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On June 23 2013 05:36 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment? I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd. If you are scum you can get away with a free kill on someone and just say it was because he was trolling. If I flipped town, you claim I was trolling anti-town and have helped the town. Also you can go ahead and stop pushing that you have day vig abilities. It's been over an hour.
so? Hosts have lives too. Ive as a host shown up 12 hours after someone used their ability due to my schedule. Decon could be working, sleeping, etc.. as could sentinel.
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On June 23 2013 05:41 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:02 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Hey Dandel.
Why would BC troll now when he's essentially basing everything he's done on the fact that Skater is trolling? Well, because he's scum and not good enough as scum to fake contributions properly. Basically. Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely? Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have. "hurr durr it's hidden information so I have to be town and you have to be scum because I'm acting clueless as if i never played mafia before" Actually no you don't even have the balls to call anybody scum, you just attack "anti-town" things. Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich is what scum do. Attacking anti-town instead of scum. huhuhuhuhuhuhuh Also you lied, I never said it was EXACTLY 75/25 you quoted the numbers and said it was simple math. You then called me a troll for asking how you got said numbers as if I must be crazy to not have them. Given how sure of yourself you were its an absolute. If you didn't phrase it the way you did or respond to my question the way you did then I would say you are right it wasn't an absolute. However your behaviour indicates otherwise. If it was absolute I would have said it was absolute. You're the one blatantly putting words I never said in my mouth. (which is called lying btw.) On June 23 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why?
The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_-
If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works. clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC? How does it make him town? Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play. See that's what I'm saying. You can't even explain why he would be scum. You're shooting him for being "anti-town" which like THE most easy and convenient excuse for scum because you don't need to explain a false scumread, which also means you won't be wrong, so you can pretend to be smart while blatantly shooting townies. as much as I hate using it as an example go look at LXI. I as town, actively pushed people who were actively anti town. Why? Because I thought they were scum for it. I recognize day 1 skater could easily be a douchebag trolly town. However I am sick of dealing with players like that in games and finally have a gun to at least remove one cancer from the game. why are you trying to play like in LXI? (need i remind you of the outcome?) You could be trying to improve instead of repeating the same old mistakes, and you not doing so has a clear motivation as mafia since it's ez town meta to mold yourself into As town, the explanation is basically that you are unwilling to learn from your mistakes. Do you want me to think that of you? Cuz it seems like you do.
unwilling to learn? I am actively fixing the solution before it can cause serious problems for the town. That shows learning to me. I am not saying LXI is my best game ever as its obviously not. I fucked up there. However I have currently done something I view will stop that potential situation from happening again. It was also a rash decision out of insane annoyance but one I would do with a clear head as well.
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On June 23 2013 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
BC prove how LXI is an example?
I don't remember you pushing Kush until he was one of the very few in the game left.
I am well aware you rail against shitposting but as I've already said I don't personally take your meta as good evidence here because you are obviously aware of it. Maybe you will be able to convince me if there's something I'm missing.
Yamato, Palmar, Kush. Yamato shitposting I can see someone making an argument for, but Palmar? Yeah he played like ass that game and we lost 'cause we got fucked at LYLO but is he KNOWN for that kind of play? Isn't Palmar widely regarded as a good player? You're right in that we should have offed Palmar way earlier in the game just to remove all reasonable doubt, and if this is your thought process rather than the fact that he was shitposting I might be able to see your POV, but this doesn't seem to be your train of thought towards Skater. Like...it's so fucking EARLY in the game.
I have killed palmar for that behaviour before and pushed for his death for that behaviour before. Palmar and I butt heads often based on our respective play styles. Also people can widely regard many people as good players. I know I am regarded as one to some and not as one to others. When analyzing a player don't take reputation into the equation, just how they are performing that game.
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On June 23 2013 05:47 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:17 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Then does his recent explanation of 'when it doesn't explicitly say' occur to you as being likely?
Also fuck all these role teases and shit I wish it didn't help scum to know what these roles actually did so I could ask IM SO CURIOUSSSS
So the fact that apparently Skater TRIED to get shot at night means there's some sort of reflect/protection/immunity involved? And the fact that Geript knows about it means he is the guy who wrote it. Given he was included in the lovetapping this probably makes sense. No not at all. He's crying that if there's an SK it's not EXACTLY 75%, so even if it's still 70%, clearly it's still totally bad for town amirite? It's stupid and irrelevant sematics and a terrible excuse to cling to his "opinion" Semantics? You used clear math as an absolute. Go fuck yourself. If the hosts haven't revealed a number you can easily say "it is likely 75% / 25%" Or some nonsense but using an absolute with hidden information implies knowledge town don't have. "hurr durr it's hidden information so I have to be town and you have to be scum because I'm acting clueless as if i never played mafia before" Actually no you don't even have the balls to call anybody scum, you just attack "anti-town" things. Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiich is what scum do. Attacking anti-town instead of scum. huhuhuhuhuhuhuh Also you lied, I never said it was EXACTLY 75/25 you quoted the numbers and said it was simple math. You then called me a troll for asking how you got said numbers as if I must be crazy to not have them. Given how sure of yourself you were its an absolute. If you didn't phrase it the way you did or respond to my question the way you did then I would say you are right it wasn't an absolute. However your behaviour indicates otherwise. If it was absolute I would have said it was absolute. You're the one blatantly putting words I never said in my mouth. (which is called lying btw.) On June 23 2013 05:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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I don't think you understand how this game works.
clearly the game works like this: do nothing tunnel a townie for no reason shoot a townie with the same reasoning you tunneled the townie for genius. For no reason? So you view someone posting shit with 0 reasoning behind it then making up bullshit reasons for said previous shit, then saying "luls jk guys none of it was legit" is no reason? Jesus christ. I don't see how it makes him scum. How does it make him scum BC? How does it make him town? Why do you want someone who is town playing like this? Please, enlighten me as to how what he did should be acceptable town play. See that's what I'm saying. You can't even explain why he would be scum. You're shooting him for being "anti-town" which like THE most easy and convenient excuse for scum because you don't need to explain a false scumread, which also means you won't be wrong, so you can pretend to be smart while blatantly shooting townies. as much as I hate using it as an example go look at LXI. I as town, actively pushed people who were actively anti town. Why? Because I thought they were scum for it. I recognize day 1 skater could easily be a douchebag trolly town. However I am sick of dealing with players like that in games and finally have a gun to at least remove one cancer from the game. why are you trying to play like in LXI? (need i remind you of the outcome?) You could be trying to improve instead of repeating the same old mistakes, and you not doing so has a clear motivation as mafia since it's ez town meta to mold yourself into As town, the explanation is basically that you are unwilling to learn from your mistakes. Do you want me to think that of you? Cuz it seems like you do. unwilling to learn? I am actively fixing the solution before it can cause serious problems for the town. That shows learning to me. I am not saying LXI is my best game ever as its obviously not. I fucked up there. However I have currently done something I view will stop that potential situation from happening again. It was also a rash decision out of insane annoyance but one I would do with a clear head as well. Yes, you are still trying to kill town over mafia. To win as town, you should kill mafia. not town. Y'know. Cuz, cuz, if you kill all mafia right away, you never get anywhere near lylo. y'know. So that's actually how you would win games. Instead you're getting us closer to lylo.
To win as town you Should kill mafia you are right. However if a town member is playing so atrociously they appear mafia or are actively pushing mafia goals you off them too. Otherwise you know, Mafia could just troll every game and because they might be town and would be virtually impossible to determine they were scum you would leave them alive.
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On June 23 2013 09:16 geript wrote:
@Sk8ter. You missed my key question. How is it that pre-shot you have BC as 100% scum (of 130%) but aren't trying to use the shot to help divine BC's alignment? Your post shot conclusion is not a bigger better push on BC but that Dandel is town. Explain.
I have been gone for a bit partially to cool off, but also because i was asked to be a buddies groomsmen for his wedding and we were out for dinner, but this is kinda in the forethought of my mind.
I am not intending on harping on this a terrible amount but suffice to say this.
My shot was roleblocked / blocked in a manner that refunded my bullet. Given that veteran roles / bulletproofs don't refund shots just take lives off, the only solution is a roleblock of some sort. I find it odd that skater was claiming I faked a shot and calling me a liar based on the fact he didnt flip / he got no mod feedback about my shot not going through (he would not if i was blocked).
I can also confirm that I was targeted by at least 2 roles of the batch that sentinel was working through although I think It was actually 3.
I will be going through the thread briefly again with a clear head to see if anything stands out now.
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As for rough thoughts before I go to bed.
Meapak has done dick all which not uncharacteristic of him is something that has him on a radar. If he doesn't appear for anything aside from being modkilled/warned for inactivity I will have him down as scum until otherwise proven.
Sk8 is firmly a red read. You all can call me insane or crazy or bad, etc.. as much as you want. He has actively said
"The second part -
Killing anti town is not the same as killing scum. I will disagree with you there. Even if he believed I was anti town, acting on it day one is a poor move. I did post the new reads on BC after I believed it was fake, you are quoting only my most recent post."
A town only knows for sure someone is mafia given a flip, or red check with no dt fucking roles in the game with sane dt only mechanics. So me wanting to off an anti town is me aiming for scum and if it flips town it sucks but ends up not fucking town horribly. By actively saying "if he believed I was anti town acting on it day 1 is a poor move" that is saying trying to get scum killed day 1 is bad. He is also admitting to be anti town, ie NOT TOWN.
Dandel is really fucking weird after this events. I fully understand why he went ape shit on me. I do and find that perfectly normal. However
On June 23 2013 09:19 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 09:16 geript wrote:
@Sk8ter. You missed my key question. How is it that pre-shot you have BC as 100% scum (of 130%) but aren't trying to use the shot to help divine BC's alignment? Your post shot conclusion is not a bigger better push on BC but that Dandel is town. Explain. Look at this guy It's like he really wants people to read BC as scum (without calling him so himself) and like he really doesn't want people to see how supertown I am (without calling me scum himself) It's like he's scum.
This is wtf. Geript asked a question that actually makes a ton of sense. Rather than try and label me as scum, or scumhunt, sk8 comes out with dandel is town. Not only that, Dandel takes massive offense to this. The seeming need to be viewed as "super town" is weird. Day 1 no one should be viewed as super town nor be pissed if someone doesn't see them that way.
For the good.
Currently Gonza, and geript look really good. May have differing opinions but both seem to be performing as a town player should.
Kita should be heavily watched carefully until he starts to perform.
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Keep in mind sk8 wanted to get shot at night. Stress at night. He said that in thread that he was setting up a night shot on him not day.
He was surprised by the fact I tried to shoot him during the day and not night. This leads me to believe he was attempting to draw (based on his play purely) vig shots for whatever reason. He admitted to playing like a troll and anti town.
Given Acros analysis as well and sk8 being my strongest read I am voting there. I will be back later tonight to talk more but I must run off to see the venue for my buddies wedding.
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catching up on this clusterfuck of a thread.
Also, why did sk8 not get lynched? Guy actively was saying shit about how I must have faked a shot when HE ACTIVATED A POWER to save his ass.
The guy has lied enough times now that he should be dead. Anyone saying "well xfire confirmed his role can do that shit" doesn't make sk8 town. Roles do not equal fucking alignment. I do not know how many times I have to say this in every bloody ptp / pyp games.
I will be continuing to catch up on the thread now.
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On June 24 2013 10:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 10:15 austinmcc wrote:On June 24 2013 10:13 gonzaw wrote:If I was scum I'd like to know who got my role to NOT shoot him at night and let him live until end-game or something  (unless there's a party-pooper marv in my scumteam >_> ), so if a scum made your role...congrats you are going to live for a long time First you let your buddies shoot me in the game. Now you try to lynch me in THIS game, where I get my own friggin' role. Marv isn't here this time either. So...it's you or kita. You guys are the PTP fun police. Really. Are we going to believe him now too? Remember people, 6% chance. So we're talking MASSIVE chances that BC is lying about him having gotten his own role, and now austin too. I guess I shoud actually start reading austin.
Why? Likely decon had us make roles then random # generates roles to people. Sures theres a shitty chance of getting it, it also means that the game is balanced to prevent a mass claim strat.
How about instead of FoS someone because they got a role they made, you FoS for behaviour.
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Why are people suspicious of Austin? He is actively saying who he is targetting with his role in thread. Mafia has no reason to do this whatsoever. -_-
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On June 24 2013 19:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 19:20 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 24 2013 14:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Why are people suspicious of Austin? He is actively saying who he is targetting with his role in thread. Mafia has no reason to do this whatsoever. -_- On June 24 2013 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not equal fucking alignment. I do not know how many times I have to say this in every bloody ptp / pyp games. LOL hahahaha... Good point.. Maybe I should reconsider my townread on BC after all. This heavy bias and inconsistent attitudes towards players sadly doesn't radiate townishness  Being AFK for the pre-lynch hour(s) doesn't make me feel any better either. BC town -> null.
Different line of thinking completely. -_-
what role someone has does not equal alignment.
It is also not in a scums best interests to publically claim they are performing a role on a player. Why? Because it opens them up to watchers, trackers, etc....
Being insanely free with information and publically announcing you are doing something is a good alignment indicator.
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On June 25 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 24 2013 19:54 Xatalos wrote:On June 24 2013 19:20 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 24 2013 14:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Why are people suspicious of Austin? He is actively saying who he is targetting with his role in thread. Mafia has no reason to do this whatsoever. -_- On June 24 2013 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not equal fucking alignment. I do not know how many times I have to say this in every bloody ptp / pyp games. LOL hahahaha... Good point.. Maybe I should reconsider my townread on BC after all. This heavy bias and inconsistent attitudes towards players sadly doesn't radiate townishness Being AFK for the pre-lynch hour(s) doesn't make me feel any better either. BC town -> null. Different line of thinking completely. -_- what role someone has does not equal alignment. It is also not in a scums best interests to publically claim they are performing a role on a player. Why? Because it opens them up to watchers, trackers, etc.... Being insanely free with information and publically announcing you are doing something is a good alignment indicator. if they actually use those actions, they don't give a shit about watchers etc. Soooo...
Eh? Why? He publically claimed an action. IF dt roles check him they can quickly figure out if hes bullshitting.
Rolecops would find out if he can do even what hes suggesting, trackers would know if he wandered around to the right spot, watchers would know if he even left, etc... It also actively puts peoples eyes on him. Why? Because if I end up dead he will be one of the first people everyone goes after for my dead because he openly stated he was using a role on me.
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Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more.
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On June 25 2013 02:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
So do you have opinions on people not-sk8er yet or do we have to wait a couple more days for those?
I have to filter the entire list that voted for austin last minute. Why? Because the entire wagon is scummy as hell in its conception.
You are high on my list of potential scum for being disruptive and trolly. You do have some moments of "im glad he said that" sort of bit but you have a ton of stuff I don't like.
However nothing really has changed with any of these reads
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415738¤tpage=29#571
I also need to re-read carefully all the stuff surrounding s0lstice. As that entire situation was clearly what the fuck as well.
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On June 25 2013 02:49 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, I don't see any reason for scum Dandel Ion to post his latest posts. Maybe this is his master plan to gain towncred but I'm willing to believe in Occam's razor and assume he's town for now.
his he can be very persuasive post? How is that a "i am town" post?
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On June 25 2013 02:54 Dandel Ion wrote:
So explain your townread on geript.
Because he has not done anything I see as anything other than town? The worst bit he has done is his vote while he said he was "gone"
However who cares? He voted for someone who was virtually more likely to flip mafia (in my eyes) than a last minute rushed wagon.
hes pressured people for reasons that I would, etc..
In short he has done nothing major to make me see him in any light other than town. Could I be wrong? yes, however unless someone knows geripts playstyle 100% they will have to explain how hes magically scum when hes done far more this game to help than he has whenever ive seen him as scum.
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On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain
So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle?
You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia.
your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things.
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On June 25 2013 03:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Hmm. I hope this doesn't turn into the same page-burying quarrel as yesterday, but I'm still a bit confused about the whole thing. So... You shoot sk8r, he uses some kind of power to defend, you get the bullet back. Sk8r claims it was a fake shot (wth?), but soon admits he nullified it. It really is a confusing situation, but I don't see why would sk8r lie(?) about that as either alignment. It just doesn't make sense. Even less so if he's scum, since it would come back to bite him sooner or later. And what would he even gain really. I don't get why sk8r would lie about something like that. Even less I understand why he would accuse you without basis..? Well, it's pretty clear now that he *has* that defensive role, but certainly, it doesn't mean he's town yet. On the other hand, Crossfire99 "putting his faith" on sk8r and generally sk8r being very vocal and open speak for him being town.
How does xfire saying "i made the role and know why sk8r lived" make sk8r town? All it means is we know sk8r didn't lie about having a self defense role. Or xfire and him are mafia buddies. Xfire is someone who is lurking and actively doing nothing to help win this game.
Vocal does not mean you are town. Mafia can fake being vocal just as easily as town does it.
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