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On June 05 2013 06:04 Hurndall3 wrote:stahp!! HW is confirmed town as far as im concerned. HW SAID (too hard to quote shit properly) Show nested quote + I'm not the scummiest looking if the fucking medic gets lynched before I do. You don't even need context. Contained in that single sentence is an attitude that is impossible to fake as scum.
Admitting his behavior makes him look scummy, making several excuses for it, but him saying that somehow nullified everything before it for you? You were rather quick to pick up on that and disregard the rest of the post. In fact, you seem to have a history of using shortcuts in general. Do you attribute looking for an easy way to determine alignments to this game being a smurf game where there's nobody you recognize?
On May 30 2013 00:52 Hurndall3 wrote:
wow it is hard to play all smurf games. I can't keep people apart.
Is this still the case? To me it's a possible explanation for your behavior, but on the other hand that is also a convenient excuse for:
On May 31 2013 05:07 Hurndall3 wrote:
sorry why do you say that?
because i join and leave bandwagons easily?
I think this is generally a town tell. But it's also evident that you're not thinking critically about things and letting the greenest reads do the majority of the work for you.
On June 03 2013 06:47 Hurndall3 wrote:
holy shite this is the most amazing town I've ever seen.
On June 03 2013 09:58 Hurndall3 wrote:
oh shit pretty sick twist. I'm waiting for the awesome things therealmccoy has to say. He has to convince me that someone else is scum for me to be cool with him.
So will this be your standard tactic for the remainder of the game, namely to sheep the loudest or strongest town voices? I would agree if someone argued you established innocence early, but that credit does decay over time without upkeep.
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but that credit does decay over time without upkeep
PT what is your point? just to call me bad townie or are you accusing me of being scum or what? because alignment doesn't decay. it remains contant.
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On June 05 2013 06:23 Hurndall3 wrote:PT what is your point? just to call me bad townie or are you accusing me of being scum or what? because alignment doesn't decay. it remains contant.
Town credit does.
Baker explained this earlier in the game.
On May 29 2013 18:37 Baker1986 wrote:
Obviously it's notoriously easy to look somewhat townie early on in the game so I'm not saying we exclude him from lynch discussion or anything, but at least this looks like a good start down that road.
You established your innocence early in the game with your casual attitude about a number of things, flippant comments about playing the game, but to me it looks like you are still maintaining that you are having trouble keeping people separated when they aren't major suspects in the game. When you write things like:On June 04 2013 23:48 Hurndall3 wrote:
just because I'm time restricted doesn't mean Im going to ask for.a replacement. I have never and will never request a replacement, so you are stuck with me as shit tier town, I'm sorry.
while I was writing this message I could have been reading filters lol. prob should have been doing that instead. but doing this is easier because it doesn't require thought.
I don't get good feelings about you. Why should we be okay with you taking the most casual/thoughtless path through the game?
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but being mad at me for playing bad and thinking im scum are two totally different things, and it looks like you are trying to combine them
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On June 05 2013 05:44 PTroughton2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 04:47 TomB4 wrote:really sorry guys, I became quite unexpectedly busy. Luckily there actually isn't much to read. HW looks like he is purposely lurking, but one thing I am confused about is this: On June 03 2013 10:24 HartnellWill wrote:
This is what I see in the 14 posts of Eccleston's filter.
1 /in post
4 general earlygame banter posts discussing setup, other people's motives, etc.
1 post consisting of very fluffy DrTennant analysis that doesn't actually do anything and looks intentionally drawn out
1 post defending PT2
1 post redacting the post defending PT2 (note that this isn't scummy per se, but the fact that there's no pressure involved and the speculation doesn't do much to advance the game makes this post scummy in context)
1 post of wat
3 one-liners
1 post instasheeping DrT and redacting the post redacting the post defending PT2. Note the flip flops on possibly the strongest read this guy has had all game
1 post soft defending DrT
##Unvote
##Vote: Eccleston
Back to the lurker den Let's say you're scum, and you're lurking intentionally. Everything in this post aside from the last line is something I'd expect scum to say/do. Summarize a player with as few details as possible and throw a vote, then disappear for a while. What's strange is that he calls attention to his lurking with the last line before he disappears. I can't reconcile that with a scum mindset, it's almost too blatant. Anyone care to weigh in on this? Sure I'm here now, can talk about HW Wrote a bit about him during day: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18795425He made a response to it: Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2013 11:21 HartnellWill wrote:I may have had a shit case but I didn't sheep the fucking medic. Anyways: On June 04 2013 09:11 PTroughton2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 08:17 A McGann wrote:On June 04 2013 06:48 HartnellWill wrote:On June 04 2013 01:58 A McGann wrote:
I cant fault MSmiths analysis of HartnellWill's day 1 actions, as sparse as they are.
I'd feel more confident in the read on HW if Trout would make his alignment more apparent. The entire case hinges on Trout being town. If HW was given the choice of bussing Dr.T, who flipped goon, and Trout, who could be anything, then bussing the goon under suspicion is the obvious choice, making his day 1 vote look much less town.
I'll give him town for now with a caveat of 'Ill come back here later with more information'. Pooping in here quick to say that this is faulty logic. If Trout is town and DrT is scum and both are equal in votes, as a scum I'd rather push the Trout wagon because it's not worth sheeping the scum if there's a 50-50 chance I can convince people to sheep the town instead. Buh bye. You posted 45 minutes after JPertwee claimed medic and felt no inclination to pass judgement on that statement? Surely you must have seen it, it was the very last post before you wrote yours. Right, screw this. Anyone interested in a late switch to HW? Possibly. I haven't got notes on the full game but I swung into his filter to see what he has produced lately and I was semi-shocked it was this: Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 09:51 HartnellWill wrote:
I'm just a lurker who made the right vote at the right time.
But I suppose I should make some sort of scumhunting effort to support my innocence shouldn't I Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 10:24 HartnellWill wrote:
This is what I see in the 14 posts of Eccleston's filter.
1 /in post
4 general earlygame banter posts discussing setup, other people's motives, etc.
1 post consisting of very fluffy DrTennant analysis that doesn't actually do anything and looks intentionally drawn out
1 post defending PT2
1 post redacting the post defending PT2 (note that this isn't scummy per se, but the fact that there's no pressure involved and the speculation doesn't do much to advance the game makes this post scummy in context)
1 post of wat
3 one-liners
1 post instasheeping DrT and redacting the post redacting the post defending PT2. Note the flip flops on possibly the strongest read this guy has had all game
1 post soft defending DrT
##Unvote
##Vote: Eccleston
Back to the lurker den I'm not sure what attitude to attribute to this, but it reads like "meh better stop lurking for a minute" and then return to the status quo. Despite the fact that he is not really concerned about his thread appearance, as far as I can tell he was never truly a discussion topic D1. Show nested quote +On June 01 2013 04:19 HartnellWill wrote:
Holy fuck, this game is hard to play without knowing who anybody is.
Wait why start a wagon in the middle of the day? Not even justifying that DrT is town, just saying that TomB4 also looks scummy so we should lynch him just for the fun of it? I don't like that direction at all. The bolded is concerning. Smurf game = play town as hell or die, right? So he's aware that he can't bank on his name to save him from his activity level. His main contribution is a case on Eccleston which may or not be correct but he's acting like he's allowed to drop cases and disappear from the resulting discussion which is highly suspect. Before that, a weird push on Davison who I haven't pegged yet due to how Davison sticks to his guns on his own cases which essentially sheeped thread sentiment again, much like his first vote on DrT. Huh. Counter-point? -Doesn't care about his thread image whatsoever, perhaps to his own detriment. There's not caring if you look scummy and then there's being scummy looking on top of it with your few contributions. Perhaps he doesn't truly understand the gravity of his activity level?
JP claim: Can't think of a way to verify it, "trust but verify" works for me right now since we don't have a counter-claim. We'll see what happens tonight. I find that when I try my hardest to play town like you claim should be done in a smurf mafia, I pass off as a try-hard scum. Barring a modkill I want Eccleston to be lynched. It wasn't a big solid case but it's the best read I've got this game. I'll stick to that case while he's alive until either he gets lynched or I find a way to compose a really good case on someone even more suspicious looking. The gravity of my activity level doesn't seem to be very high because I'm still alive after two lynches of sparse activity. Which means obviously I'm not the scummiest looking if the fucking medic gets lynched before I do. Couple of salient points here - First paragraph, we get the reason why he's not trying terribly hard in terms of a non-applicable meta argument. This is problematic both because a) his name is not attached to his posts in any way therefore he can play any way he wishes and his potential "prior history of playing tryhard" is not a factor in this, and b) the (perhaps hidden) purpose of a full smurf game is to elevate the level of play. - Second paragraph, here he shows that he's essentially going to be looking at players who are... playing like him. I guess he might want to qualify further what he means by suspicious looking unless it's not activity inclusive, which I can then understand. - Third paragraph, did he really defend his activity by saying that even the medic got lynched before him? He may be upset that the medic was lynched, but it's clear who he blames and it's not himself. He's acting like his behavior is out of his control, i.e. that we would lynch him for looking like try hard scum as opposed to try hard town, and he seems to be playing the victim from the tone of this post. I think he's a good candidate for tomorrow unless he shapes up in a hurry.
-First para I've had that problem since my first game - i.e. when I had no meta. I've seen the power of tactical lurking. The point of smurf is to eliminate meta so I can't compare any of you to anyone I know. That is all the point I see.
-Second para isn't talking about lurkers. Rather, anyone who, like eccleston, does post but posts minimal substance to make it look like he's participating and contributing but he's really not. This is different from me where I rarely contribute but I put substance in the few posts I do submit.
-Third para of course I don't blame myself. Maybe only as an outsider who stood by and did nothing. I didn't vote for him to be lynched.
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The lack of details is because of phone posting. When I come home (in about 4 hours) I'll revise my PBPA on Eccleston and make it more detailed if you wish.
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On June 05 2013 06:50 Hurndall3 wrote:
but being mad at me for playing bad and thinking im scum are two totally different things, and it looks like you are trying to combine them
I'm noting the fact that if I was going to play in the same manner as you, you would totally be my #1 lynch choice right now.
Did you establish yourself as sufficiently town D1? Yes
Does your current behavior lead me to believe that you are invested and interested in scum hunting? No
So the thread potentially gave you town credit too easily for your play style (you were faking us out, quite possible) and you are scum. Or you're deliberately playing against you win-con (given the state of the game, an understandable route to take as either alignment -- mafia = demotivated by loss of teammate D1 -- town = strong town players to sheep means you don't feel the need to pursue your own reads in depth). So you could say that perhaps, yes I am mad that you're playing the way you are, but because of that I am seeing scum motivations against the more plain and simple town motivations and that your method is potentially to survive to end game by being a) unnoticed and therefore not a candidate for night KP so nobody wonders why you are not dead and b) riding out your early town cred which you seem to think is sufficient enough even coming to the end of night 2. What I'm looking for is more reasons why you are not scum, and you aren't providing those reasons with your current play. The lack of motivation due to time or whatever is understandable but it's not going to be a tolerable excuse for long. The lack of effort you are putting forth is not going unnoticed.
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On June 05 2013 06:58 HartnellWill wrote:
The lack of details is because of phone posting. When I come home (in about 4 hours) I'll revise my PBPA on Eccleston and make it more detailed if you wish.
I look forward to it.
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On June 05 2013 06:50 Hurndall3 wrote:
but being mad at me for playing bad and thinking im scum are two totally different things, and it looks like you are trying to combine them
H3 this is spot on.
Reading the diarrhea diatribe from PT2000 made me think of the following:
Fake
Spiteful in tone
Pushing bad town points
Not accusing you outright of being scum
In short. Passive aggressive and Lacking any conviction.
In fact. The way PT2000 manouvered the conversation reminds me of Dr.t in day1 looking to overcompensate what he deemed as "bad play".
Perhaps we should honour the wishes of our marine guard, JP. And seek vengeance on troughton.
PT, do you disagree with the above?
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On June 05 2013 08:13 TheDavison wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 06:50 Hurndall3 wrote:
but being mad at me for playing bad and thinking im scum are two totally different things, and it looks like you are trying to combine them H3 this is spot on. Reading the diarrhea diatribe from PT2000 made me think of the following: Fake Spiteful in tone Pushing bad town points Not accusing you outright of being scum In short. Passive aggressive and Lacking any conviction. In fact. The way PT2000 manouvered the conversation reminds me of Dr.t in day1 looking to overcompensate what he deemed as "bad play". Perhaps we should honour the wishes of our marine guard, JP. And seek vengeance on troughton. PT, do you disagree with the above?
I'm trying to engage HW and tell H3 that I am not as confident as others that he is town, and the way I approach that makes me scum? Thanks, I guess? Maybe HW has a point, try too hard and get lynched.
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There's a distinct difference between try hard and non-genuine.
Your rebuttle is still heavily loaded with a spiteful passive aggressive undertones. Henceforth, you fill the non-genuine category.
Thank you for taking the time to respond regardless.
P.S.
You didn't actually address my points. You avoided them the same way Dr.t avoided smccoy case.
P.p.s.
The way PT2 entered the thread came at a pivotal time.
Dr.t had just been hooked and was trying to wrangle off.
Who comes to the rescue?
PT2 with his roleplay post. "I must save the town"..
Just so we are clear.
When the night is over. If I am around. You have my vote instantly.
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On June 05 2013 08:38 TheDavison wrote:
There's a distinct difference between try hard and non-genuine.
Your rebuttle is still heavily loaded with a spiteful passive aggressive undertones. Henceforth, you fill the non-genuine category.
Thank you for taking the time to respond regardless.
P.S.
You didn't actually address my points. You avoided them the same way Dr.t avoided smccoy case.
P.p.s.
The way PT2 entered the thread came at a pivotal time.
Dr.t had just been hooked and was trying to wrangle off.
Who comes to the rescue?
PT2 with his roleplay post. "I must save the town"..
Just so we are clear.
When the night is over. If I am around. You have my vote instantly.
I get that you think I'm scum, you seem to hard it hard coded in you by this point. What I don't get is why the way I word things makes me scum. Your point about the original PT2 makes sense in the mindset that he is scum together with DrT but saying that I talk funny is simply insufficient evidence that I am scum. You are operating from the sole viewpoint of your mental narrative that I am mafia and attributing the natural way I type as a scum tell when it should be null. You might get further with your point if you read posts that divert from the norm rather than accusing the norm of being scummy. Furthermore, you are well within your right to want to vote for this slot based on how the predecessor acted in his brief foray into the game, but I urge you to consider both possible sides of the slot even as you continue to tunnel in on the original fact that PT2 was useless as all hell.
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On June 05 2013 08:58 PTroughton2 wrote:
You might get further with your point if you read posts that divert from the norm rather than accusing the norm of being scummy.
But look at his sig!
The illusion is always one of normality.
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If I die tonight, please read my filter. But take care that my reads tend to get worse as the game progresses. My town reads are usually better than my scum reads.
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pT2000. You did it again.
The diatribe laced with passive aggressive innuendo.
If only I wasn't phone posting, then I could serve true justice to this discussion.
Mr trough ton, I have indeed considered both sides of the slots. In fact, OK find your behaviour in general indicative of scum.. And it was that behaviour that inspired me reread the original pt2 actions.
Thank you for agreeing they contain sinister vibes.
Best of luck day3.
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Day 3
Lynch is in 48 hours.
MSmith1 has been murdered
+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to Smurf Mini Maifa I! You are a Facility Technician John Ericsson is your name, and you are in charge of Comms, most of the time that means you send the mail and get to sit at your desk reading, occassionally you get to send coded transmissions that indicate that nothing is happening, as usual. Of course now that you *need* to get a message out, your equipment has been sabotaged and the secondary comm is offline until the lockdown is over. This does not bode well for your performance review. Assumign your survive that is. Find the aliens, redeem yourself, and hopefully get to keep your job.
Good Luck.
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gg all.
Bring it home town!
obs please
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Gg msmith
U played great
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Brb with a more detailed case.
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Eccleston and ptroughton are my two leads.
So I'm comfdoetable with that Hartnell.
I don't like how dr,.t handled the eccleston situation day1
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