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On June 26 2013 05:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
something to keep in mind:
Acro wasn't super townie (at least not to me lel) and had a meh role, so he was probably shot for his reads, which were austin, snb and MZ.
Just puttin that one out there.
Scum wouldn't know his role before he actually flipped, but otherwise yeah.. Seems like a good reason. Plus he was quite townish anyway.
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On June 26 2013 05:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
something to keep in mind:
Acro wasn't super townie (at least not to me lel) and had a meh role, so he was probably shot for his reads, which were austin, snb and MZ.
Just puttin that one out there.
Well, Acro was onto "Xatalos" before backing down, so if Xata is scum it'd make sense to off him (Damn it Xatalos GIVE ME THE GAMES, at least tell me the names of your previous games so I can search them myself goddamit  )
He was pretty townie.
Scum most likely pussied out of killing me so Acro is most likely the 2nd choice.
Unless sk8 is scum and said "let's keep gonzaw alive because he has the shittiest role in existence and won't be able to do anything to us mwahahaha!"
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Yeah him wanting to lynch MZ on D2 is probably the main reason. Dunno so much about austin/snb lots of people wanted to kill those
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meh I wanna do shit
##Mortal kombat Kita and shit bongo bongo.
This creates a random vote thing from 3 ppl. Whoever has more votes gets killed and stuff.
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Also, I'm immune to it so you might as well vote Kita.
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On June 26 2013 03:44 gonzaw wrote:
have not read shit, but new info came to my passing about the super (shitty) gun
If I use it now, it'll kill someone that used an action on D1/N1
If I don't use it, as soon as D2 ends it'll kill someone that used an action on N1/D2
So, people that did an action on N1 are a constant so that doesn't matter (also there's scum so I guess it's good)
So the difference comes in D1/D2
People that used a power on D1:
Kurumi (create invention)
BC (shoot sk8 guy)
sk8 (prevent shot)
??? mystery shooter (shot solstice)
Meapak (make me mason buddy with Acro)
People that used a power on D2:
BC (pulverized MZ)
So yeah, I don't want to kill BC alone so I'll shoot RIGHT BEFORE the deadline (so it still counts as D2). Also I have a chance to kill our mystery scum shooter from D1 because fuck him.
I wouldn't mind Kurumi dying all things constant I guess, and well sk8 dying is not the end of the world either (serves him right for the role he made me > : ( )
What you say?
DAMN. I did use my ability N1... Although it was nullified because WOS "died" soon after, but I'm 99% sure it still counts as an action. In my case it doesn't matter if you use it now or later though. I agree that using it now is better than later, so just use it asap.
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Yeah geript...I don't understand what that does
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On June 26 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote:
Also hey austin, how about you stop talking about setup shit and discuss whether kita's post/claim etc has any effect on your case on him or not, if you want to lynch him or not, etc?
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I want to vote you, but I'll have to wait for kita to arrive with his PTP claim and his "2nd half", and I'm gonna read Kurumi now (and maybe geript). Knowing that he didn't know he was a vet makes him look slightly better. Didn't understand him not revealing that.
But his response to pressure today doesn't ring true to me. He had the big posts during the night with the pictures, GIMME THE TARDIS GIMME GIMME. And apparently he got it.
But he didn't claim at that point, the point at which, according to him, he became a pure survivor (having satisfied the other bit of his win-con). He waits, because:On June 26 2013 02:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Wasn't going to claim until N2 to inform the mafia team not to night hit me, but then I got a bit too trolly so I figured I'd be better off claiming now. (1) kita is super worried about NKs, despite their being players who look far more townie / are doing more pro-town stuff with their activity. He's been around a long time, but so have other players this game, so it's not a case of him just getting popped for being veteran-y
(2) kita was going to wait and claim N2 because ... he didn't want to be NKed. He could have claimed immediately if that's his only concern. Again, according to him, once he got the TARDIS, all he does is try to survive. No reason to wait 48 hours before saying "Oh hey guys, I'm a survivor, mafia please don't kill me."
(3) I still actually really dislike the not vigging snb comments. They don't jive AT ALL with what I understand to be conventional wisdom held by respected players. They read as an attempt to cover snb, which doesn't fit with kita being a lone survivor. This is important. Kita has said he's a survivor, 3P, all he has to do is survive. He's got NO REASON to not want snb shot in that position.
Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players.
He's not a survivor. He didn't claim the moment he could have, for a bad reason. He expressed interest in things that a survivor wouldn't care about.
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On June 26 2013 05:36 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 05:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
something to keep in mind:
Acro wasn't super townie (at least not to me lel) and had a meh role, so he was probably shot for his reads, which were austin, snb and MZ.
Just puttin that one out there. Well, Acro was onto "Xatalos" before backing down, so if Xata is scum it'd make sense to off him (Damn it Xatalos GIVE ME THE GAMES, at least tell me the names of your previous games so I can search them myself goddamit ) He was pretty townie. Scum most likely pussied out of killing me so Acro is most likely the 2nd choice. Unless sk8 is scum and said "let's keep gonzaw alive because he has the shittiest role in existence and won't be able to do anything to us mwahahaha!"
You could browse through Crossfire99's games but not mine? I'm still typing from my phone and it's not that easy to edit links and such. My first game was Game of Thrones Mafia, then I played a couple of Newbie Mini games... But you should see that from my profile.
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Actually, let's assume this:
Scum acted on N1 almost guarantee-dly, I'd say all 3-4 of them (barring dead MZ here).
Did most scum act on D1? (i.e Kurumi/sk8/austin?)
If so, then adding those D1 guys to N1 maybe gives us a higher chance to kill scum
If not, then I should use D2 as a shot. Why? Because there will be a lesser pool of players (assuming sk8/Kurumi/etc didn't act on N1 either) to choose from, and since scum that acted on N1 is constant, that means a higher chance to kill scum (higher chance to kill BC too though)
But...I have no idea how the chances work. If a guy acts both on D1 and N1 is the chances of him dying doubled? Or not?
Is D1 and N1 chosen first like with 50/50 chance, THEN a guy that made an action in the chosen cycle dies?
Or are everybody that made an action in both D1/N1 put in a "bag" and chosen randomly from there?
Depending on how that works how I may choose to use the gun, so I'm asking deconduo.
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On June 26 2013 05:38 geript wrote:
meh I wanna do shit
##Mortal kombat Kita and shit bongo bongo.
This creates a random vote thing from 3 ppl. Whoever has more votes gets killed and stuff.
English good.
What did you do?
Gonzaw, I forget where the comment was exactly, I think BC wrote it, but kurumi very unlikely for ANY scum. I actually trust him more than you and maybe BC at this point to just be pure town.
Kurumi can either make others inventors, or can make other people into roles, and can do so silently. If kurumi makes inventors, he could (1) make a scumbuddy an inventor, because HOLY HELL WHO DOES NOT WANT AN INVENTOR ON THEIR TEAM; (2) make a non-scumbuddy an inventor, because OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT NOW YOU'VE TOLD A TOWNIE TO MAKE THE MOST OP THING THEY CAN AND YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT.
It doesn't even fit from a "Suboptimal use of ability in order to generate fun" standpoint, because HOLY HELL WHAT IS MORE FUN THAN COMING UP WITH A SCUM INVENTION IN YOUR QT.
If Kurumi makes people any role, then the same stuff applies. You wouldn't give a non-scumbuddy inventor, you could just give them something crappy.
Unless BC is ALSO scum with kurumi (unlikely), then kurumi almost certainly not scum.
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On June 26 2013 05:46 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 05:36 gonzaw wrote:On June 26 2013 05:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
something to keep in mind:
Acro wasn't super townie (at least not to me lel) and had a meh role, so he was probably shot for his reads, which were austin, snb and MZ.
Just puttin that one out there. Well, Acro was onto "Xatalos" before backing down, so if Xata is scum it'd make sense to off him (Damn it Xatalos GIVE ME THE GAMES, at least tell me the names of your previous games so I can search them myself goddamit ) He was pretty townie. Scum most likely pussied out of killing me so Acro is most likely the 2nd choice. Unless sk8 is scum and said "let's keep gonzaw alive because he has the shittiest role in existence and won't be able to do anything to us mwahahaha!" You could browse through Crossfire99's games but not mine? I'm still typing from my phone and it's not that easy to edit links and such. My first game was Game of Thrones Mafia, then I played a couple of Newbie Mini games... But you should see that from my profile.
???
Here's what happens when I go to your profile:
"No public profile for this user."
Also I'm looking at geript now and will look at Kurumi later.
After that and looking at you I'll just assume my work here is done because fuck I forgot how exhausting/boring this is >_>
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On June 26 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah geript...I don't understand what that does
It's supposed to create a side vote. Like 3 people at random are chosen to take part and they vote for one of us. Whoever gets more votes dies. Except that I'm like undying and shit. BTW Kita, I find it a bit funny that you will die to your own created power.
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kitaman27
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On June 26 2013 05:38 geript wrote:
meh I wanna do shit
##Mortal kombat Kita and shit bongo bongo.
This creates a random vote thing from 3 ppl. Whoever has more votes gets killed and stuff.
That's not the correct trigger phrase, but are you seriously using your day-vig on the claimed survivor? Not only is that suboptimal play, its just cruel to me, making it essentially the only way I can't win the game now that I have the TARDIS.
On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:
(1) kita is super worried about NKs, despite their being players who look far more townie / are doing more pro-town stuff with their activity. He's been around a long time, but so have other players this game, so it's not a case of him just getting popped for being veteran-y
Oh really? I shouldn't have to worry about night kills even if I'm only half active? That's exactly when the mafia team goes after you when there are no medics.
On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:
(2) kita was going to wait and claim N2 because ... he didn't want to be NKed. He could have claimed immediately if that's his only concern. Again, according to him, once he got the TARDIS, all he does is try to survive. No reason to wait 48 hours before saying "Oh hey guys, I'm a survivor, mafia please don't kill me."
lol I was breadcrumbing survivor all day.
"victory is at hand" --> in reference to receiving the tardis
"Victory only applies to town, or does it, I'll have to get back to you?" --> in reference to being able to win with both factions
It's not like I can ask for the TARDIS with my super plan and hope the thread forgets about it for 5 cycles. I was obviously planning to claim.
On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:
(3) I still actually really dislike the not vigging snb comments. They don't jive AT ALL with what I understand to be conventional wisdom held by respected players.
Show me a respected player that disagrees with my assessment that scummy players should be vig shot. Cmon now, you're just terrible.
On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:
Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players.
Just because I'm 3P doesn't mean that I'm completely useless. I'm not Palmar after all. I still share town's best interest at heart.
On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:
He's not a survivor. He didn't claim the moment he could have, for a bad reason. He expressed interest in things that a survivor wouldn't care about.
So I breadcrumbed survivor in my first post, came up with an elaborate story about needing the TARDIS to obtain the 1 night medic protection, and then claimed for giggles? BC made it completely clear that he thought I was siding with thread sentiment on day one. That completely matches the actions of a survivor. You on the other hand are scum.
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I told you you should have given me the tardis instead of the guy that wanted it.
#justsayin
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2013 05:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote:
Also hey austin, how about you stop talking about setup shit and discuss whether kita's post/claim etc has any effect on your case on him or not, if you want to lynch him or not, etc?
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I want to vote you, but I'll have to wait for kita to arrive with his PTP claim and his "2nd half", and I'm gonna read Kurumi now (and maybe geript). Knowing that he didn't know he was a vet makes him look slightly better. Didn't understand him not revealing that. But his response to pressure today doesn't ring true to me. He had the big posts during the night with the pictures, GIMME THE TARDIS GIMME GIMME. And apparently he got it. But he didn't claim at that point, the point at which, according to him, he became a pure survivor (having satisfied the other bit of his win-con). He waits, because: Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:47 kitaman27 wrote:
Wasn't going to claim until N2 to inform the mafia team not to night hit me, but then I got a bit too trolly so I figured I'd be better off claiming now. (1) kita is super worried about NKs, despite their being players who look far more townie / are doing more pro-town stuff with their activity. He's been around a long time, but so have other players this game, so it's not a case of him just getting popped for being veteran-y (2) kita was going to wait and claim N2 because ... he didn't want to be NKed. He could have claimed immediately if that's his only concern. Again, according to him, once he got the TARDIS, all he does is try to survive. No reason to wait 48 hours before saying "Oh hey guys, I'm a survivor, mafia please don't kill me." (3) I still actually really dislike the not vigging snb comments. They don't jive AT ALL with what I understand to be conventional wisdom held by respected players. They read as an attempt to cover snb, which doesn't fit with kita being a lone survivor. This is important. Kita has said he's a survivor, 3P, all he has to do is survive. He's got NO REASON to not want snb shot in that position. Hey hey, again, important. Kita as 3P survivor has no reason to care whether or not snb gets shot. No matter who is vigged, kita is 1 person closer to fulfilling his wincon. But he picks a fight over that, like, seriously responds to your comments. His response there is no a 3P survivor response. It's the response of someone concerned with what happens to other players. He's not a survivor. He didn't claim the moment he could have, for a bad reason. He expressed interest in things that a survivor wouldn't care about.
Hmm, I'll have to think about some of that stuff.
The vig stuff seems just stupid complaining to me. If he was scum with snb then why would he be so easily "exposed" by going against a random comment from mine? (I never said I had the gun to shoot snb, and well it was obvious I didn't and don't).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2013 05:50 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 05:38 geript wrote:
meh I wanna do shit
##Mortal kombat Kita and shit bongo bongo.
This creates a random vote thing from 3 ppl. Whoever has more votes gets killed and stuff. English good. What did you do?
Gonzaw, I forget where the comment was exactly, I think BC wrote it, but kurumi very unlikely for ANY scum. I actually trust him more than you and maybe BC at this point to just be pure town. Kurumi can either make others inventors, or can make other people into roles, and can do so silently. If kurumi makes inventors, he could (1) make a scumbuddy an inventor, because HOLY HELL WHO DOES NOT WANT AN INVENTOR ON THEIR TEAM; (2) make a non-scumbuddy an inventor, because OH MY GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT NOW YOU'VE TOLD A TOWNIE TO MAKE THE MOST OP THING THEY CAN AND YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT. It doesn't even fit from a "Suboptimal use of ability in order to generate fun" standpoint, because HOLY HELL WHAT IS MORE FUN THAN COMING UP WITH A SCUM INVENTION IN YOUR QT. If Kurumi makes people any role, then the same stuff applies. You wouldn't give a non-scumbuddy inventor, you could just give them something crappy. Unless BC is ALSO scum with kurumi (unlikely), then kurumi almost certainly not scum.
You mean Kurumi would make his buddies as inventors, but then when his townie creator asks him "who did you make inventor" he says "huh....ehmm..." and outs himself as scum?
I don't see Kurumi giving BC the inventor role as "SUPER OBVIOUS TOWN" because scum not wanting to be outed could have done so as well.
Granted, it makes sense with his play I guess (he's against sk8 as well as BC, so I guess he thinks BC is town maybe he said this Idunno, so he gives inventor to his town read)
But BC made a super shitty invention so hey, maybe scum Kurumi knew town BC would make an anti-town invention so he gave him the invention? 
Kurumi, here's a hint: Give me the inventor the next time 
Also, you are still acting weird austin.
I kind of want to know what BC has to say about all this shit.
Hey kita, character and role claim plz
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On June 26 2013 05:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah geript...I don't understand what that does It's supposed to create a side vote. Like 3 people at random are chosen to take part and they vote for one of us. Whoever gets more votes dies. Except that I'm like undying and shit. BTW Kita, I find it a bit funny that you will die to your own created power.
So it's doublelynch with the 3 guys that have to vote?
Hmm, this will be interesting.
Hey, how about this: Those 3 guys use that "added lynch" on snb (basically a vig shot), and we continue with this lynch as usual?
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## Challenge Kitaman27 to Mortal Combat.
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Hmm austin, one thing that kind of bothers me is how convinced you are his claim is bogus and he's scum
Town-austin would be coming out with conspiracy theories about every possibility, and determine if he's lying or not, ask him questions, then post a huge post with a theory, etc.
You just seem to instantly figure out kita is fake-claiming as scum and manage to come up with all that shit?
Seems a little bit like confirmation bias, you said "okay, kita is scum let's see what I can write about him if I assume he's scum and fake-claiming".
Like, I thought the Tardis thing was weird, but:
1)If he's scum, would he do some stuff like that? Get the Tardis but keep it and not claiming shit? Or did he plan on fake-claiming survivor as scum all along? If so, wouldn't that hurt his scumteam? Instead of trying to blend in he just fake-claims 3P and hopes town doesn't kill him?
For that Tardis thing to make sense scum kita should have planned fake-claiming 3P since BEFORE N1 ENDED, not just make it a half-assed claim after getting lots of votes (if that was the case, wtf was the Tardis thing about?)
3)If he's scum, then the Tardis thing would be something related to the PTP role he got right? So wouldn't his role creator just claim "hey, Tardis is super powerful and kita didn't claim he had it and bla bla bla"?
4)What about the breadcrumb? I don't remember scum fake-claiming 3P survivor and BREADCRUMBING it on their first post (like, did even iGrok do that shit with the original Balrog claim?
After his claim I started thinking about all this shit to see if his claim is legit or not...why didn't you austin?
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