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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Oats trolls a shitload. My thinking at the time was by getting him near death he would actually contribute and we could read and decide what to do based off of that. The issue is that after checking past games I didn't play with him, if he gets lynched he trolls all the way to the noose (especially as town). Regardless of how Oats looks right now, I've found a much better lynch today. Note, because of the general lack of activity so far, this is a very meta based case: Prplhz This game + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2013 19:25 prplhz wrote: hey i'm trying to post more because usually i get brought up as a lurker lynch on d1. that didn't use to bother me but i decided before this game that maybe i should try not to get brought up as a lynch d1 in every single game i play. also people complain at me for not having clear scum reads on d1 so i'm just going to pretend that my very tentative scum reads are MUST LYNCH WITH INTENSITY scum reads instead. Alright. Right now my Zephirdd is my MUST LYNCH WITH INTENSITY scum read. His early posting seems very careful such as "Ace said pre-game how this benefits town, so it should be a nobrainer right?" It's like he thinks this is a good plan but he'd rather hear what someone else thinks before he makes a decision on it. I mean "nobrainer" and "right?" are just two words that shouldn't be in the same sentence unless you're kinda split on where you stand. In this post he gives someone the advice to go look at Smurf Mini Mafia, a game which couldn't have less to do with this game. He wants him to just avoid meta analysis which seems like a scum move to me since meta analysis can be really good. Also this post seems really off. Scum care a lot about how they appear in the thread and this post looks like he wants to appear like a guy who just votes for a strong player with no fear or hesitation (ostensibly a townie trait). He doesn't do this as town though, looked through his last three games (all town games) and in all games those games there wasn't a single vote like this. He always has reasonable for his votes. So yea, I feel that right now Zephirdd is the right way to go. A combination of posting style and the weird Ace vote. ##Vote Zephirdd How 'bout it fellas? His first point against Zeph is the wording of "no brainer, right?" I didn't question it because its a commonly used idiom, hardly a scum tell. Prplhz's profile says from Denmark so that's probably lost in translation, at worst misrepresentation. The Smurf Mini point: Again, misrepresentation. Jayunbridge was complaining about not having experience with players to use meta, Zeph was telling him to play without worrying about meta then, not telling the thread to avoid meta arguments entirely. And now the meta points about Zeph's voting style: Going through his past 3 games Zeph's TL Mafia history, I see Dr. Who(Town), Mexican Standoff (Scum and No Lynching period), and Rockband Mini (SK). If he actually went and looked through his last 3 games, he's lying out his teeth, and if he meant he looked through his last 3 town games, blatant misrepresentation (3/3 on that in this case). Now onto Prplhz's meta: In his past six games (4town, 2scum) he has a blatant scum meta. I've included the six games below. In the scum games he makes attacks based off of loosely based arguments that are easy to back out of and their use of meta arguments. He gets upset when people don't respond to his weak, early cases. You'll also notice that he is much more engaged as town and doesn't go for D1 cases without asking questions. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Scum Games] + Carnival, LIX So I propose we lynch Prplhz ##unvote ##Vote: Prplhz | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On June 05 2013 04:06 Vivax wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK I JUST DELETED MY MASSIVE POST FUCK MY LIFE I don't need quote by quote analysis but give me a rundown on who your #1 lynch was before you type up your post again. | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
First of all, I have three exams in the upcoming weeks, the 10th my oral as addendum to my written exam of today, two other written ones with two other orals, then another written one the 26th without oral. This is a disclaimer for everyone who will try to judge me on my activity. I should be reading books, not mafia, and I will give my best with the time I have. Judge me on the content of my posts. If anyone tries to dig up some meta shit or activity argument to push my lynch, they will be claiming scum in the thread, and I will hit them so hard that they will regret herping so hard that they derped. Now, off to le notions I have to rewrite, I'm slightly drunk sorry. @ Stutters Your case against prplhz is that you think he's wrong about what he says in his case, and that he plays differently from his past games. Nothing in what you say proves a scum mentality. You prove he's wrong about Zeph with more meta about Zeph. All your arguments seem to be meta, can you at least find me one that isn't? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
##Vote: Stutters because the case on prpl is bad. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Try reading it and providing an actual reason if you disagree. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
On June 05 2013 04:26 Vivax wrote: Anyway. First of all, I have three exams in the upcoming weeks, the 10th my oral as addendum to my written exam of today, two other written ones with two other orals, then another written one the 26th without oral. This is a disclaimer for everyone who will try to judge me on my activity. I should be reading books, not mafia, and I will give my best with the time I have. Judge me on the content of my posts. If anyone tries to dig up some meta shit or activity argument to push my lynch, they will be claiming scum in the thread, and I will hit them so hard that they will regret herping so hard that they derped. Now, off to le notions I have to rewrite, I'm slightly drunk sorry. @ Stutters Your case against prplhz is that you think he's wrong about what he says in his case, and that he plays differently from his past games. Nothing in what you say proves a scum mentality. You prove he's wrong about Zeph with more meta about Zeph. All your arguments seem to be meta, can you at least find me one that isn't? How is propping a case up based on faulty reasoning not a possible scum mentality? There is a difference between wrong reasoning and manipulative reasoning. His case was attempting to show it was the latter. I need to look at the games you cited Stutters when I have a bit more time. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Vivax you should get the scum mentality I'm showing here. It's the exact same thing you tried to do to me in YANMM. The scum point of view being he's intentionally pushing a false case to appear contributing/secure a mislynch which can easily be brushed off as just a misguided meta case if Zeph flips town. I was trying to keep the case impartial and let people decide themselves, but if you want an argument for lynching him without the meta portion: 1. He blatantly lied Zeph's previous games. 2.He blatantly misrepresented the Smurf mini point. 3. (possibly) He misrepresented(scum)/misunderstood(null) an idiom and used it as a point of attack. There isn't a single portion of his case that is based on facts. He hasn't appeared involved in town, he just shows up and drops a case then bounces. Without the meta, that's scummy alone. With his meta, its damning. | ||
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Stutters695
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
 I think most of stutters case is pretty weak except for this point: On June 05 2013 04:11 Stutters695 wrote: and I'm kinda surprised to see people writing it off (assumming it's true, I haven't actually checked yet). I'd like to hear from Prplz about this since he does seem to lie here:And now the meta points about Zeph's voting style: Going through his past 3 games Zeph's TL Mafia history, I see Dr. Who(Town), Mexican Standoff (Scum and No Lynching period), and Rockband Mini (SK). If he actually went and looked through his last 3 games, he's lying out his teeth, and if he meant he looked through his last 3 town games, blatant misrepresentation (3/3 on that in this case). On June 04 2013 19:25 prplhz wrote: ...looked through his last three games (all town games) and in all games those games there wasn't a single vote like this. He always has reasonable for his votes. Prplz, did you actually look through Zephs last 3 games? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 05 2013 04:26 Vivax wrote: Anyway. First of all, I have three exams in the upcoming weeks, the 10th my oral as addendum to my written exam of today, two other written ones with two other orals, then another written one the 26th without oral. This is a disclaimer for everyone who will try to judge me on my activity. I should be reading books, not mafia, and I will give my best with the time I have. Judge me on the content of my posts. If anyone tries to dig up some meta shit or activity argument to push my lynch, they will be claiming scum in the thread, and I will hit them so hard that they will regret herping so hard that they derped. Now, off to le notions I have to rewrite, I'm slightly drunk sorry. @ Stutters Your case against prplhz is that you think he's wrong about what he says in his case, and that he plays differently from his past games. Nothing in what you say proves a scum mentality. You prove he's wrong about Zeph with more meta about Zeph. All your arguments seem to be meta, can you at least find me one that isn't? I absolutely hate this shit. It's arrogant and completely shuts down discussion before it can even be had. Scum BH said something like this in Carnival Cruise regarding prplhz and his meta case on kush which turned out to just be mafia fucking with the thread. If people want to make meta cases on you they can go right ahead and fucking do it. Now: On June 05 2013 03:22 Zephirdd wrote: I don't know, its hard to find the townie perspective of your questions. Both the "what do you think of my play" and the lurker lynch consideration were way too early to have a town motivation, when compared to scum motivation for that. Knowing that there is low activity, and the fact that you don't seem to be bringing new things into the table(low post count =/= lack of content), do you consider yours a good town gameplay so far? what do you make of s0lstice's case on jaybondage, for example? Town motivation was literally asking questions of people to try and divine their alignment. Knowing how both JJD and Vayne played scum last game, I was curious if their answers towards my questions would help me figure out anything about the way they would be playing this game. If you choose to ignore this point then that's your prerogative. As far as new things brought, I brought plenty of new things to the table, including the suspicion and discussion towards me. Any discussion is good discussion on D1 even if the subject is somewhat misguided; it will allow people to get reads of me, with which I am fine. I consider my own townplay perfectly good and accomplishing exactly what I have set out to do, whilst being completely transparent in my thought processes in the meantime. Regarding Solstice's case: The fact that he recognizes himself as occasional lynchbait without going out of his way to correct this is either absolutely awful townplay or scum pre-emptively making excuses. There is no other explanation I can think of and therefore agree with Solstice's and layabout's point. I'm not sure how *pokes with sitck* constitutes meaningless pressure though; it honestly doesn't even look like pressure at all so I find it kind of odd that anyone would be quick to jump on that particular post of jay's. Something very odd going on here though because jay's post after that strikes me as even weirder: On June 04 2013 11:59 jaybrundage wrote: Layabout its not even real pressure it seems pretty obvious to me that he was role playing. Havent you ever wanted to poke a drunk with a stick :D Also i plan to pressure who ever i want for any reason i want or for no reason at all. How exactly can what Vayne said be interpreted as roleplaying? I get the poking a drunk with a stick but that's a really odd interpretation of what appeared to me to simply be Vayne excusing his play. (The fact that it turned out to be fake means jay somehow already knew this?) He then goes on to say he can pressure who and how he wants which is probably a towny post on its own, but again, can what he did actually be said to be pressuring at all? A very aggressive stance to take where in my opinion, none was necessary. There are oddities in jay's play, to be sure, and the main point I agree with of Solstice's is the fact that Jay felt the need to make excuses for his play early on while apparently AWARE of his bad play rather than correct it. I would like to see more from jay himself before making a call. Solstice's case was really just a rehashing and agreement of what layabout had already said so while the point was good, it doesn't really give me any info about Solstice's alignment other than the fact that he is content to sheep others thus far while contributing nothing new of his own. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On June 05 2013 04:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: So if I'm understanding this correctly: Rayn is voting Stutters cause his case on Prplz is bad and Stutters is voting Prplz cause his case on Zeph is bad? I think most of stutters case is pretty weak except for this point: And what is weak about it? If you take the time to actually read my case, Carnival, and LIX its painfully obvious. Go through his other games I provided and compare how deep into the games he posts a point by point case to both his scum games and his play this game. There is a reason he gets caught as scum fairly often. | ||
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Vivax
21690 Posts
On June 04 2013 10:00 s0Lstice wrote: Are you turning a new leaf stutters? Answer honestly, is this the first time you've proposed a lurker lynch? On June 04 2013 10:18 Stutters695 wrote: Out of curiosity s0l what were you hoping to learn from that question? Not exactly a soup quotation. On June 04 2013 10:23 s0Lstice wrote: Nothing really. Just a lil flight of fancy/fun. Of substance though, I have an early, tentative townread on you (Stutters) and layabout. Stutters for general thread presence/comfort/activity and layabout for picking on probably the scummiest post that has been made so far. Thoughts? 1 )S0lstice giving out townreads here to the guy questioning him about his own question strikes me as defensive. He says layabout picked on the scummiest post so far. He asks about thoughts on his townreads, and also asks it to his townreads, I presume, since he is telling stutters that he has a townread on him. 2 ) What's the scummiest post? A jokey post by Jay where he "pokes Vayne with a stick" after he said he would post nothing. Layabout goes as far as to call it pressure, s0lstice piggybacks on it to call it a case. The other part of it is Jay referring to himself as lynch bait and complaining about unknown players. Too bad for s0lstice, Jay is indeed the biggest lynch bait I have probably seen on this forum. Hence, I have two questions for you, s0lstice: 1) Why do you ask people about thoughts on townreads, and what pushed you to give them out in that situation? I can understand giving out townreads when you want to lynch someone over somebody else, and one of them is town in your opinion as opposed to your scumread, but I don't see the purpose in that situation, other than making yourself look like contributing after someone pointed out your question being kind of pointless. 2) Did you ever play with Jay? I might understand you growing suspicious of his defensive posting if that's not the case. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ @ Sentinel So far I've almost only seen setup talk and an unexplained vote from you. Could you give me a more substantial, as in read-related impression of players? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
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Vivax
21690 Posts
While I agree that meta is overrated, this clearly shows prplhz bloating up an issue. The rest of your arguments revolve around the meta he tries to use against Zephir, one game is mexican standoff so it's not a game of mafia, it's a Caller game. I want to see what he has to say to it before jumping to conclusions though. Your turn now, tell me what you think of the points I brought up about s0lstice, and the points he brought up about Jay. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43188 Posts
On June 05 2013 05:10 Zephirdd wrote: Phone posting. For the record i was town on mexican standoff. It was a game with only town and a survivor and many death millers That's one of my points against stutters. He himself obviously did not even check the mexican standoff fully. And SK is more likely to play as town because they do not have teammates. Other than, why the fuck would you make a meta case on someone who just said he is trying to change his "meta" because in last games of his he has been up for D1 lynch regardless of alignment? Nothing prplhz has done this game is particularly scummy imo. If there is something i have missed, let me know Stutters. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On June 05 2013 02:25 s0Lstice wrote: Stutters, can you answer your own question? You are voting him (Oats) currently so I assume that you have some reason to think he is more likely to be scum than just a townie not particularly giving a shit. My thinking is I have no idea on his alignment just yet. Generally though being totally careless of the threads opinion of you is a townie trait, so he has that going for now. I gotta say I agree with layabout on jaybrundage. His entry into the thread was filled with trepidation It looks to me like he is trying to defuse pressure on him before it even happens. 'I can't rely on previous experiences' is a prepackaged excuse to go light on scum hunting. 'I am occasionally lynch bate' is a prepackaged excuse for looking suspicious. It looks extremely self conscious. This point by layabout too is relevent. Meaningless pressure. It's a way of looking useful without actually being useful (shit-flinging at somebody who isn't going to be around to take umbrage). This is the direction I want to go. He looks the scummiest of anybody so far. ##vote jaybrundage Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play. Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post. The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case. #Vote S0lstice | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
The SK is playing for whatever side is losing and isn't an accurate representation of town meta. Vivax makes a good point that he might have not counted standoff, but then the next game by my count is GSL (town) but his very first post was a vote on prplhz for the kenpachi rule. Hardly great reasoning for the vote like prpl implies (maybe you guys value the kenpachi rule more than I do but I think it's dumb). Vivax your questions are coming up, I'm at work now so longer posts take some time. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 05 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote: Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play. Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post. The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case. #Vote S0lstice No one addresses my post which has said much of the same stuff Vivax did, surprise surprise. AAAANNNNYYWAYYY Why should we be giving you a free pass exactly if you have acknowledged that you're lynchbait? Why do you continue to play as such? | ||
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Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D
