EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run
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K I take offense to the person  WhO brought up the "PrO gf snipe", that was like my worst game ever.Also I hate to be that person but this game started on a really inconvenient  Weekend and I will be gone all tomorrow. However after that no issues. Also in the spirit of the game thus far, I think we should kill kurumi and zephirdd for calling out this fantastic thread of Great players doing god's work. | ||
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Note that for tonight I went through the filters of gonzaw, BC, and Kita because I feel like I know them best as players. Gonzaw is looking very good to me, I agree with most of what he says and I like his points on zephrid. BC is weird. idk wtf he was thinking with that shot (which is still very fishy) his anger feels very... forced I guess. I spent a while trying to decipher the shot and his attitude is general but in the end I'm just gonna go with too dumb to be scum (but wouldn't stake my life on that, I myself have tried the "too dumb to be scum" trick and it didn't work  )Kita is troubling, I'm gonna call FoS on him. In particular, this post right here reeks: On June 23 2013 04:27 kitaman27 wrote: FOS Acro for claiming to believe that I'm either scum or the xxx role creator and then proceeding to leave me off his list of suspicions. Makes me question whether or not his reads or real. I also think enough people have shot down his bad role claim idea that he doesn't need to continue pushing it. He is sharing enough opinions though that I don't want to lynch him yet though. Does anyone remember off the top of their head what was the game where tnkted (?) had that role where he had to get people to respond to his ## power in the thread? I had thought it was PTP 1, but apparently not. I don't like skater or WoS lynches right now. ##Vote Austin I think austin would be a good person to consider right now. He commented on a role plan that had already been beaten to death and that's about it. Firstly he FoS's acro for a really dumb reason, then he goes and votes austin without much more than "he commented on something popular" which is very weak. He asks kinda pointless questions and then apologizes for inactivity when no one had even called him out. I really expect a lot more out of town kita. Now I'd like to talk about how people reacted after BC's shot because I think it reveals some very telling things. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2013 04:34 WaveofShadow wrote: See, now we have a problem. If he flips newbie town (which may or may not have been completely obvious depending on how you think about it) then you may again be finding yourself getting lynched D1. Reasoning: I don't think his posting warranted a vig shot as he was contributing. This means the rationale for a shot like that is supposedly that BC thinks Skater is scum, which given the way he has played isn't completely obvious. Skater could very well have been noob town and BC is good enough to know this. On June 23 2013 04:35 s0Lstice wrote: You are alive until a mod flips you. I hope I'm wrong, but I really am not a fan of this BC. He was at least talking a lot, and would have been readable more and more as we continued...annoying or not, I think you just killed a townie. These two posts strike me as really odd, especially WoS's. Think about it, townies don't know who is town (obviously) and yet both of these people are pretty quick, and by quick I mean within a few posts of BC shooting, to call Sk8 town. The instant I read BC's shot I actually assumed it was a fake and he was just looking for people to suddenly jump out and defend sk8 as if they somehow knew he would flip town. Now we still don't know sk8's alignment (I am personally a fan of gonzaw's post here describing the situation) but we can still see if either solstice or WoS acted strangely in their defense of sk8. Solstice was arguing against BC in the pages before the "shot", WoS on the other hand was actually much more in line with BC's thinking before the death as we can see here + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2013 04:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Whoa, wow. This post is horrible and reeks of bias. You have absolutely no way of knowing this whatsoever. My role is pretty damn hilarious. What does it mean that I just said that? I also denied you your role, you know, because you could be scum and giving you an advantage is bad? You are completely neglecting to take into account town perspectives in your post at all, and it looks as though you're just trying as hard as you can to place BC in a scummy light. Even if WoS didn't flat out call sk8 scum, you can't deny there is still a sudden tone change in those two posts. This could be coincidence and an honest change of opinion by WoS or it could be scum positioning themselves better if sk8 flipped town. This would be a lot more clear cut if sk8 had actually flipped (If he flipped scum this wouldn't even be an issue) but I think it's significant enough that I'm gonna FoS WoS, put my vote on him in case I don't wake up for the deadline, and if I do I'm gonna take a serious look at him. Ok it's three am and this logic makes sense in my head, if no one understands this just pepper me with questions and I'll try to explain it tomorrow. | ||
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Gonna check out solstice now | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:10 Zephirdd wrote: you've done jack shit. What's your stance on sk8r? I may have less posts than you but in terms of content you're the one who's done jack. I already talked about my position on sk8, I'm with gonzaw and I think he's probably not scum. | ||
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On June 24 2013 04:19 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote: You're tunnelling on me is to just derail the train on yourself. If I was lying hard, I wouldn't have revealed my RP name. The person who wrote my role understands how I survived. I like this post. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:16 Zephirdd wrote: ^that makes sense posting again because of page flipping Of course it makes sense because you're under the gun. Ok so I don't like snb's absence but I'm a lot more certain about zephrid being scrum, his sudden desire to kill snb is pure self preservation. If you're town and you're about to be lynched you don't just go looking around for anyone, you look for scum. As opposed to scum hunting, zephrid is just going for an easy target. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:28 gonzaw wrote: GODDAMIT WHY DID I OVERSLEEP Snb will get replaced, I don't really see him that much as scum (although I could). He has the same amount of votes as solstice so it's not a "he's better than NL" lynching solstice is also better than NL. Gonzaw could you read zephrid again and tell me what you think? | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:29 kitaman27 wrote: So are you saying that Zeph is the only person you'd consider today? I will not switch off of zeph to kill solstice. I'd kill WoS but he's not getting any traction so I'll deal with him another day. | ||
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On June 24 2013 05:33 Xatalos wrote: You'd rather take no-lynch than lynch a player who is 80% scum and whose flip would reveal TONS of information? He's not 80% scum. He's not even 50% at best. Pull your head out, read some filters, and get informed. Also sol's death tells us like nothing lol. | ||
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Why the fuck didn't we kill zephrid? Gonzaw I'm getting suspicious of you, your push for austin seems very half assed an apologetic as if preparing for him flipping town. Not only that, you completly ignored zephrid who you had already called out. I really liked your play until like the last two hours of the day. Bro that looks really bad. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote: Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)? Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain? I find your explanation for your actions lackluster at best, I know you're better than doing something because its convenient. I wouldn't say I am tunneling zephrid, I think he was much more likely to be scum than solstice (and whoop dee do, solstice was town). WoS remains my primary target and after the way kurumi has acted I'd be down with lynching him as well. As for my "complaining" I'm really just irritated with you. Stupidity from dandel, kurumi, et all is to be expected but I was reallylooking for more from you. | ||
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Also sk8 makes a good point about mafia motivation behind killing solstice, what did they gain by doing so. | ||
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On June 24 2013 06:54 Kurumi wrote: What if he can roleblock everyone that lovetaps him? We had this role for Torte de Lini where he would roleblock everyone who would quote him. Kurumi you're sounding paranoid, got something to hide? Also I wrote the roleblock role for tdl lol... | ||
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I'm going out, thought everyone should know since this thread seems to care an aweful lot about who is doing what. | ||
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On June 22 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright what in the actual FUCK is going on in here. Let's see: Dandel amuses me. The fact that I don't have to be on a scum team with him this game makes it even better since I don't have to freak out at everything he does. Having never participated in a game like this before I have to ask: are we supposed to be tryharding at all or fucking around all game? There appear to be people firmly entrenched in both camps and I can't honestly say which I want to be a part of yet. Geript: No love for you. DRIVE THAT TRAIN STRAIGHT INTO MY TUNNEL BABY I don't know anybody else who posted so I don't have anything else to say. Actually I do know solstice and BC but I don't care about them. So, who got my role? WoS starts out with a very weird post complaining about the “fucking around” going on. The game has only been going on for a few pages and he’s already divided people into camps of “tryharding” and “fucking around” ultimately however, this post does nothing. It’s pure fluff with the intention of looking all townie and concerned. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: He mentions player names and yet makes no reads. He exploits the state of the thread to appear townie. On June 22 2013 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote: I WISH I could stream, sadly small children and lack of internet do not allow for such frivolities, at least not until late August or something. I'ma go play a bot game for my win of the day. Dandel you should play with me. Why don't I have you on my flist? Is it 'cause you're SCUM??? On June 22 2013 11:16 WaveofShadow wrote: A big wat to this post. Acro, y u good host but bad mafia player? Let’s take these next two posts at the same time, unfounded accusations against two players for no reason. Now WoS will probably say he was just fucking around with the first post, however remember this is something he already ranted about and is thus inconsistent with his earlier “anger” at the state of the thread. A townie would have kept consistent, however scum would see no reason to actually improve thread atmosphere. Now the second post is even worse in my mind, he goes after acro despite having said he had “joined the tryhard camp” hereSo despite “tryharding” the best he can do is still an unfounded accusation. TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: Despite his earlier concern for the thread, WoS contributes nothing of value and instead flings around accusations. His second accusation was made even after he talked about tryharding. On June 22 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote: /tryhard pants ##Vote: Acrofales kita. kita. He scum. Vote fer him. It would have been fine if WoS had done this after substantiating his Acro concerns but he doesn’t. Instead he votes him after no more analysis other than this. He also buddies up to kita. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS does nothing to advance his case. On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff. Wtf is this post right here? He plays the noob card an acts apologetic in the same post. Like I can’t get over how bad his excuse is for his play thus far, he’s worth killing imo based on this alone. The he brings up acro, but his reasons are horrible. He mentions that he’s “not sure about him” seemingly because acro hasn’t discussed him? I’m sitting here writing this and I still can’t get over how horrible this reasoning is. Not only is it horrible, it’s incredibly forced. WoS clearly needed a reason to justify his suspicions of acro and this was the best he could do. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS plays the noob card and apologizes for his earlier actions then proceeds to force a suspicion of acro. On June 23 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think it's self-explanatory at all. Acro, I am neither a fail scum or an inept townie. It's not going to be that easy for you, my man. As far as scumreads go, don't have any yet, aside from you. If you're so keen to drive conversation along towards other reads all of a sudden, do you have any others? This is literally his next post, he offers a defense against himself and then says his only scumread is sk8. Literally his only previous mention of sk8 is, and I quote, “fucking skaterman.” And yet someone sk8 is his number one scumread. He has conveniently forgotten about acro. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: As pressure is starting to build on sk8 in the thread, WoS suddenly adopts sk8 as his number one read and drops acro. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: How were you forced to reveal your ability exactly? I really don't follow your train of thought. On June 23 2013 03:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Explain. Never played with Kurumi as far as I can remember. On June 23 2013 03:25 WaveofShadow wrote: This question is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. Why would you ask such a question Kurumi? On June 23 2013 04:01 WaveofShadow wrote: kk. I feel like we're missing/haven't heard from half the thread in a while. So much lurk = so much boring. ##Unvote I want to talk with more people I actually know somewhat. Kita, geript, DI? Where yall at? Filler questions which serve no purpose other than make WoS look active TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: see above, it’s the same On June 23 2013 04:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I dunno, the paranoia he's exhibited towards his role and his constant discussing it, along with the usage of it in the first place makes it seem as though he knows people have been watching him all game thus far. Whether he's worried about being under pressure from you remains to be seen. The lack of proper play is concerning but I am not convinced yet. Look at the wording of this post, it’s incredibly wishy washy and weak. Now if WoS was discussing someone who he had a null read on I’d understand, but remember this is sk8 who is supposedly WoS’s number one read. If you read this post a couple times you’ll notice it literally doesn’t say anything. In fact, he directly contradicts himself from earlier, he went from having sk8 as his number one scum suspect to being “not convinced yet” TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS completely backtracks on his earlier scum read on sk8 in perhaps the weakest way possible. On June 23 2013 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote: Solstice I do, I do <3 you. The vote on Acro wasn't for shits and giggles, but the manner in which he has posted has somewhat appeased me a little lately. I think kita summed it up nicely in that Acro will remain on my radar but I could look elsewhere for now. This is just lulzy, he now admits that his acro vote was trolling but remember he made that vote after he said he was tryharding and he even tried to justify his reasons. TAKE AWAY FOR THIS POST: WoS fucks up. Now I’d like to take a break from WoS for a second and bring attention back to my post about reactions to BC’s shot My post here is required reading. Notice my point about WoS. I will admit that it is perhaps not the strongest point in a vacuum, however when you look at it with the rest of my analysis it, it suddenly becomes very strong. Read my post again and remember that sk8 was WoS’s number one scum read. His. Number. One. Scum. Read. He doesn’t have any others. He is preparing for a possible green flip and wants to make himself look as good as possible. I know that if someone vigi’d WoS right now I’d be stoked we didn’t have to waste a lynch on him. Most people would probably be happy to see that their number one scum read had been shot. Nope, WoS takes a defensive stance. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: If you’ve only been reading the take aways, please actually read all of my analysis on this one, it’s too important. On June 23 2013 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote: How could you possibly know to put them in the same boat as Grush/Kush? Isn't this his first game here? This honestly looks like a masking attempt kita, don;t you see it? Like, I get the frustration and I'm all on board to start policy lynching/vigging people like Kush/Vayne/whoever in other games, but I don't see what Skater was doing as actively hurting town, and it's WAY too early in the game to determine that he'd be one of those left alive at LYLO. Buddy buddy buddy with kita. Also calls out BC for fake frustration, oh the irony… Also he continues to argue against the shot. Let’s review quickly, WoS thought sk8 was scummy, BC thought sk8 was scummy, BC shot sk8, WoS attacked BC’s shot… TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS continues to show zero consistency and instead seems content to go with the thread. Similar posts here On June 23 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I don't buy it. I've seen BC lose his temper. BC knows that people have seen him lose his temper. Can you link me something from Personality 2 (apparently an infamous game that nobody likes to talk about) that indicates why you think this more likely town BC? So wait, is BC now scum WoS? This is something scum love to do and that’s discredit people without directly calling them scum. WoS has been doing it to BC for several posts now. What he’s implying here is that “BC is scum using fake rage to hide his actions.” Of course it would be an aggressive stance to take so WoS is trying to hide behind cautious words. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS discredits BC, but rather than take a firm stand he continues with his wishy washy behavior. Similar posts here here here On June 23 2013 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Because I didn't think he was being fucktarded enough to mess with the thread. I don't see any evidence that 'letting him be fucktarded' remains in scum interests in any way since at least to me Skater was well on his way to proving his towniness to me. I've said so and argued for it. Suddenly sk8 was “well on his way to proving his towniness.” L o fucking l. WoS goes with the thread, he was on sk8 when the thread was, now that BC is under the gun he’s going after BC. Convenient. He also gets in a few more bashes at BC. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to base his reads on how popular they’ll be in the thread. Next we have a two post tango. We go from this: On June 23 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote: I disagree with this somewhat but I'll accept it. What interests me is this being solely an effort to divine my alignment. Did you come to any conclusions? I also don't recall you asking these sorts of things in Les Mafia. To this: On June 24 2013 02:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Solstice is scum. I'm sure of it. ##Vote: s0Lstice I probably won't be around until later but guys trust me on this. WAGON OF JUSTICEEEEEEE What I’ve quoted for you are WoS’s first interaction with solstice and then his next interaction. I think I’m starting to sound like a broken record here but WoS changes his scumreads based on the thread. Like really, let’s review, he had no scum reads other than sk8, sk8 got shot at and he started going after BC, then the thread turned on solstice (who was fucking town), and WoS is all over him. WoS really doesn’t care who dies, he just doesn’t want to stand out, TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: WoS fucks up again On June 24 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Is there enough time to not make today a no-lynch? I'll switch if so. I fucking hate no lynch. I want BLOOD Yuuuup, let’s kill someone to get those town numbers down amirite WoS? On June 24 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote: He never WAS scum. Do you honestly think that he's a bad a scum player as he's been? It's honestly stupid that we have people here who have played more than one game on TL and they honestly believe that sk8 could be scum atm. SWITCH YOUR VOTES Now WoS is rewriting history, sk8 “never WAS scum” lol unreal. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS fucks up again On June 24 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Good timing! Yeah if I was around I would have hammered 100% 'cause I love seein' me some flip even though I haven't read into austin in the slightest. Take that whatever way you will, but I'm telling the truth. I think it's kinda funny that it was even insinuated that I should be modkilled because I didn't vote btw. Like....was it MZ who said 'yeah don't modkill/warn Wave 'cause he wasn't around for the solstice kill.' Even if it was a scumplan of mine to conveniently disappear, it's obvious that I was around and voted immediately prior to that so there is no need for a modkill or warning. I don't even see the point in bringing it up. I find it less odd that I am being suspected of afking on purpose than MZ's defense of me, and those two things are definitely incompatible. WoS really just gives it away here, “I’d hammer him for the flip.” That’s not a very townie mindset -_- Then he brings up the fact he was afk and tries to say I defended him? All I was saying was that since the shot happened so fast it wouldn’t be fair to modkill people who didn’t vote but WoS feels the need to get on a giant explain train as to why he wasn’t here. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to kill whoever is under the gun as has been shown time and again, furthermore he brings up nonsense points to muddy the waters. On June 24 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I won't be killed at night obv so I'll share scumreads when I get home and have some time later. It'll probably be after deadline. Yup, he knows he’s not gonna die lol. Also I’d love to see some unique scumreads but my guess is they’ll be whatever it is that the thread is currently discussing. Ok I’m done here, this guy is so scum it’s not even funny. | ||
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IF YOU HAVE ALMOST CONFIRMED SCUM, YOU KILL CONFIRMED SCUM. Scum team was outed d2, I've never seen a town blow a game so epically as this. | ||
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Other than that it was a fun game, thanks to decon and sent for hosting. Also fuck you BC I thought we were bros lol | ||
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On July 03 2013 12:10 geript wrote: The funny thing about this, despite I'm sure no one believing me, is that the D1 lynch story is 100% true. I find this to be the most ironic thing of the game. The event that exposed the scum team was entirely innocent and accidental. Geript really wasn't around and I actually did go watch indycar haha | ||
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On July 05 2013 05:09 Acrofales wrote: Hihi. First game that scum MVP goes to a townie AND town MVP goes to a scummer? Eh I think austin should just get both MVPs, it's only fair. | ||
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