PTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 2

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 23 2013 21:12 GMT

#999

Ok wtf, I leave 10 mins before the lynch and then we all go austin?

Why the fuck didn't we kill zephrid?

Gonzaw I'm getting suspicious of you, your push for austin seems very half assed an apologetic as if preparing for him flipping town. Not only that, you completly ignored zephrid who you had already called out. I really liked your play until like the last two hours of the day.

Bro that looks really bad.

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 23 2013 21:13 GMT

#1000

sorry sentinal, I'm on my phone and missed the blue text

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 23 2013 21:51 GMT

#1038

On June 24 2013 06:26 gonzaw wrote:

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Why do you keep tunneling sk8 kurumi (specially with stuff like that you just posted)?

Meapak why do you "tunneled" zepphird then come back after the "lynch" to complain?

I find your explanation for your actions lackluster at best, I know you're better than doing something because its convenient.

I wouldn't say I am tunneling zephrid, I think he was much more likely to be scum than solstice (and whoop dee do, solstice was town). WoS remains my primary target and after the way kurumi has acted I'd be down with lynching him as well.

As for my "complaining" I'm really just irritated with you. Stupidity from dandel, kurumi, et all is to be expected but I was reallylooking for more from you.

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 23 2013 21:57 GMT

#1044

Oh and to all the idiots talking about my "disapearence", I am on my phone, I was watching indycar and assumed that, with ten minutes left nothing was gonna happen and decided to come back after the day post.

Also sk8 makes a good point about mafia motivation behind killing solstice, what did they gain by doing so.

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 23 2013 22:01 GMT

#1045

On June 24 2013 06:54 Kurumi wrote:

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What if he can roleblock everyone that lovetaps him?
We had this role for Torte de Lini where he would roleblock everyone who would quote him.

Kurumi you're sounding paranoid, got something to hide? Also I wrote the roleblock role for tdl lol...

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 23 2013 22:02 GMT

#1047

Triple kill!

I'm going out, thought everyone should know since this thread seems to care an aweful lot about who is doing what.

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 24 2013 18:43 GMT

#1185

So let’s kill WoS tomorrow. I’ve mentioned him several times and finally got around to making a case.

On June 22 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright what in the actual FUCK is going on in here.
Let's see:
Dandel amuses me. The fact that I don't have to be on a scum team with him this game makes it even better since I don't have to freak out at everything he does.
Having never participated in a game like this before I have to ask: are we supposed to be tryharding at all or fucking around all game? There appear to be people firmly entrenched in both camps and I can't honestly say which I want to be a part of yet.

Geript: No love for you. DRIVE THAT TRAIN STRAIGHT INTO MY TUNNEL BABY

I don't know anybody else who posted so I don't have anything else to say.

Actually I do know solstice and BC but I don't care about them.

So, who got my role?

WoS starts out with a very weird post complaining about the “fucking around” going on. The game has only been going on for a few pages and he’s already divided people into camps of “tryharding” and “fucking around” ultimately however, this post does nothing. It’s pure fluff with the intention of looking all townie and concerned.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: He mentions player names and yet makes no reads. He exploits the state of the thread to appear townie.

On June 22 2013 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
I WISH I could stream, sadly small children and lack of internet do not allow for such frivolities, at least not until late August or something.

I'ma go play a bot game for my win of the day. Dandel you should play with me. Why don't I have you on my flist? Is it 'cause you're SCUM???

On June 22 2013 11:16 WaveofShadow wrote:

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A big wat to this post.
Acro, y u good host but bad mafia player?

Let’s take these next two posts at the same time, unfounded accusations against two players for no reason. Now WoS will probably say he was just fucking around with the first post, however remember this is something he already ranted about and is thus inconsistent with his earlier “anger” at the state of the thread. A townie would have kept consistent, however scum would see no reason to actually improve thread atmosphere. Now the second post is even worse in my mind, he goes after acro despite having said he had “joined the tryhard camp” hereSo despite “tryharding” the best he can do is still an unfounded accusation.

TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: Despite his earlier concern for the thread, WoS contributes nothing of value and instead flings around accusations. His second accusation was made even after he talked about tryharding.

On June 22 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
/tryhard pants

##Vote: Acrofales
kita.
kita.
He scum.
Vote fer him.

It would have been fine if WoS had done this after substantiating his Acro concerns but he doesn’t. Instead he votes him after no more analysis other than this. He also buddies up to kita.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS does nothing to advance his case.

On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post?

Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me.
In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest.

I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff.

Wtf is this post right here? He plays the noob card an acts apologetic in the same post. Like I can’t get over how bad his excuse is for his play thus far, he’s worth killing imo based on this alone. The he brings up acro, but his reasons are horrible. He mentions that he’s “not sure about him” seemingly because acro hasn’t discussed him? I’m sitting here writing this and I still can’t get over how horrible this reasoning is. Not only is it horrible, it’s incredibly forced. WoS clearly needed a reason to justify his suspicions of acro and this was the best he could do.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS plays the noob card and apologizes for his earlier actions then proceeds to force a suspicion of acro.

On June 23 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

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I don't think it's self-explanatory at all.
Acro, I am neither a fail scum or an inept townie. It's not going to be that easy for you, my man.

As far as scumreads go, don't have any yet, aside from you. If you're so keen to drive conversation along towards other reads all of a sudden, do you have any others?

This is literally his next post, he offers a defense against himself and then says his only scumread is sk8. Literally his only previous mention of sk8 is, and I quote, “fucking skaterman.” And yet someone sk8 is his number one scumread. He has conveniently forgotten about acro.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: As pressure is starting to build on sk8 in the thread, WoS suddenly adopts sk8 as his number one read and drops acro.

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On June 23 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

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On June 23 2013 02:15 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:

On June 23 2013 02:11 Acrofales wrote:

On June 23 2013 02:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:

On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:

On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP.

Thank you, good night.

Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum.

I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities.

Meta-scum >

First part -
My suspicions currently based on posting and defending. I don't know about the Meta, perhaps these players are known for defending other towns. Note I have not changed my vote.

Second part -
Self explanatory. Whoever wrote my role now knows that they wrote it. If I die, it's because of this and that they flipped mafia.

I still have no clue what you're on about with the second part. Presumably the lovetaps are part of your role, and not just random crap you made up to have something to talk about on D1. That's fine. However, I fail to see how this gives you any indication of what alignment the maker of your role was.

It doesn't yet. I was letting town know this so if something happens to me then we know the writer of MY card is scum. Ideally thats the only reason why you would force your target to reveal to do their ability is so that the writer are aware of it and can respond according to their alignment.

How were you forced to reveal your ability exactly? I really don't follow your train of thought.

On June 23 2013 03:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Explain.
Never played with Kurumi as far as I can remember.

On June 23 2013 03:25 WaveofShadow wrote:

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This question is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. Why would you ask such a question Kurumi?

On June 23 2013 04:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
kk.
I feel like we're missing/haven't heard from half the thread in a while. So much lurk = so much boring.
##Unvote
I want to talk with more people I actually know somewhat.
Kita, geript, DI?
Where yall at?

Filler questions which serve no purpose other than make WoS look active

TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: see above, it’s the same

On June 23 2013 04:04 WaveofShadow wrote:

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I dunno, the paranoia he's exhibited towards his role and his constant discussing it, along with the usage of it in the first place makes it seem as though he knows people have been watching him all game thus far. Whether he's worried about being under pressure from you remains to be seen.

The lack of proper play is concerning but I am not convinced yet.

Look at the wording of this post, it’s incredibly wishy washy and weak. Now if WoS was discussing someone who he had a null read on I’d understand, but remember this is sk8 who is supposedly WoS’s number one read. If you read this post a couple times you’ll notice it literally doesn’t say anything. In fact, he directly contradicts himself from earlier, he went from having sk8 as his number one scum suspect to being “not convinced yet”

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS completely backtracks on his earlier scum read on sk8 in perhaps the weakest way possible.

On June 23 2013 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Solstice I do, I do <3 you.
The vote on Acro wasn't for shits and giggles, but the manner in which he has posted has somewhat appeased me a little lately. I think kita summed it up nicely in that Acro will remain on my radar but I could look elsewhere for now.

This is just lulzy, he now admits that his acro vote was trolling but remember he made that vote after he said he was tryharding and he even tried to justify his reasons.
TAKE AWAY FOR THIS POST: WoS fucks up.

Now I’d like to take a break from WoS for a second and bring attention back to my post about reactions to BC’s shot My post here is required reading. Notice my point about WoS. I will admit that it is perhaps not the strongest point in a vacuum, however when you look at it with the rest of my analysis it, it suddenly becomes very strong. Read my post again and remember that sk8 was WoS’s number one scum read. His. Number. One. Scum. Read. He doesn’t have any others. He is preparing for a possible green flip and wants to make himself look as good as possible. I know that if someone vigi’d WoS right now I’d be stoked we didn’t have to waste a lynch on him. Most people would probably be happy to see that their number one scum read had been shot. Nope, WoS takes a defensive stance.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: If you’ve only been reading the take aways, please actually read all of my analysis on this one, it’s too important.

On June 23 2013 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote:

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How could you possibly know to put them in the same boat as Grush/Kush?
Isn't this his first game here?

This honestly looks like a masking attempt kita, don;t you see it?
Like, I get the frustration and I'm all on board to start policy lynching/vigging people like Kush/Vayne/whoever in other games, but I don't see what Skater was doing as actively hurting town, and it's WAY too early in the game to determine that he'd be one of those left alive at LYLO.

Buddy buddy buddy with kita. Also calls out BC for fake frustration, oh the irony… Also he continues to argue against the shot. Let’s review quickly, WoS thought sk8 was scummy, BC thought sk8 was scummy, BC shot sk8, WoS attacked BC’s shot…

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS continues to show zero consistency and instead seems content to go with the thread.
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On June 23 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Yeah I don't buy it.
I've seen BC lose his temper. BC knows that people have seen him lose his temper.
Can you link me something from Personality 2 (apparently an infamous game that nobody likes to talk about) that indicates why you think this more likely town BC?

So wait, is BC now scum WoS? This is something scum love to do and that’s discredit people without directly calling them scum. WoS has been doing it to BC for several posts now. What he’s implying here is that “BC is scum using fake rage to hide his actions.” Of course it would be an aggressive stance to take so WoS is trying to hide behind cautious words.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS discredits BC, but rather than take a firm stand he continues with his wishy washy behavior.

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On June 23 2013 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Because I didn't think he was being fucktarded enough to mess with the thread. I don't see any evidence that 'letting him be fucktarded' remains in scum interests in any way since at least to me Skater was well on his way to proving his towniness to me. I've said so and argued for it.

Suddenly sk8 was “well on his way to proving his towniness.” L o fucking l. WoS goes with the thread, he was on sk8 when the thread was, now that BC is under the gun he’s going after BC. Convenient. He also gets in a few more bashes at BC.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to base his reads on how popular they’ll be in the thread.

Next we have a two post tango. We go from this:

On June 23 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote:

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On June 23 2013 05:43 s0Lstice wrote:

On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:

On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:

On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,

you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?

If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.'

Remember Les Mafia?
That's how.

The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely.

I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is.

You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed.

The issue is that if you can convincingly do something as either alignment, then that particular thing is not part of your town or scum meta. You saying you were aware of what people attributed to town you, and thus could include them in your scum play, makes those elements not part of your meta at all, despite people thinking they did. This is why meta arguments fail so often...because elements of peoples play that should go in to a meta case are things that are not reliably controllable/stem from the subconscious.

Also, being aware of ones meta as scum (or more specifically, things that other people typically assign to scum or town you, whether correct or not) follows the same rules as all other scum play. You are putting on a show by falsely playing to your town 'meta,' and can fall in to the same traps that scum fall into when they are making fake cases/fake contributions etc.

To be clear, I really don't care how this discussion you and I are having applies to BC. I asked to get a clearer view of your alignment WoS.

Stepping out for a bit now.

I disagree with this somewhat but I'll accept it.
What interests me is this being solely an effort to divine my alignment. Did you come to any conclusions?
I also don't recall you asking these sorts of things in Les Mafia.

To this:

On June 24 2013 02:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Solstice is scum.
I'm sure of it.
##Vote: s0Lstice

I probably won't be around until later but guys trust me on this.
WAGON OF JUSTICEEEEEEE

What I’ve quoted for you are WoS’s first interaction with solstice and then his next interaction. I think I’m starting to sound like a broken record here but WoS changes his scumreads based on the thread. Like really, let’s review, he had no scum reads other than sk8, sk8 got shot at and he started going after BC, then the thread turned on solstice (who was fucking town), and WoS is all over him. WoS really doesn’t care who dies, he just doesn’t want to stand out,
TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: WoS fucks up again

On June 24 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Is there enough time to not make today a no-lynch?
I'll switch if so. I fucking hate no lynch.
I want BLOOD

Yuuuup, let’s kill someone to get those town numbers down amirite WoS?

On June 24 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

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He never WAS scum.
Do you honestly think that he's a bad a scum player as he's been?
It's honestly stupid that we have people here who have played more than one game on TL and they honestly believe that sk8 could be scum atm.
SWITCH YOUR VOTES

Now WoS is rewriting history, sk8 “never WAS scum” lol unreal.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS fucks up again

On June 24 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Good timing!
Yeah if I was around I would have hammered 100% 'cause I love seein' me some flip even though I haven't read into austin in the slightest.
Take that whatever way you will, but I'm telling the truth.

I think it's kinda funny that it was even insinuated that I should be modkilled because I didn't vote btw. Like....was it MZ who said 'yeah don't modkill/warn Wave 'cause he wasn't around for the solstice kill.'

Even if it was a scumplan of mine to conveniently disappear, it's obvious that I was around and voted immediately prior to that so there is no need for a modkill or warning. I don't even see the point in bringing it up. I find it less odd that I am being suspected of afking on purpose than MZ's defense of me, and those two things are definitely incompatible.

WoS really just gives it away here, “I’d hammer him for the flip.” That’s not a very townie mindset -_- Then he brings up the fact he was afk and tries to say I defended him? All I was saying was that since the shot happened so fast it wouldn’t be fair to modkill people who didn’t vote but WoS feels the need to get on a giant explain train as to why he wasn’t here.

TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to kill whoever is under the gun as has been shown time and again, furthermore he brings up nonsense points to muddy the waters.

On June 24 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
I won't be killed at night obv so I'll share scumreads when I get home and have some time later.
It'll probably be after deadline.

Yup, he knows he’s not gonna die lol. Also I’d love to see some unique scumreads but my guess is they’ll be whatever it is that the thread is currently discussing.

Ok I’m done here, this guy is so scum it’s not even funny.

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 24 2013 18:48 GMT

#1192

I'd have waited for the deadline but I have to go to class, peace out biddies

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

June 24 2013 22:39 GMT

#1351

That's some bullshit

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

July 02 2013 22:42 GMT

#3459

Fuck

Yes

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

July 02 2013 22:49 GMT

#3467

So town what did we learn.

IF YOU HAVE ALMOST CONFIRMED SCUM, YOU KILL CONFIRMED SCUM. Scum team was outed d2, I've never seen a town blow a game so epically as this.

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

July 02 2013 23:05 GMT

#3477

austin I will forever has respect for you as a player

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

July 03 2013 00:22 GMT

#3504

Honestly I do agree a little bit with geript's balance whine and think kita should have just been scum. Even though we won town still had waaaaaay too much leniency to fuck up.

Other than that it was a fun game, thanks to decon and sent for hosting.

Also fuck you BC I thought we were bros lol

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

July 03 2013 01:09 GMT

#3529

I <3 you gonzaw

Meapak_Ziphh

United States6786 Posts

July 03 2013 03:14 GMT

#3560

On July 03 2013 12:10 geript wrote:
The funny thing about this, despite I'm sure no one believing me, is that the D1 lynch story is 100% true.

I find this to be the most ironic thing of the game. The event that exposed the scum team was entirely innocent and accidental.

Geript really wasn't around and I actually did go watch indycar haha