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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22079 Posts
July 17 2013 23:33 GMT
#461
Wiggles, do you have masons to talk to at the moment?

MZ is a fine target as well.

Basically anyone with low activity is someone I would kill given this D1 situation.

Need to think again about killing the presumed Chezinu though, even though I ddidn't agree with his claimed suspects, at least he put in more effort than someone like ace. I'd probably not pick him for policy lynching today over all other alternatives.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 18 2013 00:08 GMT
#462
If VE claims dayvig on day1 to save himself from the lynch shouldn't he fire at his scumread?

If he is town then scum know about his role and as town we don't back off of a lynch because the person roleclaimed before we kicked the block from under they feet so that the noose would bite into their neck and cut the supply of air to the lungs and oxygen to the brain.

a last minute claim does not a townie make particularly a non-confirmed confirmable claim.

#donate 1 post to vayne cus having no posts is stupid if something happens
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 18 2013 00:11 GMT
#463
I just replaced in and you're calling me out for effort?

ok.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22079 Posts
July 18 2013 00:12 GMT
#464
On July 18 2013 09:08 layabout wrote:
If VE claims dayvig on day1 to save himself from the lynch shouldn't he fire at his scumread?

If he is town then scum know about his role and as town we don't back off of a lynch because the person roleclaimed before we kicked the block from under they feet so that the noose would bite into their neck and cut the supply of air to the lungs and oxygen to the brain.

a last minute claim does not a townie make particularly a non-confirmed confirmable claim.

#donate 1 post to vayne cus having no posts is stupid if something happens


Shouldn't you read your scumread's filter if you were town? That would help answering part of your question.
Still no statement regarding your Vayne blooper so far.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2013 00:15 GMT
#465
I need to go for the night, I'm gonna vote Kholly/Chez as he's my best lead so far. All his reads have been silly, and the PMs gumshoe showed remind me immensely of the PMs scum-mason Chez sent to people in LIX. He's usually perceptive with his trolling when he's town, and here he's not.

##vote: kholly
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 18 2013 00:18 GMT
#466
oh, er... ##Donate VE 2 posts or whatever I have spare.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 18 2013 00:23 GMT
#467
On July 18 2013 09:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 09:08 layabout wrote:
If VE claims dayvig on day1 to save himself from the lynch shouldn't he fire at his scumread?

If he is town then scum know about his role and as town we don't back off of a lynch because the person roleclaimed before we kicked the block from under they feet so that the noose would bite into their neck and cut the supply of air to the lungs and oxygen to the brain.

a last minute claim does not a townie make particularly a non-confirmed confirmable claim.

#donate 1 post to vayne cus having no posts is stupid if something happens


Shouldn't you read your scumread's filter if you were town? That would help answering part of your question.
Still no statement regarding your Vayne blooper so far.

vayne was not a scumread and you trying to paint it that way just doesn't sit right with me

can you spell out how it answer's my question? I am of course presuming that you think VE is my scumread which i have not said.

I shall add that VE accepts responsibility for his part in being lynched right before he claims. This is important because the two actions do not fit. Accepting the threads decision is one way to go, he says what he wants to say and accepts the decision to lynch him. Then he follows it up with a roleclaim to keep himself alive. It is not helpful, he does not support it although he should be able to confirm it. If he is town he has not helped town with that claim as he should be able to. What he has does is give people a reason to doubt or take back their votes to look after himself.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22079 Posts
July 18 2013 00:33 GMT
#468
I need to sleep.

Dropping my last vote on S & B cause there's a decent chance he gets lynched too, afaik. With WIggle's and DrH's support it should be possible. I'm not sold on lynching SlOosh so soon either, I only see him as decent and realistic alternative to VE.

Lynching VE is simply and utterly stupid cause he can prove his claim tomorrow, during the day.
Why should he fakeclaim something as abstruse and hard to fake as america. Call it WIFOM, but it will be ezpz to see if he's lying or not tomorrow. Launch nuke, wait for mod confirmation, and maybe there's someone with an anti nuke out there.

You're also risking to disrupt a me-ve-marv mason "wheel".

If you plan on staying on the VE wagon, you should really think thrice about what you're doing.
At worst we give 1 scum another day to live before he gets lynched for sure.

@ Layabout

I mentioned how his role mechanics work in an earlier post, as he had explained to me in a PM.
You seem to be unaware of those, hence you're not reading my filter.

You still show no intent in pushing me, you're instead trying to justify a switch to VE now that you have a wagon available, apparently.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 18 2013 00:35 GMT
#469
Which is interesting because he's making it very very clear that he hasn't said I'm a scum read of his.

Just sayin.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22079 Posts
July 18 2013 00:36 GMT
#470

#Donate:

2 to VE
2 to DrH
2 to FT
2 to gumshoe


Not sure if this is possible but look it up before you post maybe. RoL said something of a restriction I think.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22079 Posts
July 18 2013 00:37 GMT
#471
Remove the 2 posts to gumshoe cause I used two posts up to write all this stuff.

I'd rather see VE talking a little more and DrH and FT tunneling some more.

Nothing against you gumshoe, but you're low priority in this constellation.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 18 2013 00:44 GMT
#472
vivax in future can you please quote the bit you mean? because i if you mean " I'm currently saving my ability up for a possibly good moment" from this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19213324 then you should know that most people will skip over pm logs unless you tell them that there is something specific in them that they need to look for.
I cant see where you talk about his role mechanics. After his claim you call it "too weird to be fake "and demand that we don't lynch him.

For a 24 player game we have a vote's spread pretty thinly:
here are the leaders as far as i can tell and we should not be lynching slOosh.
votes
sloosh: 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes
VE: 3 FirmTofu yamato77 slOosh
snb:2 Vivax gumshoe
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 18 2013 00:47 GMT
#473
Hey guys
At my gf's house posting on phone
Voting VE cause he scum

I'll try to check back in one more time before the lynch but I might not be able to
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
July 18 2013 00:49 GMT
#474
Inflammatory, lol. You're trying to dodge my points and gain town cred. It's disgusting.

On July 18 2013 08:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You said this AFTER saying you were returning me to a null read. The fact is I said sloOsh was null SEVERAL times after that and you ignored it completely.

Show nested quote +
You sounded so confident that slOosh was town after glancing at his post. Why? Only scum could be so certain of such a thing. Considering that was the first time you had ever read slOosh's post, it doesn't really make sense for you to have such a strong reaction if you were town.


So you're admitting now that was a deliberate exaggeration to gauge my reaction of what I really thought of sloOsh? Well here's a list of some of my quotes regarding him:
Show nested quote +
It's hardly a consolidated effort and I hardly ever said I have a strong townread on him either. In fact, I don't have any read on sloOsh cause I haven't been focused on him this game. He hasn't jumped out and grabbed my attention.


Show nested quote +
read his defense he said i have a STRONG townread on sloosh which is not what i said, i was only pointing out how he misrepresented what sloosh was saying. saying that something is non-scummy from a player is not laying out a strong townread. he's panicking.


Show nested quote +
Ridiculous. I said what sloOsh said didn't mean anything at all. Later in that post I stated "What sloOsh is doing is townier than what you're doing", directed at FirmTofu. This is not the same as claiming I have a strong townread on sloOsh. FirmTofu jumps illogically at the bait - MEANING he is looking for reasons to attack me rather than finding them naturally. sloOsh at that point, at least had offered some advice on how to PM constructively. FirmTofu had only been talking about the traitor role up until that point.


The third quote by me is part of the post that made you unvote me! Yet you continue the argument about sloOsh!

So your claim is:
You deliberately claimed (this could be interpreted as lying more than anything I've done, by the way) that I was defending sloOsh harder than you really thought I was to probe my reaction. Why are you still probing my reaction? I've stated several times that I don't have a townread on sloOsh, much less a strong one. The only reason I even paid attention to sloOsh in the first place is because you used his post as a jumping off point to attack me!!!!

Show nested quote +
If you respond with, "OF COURSE SLOOSH IS TOWN, HOW COULD HE NOT BE TOWN? LOOK AT HIS POST, JESUS CHRIST! OF COURSE HE'S TOWN."
Then I pursue you further. Why? Because scum are more worried about being called liars than they are about their honest motivations.

If you respond with, "Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have been so quick to judge slOosh. You're right, he could definitely be either scum or town, but I'm leaning town atm."
Then I would have dropped the case immediately.


THIS IS BULLSHIT BECAUSE I NEVER JUDGED SLOOSH

I NEVER CALLED HIM TOWN

I NEVER SAID I HAD A READ ON HIM

MY POST ABOUT SLOOSH WAS NEUTRAL

IN FACT SEVERAL TIMES AFTER THE FACT, I SAID MORE OR LESS THE SECOND EXAMPLE (minus the part where I say "you're right" about anything because you're scum and wrong about everything).

You're the one lying and making shit up now it's so obvious oh my god


No one has anything to say? Anyone who thinks VE is scum is a moron.

FT is literally lying and making things up and then refusing to talk about it YET that is the same thing he was just calling me scum for earlier was ignoring his "points" this is so bad and scummy. I bet my entire mafia career that this guy is either scum or so bad he should be banned forever. I will concede from this game and give my slot to a replacement if FT is town.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
July 18 2013 00:50 GMT
#475
If anyone is interested, my three strongest townie reads are gumshoe, rayn and VE in fact those three are so obvious to me I'm blown away anyone would even consider voting for them.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
July 18 2013 00:53 GMT
#476
In fact, I will go as far as to say FT's logic is impossible for town. He's confirmed scum. Anyone who thinks FT is town is too lazy to read my posts.
RIP Aaliyah
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
July 18 2013 00:54 GMT
#477
Dr.H I'm gonna sheep you. Sum up what's happened so far.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 18 2013 00:55 GMT
#478
It is not without regret that i will be voting for VisceraEyes today.

He made a claim that i see no good reason for town to make. He did not explain it. He did not attempt to confirm it. He simply used it for self preservation.

Everytime time he does this i will vote for him.
#vote: VisceraEyes

other stuff:
The more times I read the thread over, the more I like the idea of a slOosh lynch. I'm masoned with slOosh, presumably of his choosing because I didn't initiate it. He's done nothing with it aside from ask me two questions. First, he mentioned what I just mentioned above, the mistake post where I replace slOosh with MZ. Second, and this is the important one: "What do you think about layabout's PM stance?"

………..what? WHAT? I'm on the block for "not contributing enough" and he wants to know what I think about layabout's stance on the mechanics? OVER 24 HOURS INTO THE DAY? He's faking it guys - everything he says, he's faking contribution. I'm fully okay with a slOosh lynch. And since I'm definitely not going to convince you guys on Malongo:

slightly waffly context:
It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on.

But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread.

VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context.

I challenge you to read malongo's filter and come back and say it justifies VE's efforts in pushing him.

VE is scum
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 18 2013 00:58 GMT
#479
So what's different about this game where you're so easily able to discern my real alignment, when you said earlier that every game you've ever read of mine you've thought I was scum Doc?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 18 2013 00:58 GMT
#480
vivax you only had 3 wall for me to read when i said i would write a case. But now it would require way too much effort on my part with no real benefit.
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