario where we could possibly not win together? 19 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:33 PM ET (US) Because I'm not sold on you being survivor, simple as that. Doesn't mean we can't work toegether, just means that the amount of information i give you becomes severely limited. 18 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:31 PM ET (US) Why not? The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. Am I missing something? You don't want to work with your ally? 17 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) Well you know mine. Not telling you the rest of them. 16 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) What are the mafia abilities? 15 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 07:11 PM ET (US) No, you're clearly not town. I don't think scum has the tardis, at least not as far as i know. but it won't hurt to do anything. In the least, let's see if I can grab a KP or something or whoever I protected. That'll let you kill me in the last 5-10 minutes or so. It prevents me from being dead dead and negates a lynch giving us a free kp. 14 kitaman27 06-27-2013 07:06 PM ET (US) You don't trust me that much? The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. Do you think I'm town? Otherwise, you win with me. There is absolutely no other way around it. Ask Deconduo if you have to. Consult with your scumbuddies if you must, but I think its pretty clear I'm not town considering how much attention I've drawn to myself to try to keep you guys alive. Is it correct to assume that is is 4v3v1 right now? If so, town does not control the majority. I need to know if you guys have the TARDIS to determine who it would be save to hit. The TARDIS holder has the ability to self protect or bus during the day so we don't want a kp aimed back at ourselves. Dandel had a double vote and I think someone else mentioned a vote steal, but I don't remember. There is also at least one town kp in play from what I can tell. 13 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:30 PM ET (US) I just don't trust you. 12 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:29 PM ET (US) Sorry Kita, but I don't trust you that much. Plus your kills strongly indicate 3p non survivor. Lets be honest we both need Gonzaw dead. 11 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:25 PM ET (US) I'm not sure what draining the TARDIS did, but that thing is incredibly town favored. I assume it's not in scum hands? What is the mafia kp formula? I have an anonymous day vig still. I took the Doctor out for you guys on day one. Might as well list the mafia team and the abilities we have to work with. I see no reason not to be honest with each other. 10 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) Very little. You still have your KP? 9 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:20 PM ET (US) Mortal combat is fake, right? I thought I designed it as one time use. 8 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:19 PM ET (US) I'm not a serial killer if that's what you're suggesting. The Church You win when all Town forces are dead. You can win with any third party faction in existence, including myself We aren't in a good position? What do we have to work with? 7 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:17 PM ET (US) Regardless of whether you're a survivor or not, we need to work together. 6 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:16 PM ET (US) Ok so you're 3 P and I'm scum. Lets be honest, neither of us are in good position, how can we help each other. 5 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:15 PM ET (US) <3 you too 4 kitaman27 06-27-2013 06:14 PM ET (US) No idea why I typed geript as my name -_- 3 Geript 06-27-2013 06:14 PM ET (US) lol you tried to day vig the survivor. What a jerk :p So can we end this? 2 GeriptPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 06:07 PM ET (US) <3 you 1 deconduoPerson was signed in when posted 06-27-2013 05:56 PM ET (US) QT for Kita and Geript. For example, this is the QT I had with Acro, the format and shit checks almost exactly (with the exception of the "Person was signed in when posted" which I don't get below for some reason) 12 gonzaw 06-24-2013 05:57 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE SCUM!!! WHy do you have to wreck my home!? You killed my beloved Susan ;_; Now Christopher will have no mother ;_; You bastards! 11 gonzaw 06-24-2013 02:32 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE But I am home! Sweet sweet home. Where's Christopher? He needs to do his homework for school tomorrow! CHRISS! WHERE ARE YOU CHRIIIIIIIIIIIS? 10 Acrofales 06-24-2013 02:18 PM ET (US) You're drunk. Go home. 9 gonzaw 06-24-2013 01:37 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Hi family! I'm home from work! Where's dinner? 8 gonzaw 06-23-2013 08:14 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE There are 5 unique views. 1)deconduo 2)Sentinel 3)me 4)you 5)?? Yeah I don't trust it either, let's just speak in normal thread (if there's a hidden scum reading this fuck you!)Edited 06-23-2013 08:15 PM 7 gonzaw 06-23-2013 08:13 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE I thought you had Zepphirds role lol 6 Acrofales 06-23-2013 07:50 PM ET (US) I didn't create this channel. I assumed you did. This is fucking weird and I don't trust it at all. EDIT: and of course I didn't fucking shoot s0lstice. 1. I never suspected him and 2. I was away in the park. Also, my role can be confirmed by whoever created it as not having a vigi or a mason part. Other than the extra vote it has a secondary thing which I don't intend on using (not because it's bad, but because it should be unnecessary).Edited 06-23-2013 07:53 PM 5 gonzaw 06-23-2013 06:45 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE I created a role that is a mason with vigilante abilities. It isnt even a dayvig, its an anytime-vig. Okay Acro, please tell me wtf is going on if not I'll out you as this "anytime-vig" thing that shot solstice, which is apparently what is going on. 4 gonzaw 06-23-2013 06:29 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Zeph I'm pretty sure it was my mason-dayvig role. And I think I know who has the role. Did you kill solstice? wtf? lol Or is this mason thing NOT Zepphirds mason thing? 3 gonzaw 06-23-2013 05:28 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE Sorry for "lynching" your role dude ;_; Christ, I'll do some uni work now and come back with a clear head later 2 gonzaw 06-23-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) EDIT DELETE wut 1 deconduo 06-23-2013 05:17 PM ET (US) This is a mason QT for Gonzaw and Acrofales. You may only communicate here, and not through PMs. You may only post here until the start of the next night phase (72 hours) To "fake" that log in a reasonable time, kita and geript should have created an actual QT at some point, make all those posts, and after done copy+paste it, and then alter all timestamps (and the OP so it shows deconduo of course). When would they do this? This seems like an awful lot of work, SPECIALLY faking the timestamps Hmm, wait a minute. The timestamp there says that the QT was created at this time: 06-27-2013 05:56 PM ET (US) That would correspond to this post in the thread (at that time): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=96#1919 After geript was revealed as mafia with the dt check, I used my mason ability to contact him. Here is the log of our conversation. It is in reverse order and it would be a bit too time consuming to fix. This is when BC revealed his check on geript: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=101#2006 Which was this time in ET (US) I believe: 06-28-2013 05:23 AM ET (US) You made your QT 24hs before you apparently "masoned" geript. So......lol I think I didn't mess up my time zone convertions (may have though, so please re-check it) | ||
gonzaw
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July 01 2013 03:40 GMT
#3043
On July 01 2013 12:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Look at what is redacted in scum's role pms I'm sure there could be something in there about the TARDIS. Possibly. But I would be compelled to ask why would hosts include a mechanic from a custom PTP role into the very "heart" of the alignment PM...but that would happen no matter kita's alignment I guess (if he's 3P he would also get, in his "alignment PM" info about something a player made for a role) Also, if kita is 3rd party survivor then this game is 12-3-1. Do you really think that is balanced? Yeah here I side with kita. Both 12-3-1 and 12-4 seem fine to me. For instance this game had 8 townies and 2 scum and 1 SK: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558 Why can't this game have 1 more scum and 4 more townies, but "degrade" the 3P from SK to survivor? I mean, I'd say it's like this: 1 scum -> 4 town 2 scum -> 8 town 3 scum -> 12 town See nothing wrong there But yeah...apparently the scumteam failed to re-check their timestamps themselves and kita is lying off his ass about the QT....or I missed something or did something wrong with calculations | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 03:41 GMT
#3044
On July 01 2013 12:38 kitaman27 wrote: I'm pretty sure Korea and the Eastern Time Zone are more than an hour apart. I'm basing everything in ET and my own timezone (-3 GMT, or ET+1). Please point out where I fucked up...if I did | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 03:43 GMT
#3046
Carry on then | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 03:45 GMT
#3047
Gonna keep reading that shit then | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 03:45 GMT
#3049
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 03:50 GMT
#3052
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 03:54 GMT
#3056
grab a seat, put your belt on, and enjoy the 40-hour-long-wall-of-text-discussing-kita ride | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 03:55 GMT
#3057
On July 01 2013 12:54 kitaman27 wrote: When something is completely obvious from your own perspective, it is incredibly frustrating when others don't see the same thing. I kind of want to believe you...but I don't want to appear more moronic if I'm wrong | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 03:58 GMT
#3059
On July 01 2013 12:56 kitaman27 wrote: lol better celebrate now Acro while you have the chance. It's not like you guys will be winning the one that counts :p Yep, we are going to win that one. Cavani 4 life | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 06:10 GMT
#3061
So, imagine the chances of kita being 3P survivor are X%. If we lynch kita, we have a 50% chance of winning (by blocking austin's KP tonight). If we lynch austin, we either win with X% chance (kita 3P), or lose with 100-X% (kita scum) So, the question you should ask yourself is: Are the chances of kita being 3P and telling the truth more than 50% or less than 50%? Depending on which chance you take, which action we should choose. The other (very important) factor...is shame lol If we lynch kita and he's 3P, you can just say "Oh well, let's move on" and that's it. You could even blame it on kita for being so scummy and playing against town But if we lynch austin and kita is scum and we lose, then I'll never forgive myself for "falling" for that lol So in that sense lynching kita is "safer" (regardless of the chances of him being scum or 3P) To be honest, right now I think it's a little bit higher than 50%. Like 65% or 70% so. I dunno...I guess some of the stuff he says makes sense and if he was scum would not make much sense. Some of the stuff he says is kind of null though. I'll just respond to this shit I guess and see where it goes: On July 01 2013 12:05 kitaman27 wrote: When I shot S0l on day one, austin, Meapak, and geript were all outed based on my action. This...kind of makes sense. Town sentiment was against austin so scum would have figured out he would be a potential counterlynch to avoid NL on D1. Him or Zepphird. However, if they planned that with scum kita, wouldn't scum be...like there doing shit? Not a single scum is doing anything after the shot. You would try to think they would either: -Try to get the lynch onto Zepphird -Try to get people to NL It doesn't make sense to just leave ALL townies in direct control of the counter lynch and not do a single thing (like, not a single scum made a single post until after deadline passed). The fact not a single scum made a post does make it seem unplanned, and if kita is scum then by definition it can't be unplanned (unless he did it on his own for the lulz). This gives more points to 3P kita than scum kita. When geript day vig'd me, there was no reason to implicate myself in killing dandel. As scum buddies, he could have challenged sk8r, and the bus could have been done in secret. Here....it "seems" like it makes sense but not so much. Okay, imagine scum geript and scum kita decide to use geript's day vig to shoot a townie, but they don't want to basically claim scum in-thread; how would you do it? Make scum kita (who's getting wagoned) claim 3P, have scum geript MK him, and have them use TARDIS to kill townie of their choice. Things in favor of scum kita: I still can't believe scum geript would just randomly use his day vig on the 3P instead of saving it, or use it on a townie he FoSed earlier or something. Like...no it doesn't make sense other than a senseless "gain town cred" action. This is the reason I kind of thought of geript as "confirmed town" before, because this action as scum if kita is not scum with him doesn't make sense Only thing that makes sense is it was planned to kill a townie...if not why waste the bullet like that? Just don't use it and that's it, lynch kita, who is the guy that MADE YOUR ROLE, and after he dies keep the shit hidden until you need it later to kill a townie (granted not used as a vig shot per se because townies have to vote, but you can use it later when you want a scummy townie killed)... ...hmm, although since people have to vote it's more of a minilynch. I guess using it on a super townie is impossible (basically they can't use it on someone they WANT to kill), so they have to use it on kita or on a scummy townie (like sk8, etc). In that case geript might even "lose" the fight and not get the dude lynched. Even if he does he will be held accountable for a direct town flip, and he can't push that guy anymore. Using it on a confirmed anti-town could give him free town points I guess... ....still....doesn't make much sense to not just keep hold of it for a while longer Thinks in favor of 3p kita: The Dandel kill mostly. If scum kita and scum geript use the TARDIS shit, they can anonymously kill anybody they want. They can kill BC who IS A DT and was basically confirmed town by then. They could kill me who was pretty townie back then and they didn't know my role. They could have killed a townie they thought had a good role, like Kurumi (he outed himself as inventor-er by then I believe). Yet they choose Dandel, who wasn't really the "confirmed town" force, nor seemed to have a known good role by then. Like, the blame would have been on kita as well. After the Dandel "kill" everybody thought kita was scum anyways, why not just put that blame on him and keep going on? geript would have 0 blame basically unless people figured that shit out (if he tried to appear pro-town a little bit more people might have not figured that out). If they are scum and made this super plan....just to kill Dandel...it feels pointless as well. Kita killing Dandel to "avoid getting lynched" isn't very convincing...but makes more sense than the above Scum had no knowledge of the TARDIS role, yet I did. There's no way to prove this. Scum can feign ignorance of the TARDIS in-thread. Unless there's a scum action (night kill, etc) regarding the TARDIS that proves that. If so feel free to provide it. Kurumi confirmed that I drained the TARDIS. I don't see how this has to do with anything. It is possible you drained the TARDIS by getting it. It's possible the TARDIS is drained by constant uses (like I stated earlier). Like...not even you know why it was drained before and I doubt you 100% know why it was drained now. I passed the TARDIS to a town player. Hmm....kind of makes sense.... ...although not so much. Well, at that point kita was trying to seem pro-town...at least a little tiny bit. But you shot of Dandel, and after N2 you went anti-town as hell. Maybe as scum you passed the TARDIS to a townie YOU WOULD KILL THAT NIGHT so: -You could get the TARDIS back after that guy died (just like scum got it on D3) -You could reset the "mafia counter" restriction the TARDIS has by having it pass hands to a townie first -Gain town cred and keep playing the "I'm survivor" slick, and not just be confirmed scum So...this is rather null instead. I have mason logs with a mafia player. Yeah...those are kind of compelling. I'll have to reread them though. Just a quick question: What is the TL Mafia history on fake chat logs? I think some scum members at some other PM game faked chat logs between each other. Do you (Xfire+kita) have any idea which game, and how complex, etc it was? I.e if it faked timestamps and all that shit? If kita was scum trying to pass himself as 3P survivor...and he and geript went through ALL that length to create those fake logs to basically never show them? (I would assume he AND geript both faked them before geript died, and it wasn't just kita that faked the A FEW HOURS AGO all by himself. The dude there does sound like geript in a way, and it'd be more natural for both of them to "fake" discuss shit and post it as a "chat log") Like...kita never even said he had those logs before either. He said he chatted with geript...but like once in a forgettable post. If scum kita's plan was convincing us he was 3P survivor, then he could have shown those logs sooner (once geript was lynched for instance), or he could have tried harder. Right now it does seem he just had those logs hidden somewhere and just quickly copy+pasted them to make his other post. It's too much of an elaborate plan that doesn't make much sense otherwise. I claimed survivor from the start of the game. Yep, this is true and I don't remember a scum crumbing an ANTI-TOWN ROLE in their 1st post, specially the anti-town role they will base THEIR WHOLE GAME STRATEGY on. This just....doesn't feel right for scum kita. Like, if he crumbed veteran or hell maybe even survivor but in like his 10th post or some shit, something that nobody will notice, then I get it. But doing it right off the bat in his 1st post is.....well...possible I guess, but not really likely. Xfire, can you confirm that if you shoot the guy with the TARDIS, you get the TARDIS yourself? Or is it distributed randomly? Most importantly, kita, was it told to you anything about that? You say that once sol claimed The Doctor (or WOS claimed for him anyways), you shot him to see if he had the TARDIS to get it. But....how would you know if you could get the TARDIS by shooting him YOURSELF? Why couldn't you wait 10 minutes for him to get lynched instead (if the TARDIS just randomly goes to someone else no matter how the guy dies)? Another thing that bothers me is kita's behaviour. He seemed to be working for scum BEFORE geript was revealed as 3P. Like, back in D2 you made those cases on austin and sk8, you seemed "somewhat" pro-town. But as soon as Dandel died, you played for scum right there. You made no cases, you shitted up the thread, trolled, said "guys im survivor dont lynch me lololo" which seemed like a scum's failed attempt at trolling and appearing like he cares about what people think about him. At times you seemed like you didn't really care about your survival. Like people would say "okay I'll shoot kita tonight" or "okay we lynch kita tomorrow" or even in D3 when people wanted to lynch you...you didn't seem to give a shit. If you were survivor, without any knowledge about what scum are doing (and from your POP alone in the game), then you WOULD give a shit The only ways you wouldn't give a shit would be: 1)You had contacted scum previously, and they already told you they would protect you and had lynches worked out so you wouldn't have to worry 2)You are scum, thus you can just shit up the thread all you want, never give a shit, and you can even be lynched later and you don't care because your work for your scumteam was already made. This last bit is the one that makes me doubt just believing you outright If you have anything interesting to say about this kita then be my guest. Tomorrow I'll try rereading your filter from the Dandel shot (D2) to start of D3 to check the above stuff. Another thing is that (while skimming your log with geript) you two don't really seem to talk about the protection geript apparently had on you (or I missed it), nor any protection from a lynch or whatever that is. Again, I'd assume that if you were survivor you'd care more about.....surviving. EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHERS thought you were scum (they THOUGHT YOU WERE SCUM, and they thought that ever since N2 when you were playing for scum apparently, was that the play for 3P survivor you wanted to make?) and would kill you in a heartbeat with anything you got, weren't you worried about fulfilling your win-con by then? Like, weren't you worried about town vig shots, or like the freaking lynch of D3? I don't see you too worried nor try to get info from geript based on that. If I missed a crucial bit in that log then point it out. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 17:46 GMT
#3074
austin if kita had to be the last man standing as 3P...he'd have factional KP, that's like a fact. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 17:50 GMT
#3075
Like, imagine you guys didn't let geript get lynched last day and NLed or lynched a townie. Imagine it being 1v2v1 or 2v1 today (scum and kita). What would "anti-scum" kita do? You guys outnumber him, he gets insta-lynched or insta-killed at night (if he doesn't have the tardis). Well, he was outed by D2 and almost lynched maybe that was a risk he was going to take... ...but he played too pro-scum to do shit like that imo. Oh well, didn't even read your posts lol might wanna do that | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 18:00 GMT
#3077
Kita would most likely lie about shit to avoid getting lynched today as well (even if he's 3P survivor or some shit I guess). Meh, I'll reread and shit and reconsider, we have time. Also, you guys could like vote each other or something, so it's easier for us to voteswitch and shit. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 18:29 GMT
#3083
On July 01 2013 22:58 kitaman27 wrote: There is no way to prove this, but you're rarely going to get proof of something in a mafia game. You have to determine what is most likely. It is incredibly unlikely that a mafia player would have knowledge of a town role. Why would they? I assume you "supposedly" didn't have full knowledge of the TARDIS other than "you win if you get this shit called TARDIS". Why can't scum just know there exists a TARDIS in the game? It wouldn't give them any more info about it (that it makes you a vet/busdriver, etc). It's possible. I mean, until know I didn't believe ANYBODY ELSE would have a role or win con tied directly to some shit some player made up to create a role. First time I see that "If you don't choose a new player to give the TARDIS to after having used it once or if a player dies while in possession of the TARDIS, it will be randomly distributed to some other player still alive in the game." Killing Kurumi wouldn't guarantee it was returned to me. I gave a self-protect/busdrive ability to the town inventor when I didn't have to. Sk8r was town so there was no restriction on passing. Hmm...Kurumi was indeed the town inventor-er, who apparently scum wanted dead so much. But it is possible maybe, you as scum or SK or whatever knew the TARDIS would be drained after you got it and used it or whatever, so you would pass it to Kurumi and kill him at night (he wouldn't prot himself since TARDIS was deactivated then), and then get the TARDIS again later (either by chance, or by killing the townie that got it, etc etc). Speaking of which, right now you don't have the TARDIS (austin has it). Arent' you like confirmed to lose now? The only way you can win is if we lynch austin and you get lucky (33% chance) that you get the TARDIS after he dies. If not I or Xfire get the TARDIS, all scum are dead so we win, but you don't have the TARDIS so you lose. On July 02 2013 00:40 austinmcc wrote: Based on the other points, he's lying about some things and his role doesn't match up with him being a survivor. Yeah how about you make it easier for us and point that shit out? What exactly makes his story as survivor "reek" but makes sense as SK-ish? You know, the lying "survivor" with a vigi shot and a "lovers" thing that is AWFUL for a survivor (see below). You think hosts balance alignments of 3P based on the role he got? So...what if they had my role then? Wtf would that 3P be? Jester/Town Idiot? Or they looked at which role everybody got, and then decided "yes, the guy that gets THIS role gets to be 3P survivor, the guy that gets this other role will be 3P SK", etc? That last one could have made sense I guess. But why wouldn't they just give a SK a factional KP, ON TOP of his PTP role? I mean, scum had factional KP and they had lots of PTP roles with abilities and shit, why can't a SK have that either? (of course it may not have been too balanced, but just increase some townies to 16 or 17 and that shit is good to go) So what role would you say fits a survivor more than the one kita got? Although now this 3rd alternative was presented yes (1- kita scum, 2-kita townie survivor, 3-kita antitown 3P) Hmm, Xfire, do you think kita can still be scum now? I kind of want austin to do some more shit to be sure he's not (he could start by voting kita). | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 18:55 GMT
#3087
On July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote: bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it. I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here. Actually there is. On July 02 2013 00:42 austinmcc wrote: He didn't tell Crossfire he had limited shots. Zephirdd didn't say anything about limited shots. Three is an odd number to be limited to. The likely conclusion? He's not actually limited on shots. He has some angle when he was talking to geript, and it slipped his mind when changing to crossfire and he didn't alter his PM. I don't really care about him lying to confirmed scum (that is actually pro-town lol) (wouldn't mind a thorough explanation of why he was stabbing scum in the back with it though) Everybody and their mother knew he has unlimited shots. Like...that's why we are even debating this shit. If we didn't figure out he could have unlimited shots we would have lynched you in a heartbeat and lynch him on D5 (since he wouldn't have any KP whatsoever to kill me or Xfire). Also I dunno where you get the "three shot" thing. He shot solstice on D1, and Dandel on D3. If he was indeed talking with geript before shooting Dandel on D3, then that would have been his 2nd shot, not 3rd. Not that it matters though On July 02 2013 00:43 austinmcc wrote: Kita told geript he was a mafia traitor. + Show Spoiler + 113 Geript 06-27-2013 06:31 PM ET (US) Dude give me some credit. And not Traitor is comple bullshit on top of it. 112 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:25 PM ET (US) Uuuuuuurg. We should have considered traitor with only 3 mafia. I'd been thinking he'd be an assassin or some other 3rd party with KP to help drop numbers. 111 austinmcc 06-27-2013 06:23 PM ET (US) Don't overplay it. Oh goddamn it. Figure out if there's a way to activate it or something I guess. Do NOT tell him I'm mafia, in case he's actually some other 3P. 110 Geript 06-27-2013 06:19 PM ET (US) FYI Kita claimed mafia traitor. Idk what to believe w/ him. In mason chat w/ him. Pure copy paste from QT. Kita lied to us about his role. We didn't trust him, and any mention of that from his conversation with geript has been scrubbed away. If he's lying about his 3P role, he's not doing it for happy reasons. He's telling each side what they want to hear. So...mind telling me in which part of that convo he posted he claims traitor? Because I don't see it. Either he was in contact with geript via PMs, or one of you two is lying I suppose. (2) Kita's lovers thing is 100% at odds with him being a survivor Show nested quote + You can pick someone to be your maid by PMing the hosts at any point in the game. You and your maid are able to communicate at any point in time, however you don't know his/her role/alignment and he/she doesnt know yours. If you and your maid survive for two straight cycles(day and night, or 144 real-life hours), you become lovers, which means that if one dies, the other suicides. Geript said he'd become "star-crossed lovers" if he stayed masoned with kita - + Show Spoiler + 117 Geript 06-27-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) i'm quite sure he's some sort of 3p b/c if i stay masoned with him for so long then i become starcrossed lovers with him. (We were trying to figure out what exactly kita was) Geript did not know what that meant, or did not tell me. But look at the frigging language kita has claimed. He ties himself to another person, and if one dies, the other suicides? That's an AWFUL power for a survivor, and one you REALLY don't want to use. Not only do YOU have to survive, but now you have to make sure ANOTHER PERSON survives? You just doubled your chances of losing. And kita used his mason on geript, WHO WAS JUST CHECKED AS MAFIA (kita's version of his role says he can PM at any time to be someone's chat buddy). Geript is HIGHLY likely to die at that point, get lynched or something, but kita is planning to keep him alive overnight. Just look at that. Kita shoots geript, who fake dies on D3. He sits out a bit, then pops back into thread N3 or D4 because of his role. Kita KNOWS that, because kita created geript's role. After D3 and N3, kita becomes star-crossed lovers with RED-CHECKED GERIPT. Geript then gets lynched or killed somehow, probably, and KITA DIES BECAUSE OF HIS POWER. It's an AWFUL pairing to choose if you're kita, given the red check. And it's an AWFUL power to EVER use as a survivor, because it makes you more likely to die. But kita used it. Indicates he's NOT a survivor. So it's awful for 3P pro-town survivor....but it's not awful for 3P anti-town survivor?....lol? Check the OP, 3P HAS TO SURVIVE to win. If he's confirmed as 3P then him being lover has no bearing on whether he's an anti-town faction or town faction. Yes, most likely hosts gave him a shitty role as 3P survivor (he IS a survivor, the only thing we have to determine is if town has to kill him or not to win). I think he said something about it before in N2 or something On July 02 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote: Gonzaw, crossfire, put yourself in kita's mindset D3. He could have sided with town, killed mafia. You guys would have kept him alive then. Mafia would be so utterly screwed that we would need to focus on killing town for the rest of the game. He had an easy path as a survivor. Instead, he sided with mafia. The only purpose that serves is to drag the game out, reduce numbers, and make it so it's not a bunch of townies + kita and the townies scratching their heads wondering why they haven't won yet. Okay, so far you haven't said this but I assume this is what you are getting at: So you are saying kita is anti-town 3P survivor, which means he wins with the Church? Because of what you have posted, then 3rd parties can either be "Town" or "Anti-town" right? So there is always one faction that wins with that 3rd party, and one that doesn't? That means it's impossible for there to be a SK in this game? If he's "Anti-town" then town has to kill him, but scum can win with him right? Isn't that a little weird? Or what. Although if he can win with scum if he's "Anti-town"....it makes sense for him to...side with scum and not town lol On July 02 2013 03:46 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 02 2013 03:29 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, Xfire, do you think kita can still be scum now? You've got to be kidding me. You kid yourself dude Anyways this is entertaining at least. Having the key to kill dudes and have them fight to survive is fun. Well..Xfire has the key since he has 2 votes...but still. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 18:59 GMT
#3089
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 19:04 GMT
#3091
I'm going now and will be back later. Hopefully Xfire is active then to discuss this shit | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 22:10 GMT
#3101
You don't have to convince us there is a CHANCE kita is anti-town 3P, we already know that. You have to convince us he IS anti-town 3P. If you figure out he isn't then you have to lie I guess. I assume you are struggling to figure out if he is indeed or not and just spouting the same shit over and over But it's okay you already said what you needed to say. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 22:15 GMT
#3102
On July 02 2013 04:24 austinmcc wrote: Same thing as I've said to Gonzaw and keep repeating cuz I keep posting. I don't know what you are. But I don't like it. I just know that you're not church and that I don't trust your only-survivor claim. Yeah kita! You are so so scummy. I mean, you are not from the Church! You can't be more scummy than that! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 22:21 GMT
#3105
....like...in any other case he'd be considered pro-town hero of the day or something because of that lol. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 22:21 GMT
#3106
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 22:23 GMT
#3107
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 22:31 GMT
#3110
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 22:31 GMT
#3111
ITS YOUR LIFE MAN | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 22:33 GMT
#3112
It's a game where we may lynch someone because he lied to scum. And we have confirmed scum making cases and discussing stuff like it's a normal Tuesday. Wtf is going on? lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 23:37 GMT
#3114
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 01 2013 23:54 GMT
#3115
Our 50% chances of winning the "WIFOM roulette" may become 33% instead if we lynch kita. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 00:37 GMT
#3117
Also I feel flattered that you and geript wanted to kill me so bad on D3 for some reason lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 00:46 GMT
#3118
austin doesn't seem to counter your chat with geript though. If you had the TARDIS scum would have known by D3, thus your log with geript would be fake and austin would have known (and that's a little bit more dirt to throw on you to get you lynched today instead of him). So...meh I guess it does make more sense austin still has it and wants to play that "pfff where could it be!?" line to make us think he doesn't have it. If that's the case then most likely the TARDIS is operational. If not then I don't really get why he would lie lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 01:03 GMT
#3121
On July 02 2013 03:14 austinmcc wrote: bee tee dubs, I don't have the TARDIS. It's either winked out of existence when Kurumi died (doesn't transfer again once drained?) or kita has it. I don't think that matters, and you may not trust me, but...it wouldn't even do anything for me if I had it, so there's no reason to hide that. It wouldn't stop a lynch or help me kill you guys tonight, so...there's no real reason to lie here. I will assume everything kita said in his transcript with geript is true, since you haven't refuted it yet (except the "traitor" stuff, but you haven't refuted anything else). This means that geript knew something about the TARDIS, and it means kita doesn't have the TARDIS. Now, you said scum didn't get the TARDIS, so why would geript said scum aren't worrying about it? If scum didn't get the TARDIS, and kita just confessed he didn't have it, and nobody (even kita) knew what the "drained of energy" shit meant (i.e nobody other than Kurumi really thought it had no power at all forever), then surely you and geript would be worried a TOWNIE got it (the only other option), and the TARDIS was functioning, right? If so, did geript lie to kita? Did kita alter the log? Most importantly: Why didn't you mention any of that? You mention that geript claimed kita was traitor and that wasn't reflected in the logs. This seems like another "slip" from kita, who may have faked another stuff in the logs, something you should have noticed. You should have noticed geript claiming you guys weren't worried about the TARDIS when you actually would have. Why something you should have noticed? Well, because you are spending all your time and effort trying to throw dirt on kita and show him as anti-town 3P so you can avoid getting lynched. Would this really be something you would miss? Specially something you would have noticed back in D3 (scum not getting the TARDIS, kita not getting the TARDIS, thus town getting the TARDIS, which I think would be something you wouldn't just forget like if it wasn't important). Also there were more chances of scum getting it (2 scum vs 1 kita) back on D3. Geript might have used it and passed it onto you before dying. | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 01:09 GMT
#3122
So we have 2 contradicting logs apparently. Kita claims he has no TARDIS, posts log "proving" it. austin claims he has no TARDIS, posts log "proving" it. So who was TARDIS? inb4 Xfire has it and is mindfucking everybody | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 01:25 GMT
#3125
... ... Can austin put a link to his scum QT? >_> <_< This shit is just getting too Machiavellian and confusing, *sigh* I'm not made for this kind of "game", I just catch scum and not-town guys and make awesome roles/inventions. | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 01:48 GMT
#3130
On July 02 2013 10:30 austinmcc wrote: Oh whatever, you secretly love this stuff. Not when I'm losing | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 02:09 GMT
#3131
On July 02 2013 10:18 austinmcc wrote: Games don't ALWAYS match flavor, but the weeping angels aren't really a ... neutral party. They're a major baddie of the series. They killed some important dudes. A game in which a weeping angel could achieve victory with the Doctor, or his buddies, does not seem correct from a flavor standpoint. Why pick that name when you could go with something else? If that was the case, wouldn't kita just pick another name from DrWho trivia to tell us? I mean, nobody except hosts know he's Weeping Angel, he could just have picked a "neutral" char and tell us that name.. Unless he just didn't give a fuck about researching DrWho history? | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 02:23 GMT
#3135
On July 02 2013 11:13 austinmcc wrote: Don't know. If I were making up a name, it's not what I'd go with. So like...all I know is that if he's telling the truth, his role is a baddie in the series. But if he's lying...why pick that name? Moreover, he already claimed "Fallen Angel," so...either it's his real role name OR he made up a SECOND role name? So I'm left with the simplest option being he didn't think when saying his rolename. We were at a point in the game where I'd just claimed scum. I dunno about you guys, but I wasn't thinking clearly last night. He may have been super delighted that I claimed, that he was going to lynch me instead of himself, and slipped up. He claimed "Fallen Angel" back in D2. Surely the shit is the same (or are Fallen Angels and Weeping Angels different shit in the show?) | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:07 GMT
#3140
On July 02 2013 11:26 kitaman27 wrote: As far as I know, Fallen Angel doesn't exist in the series...though I'm pretty sure it is a magic card :p ...so why did you claim Fallen Angel? | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:20 GMT
#3146
Like...I could understand one of them faking one log (while the other one is legit). But both fake? Dunno man that shit seems just too much work for scum if they will be 2v1 tomorrow (and if austin is lynched will 100% win). If both of them were scum then couldn't austin just go AFK so he doens't post the "incriminating" shit against kita? He goes AFK, kita sweet talks us into lynching the confirmed scum, no one of us even thinks about the possibility of kita being anti-town 3P, scum win without a hitch. Surely in that case scum have the game won...why go through the long ass process of faking like 100 posts from QTs? It's likely kita is 3P, austin is scum, some of their QT logs are real, and maybe some are faked (or maybe one of them is completely fake I guess). If kita is scum, then he faked that convo with geript. Therefore the "star shit" was an invention of his and didn't actually happen If kita is anti-town 3P he could have still faked that convo, and the "star shit" could have still be an invention of his. Therefore that "star shit", even if true (i.e it was fake), doesn't necessarily mean kita is 100% scum ...like whatever if we decide to lynch kita it's not like I care if he's scum or anti-town 3P | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:27 GMT
#3150
It's an unknown factor I dunno if I should take into account to determine kita's alignment. I.e if he faked the convo because there was no way geript would know about that shit if the convo was real. Hosts could have easily told geript the lover thing in the mason PM. I mean, they didn't tell Xata he was RBed....anything can happen. Maybe it was some random shit regarding flavor. Maybe geript's role is kita's role lover or some shit I dunno. Do these possibilities exist? Yes Does the possibility it was fake and kita is scum or anti-town convo faker? Yes ....so which one do we believe? I honestly have little idea so I just decided to ignore that detail and put it as "unknown". I don't think we should wager the whole game on that thing....at least based on the above (that it could go either way). If you want to kill kita still then fine go ahead, you have the votes. I doubt he's scum with austin, but well if you want we can discuss that shit and try to figure it out. But yeah, he might need town to die to win, which is my concern. We might try to figure that shit out instead (like with all the walls of text that have been flying around) | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:29 GMT
#3152
On July 02 2013 12:27 Crossfire99 wrote: I won't put anything past them gonzaw. I'm here to figure out what happened this game, so I'm gonna consider all the options even if it is remote. Well, remember we have less than 24 hours (and I'll be home for just the last 3 hours before deadline or so). We need to figure this shit out fast if we won't both be active at the same time. | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:31 GMT
#3153
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gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:33 GMT
#3155
Like, I really get these 2 anti-town dudes want to kill each other so they may actually have useful contributions in that aspect (.....that just doesn't sound right)....but yeah having just a scum and a 3P to talk to is not the best situation to make a decision >_> | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:34 GMT
#3156
Asking just in case lol | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:38 GMT
#3159
If you don't have it, it's possible one of them does and is lying. Most likely the guy wanting to fuck us up the most. That may help us decide who to lynch...maybe. | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 03:54 GMT
#3163
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gonzaw
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July 02 2013 18:12 GMT
#3189
On July 02 2013 15:00 Crossfire99 wrote: SK is similar but different. He needs to be the only survivor at the end and kill everyone. This means that he usually has some form of KP to help accomplish this. His mentality is similar to a survivor in that he wants to blend in early game when he is unsure about who is going to win, but is different in that once he sees one side starting to win, he wants to play against that side to keep the game close so he has an easier chance to achieve his win condition. Well. I see 3 possibilities: 1)He wins with town 2)He wins with scum 3)He wins alone. The "SK" means 3 (there's no difference between "SK" and "Survivor" other than that win condition above). If he was indeed SK, I think it may just be too much. Not only does he have to be the LAST MAN standing, he has to get the TARDIS, activate it, and all of this with just 1 KP every 2 cycles, and apparently not being bulletproof. If he was bulletproof and was SK, then why would he side with scum on D3? Why would he even PM geript in the first place? If his and scum's plan went through (austin unvoting and voting BC for instance), then there would be 2 scum alive, like just 2 townies alive, and him. But on D4 he'd have no day vig, and he would have to vote with scum to lynch a townie. In that case scum would most likely kill the remaining townie to make it 2v1 with scum and SK kita. He would 100% lose right there. Yes, maybe there would be other possibilities, but would he contact scum and "side" with them like that if he was SK? The only explanation if he's SK would be if he wasn't bulletproof... If he was bulletproof, why side with scum if he could just take a shot at night? If he wasn't....then how the fuck is the game balanced? ...well, if he was bulletproof I guess he could side with scum if he thought all scum would get lynched in succession, and only townies would be remaining (if all scum die and game isn't over, town lynches kita 100%). He could have sided with scum to take down more townies before backstabbing scum at some point, maybe when his day vig is recharged or something... ....meh, this seems too much speculation in either way :/ The other possibility, the one I may be thinking of, is (2). He is a "traitor survivor", represents an anti-town faction, as austin said is shown in the OP, etc. He sided with scum because obviously. He may have told geript he was traitor and then altered the QT log (because in practical terms he WOULD be a traitor if he wins with scum). Still....for me a "balanced" role is either plain survivor or SK. A Survivor with no factional KP, no bulletproof, that can win with either alignment A SK with factional KP, bulletproof, that has to win alone. If you have a SK without factional KP or being bulletproof, or if you have a survivor that can't win with either alignment....I get a weird feeling because it just doesn't ring true to me. Also, speaking of the OP and shit...should we actually take everything the OP says as 100% truth? I mean, countless of other games have scum's win condition as "you win when all town is dead" or "you win when you outnumber town", yet those games have SKs. That alone proves those OPs "lied" (it should have said "you win when you are the last faction alive, along other people whose win conditions don't contradict yours" or something), yet those games exist and have SKs in them. Why can't this game be similar? In both ways: 1)Even if the OP says "Church wins when all Town are dead", it doesn't mean there isn't a SK (because of what I said above) 2)If the OP says "Alliance wins when all Anti-Town are dead" it doesn't mean there is 100% an anti-town survivor or some shit. If the hosts had said "Alliance wins when there is no more Church" then people would have gotten suspicious if they see a 3P in the game, hosts put stuff like that in the OP to be vague enough, not to have a strict rule set that is followed mechanically with every single role and faction in the game, etc. | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 18:37 GMT
#3194
My gut tells me to believe kita...because this shit is just too fucking complex if he's SK or pro-scum 3P But...if he's pro-scum "traitor", then the stuff he did makes sense (side with scum as early as possible). If he's actually traitor then I assume he did believe MZ/geript/austin/etc were scum; and if he's pro-scum traitor his actions up until the D2 Dandel shot don't really fit with him being pro-scum. The thing is that I just can't really believe he would have to be SK/traitor AND get that shitty TARDIS to win. Either you are SK/traitor or you are survivor and have to get the TARDIS. It just doesn't make much sense in my head fusing those win conditions like that on a guy that has 1 KP every 2 cycles and is a lover. If you make an SK that has to get the TARDIS NO MATTER WHAT he HAS to expose himself, like kita did on N1, and D2, etc. That puts attention on him. If he's SK then that role is very badly designed, you don't FORCE your player to have the spotlight on him if you mean for him to be the last man standing. With traitor it doesn't make sense....because it doesn't make sense. If he's traitor then all these things can happen: 1)Scum win very easily, kita doesn't have enough time to get TARDIS 2)Scum win very easily, kita already got the TARDIS via town or shit 3)Scum win very easily, they got the TARDIS very soon and they coordinated with kita so kita wouldn't have to worry about the TARDIS kita WINS 4)Scum are struggling, kita doesn't have the TARDIS 5)Scum are struggling, kita already got TARDIS from some source 6)Scum are struggling, scum already have TARDIS they can coordinate with kita easily so he doesn't have to worry about TARDIS 7)Scum are losing badly, kita doesn't have the TARDIS 8)Scum are losing badly, kita already got TARDIS from some source 9)Scum are losing badly, scum already got TARDIS Here's the thing I don't understand if this is the case: Either these are way imbalanced against kita, or they don't matter at all, or the whole TARDIS thing can very very easily be bypassed 1)In this case kita loses. He's a traitor. He might be the best traitor EVAH. But because of bad luck he didn't get the TARDIS, so he loses. Tought titties right? This scenario is completely unfair to kita who did play his win condition 2)Kita somehow fulfilled his TARDIS win-con, and scum are rolling. Kita had good luck and/or played good, he wins here. Nothing to say here other than...yeah he got lucky and or played very well for him to win like this 3)This means that if scum get the TARDIS early, not only scum face-roll the game, but they can just communicate with kita, either in-thread or via kita's mason (or other mason shit, like MZ's), and kita never has to worry about the TARDIS again? If so...why include the TARDIS shit in his win-con? kita has to play traitor and play for scum, and scum can just "win" the game for him by manipulating the TARDIS themselves? So kita has to do nothing at all regarding the TARDIS to fulfill that win condition? If so why even bother putting it in? Just make kita a normal traitor and that's it 4)Then in this case kita is fucked. He has to play pro-scum so scum can try to win this thing, but he ALSO has to do shit to get TARDIS. Shit might include exposing himself, making risky plays that would have otherwise be very bad if he wanted scum to win, etc. This is just too much work to expect of a single player. He has to play for 1 alignment and try to win the game with them, and at the same time go for a scavenger hunt for some item that gets randomly distributed to players like half of the time. On top of that he's a lover Why don't you just make kita a lover SK treestump without KP while you are at it? 5)Then nothing to see here, this just plays as if he was a normal traitor. But again, he needs some luck or very awesome plays to gain the TARDIS in that situation (and you don't balance a role assuming the guy will get lucky or pull of the plans of the century) 6)Same as (3) in the sense that the TARDIS shit then becomes the most pointless shit ever. kita would just 100% play as a traitor here and never worry about the TARDIS again. Seems like bad design to include this possibility 7)Then kita has basically 99% lost. He can do nothing to win, except pray. Even if he gets super lucky and gets the TARDIS, he would most likely neglect playing for scum (or die trying) and would lose. If he plays for scum and they make a super comeback and are set to win, he still doesn't have the TARDIS. 8)Well, he got lucky played well, but now he has to both try to survive and make scum win the game. This is either unfair to him or has no relevance 9)Same shit as before with (3) and (6) I forgot to mention something: Not only would traitor kita have to get the TARDIS, and win with scum, he would have to SURVIVE at the end of the game Normal traitor roles don't need to survive to win with scum, they just need scum to win. That's why some traitor plans involve the traitor fake-claiming shit, creating chaos and then getting lynched. He doens't give a shit about dying as long as he can help scum. But in this scenario kita would have to be ALIVE. That means he wouldn't have to get lynched, nor killed by townies, and nor killed by scum accidentally. ALL THE WHILE HE HAS TO TRY AND GET THE TARDIS SOMEHOW WHILE IT GOES FROM HAND TO HAND, TOTALLY RANDOMLY AT TIMES? How the hell could kita play a role like that? I'm inclined to believe him for now. Well....at least not believe he's survivor traitor 3P who can only win if he has the TARDIS, scum win, and he's alive at the end of the game. If he is SK then the other shit I said holds true as well. Not only does he have to be the LAST MAN STANDING, he has to get that fricking TARDIS EXPOSING HIMSELF and putting the spotlight onto him. Why? Because if he doesn't then he can'd do shit to try and get the TARDIS. Here are the only other options: 1)Try to be pro-town enough for a townie to give it to you: Well tough titties, scum just shot you at night because you are playing for town and you have no night protection 2)Try to just lay low like any SK and hope you randomly get the TARDIS at some point: Well shorty bossoms. If scum get the TARDIS they will pass it along each other, then it will be randomly given to some guy and you have like 7% chance of getting it. Townies may pass it to other townies, and even if a townie with it is killed or something you (again) have like 7% chances of getting it. You just lose the game congrats 3)Use the mason ability with someone to try and manipulate him into giving you the TARDIS without all thread knowing: Well gloomy buttocks, 2 cycles have passed and you are now a lover with that guy and you most likely lost as well. Also now that guy claimed in-thread you have the TARDIS and town will soon be looking for your head. Again, an unnecessary stuff kita has to do to obtain the TARDIS that might cost him the game as SK. He also only has 1 KP every 2 cycles. If he's at 1v1 or 2v1 or some shit he can insta-lose if he goes into the off-cycle. Also, guess what? He gets insta fucked if there's a massclaim on D1. Yes, as soon as town mass-claim on D1, or any time basically, SK kita loses the game. Zepphird would claim he made role to char X, and either kita HAS to claim he's that char. If he doesn't maybe...maybe nobody notices it is him who has that role (if there are other people with unconfirmed roles for instance, or if scum lied about some, etc). However, the moment he masons someone, the moment he gets role-checked (not even alignment-checked), the moment other roles are confirmed, he's toast. He just anonymously killed a bunch of people and is confirmed anti-town for doing so. Had he had a factional SK KP nothing would happen, he could have any role in the world and not "get caught" as SK for claiming it, etc. However: Having to get the TARDIS and win with any alignment, does make sense. There are plenty of roles like this in the past, where they are "survivors" with stuff or their sole win condition is getting a single stuff. For instance, it's similar to the roles from Arkham Asylum and Arkham City, with the Joker, etc. Those roles only cared about surviving enough to kill specific guys or gain specific items. They wouldn't have to care about making a specific faction win (or making a specific faction lose), or wouldn't have to care about not dying when doing so, etc. Another example is Gollum from LOTR Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=129#2576 Like, not only is he bulletproof there, not only can he get a list or something of people who possibly have the ring, he wins as soon as he gets it (no "surviving until end-game" shit). In this game (if kita is telling the truth) kita has no way of knowing who has the TARDIS, has no protection at night, and even if he gets the TARDIS he has to live until end-game (if he gets TARDIS and dies later, tough luck dude). If you want me to think he is FORCED to make other factions lose (if he's scum-aligned he's forced to make town lose, if he's SK he's forced to make both factions lose) then I have to say "Bullshit". ....yeah I think we could just lynch austin today. I get the feeling that even if we lynch kita we'll fuck up tonight and lose anyways. Again, 50% chance, or even lower (if austin somehow has a working TARDIS) | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 18:43 GMT
#3196
On top of the setup balance/talk shit, kita's actions seem..."weird" if he's SK or stuff like that. Generally SKs are either super pro-town (but are bulletproof), or are lurky bastards (if they aren't....or even if they are). You don't see a SK and shit being the center of attention, making plans with TARDIS, then siding with other factions, then backstabbing those factions, etc. If he's traitor as well his actions before Dandel was shot on D2 don't make much sense, he seemed convinced austin was scum and if he was traitor there would be no reason whatsoever to even make a case on him or shit like that. Although if he DOES have that role it would be difficult for him to DO ANYTHING so maybe he would take the risk with that I dunno. Before that he went against MZ, geript, austin, almost outed ALL of them with his last-minute shot, and kept going against them. Seems sloppy play if you are traitor. Granted maybe his reads sucked and thought Sk8+Xfire+Snb was the scumteam and austin+geript+MZ were all town or some shit I dunno. His actions after the D2 Dandel shot would make sense if he was traitor though. If you shift some parts of the story I guess you could make a believable story about him being traitor with bad reads on D1 desperate to gain the TARDIS, then going against austin and CO later to avoid dying on D2, then after figuring out all scum fully playing for them.....but yeah you can do the same if he's SK and the same if he's pro-town 3P so I won't even bother | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 18:44 GMT
#3197
On July 03 2013 03:42 Crossfire99 wrote: Gonzaw, the only person's word that kita has to obtain the TARDIS at some point in the game in order to win is his. Maybe all his role pm told him is: The Doctor's TARDIS exists in this game and if you obtain it and hold it for half a cycle, you become a vet." I think we should take the TARDIS win condition with a grain of salt. The only thing we can look at is his play. Was he playing like a standard survivor or was he playing like an anti-town survivor? It makes no sense for him as SK/traitor to claim in-thread to get the TARDIS and do stuff like that (even if he did it for the TARDIS protection, if he uses it to survive a shot it gets randomly distributed to someone else and he has no protection for the rest of the game most likely) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 18:50 GMT
#3201
If he was traitor, fucking shoot me and let the lynch on solstice go through If he was SK....then again shoot me or Acro, let town go crazy and shit, maybe misslynch more dudes, etc. Instead he shot A GUY THAT WAS GETTING LYNCHED That proves to me he is not SK. Hell that could prove to me he's not traitor, since he wouldn't know the scumteam's plans by then (if he did he wouldn't have shot solstice to out the whole scumteam, scum would tell him "ehmm dude, why don't you shoot gonzaw or Acro or Xata and leave this D1 misslynch be, okay? Don't wanna get austin lynched". I mean, unless the TARDIS is a super powerful shit that gives him 100 KP and makes him bulletproof or some shit I doubt kita would do that (if he DOESNT win with town). And if it does....then where is his 100 KP and bulletproof and shit? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 18:54 GMT
#3202
On July 03 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote: Gonzaw, why the wording in the OP, and why can 3Ps be town/anti-town if the only 3P is just a survivor. Why does he not post his logs with geript and shoot me on D3 if just a survivor? If the OP said "Alliance wins when Church die" and "Church wins when Alliance dies" then whoever claims 3P is "confirmed survivor" for all game long. That makes the survivor the easiest role every in this game. Just claim survivor, and do nothing. Nobody will kill you because it is confirmed in the OP that said guy wins with them Since he isn't Church, town won't care about him since town don't have to kill him based on town's win-con Since he isn't Town, scum won't care either since they don't have to kill him either If he does shit and only votes himself every cycle or some shit, then he won't be helping either of them so both factions will give even less of a shit. kita would only have to get the TARDIS, use it and pass it back, and do shit all game Does that sound like either a balanced or fun game/role to you? No, so hosts make the wording in the OP more vague so stuff (like what's happening now) happens. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:00 GMT
#3206
That's why it doesn't say "Town wins when mafia die" or "Alliance wins when Church die", it says "Town wins when anti-town die" The point is that the wording being like that doesn't 100% prove kita is SK or some shit like that. Basically, the wording is irrelevant The wording was your main case for "figuring out" kita as anti-town 3P. If the wording is irrelevant then we are at the same spot we were before, with us lynching you confirmed scum and kita just being survivor. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:07 GMT
#3209
On July 03 2013 04:00 austinmcc wrote: Or, if you say that role would be shitty, then there are MULTIPLE ways to fix it. Maybe you change the OP, sure. Or maybe you just don't include a shitty role in the game, and you include a different role instead. Again, you're working from "Kita is a survivor, survivor is a shitty role if the OP was way number 1, so the hosts made the OP way number 2 so it's not as shitty a role." But you're discarding "Survivor is a shitty role if the OP was way number 1, but instead of altering the OP to make survivor less shitty, the hosts just didn't make a survivor and made a different role instead." Ehmm...kita's role right now WOULD be shitty if he doesn't win with both factions. If what I said happened then kita would have no worries and wouldn't think his role is shitty, he has an easy win why would he? (granted if he doesn't fuck up obviously) Also, if that was the case then he'd be confirmed survivor 3P as well in this game. He just has to say this: "Hello people, I am 3P survivor. Read OP I am confirmed to win with either of you, so I won't do anything and you just won't kill me. Why would you trust me? Because I need the TARDIS to win the game. The TARDIS is an item that I can activate and it passes around people. Now there's no way the hosts would give scum knowledge of someone else's role like that. So if you are townie and created the TARDIS, please confirm this so I become confirmed 3P survivor Also please give me the TARDIS today, I'll give it back to you, and I won't bother you anymore Thanks bye" Even if he wasn't 100% confirmed survivor, it would just take him a couple of cycles to prove himself and have the easiest win ever. Like that's happening yeah. "Kita is a survivor, survivor is a shitty role if the OP was way number 1, so the hosts made the OP way number 2 so it's not as shitty a role." Yes, and this is true. If kita is really survivor, it makes sense for the OP to be the way it is. Yes, it also works the other way round, the OP is the way it is, and kita is not really survivor. However, your arguments since the beginning stemmed assuming the 1st one wasn't true basically, if not then there would be 0 reason at all to use the wording of the OP as "proof" kita is not survivor, since it would very very easily be the case if he is. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:15 GMT
#3212
On July 03 2013 04:12 austinmcc wrote: But it's not PROOF that he's a survivor either, which is how he was trying to spin it earlier, and you seem to be taking it now. It's proof that your whole "epiphany" is based on a false premise. I fail to see how the rest of the stuff you mentioned after that (with the exception of him claiming traitor to you I guess) is justified at all based on that. He had chances of being anti-town 3P before you made your "case"; and he does have chances of being anti-town 3P now yes But you making that "case" makes no difference because that premise ("kita is anti-town 3P because of the wording of the OP") is false | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 19:21 GMT
#3216
On July 03 2013 04:05 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 03:50 gonzaw wrote: The fact he shot solstice as soon as he claimed Doctor (or WOS claimed for him) which almost single-handily fucked scum, instead of like shooting me or BC or Acro, shows that he's not bullshitting with the TARDIS claim. If he was traitor, fucking shoot me and let the lynch on solstice go through If he was SK....then again shoot me or Acro, let town go crazy and shit, maybe misslynch more dudes, etc. Instead he shot A GUY THAT WAS GETTING LYNCHED That proves to me he is not SK. Hell that could prove to me he's not traitor, since he wouldn't know the scumteam's plans by then (if he did he wouldn't have shot solstice to out the whole scumteam, scum would tell him "ehmm dude, why don't you shoot gonzaw or Acro or Xata and leave this D1 misslynch be, okay? Don't wanna get austin lynched". I mean, unless the TARDIS is a super powerful shit that gives him 100 KP and makes him bulletproof or some shit I doubt kita would do that (if he DOESNT win with town). And if it does....then where is his 100 KP and bulletproof and shit? Gonzaw, I don't think he is a SK. I think he is an anti-town 3rd party. There is also something in role pm mentioning the TARDIS. I agree that's why he shot Solstice. But I disagree saying why would he do that if it hurt mafia. It is day 1, he doesn't know who scum were day 1. In fact he figured it out because of what he did with his shot. Look at what he did from Day 2 on and tell me how that comes from a neutral survivor and not scum-aligned survivor. I can see his play from that on as either scum-aligned survivor, as SK, or as neutral survivor. He is not town, he can do whatever the fuck he wants based on that. He's entitled to do anything "anti-town" because.....he's not town. You can't expect a survivor to side with town 100% of the time, specially if town are in a bad position (BC shooting Xata, kita killing Dandel, and austin SUPPOSEDLY unvoting geript to make it 3v2v1 last night..or 3v1v1 I don't remember). I just can't believe his traitor/TARDIS collector/survivor role would be in this game, that's all. Well Xfire, that's my opinion, I think we should lynch austin today. You say we have like 75% chances of winning against austin inthe WIFOM battle? Well I really have no idea how that's possible lol (will think about it later). If you think you want to take the safe route and lynch kita, if you think we have a higher chance of winning as well, then feel free to do so (I hope this isn't a bluff or something because its only purpose would be confusing me lol) You control 2 votes, so it's not like I won't change my vote back to kita and force a NL or something | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:23 GMT
#3217
He would of course not tell anything about it.....maybe that 75% chance is a little bit lower Xfire (in case austin does have some other shit with his role) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:27 GMT
#3221
On July 03 2013 04:19 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote: On July 03 2013 04:05 Crossfire99 wrote: On July 03 2013 03:50 gonzaw wrote: The fact he shot solstice as soon as he claimed Doctor (or WOS claimed for him) which almost single-handily fucked scum, instead of like shooting me or BC or Acro, shows that he's not bullshitting with the TARDIS claim. If he was traitor, fucking shoot me and let the lynch on solstice go through If he was SK....then again shoot me or Acro, let town go crazy and shit, maybe misslynch more dudes, etc. Instead he shot A GUY THAT WAS GETTING LYNCHED That proves to me he is not SK. Hell that could prove to me he's not traitor, since he wouldn't know the scumteam's plans by then (if he did he wouldn't have shot solstice to out the whole scumteam, scum would tell him "ehmm dude, why don't you shoot gonzaw or Acro or Xata and leave this D1 misslynch be, okay? Don't wanna get austin lynched". I mean, unless the TARDIS is a super powerful shit that gives him 100 KP and makes him bulletproof or some shit I doubt kita would do that (if he DOESNT win with town). And if it does....then where is his 100 KP and bulletproof and shit? Gonzaw, I don't think he is a SK. I think he is an anti-town 3rd party. There is also something in role pm mentioning the TARDIS. I agree that's why he shot Solstice. But I disagree saying why would he do that if it hurt mafia. It is day 1, he doesn't know who scum were day 1. In fact he figured it out because of what he did with his shot. Look at what he did from Day 2 on and tell me how that comes from a neutral survivor and not scum-aligned survivor. An anti-town 3rd party that you are describing based on the win conditions listed in the OP has never existed in team liquid mafia history. It doesn't make sense from a game perspective and it doesn't make sense from a balance perspective. You're confusing what a neutral survivor actually means. A neutral survivor isn't neutral to both factions. He is going to pick one faction to win with and one faction to back stab. He win condition is surviving. I had an opportunity at 2v1v1 and I took it. It was an anti-town action to take a join mafia win, but a survivor is not an anti-town alignment and I can still win with town. I'm not saying neutral survivor doesnt choose a side. I'm saying he chooses the side he is most likely to win with. In this case it was town since bc shot scum day 2 and you could have too, but you decided to actively hinder town at every opportunity even though it made no sense to do so. This is different than what you apparently said before.. Hmm...so Xfire, can you tell me exactly how anti-town kita would do that and why neutral kita wouldn't? Do you mean something in particular, like the Dandel shot, or something else? At that point kita's sole mission was not: dying to geript's shot, and not getting lynched. I don't think we could use D2 as evidence for anything. Yes he could have shot austin with the TARDIS, just as easily as he could have shot Dandel. He's 3P he doesn't give a shit about pro-town stuff and that, he wants to do what's best for him. I could see him thinking killing Dandel would be the best thing for him at that time, specially if austin/sk8 would get lynched (and he thought both were scum). ...or maybe not. I personally don't want to take that into account too much. If you mean his later behaviour (stopping to make cases, etc), then yes it's a little worrying I suppose. ...ehmm...I dunno. It was night it'd be foolish of him to be pro-town at night without bulletproof shit. I guess he could have tried something else on D3 instead of insta-contacting scum if he knew there were only 2 of them... ...but yeah I dunno | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:30 GMT
#3223
Anyways that makes no sense since Zepphird didn't say anything about the role he created having a day-RB. Maybe hosts derped again and made it so the TARDIS refunds bullets without telling anybody else about it | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:31 GMT
#3224
On July 03 2013 04:30 austinmcc wrote: Just gonna note that, unless you think I'm psychic and pre-altered a couple of random posts in the middle of my conversation with geript, kita either altered his logs, selectively posted, or is lying about not knowing what happened to BC's shot. Hmm, I'll think about that. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:34 GMT
#3228
1)Zepphird lied about the role 2)The day RB is part of kita's "alignment powers" If (1) happened...why would town lie about that shit? Also wouldn't have Zepphird KNOW BC WAS RBed? He made a day-RBer and someone was day-RBed, wouldn't he say something? If (2) happened...then why wasn't anybody else RBed? Is kita's day-RB only one-shot? Why didn't he day-RB BC on D3 when BC explicitely said 100000 times he was going to shoot kita? Why didn't kita RB geript on D2 when geript MK'd him, so he could not waste his TARDIS ability? Why didn't he RB Xfire today so he could actually vote and insta-win with scum? What other alternative is there? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:36 GMT
#3230
Did you check if geript isn't actually a pro-town survivor that infiltrated the QT and was actively lying to you? I mean, he has a resurrection, role, what if he resurrects this N4 and decides to side with town? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:37 GMT
#3232
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:39 GMT
#3234
Like, if someone day-vigs you 1 second into the day phase, what is the "deadline" in which you have to use the TARDIS, and if you do not you die to that shot? If you get day-vigged 1 second into the day phase, can you use the TARDIS to protect yourself 1 second before deadline? Or should it be instant? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:40 GMT
#3235
On July 03 2013 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 04:34 kitaman27 wrote: Also, does your 75% calculation take into account that mafia almost certainly have a bus driver or self protect in their pocket? We've established that I'm not mafia. Therefore, mafia would have no idea what I did to the TARDIS. When I asked if the TARDIS was a worry with my day shot, they flat out replied no. You don't speak in certainty like that unless you know it's not an issue. Yes, and I even might put my chances at 80%. The TARDIS is accounted for in my plans for tonight. Well...I don't wanna put pressure on you or anything, but it's your choice then. If we have like 80% chances of winning I don't give a shit about lynching kita either lol. I made your role and have no idea wtf makes it so we win 80% of the time lol. Maybe hosts made it more OP without telling me > : ( | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:47 GMT
#3238
Him just being an idiot who made "bad" decisions (well...anti-town decisions, we don't know if they are bad or not really) because he was pressured, about to die, and with little time (to use TARDIS for instance), is also a story I could believe with him being neutral 3P Again, just because he's neutral doesn't mean he HAS to do everything pro-town ever. Killing a townie that was tunneling him to level the playing field a little bit (while still pushing a lynch on scum, since well in his mind scum would get lynched today maybe) would have made more sense to him. I dunno, I dunno how 3rd parties think I was never one, so I dunno if that's how neutral survivor would think or not But I know he was not town so I can't really make any assertion of him being "less" or "more" town...because he is not town period, he could theoretically do whatever the fuck he wants, even if he tells the truth and is neutral survivor. If he was anti-town why did he make cases on the guys he thought were actually scum then (specially if he wins with scum)? Well, for now I'll vote him just in case I leave or something unexpectedly ##Unvote: austin ##Vote: kitaman | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:51 GMT
#3241
The TARDIS refunded BC's bullet instead of wasting it. Hosts fucked up, or it was a hidden nerf/whatever. That's the simplest explanation, explains everything, and incidentally doesn't matter at all to our discussion Any other alternative makes absolutely zero sense, either austin being RBer or kita being RBer (hint: more people would have claimed RBed by now) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:53 GMT
#3243
geript saying "yes and yes" doesn't tell me shit. Maybe he was answering something you posted before as well or something. Maybe he read bad and thought kita said something about it. Maybe he just deduced kita would have done it in his head but did so wrong, the hell would I know you guys are confirmed scum. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 19:57 GMT
#3246
Why?: 1)Why the hell would we care kita RBed BC on D1? We already know that if we lynch austin and kita doesn't win with town we lose, if he does win with town we win. Why would we care about him having a hidden RB or some shit? 2)Wouldn't he think geript would tell his scumbuddy about it? If kita tells geript in his convo he RBed BC, it would be stupid not to assume geript wouldn't post it in the scum QT. Therefore he would KNOW you would catch him in a lie Based on (1) and (2) it makes no sense for kita to actually have RBed BC, tell geript about it, but fake the log and call you a liar when it makes absolutely no difference at all. Oh...yeah this is assuming he's anti-town 3P. Maybe he's such an idiot he would lie about all this shit as neutral 3P as well. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:02 GMT
#3248
On July 03 2013 04:59 kitaman27 wrote: gonzaw, give me a percentage of likelihood that you think I've a survivor vs the chances that I'm a third party survivor that can only win with mafia and has to obtain the TARDIS all at once. 85% vs 15% I'd say Or it could vary between 70% and 90% (I'm not good with percentages lol). But well, Xfire says we can 80% win if we lynch you. If that "sure you are neutral 3P" percentage falls below 80% then I would want you lynched intead. If that percentage is above 80% then I would to lynch austin instead, and if the percentage is around 80% I wouldn't give a flying fuck. I'm not really sure where that percentage is. I think it's above 80%, at least as I keep trying to convince myself you are neutral. Maybe it falls to 60% if Xfire convinces me about it, I dunno. I also don't really know wtf Xfire is saying or if he's bluffing lol. But well. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:04 GMT
#3250
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:10 GMT
#3252
Some things of note: 1)If he is indeed survivor I think it makes sense him pushing sk8 instead of austin. If he thought sk8 was scum then he could really prove he was not scum by telling the thread who he was going to pass the TARDIS to. Once sk8 flips scum it'd be confirmed he chose who to give it to and it wasn't randomly distributed (well, there's a very very higher chance of that happening at least), so he would be confirmed not scum. 2)He said he would be using the SELF-PROTECT ability of the TARDIS, yet instead used the bus one to kill Dandel... ...yeah this doesn't sit right with me | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:12 GMT
#3256
Do I have the knowledge about your role or items, etc to know why we'll win 80% tonight if we lynch austin? Or is it something only you know? At least I want to try and know why. If I know why I may feel better lynching kita instead if it's the safest option | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:17 GMT
#3261
On July 03 2013 05:13 kitaman27 wrote: Keep in mind that coming up with a night action win percentage is impossible because you don't actually know austin's role. I'm a little worried about this too If austin IS in fact a RBer for instance, we have like 0% chance to win tonight. But well, wait a couple of minutes I'll think this shit over. Xfire, you still have I#A, I#B, I#C, I#D and I#F right? You could just tell me which one you plan to use with that code so I don't have to waste time | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:18 GMT
#3263
I find this hard to believe lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:21 GMT
#3266
On July 03 2013 05:20 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 05:18 gonzaw wrote: So if austin is telling the truth about his role we win 100%? I find this hard to believe lol Don't do this to me. I spent hours trying to figure out who to shoot last night. Now I'm gonna have to try and figure out this nonsense. I was THIS close of protecting BC last night lol Like...it was 5:59 and I had the mouse cursor over the "Send" button of the already-made "##Protect: BC" PM. You lucky you | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:25 GMT
#3271
If there was a one-shot poisoner this game I would have known I have 1SP-senses you see | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:28 GMT
#3273
On July 03 2013 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 05:21 gonzaw wrote: On July 03 2013 05:20 austinmcc wrote: On July 03 2013 05:18 gonzaw wrote: So if austin is telling the truth about his role we win 100%? I find this hard to believe lol Don't do this to me. I spent hours trying to figure out who to shoot last night. Now I'm gonna have to try and figure out this nonsense. I was THIS close of protecting BC last night lol Like...it was 5:59 and I had the mouse cursor over the "Send" button of the already-made "##Protect: BC" PM. You lucky you Do you know what I really wished I had done? 10 minutes before the lynch yesterday, I changed my austin role vote to myself. I don't know if you would have done it or not, but if I correctly understood austin's role (lol), I would have pushed hard for you to choose me as well. You can see where I would have gone with this lol. Austin was obsessing over it last night. He would have been forced to give me a role when I was the PGO/NRA member lol. And then this day never would have happened... Whether you or I get the medic is irrelevant. I thought that was made clear by me telling you who I was protecting in the thread and you acknowledging it Also Xfire, damn shame you didn't choose option 2 back on N1. You would have gotten a DT check. The story made it clear you were outnumbered and you just came out of the hospital. Why did you choose to stay and fight? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:29 GMT
#3274
On July 03 2013 05:27 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + This NRA stuff was NOT COOL. NOT COOL. I was actually really worried about getting bussed into you last night, because I thought you had bus AND NRA.On July 03 2013 05:25 Crossfire99 wrote: On July 03 2013 05:21 gonzaw wrote: On July 03 2013 05:20 austinmcc wrote: On July 03 2013 05:18 gonzaw wrote: So if austin is telling the truth about his role we win 100%? I find this hard to believe lol Don't do this to me. I spent hours trying to figure out who to shoot last night. Now I'm gonna have to try and figure out this nonsense. I was THIS close of protecting BC last night lol Like...it was 5:59 and I had the mouse cursor over the "Send" button of the already-made "##Protect: BC" PM. You lucky you Do you know what I really wished I had done? 10 minutes before the lynch yesterday, I changed my austin role vote to myself. I don't know if you would have done it or not, but if I correctly understood austin's role (lol), I would have pushed hard for you to choose me as well. You can see where I would have gone with this lol. Austin was obsessing over it last night. He would have been forced to give me a role when I was the PGO/NRA member lol. And then this day never would have happened... Arggh had I thought of that I would have protected BC. WHY DIDNT YOU UNDERSTAND THE ROLE AUSTIN? IF YOU DID I COULD HAVE SAVED BC | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:31 GMT
#3277
On July 03 2013 05:30 kitaman27 wrote: You still have a chance at 40 filter pages gonzaw. I believe in you. pff that's easy as 1 | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:31 GMT
#3278
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:31 GMT
#3280
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:34 GMT
#3283
Well, too bad you were "confirmed scum" by that point so I didn't really have much time to think about giving you shit >_> (freaking hosts lol) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:34 GMT
#3284
On July 03 2013 05:34 kitaman27 wrote: This discussion of how the game could have already been won is nice and all, but I'd kinda really like to share town's victory -_- Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 05:10 Crossfire99 wrote: On July 03 2013 05:04 gonzaw wrote: I think the fact I don't want this game to go for 72 more hours may have a slight (slight mind you) influence in me wanting to lynch austin I mean if you really want to lynch austin. Sure. I honestly don't understand the way kita has been playing at all if he was just a survivor. But if you seem convinced that he is just a regular old survivor, we can lynch austin. You seem pretty convinced, right gonzaw? XD kitaman27 06-28-2013 09:43 AM ET (US) In the event that our communication gets cut off for whatever reason, have your scum buddies communicate with me by including an XD smiley in their post. Confirmed scum, you just slipped kita Kill it with fire | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:35 GMT
#3286
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:41 GMT
#3287
*sigh* So...20 minutes huh? Better check everything again | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:50 GMT
#3290
Xfire, you here? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:54 GMT
#3291
I'm thinking though if austin may have a hidden power or something. Lynching kita might be the safest option after all perhaps. Bleh, I don't really want this to go on much longer though :/ | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:56 GMT
#3294
Like I said you are not really "that" high since I'm not good at measuring this kind of shit Also like....I only have 1 vote and Xfire has 2, if he doesn't show up there's not much I can do | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 20:59 GMT
#3300
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:00 GMT
#3306
On July 03 2013 05:59 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw, we got 2 minutes. What are we doing lol? Well, last minute switch to austin? I kind of want to see this 80% thing though | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:00 GMT
#3309
Dunno if this is a mistake or not though | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:01 GMT
#3312
I won't swap first just in case lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:01 GMT
#3314
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:02 GMT
#3316
bye bye kita | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:03 GMT
#3320
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:04 GMT
#3322
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:07 GMT
#3327
I was here sine like 20-30 minutes before it I wouldn't risk 100% losing this game by switching at :59, and you not seeing the vote so you keep your vote on kita while I have it on austin! (i.e NL) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:07 GMT
#3328
On July 03 2013 06:04 Crossfire99 wrote: i was here, i was waiting for you to switch lol? I was waiting for YOU to switch ...well this is embarrasing :/ Hope he flips SK lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:09 GMT
#3334
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:09 GMT
#3336
You are considered an Anti-Town force. lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:10 GMT
#3337
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:11 GMT
#3339
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:11 GMT
#3340
On July 03 2013 06:10 Crossfire99 wrote: not 3rd party anti-town my ass. Hosts........f' you for making that role (I wuv you though <3) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:12 GMT
#3342
Considering kita was 1 minute and indecision away from winning the game should be considered worthy of an award, because that role sucks heavy sweaty donkey balls wtf | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:13 GMT
#3346
Like......I dont' know what I would have done......really. I might have done crazy shit, I might have resigned from mafia, go live at the Alps and shit in a bottle | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:14 GMT
#3348
On July 03 2013 06:13 kitaman27 wrote: Hurry up and get to the part where I revive. Yeah how about no | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:14 GMT
#3350
On July 03 2013 06:14 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 06:12 deconduo wrote: On July 03 2013 06:11 gonzaw wrote: Can we make nights 1 hour long and days 1 hour long as well? I kind of want this game to end today As per the nightpost, cycles will last as long as it takes for people to send in actions or vote. This can be 1 minute cycles if you guys hurry :D I'm down for this. I just want to know when austin gets here, so we can finish this. I'm down for this as well ...not like I can do anything...other than make some random dude vengeful-spirit...? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:15 GMT
#3351
On July 03 2013 06:14 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 06:13 gonzaw wrote: Like...you guys realize what would have happened had we lynched austin, and we lost? Like......I dont' know what I would have done......really. I might have done crazy shit, I might have resigned from mafia, go live at the Alps and shit in a bottle Gonzaw, I would have laughed and then cried myself to sleep tonight. I'm putting a lot of effort to not break down right now based on the shit that had already happened before I would most likely disappear for a while from the mafia scene, and I mean it (not that it would be too hard to do, with being busy with uni/work and shit) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:17 GMT
#3352
Why did I get excited, *sigh* | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:18 GMT
#3353
Austin you flip the coin as well so we can get this over with | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:18 GMT
#3354
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:19 GMT
#3355
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:20 GMT
#3356
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:21 GMT
#3357
Thank you confirmed scum austin for making us not lose this game | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:22 GMT
#3359
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:23 GMT
#3360
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:23 GMT
#3361
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:23 GMT
#3362
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:25 GMT
#3363
kita role: Feeding on the time energy from the TARDIS would make you immensely powerful Yeah...so how about telling us how powerful he would have gotten? Or maybe even kita didn't know that shit? Also see austin kita didn't RB BC, you better tell geript to check his contact lenses next time | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:26 GMT
#3364
well, I could strive for the 40 page filter I guess | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:26 GMT
#3367
Thank god the game is already figured out because I would probably vote myself if not | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:28 GMT
#3368
On July 03 2013 06:26 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote: come on austin I don't have all day well, I could strive for the 40 page filter I guess That's what I thought you were doing lol. well i'm mostly just posting random shit to vent a little bit getting to 40 page filter is a bonus i guess also inb4 I have 39 pages and 19 posts and night ends and I die fml | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:29 GMT
#3369
I will discuss shit about roles, inventions and stuff thoug (i.e the only time I had fun this game), but not this game...not ever | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:29 GMT
#3370
On July 03 2013 06:29 gonzaw wrote: once postgame happens i won't discuss anything about this game I will discuss shit about roles, inventions and stuff thoug (i.e the only time I had fun this game), but not this game...not ever Well this seems kind of nihilist. i will discuss about the game most likely probably not today though (if the game ends today) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:32 GMT
#3372
austin+bc town mvp kita some award for almost winning with the shittiest 3p ever | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:33 GMT
#3376
On July 03 2013 06:32 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 06:25 gonzaw wrote: kita role: Feeding on the time energy from the TARDIS would make you immensely powerful Yeah...so how about telling us how powerful he would have gotten? Or maybe even kita didn't know that shit? Also see austin kita didn't RB BC, you better tell geript to check his contact lenses next time He was bulletproof after feeding on the TARDIS, so yeah you guys would have 100% lost. I would have ended the game right there :D ... | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:34 GMT
#3377
On July 03 2013 06:33 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw, why'd you make me doubt myself? lol jk. His role is the 1st of its kind. i dunno im asking myself that as well like....like...i was this close of lynching austin even back at the deadline. wtf | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:36 GMT
#3380
On July 03 2013 06:36 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 06:34 Crossfire99 wrote: On July 03 2013 06:32 deconduo wrote: On July 03 2013 06:25 gonzaw wrote: kita role: Feeding on the time energy from the TARDIS would make you immensely powerful Yeah...so how about telling us how powerful he would have gotten? Or maybe even kita didn't know that shit? Also see austin kita didn't RB BC, you better tell geript to check his contact lenses next time He was bulletproof after feeding on the TARDIS, so yeah you guys would have 100% lost. I would have ended the game right there :D Could he have won with scum? Yup, nothing in his wincon prevents it. ... | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:49 GMT
#3386
On July 03 2013 06:44 austinmcc wrote: FIRST: I TOLD YOU GUYS NOT TO FRIGGIN' LYNCH ME ALL GAME. FOUR DAYS AND YOU GO AND TRY TO LYNCH ME ON THREE OF EM. NOT COOL well, for once you are right (about last day) | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:49 GMT
#3387
On July 03 2013 06:44 austinmcc wrote: I'm scum. I play the mindgames. You're town. You don't play mindgames. lol this is fun | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:53 GMT
#3391
you say that if for instance I was RBer, and I RB you tonight your kill still goes through? ..... .... actually nevermind, I forgot which game I was talking about (i'm talking about this game in case you don't know) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 21:53 GMT
#3393
On July 03 2013 06:52 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 06:50 austinmcc wrote: btw, I dunno if you asked to find out or not, but factional KP isn't delivered. You guys voted for kita, so I will let you in on that little tidbit. If you NRA tonight, you lose, because no single person visits and delivers the KP. I know I'm mafia, but you can ask hosts to confirm this. Cool, how bout this, I'll tell you something if you get the mods to confirm that no one has the TARDIS? Gonzaw do you have the TARDIS? no ..or do I? DUN DUN DUN | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:53 GMT
#3394
let's talk about bears | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:54 GMT
#3395
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gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:54 GMT
#3397
On July 03 2013 06:50 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw, don't tell austin anything lol. I'm saying this just in case you decide to reveal what you know to get to 40 pages of filter. actually in the state im in right now i am not sure i WONT slip something lollololol | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:55 GMT
#3398
he hunted hikers and mafia for a living | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:56 GMT
#3400
he said "mafia! mafia much tastier than honey! OM NOM NOM NOM" he went and ate him | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:56 GMT
#3401
he was disapoint | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:57 GMT
#3403
that was the plan, right xfire? | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:58 GMT
#3404
oh yeah, some guys then chased him for eating that dude my great-great-granpa (i'll shorten it to GGGranpa) didn't like it, so he ate another dude. then another one, then another one. the town was soon devoid of life | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 21:59 GMT
#3407
so they set the woods on fire "oh noes! my lovely forest!" my gggranpa said. so he went to the pond to get water. water, to put out the fire. but bears can't hold buckets | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 22:01 GMT
#3408
he knew the mafia set the woods on fire, because he ate mafia before when he was young so gggranpa went to the mafia hideout he ate one dude then mauled another one to death he went and went until he entered the GF's chambers | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 22:04 GMT
#3410
gggranpa said "you burned down forest" "yes" gf said, "but you are fucking bear wtf how are you talking" then gggranpa said "Care Will Prevent 9 out of 10 Forest Fires", then mauled him to death people used that as inspiration for Smokey The Bear in the future | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 22:05 GMT
#3412
i believe down the line, in some distant land, they even created a mafia whos sole purpose was to strike down all the bears. in retaliation for what my gggranpa did to them. but thats not where the story ends | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 22:06 GMT
#3413
So my G was super impressed and shit "so how come you are not a bear papa?" "oh....that's a long story" said my GG i'll tell you that story... | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 22:07 GMT
#3415
after killing all mafia in town, GGG went to a bar. he was very tired, and ate too much, he needed some bear | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 22:08 GMT
#3418
Dear God! he fell in love instantly they started talking, they spend good time together | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 22:08 GMT
#3419
On July 03 2013 07:07 austinmcc wrote: If you don't stop talking about bears, I'm going to shoot you in the face. im not on 40 yet | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 22:13 GMT
#3430
they had a baby. was not bear GGG confused. local witch told him about bear gene. bear gene always in offspring, but if offspring son of a non-bear as well, then he might become non-bear, but still gain the bear gene GGG was angry he could not experience bear shit with his son, and he knew people would laugh at him at school. because of that he faked his death, and left the country, to bear somewhere else. but GGG was proud of son, because son would carry bear gene for ever. "but dada, how do you know this?" my G asked "well" GG said "mama told me this after i turned 18" "she told me all this, and told me she had contact with papa bear" "she told me that papa bear was in hiding because mafia sent assassins. one day papa bear was assassined" he said "o no! we must avenge papa bear!" G said "yes we do. Remember to kill all scum and mafia you encounter, for they have slaughtered papa bear!" GG said "i will do papa, and i'll make sure all my son dothat as well" my G said | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 22:14 GMT
#3433
oh, I think I failed to mention something: my G was actually a bear you see, the bear gene makes it so every 2nd generation the guy becomes a bear. so basically it skips a generation. .....and now you turn around austin, thinking you are safe...but remember.. ...it skips a generation | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 22:15 GMT
#3435
am i on 40 yet? | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 22:15 GMT
#3436
gg | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 22:49 GMT
#3468
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gonzaw
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July 02 2013 23:11 GMT
#3478
FML | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 23:13 GMT
#3481
...I better not say anything | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 23:28 GMT
#3485
haha...how funny | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 23:28 GMT
#3486
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gonzaw
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July 02 2013 23:31 GMT
#3488
On July 03 2013 08:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote: gonza, why did you let me die bro -_- because if I medic you but austin kills xfire, we instantly lose right there (2v1v1 with anti-town kita+scum working together, we have no KP) if I medic Xfire but austin kills you, then we don't instantly lose (what happened) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 23:31 GMT
#3489
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 23:31 GMT
#3490
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gonzaw
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July 02 2013 23:38 GMT
#3492
there were only 2 possible options for xfire to make: 1)Choose Hider (to austin) and hope austin shoots him 2)Choose Votethief and hop austin doesn't shoot him. that's it, 2 seemingly opposite options. scum just had to choose what xfire would choose (hider or votethief) Scum didn't know about hider, but apparently thought their factional KP would kill austin if he shot Xfire and xfire chose NRA member...? Either way is the same, both Xfire+me and austin have the same info. austin could have easily shot xfire thinking xfire chose votethief, as he could have easily not shot xfire thinking he chose nra. So in that sense the situation is the same (well, choosing hider and killing austin would have been better), but like I said above if xfire chooses votethief (which he did) and scum shoot him we instantly lose, so i prot him. I could have made xfire choose hider, and prot you, but then scum could have shot me, and we insta-lose as well (and i didn't want xfire to waste hider) ....*sigh* | ||
gonzaw
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July 02 2013 23:39 GMT
#3493
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 02 2013 23:43 GMT
#3494
did i do something to you? | ||
gonzaw
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July 03 2013 00:25 GMT
#3506
On July 03 2013 09:17 Acrofales wrote: Well, I just raged at town from obs QT from the moment I was dead. Yes, sk8r played pretty badly, but you had fucking AUSTIN to lynch and he wiggled his way out of it. Then you got a retry with all that confirmed scum around and shot XATALOS. Town threw this game pretty badly Endgame was fun, though :D Xatalos was confirmed scum | ||
gonzaw
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July 03 2013 00:28 GMT
#3509
On July 03 2013 09:25 gonzaw wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 09:17 Acrofales wrote: Well, I just raged at town from obs QT from the moment I was dead. Yes, sk8r played pretty badly, but you had fucking AUSTIN to lynch and he wiggled his way out of it. Then you got a retry with all that confirmed scum around and shot XATALOS. Town threw this game pretty badly Endgame was fun, though :D Xatalos was confirmed scum sk8 was confirmed scum as well | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:31 GMT
#3514
On July 03 2013 09:29 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 09:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote: On July 03 2013 09:04 Dandel Ion wrote: On July 03 2013 09:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Austins power was so fucking pro town that he blended in so well with terrible townies -_- Wait wasn't there somebody ranting about people equating role = town? I think I remember somebody like that. Do you know who it was? Cause you should totally talk to him. His role wasn't what made him town in my head, it was how he used it. HE never was using it on my scum reads. Always giving shit ot me and gonza Except that really doesn't matter, because he knows who gets what. That's why I raged at him for giving vet instead of medic n1, because it's suuuuuper easy for him as scum to play around it. Like, openly claiming it and shit is not a problem if you are fully able to dodge it anyways. Dunno why nobody got this but w/e I 100% figured he was scum (well, 89%) when he gave me medic instead of vig on N3. So, town has "already lost" (3v2 or 3v1v1 at night), there's an already known scum/anti-town (kita). You have the choice of giving someone KP to kill that guy, or give someone a medic so he has like a 25% chance of saving the scum shot. If you are town you give KP to kill kita. austin gave me medic, so yeah | ||
gonzaw
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July 03 2013 00:32 GMT
#3515
On July 03 2013 09:29 Dandel Ion wrote: wtf sk8 was playing really townie until he went full afk. y'all just mad cuz mad. no he was confirmed scum because he said he made me a different role but hosts confirmed they didn't change it but whatdoiknow? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:35 GMT
#3516
On July 03 2013 09:31 Acrofales wrote: Xatalos played okay. He wasn't great, but the only reason you thought he was scum was because his and xfire's stories didn't add up. Still not sure what happened there with the roleblocked shit, but how the hell was he supposed to claim he was roleblocked when he wasn't notified. decon said in obs QT that roleblocks weren't notified. So essentially, it was xfire who had the wrong info, didn't check it properly, and you all piled onto Xata, who was playing quite okay when you got through the elaborate waffly way of talking.. which if you had even bothered to look at my filter, you would have noticed is part of his town meta, despite me going all raaaage at him over it. Xfire specifically said a host gave him a PM saying RBs are notified. Xata specifically said no host gave him a PM saying he was RBed. Logically one of them is 100% lying, those are logical contradictions. If you figure out Xfire is telling the truth then Xata is lying scum by derivation Well....or they should be.... | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:37 GMT
#3518
Yeah I shouldn't put the blame on bad hosting, I know. Sorry guys | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:38 GMT
#3519
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gonzaw
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July 03 2013 00:39 GMT
#3521
On July 03 2013 09:37 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 09:35 gonzaw wrote: On July 03 2013 09:31 Acrofales wrote: Xatalos played okay. He wasn't great, but the only reason you thought he was scum was because his and xfire's stories didn't add up. Still not sure what happened there with the roleblocked shit, but how the hell was he supposed to claim he was roleblocked when he wasn't notified. decon said in obs QT that roleblocks weren't notified. So essentially, it was xfire who had the wrong info, didn't check it properly, and you all piled onto Xata, who was playing quite okay when you got through the elaborate waffly way of talking.. which if you had even bothered to look at my filter, you would have noticed is part of his town meta, despite me going all raaaage at him over it. Xfire specifically said a host gave him a PM saying RBs are notified. Xata specifically said no host gave him a PM saying he was RBed. Logically one of them is 100% lying, those are logical contradictions. If you figure out Xfire is telling the truth then Xata is lying scum by derivation Well....or they should be.... Why the fuck would scum be dumb enough to lie about something as obvious as this. HE LIED HE'S SCUM is soooo fucking stupid. Dumb? No Setting a misslynch on Xfire? Most likely | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:41 GMT
#3524
I had like 20 minutes to figure out what the items would do so I just slapped random powers on each of them. A Photo makes you a vet? A Rubber Duck busdrives people? A Drawing makes you a pardoner? Yeah, all random | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:43 GMT
#3525
On July 03 2013 09:40 Acrofales wrote: How many games have you hosted? I can get confused in a NORMAL game, when I have to send a DT check, a roleblock notification, and 1 or 2 death PMs. I always get paranoid and doublecheck everything 5 times. This game had every single person performing an action which included bus driving, role blocking, vote stealing, inventing, tardis gifting and god knows what else. Well, just one. I was the "perfectionist" kind of host though, and it was a relatively normal game | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:44 GMT
#3526
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:53 GMT
#3528
fuck | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:11 GMT
#3530
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:13 GMT
#3532
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gonzaw
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July 03 2013 01:14 GMT
#3533
On July 03 2013 10:12 kitaman27 wrote: Also, apologies to gonzaw and crossfire if I got a bit aggressive during the last 48 hours. I didn't mean to make the decision so stressful, I just really wanted to win :p you played awesome, i feel bad you lost | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:33 GMT
#3536
Definitely best part of the game by far. Too bad BC didn't use the cool shit I put in it! (it has 3 cool as shit abilities and 1 day vig). | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:40 GMT
#3539
On July 03 2013 10:34 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 10:33 gonzaw wrote: I have to give a shout out to Kurumi, for being such a bro and making me inventor. Definitely best part of the game by far. Too bad BC didn't use the cool shit I put in it! (it has 3 cool as shit abilities and 1 day vig). What was the invention? You received the Ewok Whisperer Whistle! With this whistle, you'll be able to control Ewoks as if you were an Ewok Whisperer yourself! You can use this whistle in 4 different ways, but can only do so once (after you make a single call, the whistle destroys itself!) Produce one of these traditional Ewok calls with it to make the Ewoks perform the actions you want: 1)Kna Naa: With this call, you can make the Ewoks chant the songs of the Spirit Tree, so that the tides of time and space bend like an AT-ST in a forest. If you use this call at some point in the day phase, then if any action occurs in that day phase, you'll be notified about it (what it does, which players it targets, and which player did that action). You then will be able to prevent that action from happening if you choose to. After you prevent an action from happening though, the Ewok chant fades and you can't do it anymore. If you choose not to prevent that action from happening, you'll keep your power until the next action happens. If you use this ability in the day phase, and you prevent no action, then you can still use it in the night phase as if you had activated it then If you use this call at night, then you will be notified of one random action that's happening that night (what it does, which players it targets, and which player did that action). You then will be able to prevent that action from happening if you choose to. Use this call by typing ##Call: Kna Naa in the thread. If you used it at day: Then as soon as an action happens, the host will PM you with the information described above. You'll then have to PM him either "I prevent that action", or "I won't prevent that action" (or PM him anything that makes your choice clear). If you don't answer before 1 hour is up, the action will take place as if you had chose not to prevent it If you used it at night: Then 1 hour before deadline the host will PM you the random action that you can prevent. Follow same instructions as above. If deadline arrives and you haven't chosen to prevent it (or not) yet, the action will resolve along all other night actions. 2)E s'eesht: With this call, you make the Ewoks mad. Choose an enemy of your choice, and they'll start throwing rocks and him. LOTS OF ROCKS. He won't be able to survive...poor soul never had a chance. If you use this call at any point in the cycle, you'll use 1 KP on the player of your choice instantly This applies if you use it both at the day phase or night phase (you can instantly kill someone at the night phase) Use this call by typing ##Call: E s'eesht in the thread. 3)Ta Tana Theesdarat: With this call, you call the Ewoks for guidance. They'll call the old spirits of Endor, and give you wise advice about the path you shall follow If you use this call at any point in the cycle, you'll be able to choose any previous phase (both day and night) from before. After choosing the phase, choose between Active and Passive. If you choose Active, you'll be given a list of all players that used an action that phase. If you choose Passive, you'll be given a list of all players that had an action done onto them that phase. Afterwards, you'll be able to choose one of those players. Once you choose a player, then: 1)If you chose Active, you'll be given N+1 names of other players. You'll be given the N names of players the player you chose made an action to (i.e targeted them with an action), and 1 name chosen at random from the remaining players that were alive at that cycle. 2)If you chose Passive, you'll be given N+1 names of other players. You'll be given the N names of players that used an action on said player, and 1 name chosen at random from the remaining players that were alive at that cycle. Use this call by typing ##Call: Ta Tana Theesdaratin the thread. After doing that, PM the host: "##Phase: [phase] ##Action: [Active/Passive]" For example: "##Phase: D2, ##Action: Active" The host will PM you back the list of players according to your choice. Then you'll PM him back "##Player: [name of player]" with the username/nickname of the player of your choice. Then the host will PM you back the list of players according to your choice. 4)Bingee: With this call, you call the Ewoks for knowledge. They summon the wise Ewok, who decides to tell you the knowledge you want to know, but only when you are ready to know it, are ready to learn it, and are ready to choose. The wise Ewok speaks in riddles, and knowledge won't be easy to have. He will test your wits, for your questions and answers will be hard to match. Don't expect to know everything in the galaxy, but don't resign to know what you already do. For it is when you realize what you have to know, that you'll know, the knowledge will be eternally yours If you use this call at any point in the cycle, you'll be able to PM the host 5 propositions. The host will then tell you the number of propositions that are correct. However, you can only use compound propositions. If your proposition is "X is scum", then you must PM the host one of these options:
IFF equals to "if and only if", which means either both values are true, or both values are false You can include any negation inside the propositions (for example "If A THEN NOT B"), and any combination of the above (for example" IF (A AND B) THEN C") You can't repeat equivalent propositions (for example, you can't put both "(X is scum) AND (Y is scum)" and "NOT ((X is not scum) OR (Y is not scum))" ). Use this call by typing ##Call: Bingee in the thread. After that, PM the host the 5 propositions, after which he'll PM you the response | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:09 GMT
#3547
On July 03 2013 10:57 Acrofales wrote: X is scum and 1+1=2 (only true if X is scum) Y is scum then 1+1=3 (only true if Y isn't scum. no way of formatting this positively) Z is scum OR 1+1=3 (only true if Z is scum) W is scum iff 1+1=2 (only true if W is scum) You can use this on 4 different people, or you can use it as follows: X is scum and 1+1=2 (only true if X is scum) nobody is scum then 1+1=2 (always true, ggnore) X is scum OR 1+1=3 (only true if X is scum) Y is scum iff 1+1=2 (only true if Y is scum) 100% reliable 2man DT check: if all 4 are true, then both X and Y are scum. If 3 are true, then X is scum and Y is town, if 2 are true, then Y is scum and X is town and if only 1 is true they're both town. I think that's the best you can get. Ehmm... you are not supposed to use "1+1=2" or shit like that. Why? This is not programming, you don't do boolean stuff like 1+1==2. The propositions only have to deal with in-game info and in-game info only. If not I could just ask "X is scum and string theory is correct" and after they give me the answer be rich | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:10 GMT
#3548
On July 03 2013 10:50 Crossfire99 wrote: Why didn't BC use Kna Naa? He could have prevented kita's kill. That's what I posted in-thread with big bold letters. Granted, I thought Xata would have made the kill, but either way that kill was 100% happening that day and could have been prevented (that, plus geript's MK were the main reasons I made that ability) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:14 GMT
#3549
On July 03 2013 11:06 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw, the reason why I messed up what items were what in your code was that you confused me because I thought my "day" abilities were actually abilities I could use during the day, not abilities I had to use during the night. I wasn't sure you knew this (that I couldn't use these abilities during the day) and didn't want to say it to reveal it to scum, so when I found item's E pm, it was the coin, but I just wrote medic lol. Yeah....I thought so as well >_> I forgot about using them at night lol The thing is that there was a hidden ending. You would have needed to use the Empty Gun on Event C, to gain a Gun (which is 1 KP). Then on Event E you would need to use the Gun, and you would get a Minigun. You could activate the Minigun at any time of the day phase, and it works like a 2-shot day vig. I.e you can activate it twice. I got confused with that one and the rest, that's why I put the "I'm an idiot" post and desperately told you to use I#E lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:15 GMT
#3551
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:40 GMT
#3553
On July 03 2013 11:15 Crossfire99 wrote: gonzaw can I get a link to all the parts of the story? You put a ton of work in and I want to read it all. I asked decon to PM me back the stuff I have it in the "Sent" folder, but that doesn't let you quote the PM I sent, so I can't copy-paste it with the format (spoiler/quote/bold/italic tags, etc) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:50 GMT
#3554
That's layman terms for saying you can't have propositions that are derived by the rest. So if you have p1,p2,p3,p4 and p5, then: 1) p1,p2,p3,p4 |/- p5 or p1,p2,p3,p4 |/- ~p5 2) p1,p2,p3,p5 |/- p4 or p1,p2,p3,p5 |/- ~p4 3) p1,p2,p4,p5 |/- p3 or p1,p2,p4,p5 |/- ~p3 4) p1,p3,p4,p5 |/- p2 or p1,p3,p4,p5 |/- ~p2 5) p2,p3,p4,p5 |/- p1 or p2,p3,p4,p5 |/- ~p1 Imagine saying "nobody is scum", as p3. If you take the "hidden" set of propositions from regular mafia games and common sense, that is false So S |- ~p3. When I say "p1,p2,p3,p4 |/- p5" I really mean "S,p1,p2,p3,p4 |/- p5". In this case it's "S,p1,p2,p4,p5 |/- ~p3" therefore it's not valid. By saying stuff like "you can't use already known info/repeat info" it also means it works for sub-formulas of the original formulas you have. So if you have C="IF A THEN B", not only does C NOT have to be "already known", but neither can A nor B. Again, to avoid breaking it like you just did. I wanted it to be complex so they could do something like this: If geript is scum then kita is town (NOT kita is 3P neutral survivor) OR Dandel shot solstice on D1 austin is scum AND gonzaw is town BC shot MZ on D2 OR (NOT gonzaw RBed BC on D1) If (BC is town AND austin doesn't hide any info about his role) THEN (geript is scum OR kita is bulletproof) And depending on answer you would have to recreate the semantic tree and see what you can do with it! That's fun! There's no fun in saying "gonzaw is town AND 1+1=2", if you want to do that then just say "gonzaw is town AND TRUE" it's the same thing. Also no, "already known info" isn't allowed, so saying "Acro was alive on D1" is already known info, or is a true proposition that belongs in S Since you PM it to the host yourself, you cant use info YOU know (but other people don't) either. So BC could have put "geript is scum AND the 5th letter of my role PM Is 't' ". Not only does it give YOU more "easy" info (you just convert a complex formula into the simple easy to process one "geript is scum"), but it may give other players more info if you tell the thread about it. I'm not so sure about the 2nd issue there, but if you made a complex enough set of formulas, if you get a specific answer maybe others could determine if one of those propositions was true or false, because that would be the only way you would know the whole answer. But....you could just replace the "true" proposition (only you know of) with anything else and just give town a different answer. Still it's still cheating so not allowed | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:10 GMT
#3556
You could do this if you want: "austin is scum AND (gonzaw is town OR (NOT gonzaw is town))" You get the same equivalent formula "austin is scum", no need to say "Acro was alive in D1" or stuff like that. That's why the same method has to apply to sub-formulas as well | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:11 GMT
#3558
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:14 GMT
#3559
"But a DT listcheck is OP and boring!" I thought. Then I thought "what other ability is awesome as fuck?". Then I remembered possibly one of my favourite abilities: Phoenix Wright So I thought "Wouldn't it be cool if I could make a LISTCHECK OF PHOENIX WRIGHTS???? OMG!!" and so the Binge was born | ||
gonzaw
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July 03 2013 03:15 GMT
#3562
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:29 GMT
#3564
On July 03 2013 12:15 Acrofales wrote: Eh, then it isn't as useful: it would cause way too many headaches to set something up so the NUMBER of true propositions you get back gives you useful information. Although you can probably set it up so that 5 formulas are enough to be a 100% dt check on 3 players, it'd give me massive headaches and isn't worth it if you can just dayvig someone in the face Well, that's the point, if you know how to use it and work a little bit to figure out the correct formulas, you could get very potent shit. You can get up to 6 different answers (0-5 correct propositions), so if you create the correct set of formulas you could reverse engineer that shit to get more shit and shit I can't really think of any at the moment. I was hoping BC would post the "riddle" in the thread and everybody would think shit together to make the perfect listcheck! | ||
gonzaw
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July 03 2013 04:10 GMT
#3575
On July 03 2013 13:04 austinmcc wrote: I honestly thought you were bluffing with the big win percentage chance, but now I absolutely see it. I think that if I wasn't still super paranoid about NRA Member (which seriously doesn't do anything against factional KP), I might have gone for it. But as long as we were one on one and couldn't lynch each other, I didn't see a reason not to choose random nights to fire at you. Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help, although...I assume that would have come out at some point during the day, when we started talking percentages. Before D4 ended I asked deconduo if he allowed scum to just no-NK ad nauseaum in a 1v1 situation like this. I felt it was kind of....unfair I guess. He said he'd think about it but never answered ;_; Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help Oh yeah I forgot I told scum how to win against us and lost because of it, thanks for the reminder | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 04:16 GMT
#3578
On July 03 2013 13:10 gonzaw wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 13:04 austinmcc wrote: I honestly thought you were bluffing with the big win percentage chance, but now I absolutely see it. I think that if I wasn't still super paranoid about NRA Member (which seriously doesn't do anything against factional KP), I might have gone for it. But as long as we were one on one and couldn't lynch each other, I didn't see a reason not to choose random nights to fire at you. Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help, although...I assume that would have come out at some point during the day, when we started talking percentages. Before D4 ended I asked deconduo if he allowed scum to just no-NK ad nauseaum in a 1v1 situation like this. I felt it was kind of....unfair I guess. He said he'd think about it but never answered ;_; Also, couldn't Xfire technically just NOT use his item on those 27 nights? So you choose not to shoot on N5, Xfire chooses not to use his item that same night You choose not to shoot on N6, Xfire chooses not to use his item that same night ... You choose to shoot on N889, Xfire chooses to use his item on N889, you lose. I mean...it's technically possible. But you'd say something like "oh, but then I could just wait another day more!" yeah but games of mafia dont' work like that, at some point the host FORCES you to shoot. I mean, technically there is nothing that says scum must 100% shoot at night and town must 100% lynch at day. In ANY game of mafia town can NL at day and scum no-NK at night, yet that doesn't happen because someone's gotta give, and the host will make sure of that one way or the other In those cases it's difficult since there are 2 actors with 2 different actions: town -> lynch, and scum -> NK. But here it's easy, host just forces YOU to shoot, since you are the sole actor (scum -> NK). ...I guess the most fair situation would be this: Host asks Xfire at which cycle he would activate his item, then host asks austin at which cycle he will NK. If both are the same, it's assumed the game went on and both acted the same night, thus Xfire wins If both are different, then it's assumed austin shot Xfire when he was not protected, so austin wins. ...if austin can just give a number like N9898120932937109847612039781320918273 then I guess it doesn't matter, but again, host can take it down to a "reasonable" number......I guess I dunno this shit is confusing lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 04:19 GMT
#3580
On July 03 2013 13:14 austinmcc wrote: Even then, it might have worked. I had planned to force you to target your ability onto crossfire the NRA member, making you kill yourself. That was the only way around it I could think of. You could force someone to use his ability? wtf lol Seriously. It didn't actually kill anyone this game, but screw that role. "Oh, you targeted me, you're dead now, and you can also be bussed onto me" is some bullshit once the person looks townie. You talking about NRA member or your own role? If you are talking about NRA member then maybe yes it's OP (in this type of game at least). Like I said I threw random abilities in like 10 minutes, I didn't have time to think about balance | ||
gonzaw
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July 03 2013 04:26 GMT
#3582
On July 03 2013 13:23 Crossfire99 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 13:19 gonzaw wrote: On July 03 2013 13:14 austinmcc wrote: Even then, it might have worked. I had planned to force you to target your ability onto crossfire the NRA member, making you kill yourself. That was the only way around it I could think of. You could force someone to use his ability? wtf lol Seriously. It didn't actually kill anyone this game, but screw that role. "Oh, you targeted me, you're dead now, and you can also be bussed onto me" is some bullshit once the person looks townie. You talking about NRA member or your own role? If you are talking about NRA member then maybe yes it's OP (in this type of game at least). Like I said I threw random abilities in like 10 minutes, I didn't have time to think about balance So you spent all your time on the non mafia portion of the role (which was very fun btw), and not the actual mafia portion of the role? lol Yes >_> | ||
gonzaw
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July 03 2013 04:29 GMT
#3584
I had hoped it would have made more of an impact so we could go "FUCK YEAH" afterwards | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 05:29 GMT
#3586
On July 03 2013 12:17 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2013 12:10 gonzaw wrote: Also, it's even easier than that. You could do this if you want: "austin is scum AND (gonzaw is town OR (NOT gonzaw is town))" You get the same equivalent formula "austin is scum", no need to say "Acro was alive in D1" or stuff like that. That's why the same method has to apply to sub-formulas as well Oh, if you could nest propositions deeper then you could probably set it up so complex that the number could confirm 5 DT checks... but don't ask me how to set it up right now If you do some truth tables and shit, I think you can come up with a regular ol' DT check list. Basically, with this check list I made you CAN do the ol' "how many scum are in here?" trick. Here's how. I'll show it with 3 propositions because doing it with 5 is kind of .... big lol: Normally you'd have 3 players, A, B and C. You want the checklist to tell you how many in that group are scum. So you give the host "A-B-C" and if he tells you 2 there are 2 scum in that group, if he tells you 1 there's only 1 scum there, etc. Okay, "normally" you would do this with my invention: 1)A is scum 2)B is scum 3)C is scum The number of true statements is the number of scum in that group, right? But my ability has the catch you have to use a compound formula, but what about this one? 1)(B is scum AND C is scum) OR (A is scum AND B is town) 2)(A is scum AND B is scum) OR (A is town AND B is scum and C is town) or (A is scum AND B is town AND C is scum) 3)(A is town AND C is scum) OR (A is scum AND B is scum) You can check you get the same results. If none of them are true, then A is town, B is town and C is town If 1 of those is true, then only one of A,B and C is scum If 2 of those are true, then 2 out of A,B and C are scum If all are true, all of them are scum. The best thing is that it follows the rules since neither of those can be "derived" from the other, so it's legal Just extrapolate it to 5 players and you can get a normal checklist! But of course it's more fun figuring out other ways to do that stuff | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 05:47 GMT
#3587
But if you have 2 guys, they have 2 options (town or scum), 2^2=4 so you can 100% DT check those 2 guys with this. How? Haven't really figured it out, but I think it's possible. It is hard enough to put atomic propositions like "X is scum", but it is insanely harder to make it using compound formulas... But I mean, this is an ability that can theoretically give you a 100% DT check on two guys at the same time, AND give you more info (since you have 2 possibilities that remain out of the 6). If it were easy to use it would be OP But if you are smart and know your logic/boolean calculations, then YOU make it OP. You can either make a mess and not understand shit, or have a 100% DT check on 2 players and additional info. If you don't want the 100% DT check, you can have a maybe 50% DT check on 3-4 guys, or have some intricate logical relations between events you want to know about and may use that info for later. That's what I like about these type of inventions. They are not weak or OP based on the ability alone, they are weak or OP based on the player that uses it. Considering this means you should have knowledge in logic and shit, is a tiny fun "experiment" to see if the guy that gets it can unlock its true power! What I also like about the Phoenix Wright kind of invention...is that it doesn't force you to do anything. You can either get info on a small domain with 100% certainty, or info on a grand domain with less than 100% certainty, and you are free to choose For instance, which one of these would you prefer to know is true?: 1)austin is scum 2)austin is scum IFF Xfire is town Sure, if you get the answer for (1) you get 100% info on austin, and may lynch him without second thoughts. But you get no info on Xfire, so what are you going to do with him? But if you get the answer for (2) you get info on BOTH of them. Nothing 100% certain, you don't know with certainty if austin is scum or town, or if Xfire is scum or town, but you do know that if Xfire were to be town, austin would be scum, and viceversa. This allows you to open up your mind to other possibilities in-game, check the interactions between austin and Xfire knowing they are different alignments (basically a parity cop check). So, it can either be a DT check or applying a parity cop check twice. Isn't that awesome? Not only that, but it can be even more, you don't need to just DT check. If you asked "austin has extra KP tonight", you may get a very important answer to see what you have to do at night If you asked "kita is bulletproof", you know whether to shoot him at night or not. It's the ultimate investigative ability. This type of shit has to be put into games more often. It's flexible, it's powerful, but it's not that powerful unless the guy using it is smart, and it's fun. All 4 properties you want in an ability Too bad BC didn't use it >_> | ||
gonzaw
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July 03 2013 17:41 GMT
#3614
On July 03 2013 23:58 Xatalos wrote: Gonzaw, on second thought, can I join you on suicide watch? You are welcome, there's plenty of room On July 04 2013 00:41 austinmcc wrote: Also, as far as roles are concerned, I loved the idea of a choose your own adventure role, almost made one as well, but...I don't think I like how they work in actuality. At least for the other faction, knowing that gonzaw knew crossfire's role, could lead him to all the good choices and none of the mediocre, and could talk in code with crossfire. The choose your adventure role becomes a quasi-mason AND is toughish to balance because instead of having all these choices, crossfire can be told what choices to make each time for the best outcome. I didn't plan on giving my role receiver ANY info whatsoever. I mean, if I wanted to do that I would have claimed that shit on D1 and tell my buddy to choose option 2 on N1 (which would get him a DT check) I didn't tell him what to do until he claimed of course, and then he was almost-confirmed-scum so I started directing his abilities and stuff so if he was scum he wouldn't be OP, and then he was almost-confirmed-town and we were on the verge of losing......yeah I didn't matter about not giving him info by then. Also got the pms so I'll post the story and shit. Don't mind the awful writing of course | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 17:46 GMT
#3615
Role PM: + Show Spoiler + "You are the Wanderer. You don't know your name, you don't know your past. You only know your path, the one you've been walking since you have memory It was a couple of hours ago when you woke up with that terrible headache, and couldn't remember anything at all. You put your hands in your pocket, and found 3 things: A photo of a little girl: looks like she's ten Some sort of gun: Doesn't have any bullets A rubber duck: Seems it's missing its eye You woke up in a deserted hospital, in a deserted city. Your head felt dizzy, so you took some aspirins, some first aid kit stuff and left the hospital. You decided to search the city, both for supplies....and for clues about your past Role Info: You'll be playing a ""story"". Your role is to uncover more of this story so you can get powerful abilities in the long run. You can use abilities by using the items that come to your possession. You start with 3 items: The photo, the empty gun and the rubber duck. You can only use 1 item at night, and once used it disappears. To gain items, you'll have to play the story. Every cycle, you'll receive a PM from your host about an ""Event"" in the story This is a continuation of the story of The Wanderer, and at the end of it you will always be given a choice. There are always 2 choices to choose (which depend on the story). However, at certain times, if you have specific items in your possession, you can unlock a hidden 3rd option where you can use said item instead of choosing one of the previous options (using this item will consume it, so you won't be able to use it at night). Depending which of the 2 (or potentially more) options you choose, the story will change, and as the story changes and continues you can receive new items once the event ends (once you make a choice and PM the host back, he'll PM you the resolution of your choice, and PM you any items you gained). If you don't send a choice for an event after the cycle is over, then the host will PM the same event again until you do (you won't be able to advance the story nor receive new items, so be sure to answer every choice to every event every cycle if you can) Try to survive until N3 to experience the ending of the story! Once the story ends, you won't receive any more events nor items. Initial Items: Rubber Duck: After using this item, you can choose 2 targets, and any action done on one of them will be done on the other one, and viceversa Empty Gun: After using this item, you can RB a player of your choice this night Photo of girl: After using this item, you can protect yourself from 1 KP this night""" Event A: + Show Spoiler + Event: + Show Spoiler + You walk through the desolated streets of the big city. You seem to notice people hiding in the shadows of the alleys, seemingly afraid of going into the light. You continue walking, looking at the empty buildings around you. Seems like this city was abandoned some time ago, and only a few people lurk in the darkness within. You come across a store. It seems it was sacked a lot of times, and there is debris all around the entrance. You decide to go in to get some supplies. You've been drifted in thought so long you haven't noticed your left arm was numb the whole time, and you can barely even walk. It seems you were asleep in that hospital bed for quite a while. You enter the store, and you can still see some fresh items. Seems some people WERE indeed here few time ago. You take some beans and other supplies, and you put them in a bag you found in said store. You decide to rest a little bit... ...you suddenly wake up and hear a noise, it's quite a noise actually. You go to the entrance and see a bunch of punks outside breaking more stuff. You count 4 of them. You pay little notice so you come back inside. However one of them sees you, stops the rest and comes inside. "Hey, hey you!" he shouts. "Have I met you before?" he says, but you don't say a word. "Answer me dumbass!" he screams at you. "I think not, I don't remember much actually" you say. "I know him Yoz!" one of them says, and whispers something into the ears of the guy that came in first. "Really? ... yes yes I remember. I wonder how you survived, but you won't survive again you ****ing piece of shit!" Yoz says, and all of them lunge towards you. What do you do?: 1)Stay and fight 2)Make a run for it 1st Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You decide to stay and fight them. Yoz throws a punch but you dodge it. You punch one of his henchmen in the face and he drops down cold. Another henchmen manages to punch you in the gut, taking your breath away. Yoz gains the upper hand as well and punches you in the face, but you punch back, stunning him. However, your weak body can't withstand much of the fight, and they outnumber you, so you end up receiving more punches and kicks than the ones you give. After minutes, you end up being beaten on the floor. After it's obvious they won the fight, Yoz takes out a gun "Finally I'm going to get my revenge! You destroyed everything I had!" he said "....well, although I can't say I'm not enjoying my new life, haha!" He looks at the others and they all laugh He starts raising his gun to shoot you, when a siren is heard. "Crap, it's them!" Yoz says. Suddenly they all scramble and leave the store in a heartbeat. You lay down in pain for a few minutes, until you hear lots of steps outside. "You there, stand up and leave, this store belongs to the WYM now" Someone pokes you with a baton it seems, and you manage to stand up. "Come on, move it, we don't have all day" He pokes you again. Some soldiers already took your food and started eating them. "Who...who are you?" You say. "This dude seems to have taken quite a beating to not know who we are! Haha" Some of them laugh "This is not funny, move along or we'll let you rot in a cell for the rest of your life" the main figure said You stay quiet and leave the store. They have started a camp there, lit a fire inside the store and started getting all the supplies inside. Who were those? Were they the police? It seemed like a strange outfit for them. But more importantly, why did that Yoz guy want to kill you so bad? "Revenge"? Was it something you did in the past? You hope you can remember soon, because if you did something bad enough to angry a thug like that then you should remember it as soon as possible, if not more bad things will happen to you. This is not the world you remember....or at least is not the world you think you would remember, considering you have no memories of your past life. You decide to hang out in an alley for some time to gain some strength. You manage to eat some rats to stay alive through the night, and wait for the morning, hopefully your wounds would have healed up by then <You received no new items> 2nd Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + They outnumber you, so you decide to run. You run to the back of the store and they run after you. After a frantic chase up the stairs of the back of the store, you end up on the roof. You don't have place to run, so you hide behind the water tank. You hear Yoz and his dudes arrive at the rooftop. What are you going to do? You hear him calling out for you, and you hear his friends coming closer as well. "I'll have your life for what you did to me! I'll finally have my revenge!" Yoz said. But that's when you hear a siren. "Crap, it's them!" Yoz says. Suddenly they all scramble go down the stairs. You see them going off the back of the store and leap some walls to run away. You stand up and see the other side of the store: You see a lot of what seems to be soldiers, all dressed in white army armor, with a white mask/helmet covering their entire face. Before you come down the stairs though, you see a police badge on the floor of the rooftop. "How would this get here?". "Might be of some use later", you put it in your pocket. After that you come down the stairs to see what those soldiers want. As soon as you come down, what appears to be the main commander of the group of soldiers turns to you "You there, hurry up and leave, this store belongs to the WYM now" You stop and stare at him. "Come on, move it, we don't have all day" He tells you again. Some soldiers already took your food and started eating them. "Who are you? Are you the police?" you say. "What have you been smoking? How do you not know who we are? haha" some of them laugh "This is not funny, move along or we'll let you rot in a cell for the rest of your life" the main figure said. You stay quiet and leave the store. You notice they aren't wearing any badges like the on you encountered before. Maybe they aren't the police at all. They have started a camp there, lit a fire inside the store and started getting all the supplies inside. Who were those? Were they the police? It seemed like a strange outfit for them, specially since they didn't have any badges. But more importantly, why did that Yoz guy want to kill you so bad? "Revenge"? Was it something you did in the past? You hope you can remember soon, because if you did something bad enough to angry a thug like that then you should remember it as soon as possible, if not more bad things will happen to you. This is not the world you remember....or at least is not the world you think you would remember, considering you have no memories of your past life. You decide to hang out in an alley for some time to gain some strength. You manage to eat some rats to stay alive through the night, and wait for the morning. <You have received: A Police Badge> Police Badge: After using this item, you can check the alignment of one player of your choice. You'll receive back TOWN or NOT TOWN Event B: + Show Spoiler + Event: + Show Spoiler + After gaining your strengths, you decide to continue your journey. You come across a bar, and decide to see if there's any supplies in. You knock on the door of the bar, and a female voice answers "Who is this?" "I just want some food and shelter for a while please" "Are you WYM?" She says. "Who? I'm not a WYM whatever that means" you tell her. "Good good, come in then" she opens the door. "Hi, my name is Lina" she says. She's a young woman with brown hair, although has quite dirt on her clothes and hair. "Hi, sorry but I can't remember my name, I just woke up from the hospital yesterday" you tell her. "Oh poor you! Do you remember anything else?" she asks. "No, nothing" you tell her. She gets you a drink and some food, and you tell her about what happened in the store back then. "It seems you had a close encounter with Yoz's gang then, how did you escape?" "Some guys in white armor came and scared them away. I thought they were police or something, but they didn't seem like it" you said "Oh, those were the WYM" she said. "They stand for White Youth Movement, and they rule the place, and basically all places" "They think themselves as revolutionaries and saviors, but they are as bad, if not worse, than the previous people in charge" she said, and then sighed. "So they weren't in charge all the time?" You asked. "No, there was a general government before. This was like 2-3 years ago, I was 16 then" "Before there was this war between the government and these rebels. They were lead by a guy called Stein, who is their leader". "At some point, the rebels won, then called themselves WYM and started destroying everything in their path". She points outside "This city is like this because of them. The whole country is in a similar state as well. When they first arrive to a city, they sack every store, they take every family that resists away and they are never seen again, they destroy buildings with RPGs and granades just to have fun"...she paused... "it's horrible" She starts sobbing "I lost my dad when they first attacked this city 2 years ago, I remember it as clear as day". "I ....I'm sorry..." that's the only thing you could say. "Thanks. Well, we learnt to live now, we stay clear of the streets at day to not cross paths with them, and try to live with whatever we can" she said. After a long pause, you dared ask her "Do you know anything about that hospital I was in? Or anything that I might need to know to figure out what happened to me?" She stopped to think for a second "Well, that hospital was up and running until a few days ago. Over the last year most doctors left to try their luck in another city. Only a couple of nurses were left, I assume those were the ones that were healing you" She continued "But there was a bombing 2 days ago there and everybody left for good....Thank god we have good Ol' Frank around the corner to heal our wounds and treat us, if not we would all die from diseases now that the hospital is out". "Thanks, I guess I can't find any info there then"... ..after a little silence she said "Wait, you could go to the Central Station and find anything out". "It's a WYM station, and I doubt they can tell you much, but my friend Roshi there can tell you more about what happened to you..." she said "Really? How could he know what happened to me?" you responded in return "Well...it seems you were in a pretty bad fight to be put into that hospital, you even have scars of bullets all over your body!" She pointed at your chest, you haven't really noticed those scars before. "If there was a big fight any time soon, he should know about it, he knows all the underground and shady stuff. Just tell him Lina sent you". "I'm very grateful, Lina. Thank you for your service, and don't worry I'll come back once I figure out some things, I'm sure I can help you out in your situation" you told her "Nah, don't worry, it was my pleasure!" ..."wait, before you go..." she said, leapt out of her chair and went behind the bar, she seemed to be looking for something. "It's quite dangerous out there....one of these might help you survive longer out there.....hmm, where is it" she kept throwing stuff around, until she finally came out from beneath the bar, with 2 items on her hands. "You might need this to protect yourself, take one. I might need the other one to protect myself so you can't take both!" In the table, there was something that seemed like a tazer of sorts, and a baseball bat "Thank you Lina, this will be great help" What do you do? 1)Pick the Baseball Bat 2)Pick the Tazer 1st Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + "Nice! That will surely keep the bad guys out of your reach!" Lina took the tazer and put it back under the bar. "Well, thank you for everything Nina, I'll see you soon" you said. "Same, it's rare to find good people around these places anymore, bye! I hope you find what you are looking for!" She said from behind the counter, as you left via the front door. Armed with a baseball bat, now Yoz and his gang will not have it easy now [If player chose (1) on A][ It'll be time for "your" revenge on him, after that beating you took, there's no doubt about it] [If player chose (2) on A][ They got away back at the rooftop, but you know you'll see them again, and this seems enough to hold them back.] You continued walking down the road. After a while, you encounter a great building in front of you. It spans a whole block, and is pretty high. It seems this is the Central Station Lina was talking about. <You have received: A Baseball Bat> Baseball Bat: After using this item, you can hit a player of your choice. That player will die after the NEXT night cycle ends. 2nd Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + Nice! That will surely shock anybody trying to get near you!" Lina took the baseball bat and put it back under the bar. "Well, thank you for everything Nina, I'll see you soon" you said. "Same, it's rare to find good people around these places anymore, bye! I hope you find what you are looking for!" She said from behind the counter, as you left via the front door. Armed with the tazer, now Yoz and his gang will not have it easy now You continued walking down the road. After a while, you encounter a great building in front of you. It spans a whole block, and is pretty high. It seems this is the Central Station Lina was talking about. <You have received: A Tazer> Tazer: After using this item, if anybody visits you that night, they will die (his action on you will still go through though) Event C: + Show Spoiler + Event: + Show Spoiler + You see a couple of those white soldiers guarding the door. As you cross the door you can see them turning their heads to see you. Maybe they recognize you? But you don't remember seeing them back in the store (those guys must still be there). The hall is huge, and there is a single long white desk going all across the hall from left to right. There are lots of receptionists, all dressed, in white, all along it. You go to one of them. "Excuse me..." you say. "Yes..?" the receptionists says, with a grumpy face. She clearly doesn't want to be your friend. "Hi, I'd like to know if I could get a record of what happened at that hospital down the road..." Before you could finish the sentence she shouted "No queries with no authorization!" then she slammed her hand on the desk. "Consult with your Mediator for authorization for that kind of information sir! If you don't have a Mediator we can initiate the process of assigning one to you, you'll have to come here back in 1 month, and deposit 10000 yules and wait for further instructions..." "...pardon me, but what is a mediator...and what are yules?" you ask her, not knowing any of that stuff. "Yules is the new national currency. It was created by the WYM after they overthrew the corrupt government 2 years ago, and has lead to the most stable economy in the world. A Mediator is the WYM representative that is assigned to every involved citizen, to make sure they follow the correct procedures and have the proper authorization...and have the proper coin to get their permits and processes and..." You interrupted her before she could finish "I understand, thank you for your help". You left the table. Clearly you wouldn't get any answers here. You went back outside; the same guards guarding the door. This time you tried going around the block, seeing if you could find any alley where you could find this "Roshi". You went around the block for minutes (it's just that big), until you encounter a little crevice by the side. You squeeze into it, and manage to get into a dark room, lit by some torches on the sides. "Hold on, who are you and what do you want?" You hear a voice coming from the dark. "I'm looking for Roshi, Lina sent me" you respond back... ...you don't hear anything for a while, and then you hear a door open. "If Lina sent you then you must be cool. Come on in! My name is Robert Shinodi, they call me 'Roshi' for short..." a black man with a white mohawk appeared in the threshold of the door. Beyond the door you could see a very lit room. You stepped in, you could see some high people sitting in some couches inside. "Tell me, so why did Lina sent you here?" he said "I need to find out what happened to me. I was in an accident or big fight some time ago it seems, and I woke up a couple of days ago, but I can't remember anything" you told him. "Hmm, where you by any chance at that hospital down the road?" he asked. "Yes, yes I was!" you responded back. "Well, I have bad news for you then..." he sat down on a couch before continuing. "It seems to me you were in the Big Massacre of '73", he paused, "2 years ago there was a fight between the big mafia family, and some other minor mafia scum I think, and they basically obliterated each other. Only very few survived, and it seems you were one of them. After that happened the WYM took their chance and raided the place, executing any mafia member left alive". "I....was in the mafia?" "Apparently. Why? Does that surprise you?" he said "Well..yeah. Can you tell me more about them?" "Yes. They were lead by the big Boss Borini. Lucas Borini. He was the head of the mafia family. He controlled everything in the city, no cop could ever even come near him." He continued "They controlled all the organized crime in the city, controlled all the drug deals going on, and all the attacks to gangs and families of other cities". "He was pretty powerful, until one day he died in that fight. The only known survivors were a group of his men who escaped. They are dirty thugs now destroying everything they see. Their leader is called Yoz". "Yoz? I met that guy back in a store down the road, he seemed to recognize me and wanted me dead. You say he was part of this mafia as well?" you said "Yes, he was Borini's right hand. Seems you did something back then when you were part of the family to piss him off, ya?" He said. "I need to find Yoz, I need to get some answers from him no matter what it gets" you said. Yoz is the only link to your past life you had. "That won't be hard, I'm sure he's looking for you already. The WYM are also on his back, ever since 2 years ago they've wanted to get rid of him" Roshi said. ....you suddenly felt a chill down your body. There was something weird in the air, like a weird smell, or maybe it was cold. Your mind couldn't really determine what it made you feel that way, nor it had the time, because in the split of an eye you heard a shot, and then you saw Roshi's head fall to the side, and then Roshi felt to the ground.....he was shot in the head. Chaos followed, with all the other people in the room running for their lives. That was when you saw Yoz coming from behind a corner "So you were in coma this whole time? Huh, then too bad you'll live so shortly after waking up. I'll make you pay for your treason" Yoz said. "Wait! I need to know what happened! What happened in the Big Massacre?...wait, "treason"? I didn't betray anybody!" you responded "You betrayed the boss, and you betrayed me. You were an undercover agent tasked with joining our ranks, and destroying the family from within. You killed the boss!" he said, before shooting you in the arm. It hurt...it hurt really bad. You can't believe everything he's saying. You just found out you were a mafia, and now you find out you were an undercover cop as well? Surely this can't be true...however, it's not time to ponder, you have to escape, you can't fight Yoz while he has a gun. You start running down the corridors of this weird place, while Yoz is on your back. The place seems to have turns and turns and corners and corners, which dont' seem to stop. You hear Yoz franticly very close behind you. You also hear other shots, most likely Yoz's men wrecking havok in the original hall you were in. After running and running, you see a light. You go through a threshold, and you appear right back at the big hall of the Central Station. You even see the same receptionists and everything. You have little time to think, because Yoz shortly emerges from the door "Die for ****'s sake" he starts shooting you. You duck, but he hits a receptionists. The WYM soldiers come in and start shooting at Yoz, who takes cover behind the long desk. You take a run for it and enter an office to the side. You lock it behind you. You hear shots outside, Yoz and WYM are fighting each other. You notice a window in the office, you could use it to momentarily escape, it's dangerous out there in the hall. However you need some answers from Yoz! You can't just leave like that! What do you do? 1)Escape through the window 2)Go out to the hall [If Player has the Empty Gun] 3)Use Empty Gun 1st Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You can't risk your life like this. You escape through the window. You hear more gunshots, but soon they fade. Then you see Yoz in the roof, and you see him leap over to another roof across the street. The WYM are unable to catch him, and he soon escapes. The WYM soldiers take a look at you,, then start talking to their radios and listening to something on them. After that they turn around and walk away. You'd think they would try to arrest you or something, considering your previous encounter at the store...this is weird. You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him. You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second. However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school. You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further You go into the decaying school <You have received no new items> 2nd Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You open the door, start screaming off the top of your lungs, and lunge at the desk. Yoz hears you and starts opening fire at you, but you manage to tackle him. Both of you start struggling and fighting, all the while the WYM are across the hall firing back. You manage to punch Yoz in the face and kick the gun off to a side. "I didn't betray anyone! Tell me exactly what happened! you yelled at him "I'll tell you anything you want to know...over your grave!" he yelled back. You and Yoz kept struggling, and both of you keep punching each other off. Suddenly, both of you break off, Yoz takes his gun and points it at you, and pulls the trigger....*click* empty. Puzzled, Yoz puts the gun to his face, then screams in anger and runs away. You chase him, first across another big hall, then up some stairs. Yoz then goes inside a utility door, and you follow through. He starts climbing up a ladder and you follow, he opens a door and you both arrive at the rooftop of the Central Station. "You have nowhere to run Yoz" you say "I have more tricks up my sleeve, you scumbag!" he says "I'm going to get more answers out of you, even if I have to beat them out of your skull" you scream back at him. "I want to see you try! The boss was very pleased with you. You always finished all the drug deals, you sent "messages" to people without hesitation. But I knew something was wrong the MOMENT I saw you. AND I WAS RIGHT. You were an undercover cop or agent or whatever, and you came and killed the boss. I almost got to kill you, but those damned couldn't let me finish you!" he finished "What are you talking about?" you said "Nothing, we'll meet again" he said, then he run off the rooftop, leapt off the side and landed on the roof of a building on the other side of the road. After a few moments the WYM soldiers arrived. They went to the ledge of the roof, but couldn't jump to the other roof to pursue Yoz. After that they took a look at you, and then they started talking to the radio. "Anything wrong...?" you asked. They didn't answer, and kept talking. After they finished talking, they approached you "Take this to heal your wounds, now be gone!". They handed you a first aid kit, then turned around and left. "This is so strange..." you thought to yourself. Why would they let you go just like that? And on top of that give you aid? Something's wrong. You go down the stairs, to the main hall, and exit the building You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him again. You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second. However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school. You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further You go into the decaying school <You have received: A First Aid Kit> First Aid Kit: After using this item, you can save a player of your choice from 1 KP 3rd Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + Before opening you door, you check your gun. Empty as always. However, you decide to check the drawers, just in case. You start checking them as fast as you can. It takes you quite a lot of time, and after opening almost all of them you feel defeated. However you decide to open the last one...and then you find what you were looking for: bullets. You decide to load the gun with them, but suddenly you hear no more shots....it's silent. You open the door very closely, and take a peek..Yoz is nowhere to be seen, and neither are the WYM soldiers. Well, at least you didn't waste the bullets you just found, they may prove useful later. One receptionist is dead, and the other ones are running away screaming. Maybe Yoz tried to escape and the WYM chased him. You decide to go outside the front door. Then you see Yoz in the roof, and you see him leap over to another roof across the street. The WYM are unable to catch him, and he soon escapes. The WYM soldiers take a look at you,, then start talking to their radios and listening to something on them. After that they turn around and walk away. You'd think they would try to arrest you or something, considering your previous encounter at the store...this is weird. You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him. You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second. However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school. You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further You go into the decaying school <You have received: A Gun> Gun: After using this item, you can kill a player of your choice (1 KP) Event D: + Show Spoiler + Event: + Show Spoiler + You entered the school. It seemed so familiar. You can vaguely remember the faces of the students there. Then you get another flashback: You are in the hall, and there's a teenager there with you. He seems troubled, and you seem to try and confort him. He then turns his head away and runs away, and you look troubled. You regain your composure again.....yes....you remember now, you were a teacher in this school, way before. You enter a classroom, and you see the blackboard with something written on it "..sky, the best". Seeing those letters, seeing that classroom...now you remember everything. You were no cop, or undercover spy, you were a teacher at this school. You were Arthur Trotsky, junior high teacher. You had a normal life, you remember your wife Emily, and your son Titus. You remember you taught class in this classroom, and you remember your students very well. You loved your students, and they loved you back, but they came from troubled families, and were pushed into dealing with the mafia. You knew this, and that's why you tried to help them. They got into drugs, some were even working for the mafia dealing drugs themselves. But they couldn't help it, and you knew that. You remember some more...you remember that one day you went to one of the mafia thugs dealing drugs to your students, and asked him for some work. You wanted to protect your students, you tried infiltrating the mafia so you could stop everything from within so they could be free of the mafia and live a normal life. How naive of you... Your life....your family...your wife, your son. You remember where you used to live as well. You leave the school, and walk home. After a few minutes, you arrive....it's destroyed, just as everything else. You wonder, what happened to your family? It's been 2 years, hopefully they've escaped or are safe. You look around, but you can't find any clues. Everything of worth was already stolen, even the photographs [If Player has Rubber Duck] [ You go to the bathroom. You take the rubber duck out of your pocket. You remember this as well, this was your son's favourite duck, he always used to use it when taking a bath! ] You decide to search a little bit more for supplies, or something What do you do? 1)Search the kitchen 2)Search the bedroom [If Player has Rubber Duck] 3)User Rubber Duck 1st Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You search the kitchen, see if you can find any supplies, or any other clues about your past life. There is nothing in the fridge or in the drawers, not even knives. However, on the front of the fridge there is a drawing....a drawing your son made. It has his mommy and his daddy, under a purple house, under the sun. You try to hold back the tears....what if you never meet him again? The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?" It was Yoz's voice. "What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him "Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said "YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say "Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course. He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son <You have received: A Drawing > Drawing: After using this item, you can pardon someone from the lynch the next day 2nd Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You search the bedroom. You see some old clothes lying around..they are from your wife. Will you ever see her again? Feel her soft touch upon your cheeks? You feel like you'll never see her again, after all, where could she be? Where could your son be? They could be anywhere, they could even be de....no, you don't want to think about that, you just remembered about them, you can't just find out they died, they HAVE to be alive somewhere... You also notice a cellphone over the bed table. It was your wife's as well. You take it. It may not seem so useful, it has no batteries...but you never know. The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?" It was Yoz's voice. "What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him "Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said "YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say "Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course. He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son <You have received: A Cellphone > Cellphone: After using this item, choose 1 player, and you'll be able to communicate with that player for the remainder of the next phase (Day+Night cycle) 3rd Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You go to the bathroom and put the rubber duck on the bottom of it. Now you start crying, what if you'll never see your son again? You spend some time alone in that bathroom, waiting, maybe waiting your family will come back, maybe waiting your students will come back as well, and everything will be alright. After some time...you notice something shiny on the bottom of the bath: a coin. It may not be useful now in this world...but who knows, maybe it will be useful some time, for somebody else. The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?" It was Yoz's voice. "What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him "Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said "YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say "Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course. He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son <You have received: A Coin > Coin: After using this item, you can choose any player of your choice. You'll be able to steal that player's vote for the next day. Event E: + Show Spoiler + Event: + Show Spoiler + You follow Yoz's man down the road, until you arrive at an old building. "Go inside mate, d' boss is waiting for ya'" he said. You enter the decrepit building. Every step you make the whole framework croaks, it feels like it could crumble in any second now. After walking through a small passageway, you enter a huge room. It seems like an old ball room, it has a huge staircase going upstairs, with balconies on the sides. In the balconies above it's full of men...Yoz men. There's also quite a big checkered floor...and Yoz in the middle of it. "Where is my family!?" you yell at him. "If you want anything with me let me see my family first!". "Haha".. he says... "I'm afraid I can't do that Arthur" "What are you talking about? Explain yourself!" you scream back at him "Well...you see, I can't show you your family...because your family is already DEAD" ... Your heart sunks into your chest. You gasp for air, but you can't seem to find any... ....few moments ago you finally remembered your family, you finally realized the beautiful life you had...only for it to be taken away so quickly.. Seconds seem like years, you seem frozen in time, not knowing how to react. "Wh..why...how...when...." you mumble. "Yes, I killed them" Yoz said. "I knew you were and undercover agent, but the boss wouldn't listen. However, I decided to take matters into my own hands and killed your family, as deserved punishment for your treason!" he started laughing. "You...you monster....i'll kill you" you couldn't contain your rage anymore "Funny, because that's exactly what you tried to do! You came back to the hideout and started shooting everybody. You shot down most of our guards and went into the big boss' room. You demanded his blood for murdering your family, just like now! ahahah" he kept laughing. "..." you just kept staring at him with wrath "The boss took a shot off you, and you stayed down. But then from the floor you shot the boss on the back and he fell dead. Then you took a shot at me but I already started gathering my men and leaving; with the boss down I was on my own and wouldn't risk my life. You were going to die anyways." "It was afterwards they came. Those damn WYM ruining the party. That was the day they started that revolt of theirs or whatever. They stormed in the hideout and slaughtered everybody that remained. Luckily me and my men were already out by then, and you and the boss dead, so we left all that behind......but apparently I was wrong about you." "...I'm going to finish what I should have done 2 years ago, you won't get alive out of this one Yoz" you say, this time in a calm, firm voice. You know what has to be done. "Bring it on!" He said As soon as he finishes, you throw yourself at him, like a lion. He tries to aim with his gun, but before he can pull the trigger you already jump and tackle him. You throw a punch at him and connect. He throws another one, but you dodge it. You start pouncing at him with all your might. He seems surprised at your newly found strength, and is overwhelmed by it. One of his men come down the stairs and grabs you from behind. Yoz calmly stands up, then punches you in the gut "Looks like you can put up a fight huh? Haha" he laughs, while his men are holding you back [If Player has the Photo][ In between the struggle, it seems you dropped the photo of that little girl you had with you. "Hmm, let's see what we have here" Yoz said, and picked up the photo "Haha, I can't believe you still have this!" he said. "Wanna know a little fun story? Well, fun for me, you may not like it" he continued. "There was this kid I think you knew, who was with us. He was one of the guards of the boss. When you came in guns blazing, you didn't notice him and shot him dead, so so dead!" he started laughing again "You had to look at yourself after shooting that poor kid! The look of your face! You just shot your student or whatever! haha". You then remember. You remember the flashback you had at the school with that student, that kid. He was the one you wanted to protect all along, the one that made you "join" the mafia in the first place. But you were in a frenzy, your wife and infant son were murdered, and everybody that was with them was the enemy. You didn't notice him, you just noticed a mafia guard with a gun, so you took the shot. After the shot you noticed it was your student. After killing him, you went and looked into his pocket, and found that photo...a photo of his sister. In that moment of heat, in that split second you had to analyse what had happened, you bowed to take that girl as your own daughter, it would be the least you could do after the atrocity you did... ...but then you were shot, and left for dead and you were in a coma for 2 years. What could be of that girl in these 2 years? Anything could have happened to her, but she had no brother, you robbed her from that... ...you think maybe you deserve what happened to you, but....no....Yoz and Borini the Mafia boss are to blame. They coerced your students into taking the thug life, they murdered your family, they put your student in that uniform with that gun... ...most of them already paid with their lives, but there is one more. No matter how much you blame yourself, you can't rest easy until Yoz is finally put where he belongs... "No words, huh? Oh well, not like you are going to need them soon or anything, haha" Yoz said ] But before Yoz could say anything else, you see a grenade rolling to Yoz's side, then you hear a big explosion. Debris starts flying everywhere, and Yoz and his men fall to the floor. You hear that siren you heard before....the WYM. What a coincidence, it wasn't a long time ago the WYM rescued you from a similar situation back in the store. You hear shots flying everywhere, and screams of Yoz men. You roll to the side and hide behind a little fountain. Yoz is stumbling over his feet and is trying to get on top of the stairs, still hurt from that grenade. After a few moments, the coast is clear, this is your chance What do you do? 1)Follow him stealthily to where he's going and confront him later 2)Quickly get to him and confront him right now [If Player has the Gun] 3)Use Gun 1st Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You decide to play it safe. There are bullets flying everywhere right now, it wouldn't be wise to confront him in the main ball room. You crouch and silently follow him up the stairs. He starts tumbling from side to side He keeps going through a hallway, and into room. You follow him in, and you arrive outside, where Yoz is trying to get into a car. Right then you start running towards him. You won't be merciful now, you want him dead, and will try to do so as quick as possible. You tackle him again, but this time you go to his gun. Yoz is still stunned by the previous explosions and he can barely fight. You have nothing to lose right now, your past is gone, your family is dead, you are only fuelled by revenge, and that alone gives you enough strength to keep fighting. You 2 keep struggling until you subdue Yoz and take his gun. You quickly get on your feet and point the gun at him. Your eyes are wide open, your mouth open gasping for air, your chest beating rapidly, you can barely focus. You hear Yoz say something to you. You faintly hear something along the lines of "...you will not find..." and "..they won't come back, you know ..." and you hear him laughing. There's nothing else to do, no speech to give, nothing else to listen to....you pull the trigger, and Yoz falls to the ground. With the WYM wiping the rest of Yoz men inside the Yard, you take the car keys from Yoz's corpse, get into the car, and drive...and drive... You get out of the city, hoping to never set foot on it again. You may never recover from this....but it seems this was your fate. You are the Wanderer, cursed to wander, cursed to forget, now cursed to remember. You'll carry that curse as your own skin, because it's what you are now, it's what you've become. ENDING A. The Path of the Wanderer <You have received: A Car > Car: After receiving this item, you can hide behind another player, so if any actions are directed at you, they are instead directed that that player. 2nd Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You have no time to lose, you run towards Yoz as soon as you can. Before he gets halfway through the stairs, you tackle him down again. Both of you start rolling down the stairs. Yoz can barely stay up, and that's when you punch him, and keep punching him, and keep punching him. You are momentarily deaf from the ongoing explosions and battle, and in your rage your vision faults you The only thing you can feel is the pain of your fists...the pain and the wetness. After a couple of seconds, you suddenly stop. Yoz's head is a bloody pulp in the floor. You look around, there's no more whistling... All of Yoz's men are dead, and the WYM soldiers are standing right beside you. After a little while, you hear steps coming over to you. You look up, and see a tall imposing figure.. "Good job lad, we couldn't have tracked Yoz without you" the man said. "My name is Christian Stein. But maybe you know me for being the leader of the WYM." He said and extended his hand over to you to pick you up. You took his hand and stood up, but you could barely speak any words "Good job to you too for saving me before" "No problem! Ha" he laughed. "For your actions you deserve a reward. Here have this" he said, and he took something out of his back. It was a pile of cash, and a ticket to the local casino.. "You deserve some rest, have some fun!" He started to walk away from you, but suddenly he stopped in his tracks and asked you "Hey, you didn't seem to recognize me, did you?" "No, this is the first time I meet you" you respond back "Oh, haha!" he laughed. "I'm not used to people NOT knowing me around this town!. Stay safe, and be sure to not get into trouble." he added "I'll have a personal guard of WYM guards near you at all times, I don't want anything bad to happen to you!" after adding that, he kept walking and left the room. "Thanks..I guess?" you said, not knowing how else to react. Some of his men escorted you out of the building into their jeep. Soon you arrived at the casino, and they escorted you to your room. You took a nice long shower, went downstairs to eat some snacks, and played some roulette. You certainly felt lighter, and better. You take a look at the front door of the casino, and the WYM guards start looking at you with what seems disgust, and also had a playful look on them. You pay little notice, as you pour down another drink and keep playing. You won't be able to have a normal life, but at least you can drown your sorrows and spend the rest of your remaining miserable life in bliss, and maybe...just maybe, you might find solace in this bleak world. ENDING B. The Path of Submission <You have received: A Casino Ticket > Casino Ticket: After using this item, you can buy the next day's lynch. The next Day cycle, you can PM the host and the lynch will be on a player of your choice. 3rd Choice Response: + Show Spoiler + You remember you have the fully loaded gun from before. You take it out of your pocket, aim and yell "YOZ!!". Yoz turns around, and as soon as you pull the trigger he ducks, and keeps running up the stairs. You calmly walk up the stairs, but Yoz manages to go through a door, you follow him. You are outdoors. You end up in a sort of parking lot or garage, and there's a car in the middle of it. You aim at Yoz again and tell him "Don't move a muscle". Yoz freezes. You slowly move towards him, with the whole intent of killing him. "Wait...wait...before you kill me, don't you want to know what really happened?" he says "You already told me everything I need to know, I don't need you alive any longer" you tighten your grip. "You do sound like them, haha!" he laughs. "I know now why they chose you as undercover agent to infiltrate our family" he said. "You keep repeating I'm an undercover agent, but you are wrong" you said. "I'm just a teacher who wanted to protect his students and his family.. ...but ultimately failed. I'm no cop and I don't know what you are talking about" you say "You forgot about that too? Haha you moron" he kept laughing. He continued "You WERE an undercover agent, and undercover agent for those ****ers of the WYM". You were surprised to hear that "What..?" "I didn't figure it out until it was too late though. I knew you were suspicious, but after you left to your then dead family, it dawned on me you were with them." he said. You still have a shock in your face "So you are telling me you think those pretty white boys out there are helping you just because they are good people? NO, they are helping you because you are STILL their undercover agent, and your mission is to kill me...you just had forgotten about it, haha!" he laughs. "So...so that's why they let me go back in the Central Station? They thought I was still doing my mission?" you added "But I don't remember anything of that, and I DO remember joining the mob to help my students! The WYM had nothing to do with it!" you shout "Then your memories are betraying you". He said. "...none of this matters, you murdered my family, and I'll avenge them" you tighten your grip. "This is just too funny!" he said. "I didn't murder your family you dumb fuck". "What?" you were even more confused than before "I lied before" he said. "I lied, to make you angry and desperate, to make you suffer, to make you hate me even more!" he added. "You are lying right now, I remember everything" you said. "Well no you don't you piece of shit, we just established that earlier". He continued "I don't know who killed your family and I don't care. You are such a stupid fuck you believed it was us that did so, and that stupid mistake costed me of my home and family. Not that I'm not enjoying this though, but I had more coke and bitches back then!" You lower your gun, you seem to believe the words he's saying. "So who killed my family then?". But before he could say anything, you heard a monstrous noise, just before Yoz got riddled with bullets all over his body. "I did" you heard from behind. You turn around and see a tall and imposing figure. He's carrying a minigun, one he just used to riddle Yoz with bullets. "You...who are you?" you ask in shock "I am Christian Stein, leader of the WYM" he said, not leaving his combat stance at all and pointing the minigun at you. "What he said is true, you did work for us" he continues. "2 years ago we were desperately trying to find a reason to rise in arms against the government, but not be persecutted by the masses in doing so. We later learned, from our hidden spies inside the mafia family, of you rising to power. Ha! Who would have thought a slim ol' teacher could do something like that?" he laughed. "So we contacted you, we told you we wanted some dirt on the mafia so we could bring them to justice legally, we told you we wanted you to give us inside-info on all their shady business. And you bought all of it" He continued "We forced you into taking high-risk mafia jobs, and even ones you were against, like deliberately dealing drugs to children and even committing murder. You refused to do those, but you had to do them to gain more of the family's trust. After a long list of failed missions and you failing to follow our orders, I got fed up and ordered your family dead". He stopped You just couldn't believe it...this man, the one that seemingly had the WYM help you all along your journey, was the one that murdered your family, and you mistakenly thought it was the mafia that did it, and mistakenly murdered most of them! He then added "We figured out we had enough dirt on the mafia, so we got rid of you and made our move..." ..you interrupt him "but why would you need dirt on the mafia if your fight was against the government?" "Well my boy, because the mafia were receiving funds and dirty money from the government. The government used the mafia to control the whole city, to control it with fear. They staged police runs against them just for appearances, they were all content in their little scheme to rule over everything in this city. But after some info you got on the mafia, we were able to convince the masses of the government's evil deeds, which made it quite easy for us to gain support in taking over the city!" He continued "We marched that day down to the mafia hideout to wipe them out, only to find out you've done most of our job for us! Haha such irony" You then have another flashback. You remember being on the floor in the mafia hideout, still breathing. You hear the mafia boss groaning in the ground where you shot him, but he gets up, ignores you and decides to run outside. You then hear him pleading for his life, and a couple of shots.You then hear a body fall to the ground. You then remember a tall figure coming into the room....it was Stein. He was grinning, he couldn't believe what was happening. "I can't believe this boy! You did this!? Ahahah" he laughed as hard as he could, and you couldn't believe what was happening. "Let me give you a final reward boy, for your services!" he said, he raised his gun, and you saw a flash....you don't remember anything anymore. "Yes, I was the one that shot you, couldn't really have you alive and telling secrets out there could I?" He continued. "I was quite surprised when I heard you were still alive, but apparently so was Yoz, and he seemed to have taken a like for you this past few days. I let my WYM guards let you go so you could lead us to Yoz, and lo and behold, you did! Another great job!" he then starts clapping. He continued "I heard about you losing your memory, and I couldn't believe it either! I decided to even let you live if you survived this ordeal, under heavy surveillance of my men of course. Too bad you found out the truth, because now I have to kill you..." he starts pulling the trigger of his minigun, which starts spinning. You jump to the side and hide behind the car, and you hear all the bullets penetrating the other side of it. The only way you can beat him is to run around him, he will have little speed to turn around with that thing. You wait for the perfect opportunity.....and then you hear the minigun's cylinders slow down. You then start running to the side of the car and keep running. Stein starts shooting you again, but can't keep up with your speed while he turns around. After you run almost behind of him, you do a flip, land, take your gun and shoot... Everything is silent for a while, you can only hear the minigun's cylinders slowing down again. You then hear Stein cough, and he coughs blood. Then in the split of an eye, the giant falls to the ground, defeated. You go down towards him, and point the gun at his face "You made me realize something Stein" You continued "I made a lot of mistakes, I was manipulated by everybody, I had everything important in my life stolen from me, and then have it been rubbed in my face by the likes of you.... ....but I know now this is not my fault. If men like you are still alive, then other men, other good men, women and children will suffer the same fate my family did, the same fate I did. By getting rid of you and Yoz, I'm making the world a better place...and now this barren world is the only thing I have left" You kept talking "After you die the WYM will surely disbandle. But even if someone takes charge, if he's a same man as you, I'll find him. I'll find him, and the next one, until I know I can at least prevent what happened to me and my family, and my students, and the people I loved from happening to them..." ... Before taking the shot, you see him grin, but before he can say anything you shoot him in the face....once...twice....three...countless times. You hear the WYM soldiers back inside wondering what's happening, so without wasting time you search Yoz's body for keys. You find some car keys, you hop in the car and leave. As you are driving you remember Lina back at the bar. She didn't know you, but she gave you shelter, gave you food, gave you warmth, and gave you weapons to defend yourself. She doesn't deserve to live in a place like this, run by men like Stein. Even if your past is bleak and full of pain and sorrow, you can only look to the future now, to Lina's future, to every good man and woman's future. You have no life of your own now, but you can at least give them a life to live. This is your path now, and you embrace it. Not because it was fallen on to you, but because you chose to follow it... ENDING C. The Path of Redemption <You have received: A Minigun > Minigun: You can only use this item at the Day phase. Once used, you can use 1 KP on the target of your choice as a day-vig. This item has 2 shots before being consumed. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:15 GMT
#3618
Also it's one shot Hmm...although I had it thought with more players in mind lol. I thought that by N3 there would be like 10-13 players alive, so he using them right there wouldn't be that OP; but if he kept them for longer he could get shot/lynched Also, if Xfire was scum, wouldn't it be Bullshit Anti-Town Voltron? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:18 GMT
#3619
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:36 GMT
#3622
Like...I did, but I just said "okay I'll try to ignore the role". Obviously it wouldn't really work and didn't work like that, but well I tried This works better if the role was given by the host in a non-PTP game. Nobody other than the hosts then knows about it. So yeah, if it's used in another themed game it might fare better *WINK* *WINK* HOSTS *WINK* *WINK* Anyways, ONE role had to make things difficult for you guys, if not where's the fun? >_> (except BC's DT check) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:37 GMT
#3623
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:42 GMT
#3625
I almost made 1000 posts in this game alone lolololololol DAMN YOU AUSTIN/HOSTS FOR KILLING ME BEFORE THE 40 PAGE MARK! ;_; | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:57 GMT
#3632
Actually yes...the worst problem a PTP game can have is non-existance.......sk8 I'm looking at you CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY SOMEONE LIED ABOUT MY ROLE SOMEHOW I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON Sk8 said he made me veteran lookout who can track people that make visits at night or some shit. That didn't sound so bad (although it being passive is kind of a drag, the most fun PTP roles are interactive). Then hosts said they didn't change roles at all basically, other than little tweeks ....yet I got fucking vengeful-spirit townie-killer wtf, who is lying? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:59 GMT
#3633
On July 04 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On July 04 2013 00:41 austinmcc wrote: On July 03 2013 09:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I ended up hating the first part of my role. Every time I've made a PTP role, I'm thinking of something fun from a town side of things, not really one that's great for everyone.Austins power was so fucking pro town that he blended in so well with terrible townies -_- I figured someone would get the role, send out messages, give away something pro-town (with the option for roleblocker if mafia got it), and then over the course of 2-3 days amass a bunch of info about who chose what, be able to release it and maybe do something good. In mafia's hands, especially with only 3 of us and getting outed early, it was "Force yourself to give town powers." I send out PMs, have to claim the PMs eventually, and then it becomes horribly obvious that I've been gifting powers to mafia if I ever do. I can't even fake anything, because I'd have to fakeclaim both a fake target of my role-gifting AND lie about someone choosing that person AND have that person on the list anyway, because the second person-chooser would know if they weren't. I could have maybe given us a vig somewhere, but it would have come out later. Stupid role just couldn't be NOT pro town, the best I could do was give vet or hope people mediced the targets I thought they would. Also, as far as roles are concerned, I loved the idea of a choose your own adventure role, almost made one as well, but...I don't think I like how they work in actuality. At least for the other faction, knowing that gonzaw knew crossfire's role, could lead him to all the good choices and none of the mediocre, and could talk in code with crossfire. The choose your adventure role becomes a quasi-mason AND is toughish to balance because instead of having all these choices, crossfire can be told what choices to make each time for the best outcome. Tip for next time: don't make a role that only works for scum FTFY | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 19:21 GMT
#3636
If not scum would give every townie a shitty role like the one I had for instance, and would give each other the most anti-town OP role ever. That's not fun, the most fun of PTP are the weird insanely awesome roles. If this happens the role creation will be mechanized to make strategic plans and shit, and it will lose its magic If you really feel like it's unfair or too "swingy", then some general guidelines could be made. Like, the hosts can give some "rules" every role should have, like: "If you want to give the role day KP, include an optional night KP one as well. Once all roles are created, if more than 4 roles have day KP they will be randomized and random ones will instead be changed to use the optional night KP instead, until there are 4 roles that have day KP". Hosts could give more rules/guidelines so it's not so "bad" and every role could have a chance. A main rule should be that the role MUST be usable for both town, scum and 3P. A balance talk with the role creator and hosts can determine how much each faction would use that role, how powerful it would be to each of them, etc. After all is somewhat organized, alignments are sent. Granted, I think this would need MORE than just 24 hours to create a role. It should be something like "Ok, this game (D1) starts in 1 week. You guys have 1 week to create your roles. You must first give a preliminary role to us 3 days before D1 so we can analyze it and contact you to discuss balance and changes". | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 19:28 GMT
#3637
Maybe 10 roles have day KP, and not a single one has a day-KP-protection one, or day-watchers, day-trackers, day-RBers, etc. Maybe in another PTP there are 10 roles with night KP, while every medic/RB/etc works at day only. Maybe there is not a single RBer, so neither scum can RB anybody, nor town can RB scum, and all blues run rampant and imba shit can happen Maybe there are certain cool mechanics that nobody else takes advantage of but just 1 role, so that role may become dominant in that aspect and control the game, or it could just be less fun since there is less synergy and counterpoint between roles that use that mechanic (for instance DTs and GFs/Framers, etc) It could just get balanced by luck or be totally fricking imba (to one faction or another). It is possible for hosts to give those guidelines or do something so it's both more balanced and there are more interactions between roles and back-and-forths between them other than "dude X made super OP nuka-shot that killed 3 dudes on D1, dude Y gave 10 people lice on N1, dude Z stole votes from 3 players on D2", etc, where every role is just in it's own world or something. But if you do that you take away freedom for players to create roles they want. If someone is creating a protective role, you can't force him to put night KP or a framer ability in there or something (whatever the hosts+rules say), he may not like it, the role may be worse, etc. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 19:44 GMT
#3639
On July 04 2013 04:36 austinmcc wrote: PTP5: PY(PTP) Everyone creates a role, roles are all in the open and get drafted? e: With some extra roles thrown in or something. PTP6: PT(PY(PTP)) Everybody creates a role. Roles are all out in the open and get drafted. Everybody first chooses a role Then you get the name of another player, and the role that player chose. Then you have to choose that players draft number. After all are chosen, the usual draft sequence is made to determine who gets which role | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 20:10 GMT
#3640
I mean, traditionally, the "host" is an entity of the mafia game that creates the game, creates roles, and "hosts". By "hosts" I mean he takes all actions, resolves them, posts day posts, makes flips, makes votecounts, etc. So, with PTP games we are abstracting more that standard model. Now hosts aren't the ones creating roles, but players are. So why can't we abstract it a little bit more and make players create games? I mean, the part that actually differs hosts from players is the "hosting" (making posts, counting votes, etc), not anything else. How a "Pick Your Game" game would work? I have no idea. But I'm sure Grey+iGrok can come up with something that's awesome! | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 20:27 GMT
#3642
That works as well. You don't need to make that guy have his alignment struck out though. With your idea, I think it would be something like Themed Game Mafia. Every day is a different "day". You either elect someone to choose the next day's "game", or he's chosen in a different way. Then the guy can choose what type of game to do, that game will span 1 cycle (day+night). He can choose a Pick Your Poison or similar game (he gets to choose the poisons for instance). He could pick an Election type of game, where he chooses the powers the elected players will have. He may choose a Death Factory or similar game. Basically he can PM the host the new mechanics the game will have that day+night, the host checks it out and the host "hosts" it while the player continues playing that same game Another option is have EVERYBODY create a game before game starts and alignments are set out (just like now in PTP people create roles before game starts). Then the host randomizes those "games", puts them in a specific order, and the actual game goes from one of those games to the next. For example, there are 3 players. One creates a Pick Your Poison-style game, another an Election-style game, and another a Double-Lynch-With-Vote-Shenanigans one. The host randomizes that shit, and gets that first the Election game will go through, then the PYP game, then the Vote one. So D1+N1 is the Election one, D2+N2 is PYP, and D3+N3 is the Vote one. In this case it'd be hard to get EVERYBODY's game to be played. If you have 16 players, you would need 16 cycles to put that shit together....you would most likely just experience 4-6 games, and all other players will never be able to see their game in action Maybe you can make 1 game span a phase and not cycle (D1 is a game, N1 is a different game, etc), so you have double the games (so everybody's game can be played). | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 04 2013 02:17 GMT
#3653
On July 04 2013 05:53 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 04 2013 03:57 gonzaw wrote: I had no troubles with the PTP aspect of the game. I mean, I didn't really cry at night because of kita's day vig, geript's MK, the TARDIS fucking us up, etc. Actually yes...the worst problem a PTP game can have is non-existance.......sk8 I'm looking at you CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY SOMEONE LIED ABOUT MY ROLE SOMEHOW I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON Sk8 said he made me veteran lookout who can track people that make visits at night or some shit. That didn't sound so bad (although it being passive is kind of a drag, the most fun PTP roles are interactive). Then hosts said they didn't change roles at all basically, other than little tweeks ....yet I got fucking vengeful-spirit townie-killer wtf, who is lying? This is the role PM I got from sk8: Show nested quote + Original Message From xxSK8rGUy277xx: You are a Mischevious Troll! If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide. At night, you can activate your Troll Toll. If any player visits you while you are doing this, they will gain the ability "If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide". At night, you can visit a player and remove the ability "If you are lynched, one of your guilty voters must commit suicide". You may not activate the Troll toll AND visit a player on the same night. You are immune to suiciding from lynching someone. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know if it's worded correctly. But this is my ROLE! :D On June 26 2013 12:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: dont be all upset cause the role I wrote for u got nerfed. I could post the original I wrote for you. It was jester veteran lookout but the lookout gives u numbers with alignment instead of names, cuz that would just be OP. and then u can use your second ability to remove the jester ability from people based on the number u received. i.e. When activatd 1 visted u, they are MAFIA 2 visted u, they are town so basically u could confirm players that visitedd u BUT u dont know who visited u and then become jesters. I guess it got nerfed though since apparently u say it blos. I thot it was pretty balanced ... why why would someone do that why please tell me | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 04 2013 02:18 GMT
#3654
On July 04 2013 06:47 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On July 04 2013 05:10 gonzaw wrote: How about a "Pick Your Game" game? I mean, traditionally, the "host" is an entity of the mafia game that creates the game, creates roles, and "hosts". By "hosts" I mean he takes all actions, resolves them, posts day posts, makes flips, makes votecounts, etc. So, with PTP games we are abstracting more that standard model. Now hosts aren't the ones creating roles, but players are. So why can't we abstract it a little bit more and make players create games? I mean, the part that actually differs hosts from players is the "hosting" (making posts, counting votes, etc), not anything else. How a "Pick Your Game" game would work? I have no idea. But I'm sure Grey+iGrok can come up with something that's awesome! Are you maybe looking for something like this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397553 Yes, that was exactly on my mind. Except instead of Grey coming up with each cycle's game, it is players themselves | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 04 2013 19:52 GMT
#3658
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 04 2013 19:53 GMT
#3659
If you were death-GF scum, then GG there's no need to keep lying now, game already ended | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 04 2013 19:54 GMT
#3660
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