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On June 04 2013 12:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 12:15 Stutters695 wrote:On June 04 2013 11:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 04 2013 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 04 2013 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 04 2013 11:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hot damn. This is the first game where I've either played with everyone on the list or been in a game hosted by them.
Except for Vayne. Never played with Vayne before
OCD tiem
##Vote: VayneAuthority Or me...? Could've sworm I played with you before Narp. Ok setup spec bores me. Wat we do till something happens? I haven't really read the scum qt from Les Mis, was JJD active in there despite his lack of posting in the thread? Probably since that's generally been my scum gameplan: Lurk as much as I can get away with. Though obviously I'd have to change it up @ some point or I'd be pretty easy to read. This seems like a wierd thing to bring up. Like u could easily go look @ the QT and find out for yourself. Instead you want someone else to point it out. Especially since a few people in Les Mis mentioned that I had done that exact same thing in my previous scum game.
I brought it up for discussion proposes since we're not very active right now. I'm aware of your previous scum game from Les Mis but I wanted to know about Les Mis specifically. It's not worth my time to go read that when we're barely into d1.
Anyway I'm about to go to bed, might post once or twice tonight.
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On June 04 2013 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
I havent really read through the thread all that specifically yet.
I think random voting is horribly inaccurate and you should never do it.
I'm awake and caught up on the like fifteen posts.
Seriously, what are you doing at all then? Care to contribute?
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum?
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He did say pregame that he had a heavy workload and he'd only in if it was Monday or later so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. Definitely worth watching though.
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Ebwop: zeph sniped me, that was at the fuba question
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On June 05 2013 02:08 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 02:03 Stutters695 wrote:
What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum? I'll give him the benefit of doubt, but he is right up there on "people I want dead" list. what do you think of WoS play so far?
TBH I'm not really sure, his first scum game was very good and I had a town read on him throughout so take this with a grain of salt.
The post you voted him for stood out to me for similar reasons. The red herring part is a good point but it isn't lynchworthy on its own. Last game he played up the never rolled scum angle(he was scum), but he also brought it up with me in LXI (town). I'd like to see his response.
The lurker lynch I could totally understand from him as either alignment. He just played in a lurk heavy game as scum, so if he rolled scum again he could be feigning frustration but if he's town he could be frustrated by how easy it was for them and how scum this game can do the exact same thing.
I don't think he's a good d1 lynch because he is usually active and gives sound reasoning behind his reads. If he doesn't appear more or is doing just enough to not be lynched then we lynch him but he's a bad d1 target imo.
I'd say null.
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s0l I'll have that for you in a second, its a bit longer so I need to get to my PC and type it up instead of on my phone.
JJD can you read what I said about WoS. Does that change your opinion at all?
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@s0l: regarding Oats I was going to type more, but the more I read the less sure I am now that I'm checking his previous games.
Oats trolls a shitload. My thinking at the time was by getting him near death he would actually contribute and we could read and decide what to do based off of that. The issue is that after checking past games I didn't play with him, if he gets lynched he trolls all the way to the noose (especially as town).
Regardless of how Oats looks right now, I've found a much better lynch today.
Note, because of the general lack of activity so far, this is a very meta based case:
Prplhz
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2013 19:25 prplhz wrote:hey i'm trying to post more because usually i get brought up as a lurker lynch on d1. that didn't use to bother me but i decided before this game that maybe i should try not to get brought up as a lynch d1 in every single game i play. also people complain at me for not having clear scum reads on d1 so i'm just going to pretend that my very tentative scum reads are MUST LYNCH WITH INTENSITY scum reads instead. Alright. Right now my Zephirdd is my MUST LYNCH WITH INTENSITY scum read. His early posting seems very careful such as "Ace said pre-game how this benefits town, so it should be a nobrainer right?" It's like he thinks this is a good plan but he'd rather hear what someone else thinks before he makes a decision on it. I mean "nobrainer" and "right?" are just two words that shouldn't be in the same sentence unless you're kinda split on where you stand. In this post he gives someone the advice to go look at Smurf Mini Mafia, a game which couldn't have less to do with this game. He wants him to just avoid meta analysis which seems like a scum move to me since meta analysis can be really good. Also this post seems really off. Scum care a lot about how they appear in the thread and this post looks like he wants to appear like a guy who just votes for a strong player with no fear or hesitation (ostensibly a townie trait). He doesn't do this as town though, looked through his last three games (all town games) and in all games those games there wasn't a single vote like this. He always has reasonable for his votes. So yea, I feel that right now Zephirdd is the right way to go. A combination of posting style and the weird Ace vote. ##Vote ZephirddHow 'bout it fellas?
His first point against Zeph is the wording of "no brainer, right?" I didn't question it because its a commonly used idiom, hardly a scum tell. Prplhz's profile says from Denmark so that's probably lost in translation, at worst misrepresentation.
The Smurf Mini point: Again, misrepresentation. Jayunbridge was complaining about not having experience with players to use meta, Zeph was telling him to play without worrying about meta then, not telling the thread to avoid meta arguments entirely.
And now the meta points about Zeph's voting style: Going through his past 3 games Zeph's TL Mafia history, I see Dr. Who(Town), Mexican Standoff (Scum and No Lynching period), and Rockband Mini (SK). If he actually went and looked through his last 3 games, he's lying out his teeth, and if he meant he looked through his last 3 town games, blatant misrepresentation (3/3 on that in this case).
Now onto Prplhz's meta:
In his past six games (4town, 2scum) he has a blatant scum meta. I've included the six games below. In the scum games he makes attacks based off of loosely based arguments that are easy to back out of and their use of meta arguments. He gets upset when people don't respond to his weak, early cases. You'll also notice that he is much more engaged as town and doesn't go for D1 cases without asking questions.
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So I propose we lynch Prplhz
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##Vote: Prplhz
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And with that I'll be on and off AFK until work (5pm EST) but I would love to hear your thoughts on that case.
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On June 05 2013 04:06 Vivax wrote:
FUCK FUCK FUCK
I JUST DELETED MY MASSIVE POST
FUCK MY LIFE
I don't need quote by quote analysis but give me a rundown on who your #1 lynch was before you type up your post again.
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L O FUCKING L
Try reading it and providing an actual reason if you disagree.
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That was @ Rayn, not Vivax.
Vivax you should get the scum mentality I'm showing here. It's the exact same thing you tried to do to me in YANMM. The scum point of view being he's intentionally pushing a false case to appear contributing/secure a mislynch which can easily be brushed off as just a misguided meta case if Zeph flips town. I was trying to keep the case impartial and let people decide themselves, but if you want an argument for lynching him without the meta portion:
1. He blatantly lied Zeph's previous games.
2.He blatantly misrepresented the Smurf mini point.
3. (possibly) He misrepresented(scum)/misunderstood(null) an idiom and used it as a point of attack.
There isn't a single portion of his case that is based on facts. He hasn't appeared involved in town, he just shows up and drops a case then bounces. Without the meta, that's scummy alone. With his meta, its damning.
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ebwop lied about Zeph's previous games.
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On June 05 2013 04:47 JarJarDrinks wrote:So if I'm understanding this correctly: Rayn is voting Stutters cause his case on Prplz is bad and Stutters is voting Prplz cause his case on Zeph is bad?  I think most of stutters case is pretty weak except for this point:
And what is weak about it? If you take the time to actually read my case, Carnival, and LIX its painfully obvious. Go through his other games I provided and compare how deep into the games he posts a point by point case to both his scum games and his play this game. There is a reason he gets caught as scum fairly often.
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Read the Mexican standoff player list/op and you'll see why I made that mistake. I'm not reading an entire game to figure out the setup if the op says he was scum. Fact still remains there was no voting.
The SK is playing for whatever side is losing and isn't an accurate representation of town meta.
Vivax makes a good point that he might have not counted standoff, but then the next game by my count is GSL (town) but his very first post was a vote on prplhz for the kenpachi rule. Hardly great reasoning for the vote like prpl implies (maybe you guys value the kenpachi rule more than I do but I think it's dumb).
Vivax your questions are coming up, I'm at work now so longer posts take some time.
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Oh, one more thing Rayne, if he's trying to change his meta than he needs to be here and actively trying. Regardless of his alignment he appears disinterested and from my experiences he's not nearly as involved as scum as town.
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Well I'm not really sure what else I can do to convince you on prpl if everyone has just decided meta is bad. He's demonstrably misconstrued posts for his only real contribution to the thread in addition to the meta but once he keeps this up I'm sure you'll all come around so whatever.
I don't agree with your conclusion Vivax. Your points in isolation of the thread would be very scummy but I agree with his points on Jay. I also haven't played with Jay so if this is his MO then I'll re-evaluate but I understand your conclusion, but given his other posting and his case on Jay I don't think he's a d1 lynch.
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Also, where the fuck is oats. I've written off sloosh but oats is ridiculous.
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Vivax: regarding the meta part. That's why I provided his last six games. I'm aware I'm biased as shit in this, look over them and you'll see a blatant difference between how he pressures as town compared to scum.
Sorry I'm phone posting so I'm not really proofing. I mean your points on s0l make sense, but in the context of his entire filter this game it seems the town explanation for s0l is more likely currently. S0l isn't d1 material to me, Jay I could get behind.
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On June 05 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 07:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Also, where the fuck is oats. I've written off sloosh but oats is ridiculous. Why have you written off sloosh?
Because if he isn't here then worrying about him is pointless. His pregame post also implies that he wasn't going to be around at the beginning of the game. We deal with him when he shows up.
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