Newbie Mini Mafia XLII

On June 06 2013 13:12 Xzavier wrote:
I was at first to. but the more he posts the less pro-town he gets. he could b the fucking SK for all i know.

On June 06 2013 13:23 iVLosK! wrote:
fferyllt and Onegu. You guys are saying you think Im scum but your votes aren't on me. I don't like that shit, throw 'em on.

On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:


Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me?

In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts?

On June 07 2013 02:48 Umasi wrote:

If I were scum, why would I stay on this train of thought longer than I needed to? It's obviously only drawn attention to myself and basically confirmed iV as town to everyone else. Why is it scummy to stick on it like that?
And I conform to the majority because if everyone else thinks something about the situation, and I'm here thinking something different, but enough people disagree that they can't all be mafia, I realize that I'm probably mistaken and should reevaluate the situation!
Would you prefer I keep tunneling him? Even when it's blatantly counterproductive at that point?

On June 07 2013 02:58 fferyllt wrote:

When you made this post, what made you think it was apparent that iV was town?

On June 07 2013 14:49 Umasi wrote:
I'm going to bed, good night.
Everyone look into Gotard who hasn't, form your own opinion of him, or happily sheep xzav
But no seriously, form your own opinion on him

On June 07 2013 15:14 fferyllt wrote:

I've read through the latest posts, and am now coming back to reply to stuff.

I disagree on Umasi. He's looking so paranoid he almost has to be town. Also, he's not avoiding suspicions - he wants them on the table so he can deal with them and figure out what he's doing wrong.

There is a player who hasn't looked paranoid at all, though. And that in a newb sets off a few alarms.

I'd like to know if you think someone fits that description or if I'm making mountains from molehills.

On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL.



Leaning slightly on town. Sure, he is somewhat abrasive but he was actively driving discussion. Definitely not a top lynch candidate for me right now.



I was thinking of pushing you a bit after this, because when you posted this you hadn't stated any real opinions of your own besides sucking up to Xzavier, however your later posts are better so I'm okay with it for now.



This I don't like at all. Looks a lot like trying to fish for an opinion to sheep on when you don't state who you actually suspect, and that I find rather scummy.

On June 07 2013 21:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:


So scummy. Makes excuses for his absence, then promises more analysis that never came and simply sheeps other's opinion. Vote is staying on him.

On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:

The person I am thinking about is Yavannah.

Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads.

On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads.

What do you think?

On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:

Are you saying that I'm doing this?

On June 07 2013 23:05 fferyllt wrote:

I am way more likely to vote firere today than Gotard.

On June 08 2013 00:17 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm actually fine with a Firere lynch today too, like what SD said before, that last post is just a rehash of things that have already been said, and the quoting of those pro-town posts had no purpose, other than to make it look like he is contributing.

[quote="Onegu"]I also dont like how skan has jumped votes multiple times, at least iV has given strong reasons.

On June 08 2013 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote:
Is this the strong reasoning that you were speaking about?

On June 08 2013 00:28 Skanjab1s wrote:
Uhh my reasons for what?

On June 08 2013 00:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
Because that is how I play?

On June 08 2013 02:05 iVLosK! wrote:

EVeryone conforms to votes unless you're the very first person to vote for a player. In a game of 13 people a majority vote might be 7 players. Does that mean 6 players are scummy for following what that guy said?

I've been fairly active and outspoken in saying that all of the people I've jumped to and from are on my scumdar.

See below,

The fact that I'm jumping between 3 people who I said I wanted to lynch based on new posts coming from each of them isn't really all that surprising.

On June 08 2013 03:41 fferyllt wrote:
knock yourself out. Skanjab gave a good enough short answer.

On June 08 2013 13:10 Xzavier wrote:
I also think gotard may not be scum even more now, because i feel like firere was pushing for a mislynch. Like trying to fuel the fire after it was already dying down?

anybody else get that vibe?

On June 08 2013 15:41 iVLosK! wrote:

Explain why you made your vote useless today by voting for someone who was never in a million years going to be lynched and failing to even try to convince others to join you.

A vote is a terrible thing to waste, Toss.

On June 06 2013 13:11 Umasi wrote:

First of all, thanks for saying something other than brofists as a response.
Second, your second underline: I'll make this clear.
Scum want to sow confusion and get emotional. I think brofists is an emotional term. Scum want to sow confusion, and you did not do something to figure things out, you, as I said, "poked the fire". Don't try to say that's not what scum want to do, that's the entire POINT of what scum wants to do. I'm not sure you're scum, but I think you've a better chance of flipping scum than anyone else here at this point.

And I still think you were trying to excuse yourself for future scumminess, which I dislike.

On June 06 2013 15:28 Umasi wrote:
I'll operate under the assumption that you're town, because everyone else thinks so, and it seems like more will get done this way.
oh, and before you poke fun at me for pulling off of you, let me offer this preemptive rebuttal (see the irony?)
shut up and stop using stupid wordplay. fun as it is for you, it may be confusing for other people (specifically me) and that's bad.

##UNVOTE iVLosK!

On June 07 2013 05:48 Umasi wrote:


I will address the blue part at the end.
I agree with you, that scum would benefit from a shitfest, which is what annoyed me the entire time. It felt like he was taking a standoffish /come at me stance, and I felt this could be scum motivated, to start a shitfest, and he was confident he would come out of it on top, so I pursued the avenue of "this guy probably is scum", because he wants me to start a shitfest.
Which I unfortunately did, but i don't think it actually messed up the thread too much, I think it made it possible for the thread to get GOING, since before that, it was just talk about lynching lurkers, which I didn't see the point in.
The entire blue thing was me addressing all possibilities, and I was led to think he was scummy based on his responses, but I wouldn't have discounted the possibility of him being blue from that line, because it's equally telling either way. But I'm not going to straight up say "you are blue, PUNK" because that's STUPID, that doesn't generate discussion, that just turns people around to say ".....so?" and then he doesn't claim because that'd be an awful idea and we're nowhere.

On June 08 2013 00:02 Umasi wrote:
Spicy, I agree that Firerer looks suspicious, because he hasn't posted anything of worth yet, but I think it's okay to give him a bit of time to come contribute. I don't want to be distracted from a Gotard lynch today unless someone posts a super rock solid defense of him.
But if Firere hasn't posted anything of worth by the next lynch period, I'll happily consider him.

On June 08 2013 10:20 Umasi wrote:
Firere dying with his vote on Gotard makes me quite a bit less sure about Gotard, since it was close enough he was probably hoping for him to be lynched instead of himself.
And by quite a bit less sure I mean a huge amount less sure, although Gotard is still scummy imo t.t

On June 08 2013 20:47 Gotard wrote:
I'm alive! Good job guys! And now it's time to find another scum.
I agree with fferyllt. LoneMeow's filter looks suspicious.



If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting..



And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4))



Main suspects right now: Skanjab1s and LoneMeow.

On June 08 2013 20:52 Gotard wrote:


I think he had to vote on me doesn't matter if i'm town or not. Not voting on me would be even more suspicious it was his last chance to stay alive.

On June 08 2013 21:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Gotard likes bunnies too.

Pressure isn't a bad thing Gotard.

On June 09 2013 04:01 Umasi wrote:
I'm back. I derped and didn't see gotard on firere, or at least it didn't register, so I'd accept that he's not scum, but I think the case on him pre-flip was rock solid by xzav. That entire part is why I think he is/was scummy, we talked about it for quite a while.
That said, I'll look at lone meow and see what I think about him since he's the center of discussion.

On June 09 2013 18:30 fferyllt wrote:
I hate it when people try to read alignment into mod actions.

On June 09 2013 23:02 iVLosK! wrote:
This place is dead whenever I can be on. And makes 8 new pages while I'm at work.

On June 10 2013 00:27 fferyllt wrote:

What would you expect to find out of place in a townie's filter?

On June 10 2013 01:33 fferyllt wrote:

What sort of thing would you look for in a post to indicate a player might be PR?

On June 10 2013 01:43 fferyllt wrote:
See, I did see something in his posts when I filtered him that in retrospect gave off that vibe. I think I would have picked up on it as scum.

On June 09 2013 07:34 StiMaDDict wrote:
Since the deadline is very close I will make this request short and clear.

LoneMeow is a mafia. Kill him tonight if you are Vigilante.

We have a solid case against him and his interaction with Firere345 (proven scum) further indicate that he is up to no good. I'm not sure whether he is afk or something but he is not even defending himself even though he is in a tight spot. Also he only made these two posts which in my opinion is contentless and weak.

On June 10 2013 09:54 iVLosK! wrote:
THE + Show Spoiler + MASON CHAT, + Show Spoiler + ABRIDGED:


Blue= iVLosK!
= Skanjab
Underlined== Hosts
#x: Post number
+ Show Spoiler +

[green]VAAAAAAAAAANS GOT FAAAAAAAANS

On June 10 2013 13:32 fferyllt wrote:
The title says "ABRIDGED" which usually means parts were left out.

On June 10 2013 13:29 Onegu wrote:


#25.

#26.

#28.

#31.

#31 was the final message of the log.

On June 10 2013 13:55 iVLosK! wrote:

You caught me. It was edited. I wasn't going to tell you guys but then Onegu asked and my secret weakness is that I have to answer every question truthfully.



If it was edited, do you think I would tell you??? What kind of gotcha question is this?

On June 10 2013 14:30 iVLosK! wrote:
No, that's a serious question. What the fuck were you hoping to accomplish with that question?

On June 10 2013 16:03 LoneMeow wrote:
This level of activity (or rather the lack of it) is really bad. We've managed ~5 pages in half of day 2 compared to 30+ pages in day 1.

Onegu, are you around? Do you want to explain your suspicion on Yavanna a bit more? I'm somewhat suspicious of her too, but her last post gives me a strong contradictory read:



This happens right as the Gotard wagon starts, I don't think scum would be ready to lynch one of their own that early, especially since Firere345 wasn't really under heavy suspicion at that point and Gotard would've been an easy target.

On June 10 2013 16:08 LoneMeow wrote:
Also StiMaDDict needs to do more than just tunnel me, otherwise he's going to be a huge problem if/when I get mislynched. Who's your second best scum read? What about best town read?

On June 10 2013 09:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:


My D2 reads so far aren't as strong as my D1 ones were. As of right now there's noone I feel strongly about to put my vote on... yet. I do think there were at least 2 scum on Gotard last vote given one of their buddies was on the line. As for the candidates....

LoneMeow for reasons already stated, but also because I really really really hate when people write this... it feels so scummy and reminds me of Firere's excuses.


Yavanna is also close to the top but for a different reasons that I'm not sure I can post.

Umasi is troubling as well. He has no reads D2 except for commenting a little bit on Lone. I also brought up Umasi's interaction with firere in a previous post, but it basically came down to Umasi giving firere a pass while admitting he had 0 content.

Going to do some more filter diving so hopefully something pops up.

On June 10 2013 21:41 iVLosK! wrote:

But you're missing my point. If I had edited it, then I'm clearly scum covering something up, AND I WOULDN'T TELL YOU. So why even ask the question?

If I did edit it: The answer to the question would be no.
If I didnt: The answer would still be no.

So what could you have possibly hoped to gain?

On June 10 2013 22:01 LoneMeow wrote:
We really need more activity here or scum will get an easy win. So let's talk about lynches. Who are your top reads right now, iVLosK!?

On June 11 2013 01:46 Umasi wrote:

Xzav, it's been about twenty four hours, and this activity level is drastically different from what it was previously. You have scum reads on Meow and me, but why? I don't like how drastic of an activity shift this is over what you were previously showing, and I think it's you skating by. Normally, I'd want to give you a bit of time to post/figure shit out/whatever, but the last time I said that, the person was promptly lynched and flipped scum.

I also am extremely annoyed that Gotard is -basically- confirmed town to me because of vote analysis, when Xzav was the one who really convinced me he was scum. (Gotard is also kinda more townie since the flip, by virtue of his posting)

I think he's scummy, mainly because of his insubstantial posts since the lynch, but I'm not sure if I want to vote him or the kitty. I am going to go reread Lonemeows filter after mowing lawns, and will post my thoughts and my vote choice then.

On June 11 2013 11:51 fferyllt wrote:
Yavanna's posts about Umasi

Questions Umasi for calling iV emotional. Sort of a pot/kettle call out.



Then compliments him for "manning up"





And this, building on some comments I made about Umasi.




She's down with lynching Umasi or Firere.

Umasi is almost certainly town. I can't see newb scum trying to set up a second bus with Firere already under fire.

We had two town-wagons today. :/

On June 11 2013 12:24 Xzavier wrote:
I know im town, but if you guys want to put investigative roles on me to check, go ahead. but id rather have them searching for scum over "clearing a townie"

you said yourself were here to hunt scum right now.

And yes im town. I had an inactive day yesterday. that probably wont happen again for the rest of this game.

Onagu and Stimaddict are my prime two suspects, those are who we probably should devote our resources too, unless somebdoy has a better idea? (if so share)

On June 11 2013 13:02 fferyllt wrote:


Who are your priorities?

On June 11 2013 12:54 Onegu wrote:


Except many people have put scum reads on you. Also anyone getting rolechecked and has a town alignment is confirmed town at this point because the godfather is dead.

On June 11 2013 23:00 iVLosK! wrote:
Why ask me about Xzavier and Stimm when my thought on them are already on this exact page?

On June 12 2013 03:14 fferyllt wrote:


Lonemeow picked up on it. Onegu agreed.

Followed with this:



I give my explanation, and he drops the scum-tell aspect and reacts to my concerns about Yavanna



In the next exchange, I opened the door and invited him to go after me. He didn't.



He later said he was leaning town on me because I voted Firere rather than sheeping (I think he meant that Gotard looked like a more likely lynch based on thread sentiment at the time).

This isn't really conclusive. I think my body of work at that point was pretty townish, and one post setting off an alarm probably didn't weigh nearly as much.

On June 08 2013 02:05 Xzavier wrote:
im okay with lynching either one of them today. Firere or gotard.

i have work from 2-8 today (i leave 30 min from now) so im not gonna b able to make lengthy posts, i can explain the reasoning for my vote (if i do switch it)

but right now if gotard isnt mafia, he needs to grow a pair. He made his first constructive post, then didnt even vote for the most scummy person on his list? or one of the current possible bandwagons. Thats weird to me.

but since he has appeared like hes slowly but surely posting more (however scumlike it is) it means we can kill him later if need be on even stronger evidence.

yavannah is newbie as fuck. probably harmless town. wouldnt hurt for her to post more.

iV is troll-town(probably VT)

spicey dinosoar is somebody i was suspicious of for a good amount, but idk. not much he has said makes me think scum.
and what he says makes logical sense, thats more than i can say about half of this thread T.T

skanjab isnt on any of my lists, he puts thought into his actions, and i think there are much better people to lynch right now. and i havnt actually looked at his filter yet.

Fuck me. sry gotard. i feel bad about this. you woke up at 5 am to respond to me##unvote##vote gotardthe claim on firere is weak. im going with my gut and my case.I really want to look into lonemeow tomorrow

I dont think either case is ironclad. but i think mine agsinst gotard is much stronger than firere.

On June 12 2013 10:00 fferyllt wrote:


I dunno.

My gut says mass claim, but that's because I want to get to the bottom of this missing kill and see if we can ferret out scum with it.

On June 12 2013 10:24 Umasi wrote:
why would we have any reason to think there is a serial killer?
"what if"
"what if"
literally zero evidence supports it. There may very well just NOT BE A SERIAL KILLER.
Fuck, if no one claims, the only thing we can be sure of is a masoner (because he flipped) and a cop (because there was a godfather)
Worrying about the SK at this point is entirely irrelevant. We can worry about it once we see two kills and no vigilante claim

On June 11 2013 11:14 iVLosK! wrote:
There may not even be a final scum.

2 scum, 1 SK is a perfectly reasonable setup for a 13 player game.

Unfortunately, Yavanna's flip tells us diddly shit because she was gone all game.

On June 12 2013 10:52 Spicydinosaur wrote:
You are completely missing everything. Your rant is not justified.





This was directed at my jail keeper comment. Not my SK comment as you can see by my response



This really didn't need to be spelled out Umasi it was pretty clear.

On June 12 2013 11:11 iVLosK! wrote:
Oh shit that was probably the jail, lol.

Somebody tried to shoot me and I was jailed. Thanks, Jailer. You're a peach.

On June 12 2013 11:10 iVLosK! wrote:
I've been notified that I was roleblocked last night.

If you're town and you roleblocked me I will personally shove my foot so far down your throat that a team of the best surgeons in the nation have to work around the clock to remove my work boot from your small intestine.

On June 12 2013 11:33 iVLosK! wrote:
Just so we can get this off the table and go back to looking for scum/SK.

If I lied about being jailed, then where the fuck is the shot?

If no one counters my jail claim then it is confirmed.

/end.

On June 12 2013 12:01 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Well I brought up Stim but no one noticed

On June 12 2013 12:07 Spicydinosaur wrote:


But do think his actions were scum... that was my question. Tunneling one person and barely posting doesnt sound like a long term scum strategy to me.

On June 12 2013 12:27 fferyllt wrote:


Agree? Disagree? Don't care? I'd like to see some PoE up in this thread.

On June 11 2013 05:07 Umasi wrote:
I haven't seen them, and have decided to ignore them.
Here's a defense, I guess?

I am going to get lynched this game. It is a fucking inevitability. I've played SUPER SCUMMY according to the thread, so at this point, I'm going to stop all semblance of trying to clear myself of suspicions. If that takes away from my points, so be it, but if I was trying to live, I wouldn't go and do some kind of fucking vote analysis like that, because that paints me in an incredibly unfavorable light (in case you haven't noticed).
Like, saying that out of the four people on Gotard, two were, even possibly THREE, were scum, and I'm one of them?

That's fucking suicidal.
The reason it doesn't clear me is you could wifom yourself into thinking that a scum would do some kind of crazy clever misdirection, but if he wants to continue thinking I'm scum and soft push me, feel the fuck free. After I die and flip town, you will happily look over to the votes and be like "huh does that have merit?"
So think LONG and HARD before you lynch me, then do it, because I'm scummy as shit!
At this point, I don't think I'm going to play by what town SHOULD play by and I'm going to play however I damn well please because otherwise I'll go fucking insane trying to not get lynched while simultaneously pointing out scum because I've played like scum the entire game.
yes. I am a little frustrated. just a teeeeensy bit annoyed, but it's mainly my own fault for playing scummy.
Not even rereading this post. Screw it.

Yeah, it was addressed at me ffer.Anyway, I'm thinking along these lines, I stated them a few pages back, but I'll restate it.If we discount the possibility of a bus day one, which I think we can, with how close the votes were, it means that Yavanna (because no vote, /afk), Me, Lonemeow, and Firere, and Xzav could be scum.Firere was scum! two left.I'm going to take the liberty of considering myself town (woaaaah /everyone flips a bitch)that leaves Yavanna, Lone, and Xzav as possible scummersI think that xzav is town! i have since pretty early on, early in D2 he shook my confidence, but has come back and made me happy. This would mean Lone and Yav are the scumteam. remaining scum team, anyway.If yav is still afk, what is lone going to do, single handedly redirect his entire wagon onto me?....well he could....but he hasn't even made the effort to, imo.or maybe he HAS made the effort, and is incredibly bad at it. He's not the one slamming the nail in the coffin, I am.I think the reason the thread has a low level of activity is the scum is pretty much boned! That's what I'm thinking.I'm pretty sure the cat/yavanna are the scum team. If lonemeow flips town, I'll be extremely surprised and confused, and then will do my best to move on and reevaluate. But Lonemeow NOT being scum means either two things: Xzav IS, or the scum team bussed super early on.in a 4 v 5 vote.I don't see this happening.It may also go partway to explaining why Yavanna was not immediately modkilled.Naturally, the entire theory hinges on two things! A, the lack of a bus, which I talked about, and B, both me and xzav being town.You guys have no fucking idea if either of us are town, but I'm pretty confident Xzav is, and you should probably think I am too, because I don't think people think I'm scum for a good reason anymore, just by virtue of me being a scummy

On June 13 2013 10:21 Umasi wrote:
And the reason I'm not currently voting xzav is, despite the day one bus situation, which I still don't think scum did, I REALLY don't want to vote xzav.
he's been my towniest read since the beginning of the game, and will flip an absolute bitch if he is scum.
The entire /scum nailing in the coffin is basically what I spent time day 2 trying to explain, and is why I lynched lonemeow, because I thought he was scummier than xzav or yav.
Yav flipped, and I really REALLY don't want to lynch xzav.
I agree with what iV said though

And since I know I'm town, that leaves xzav.
I really, REALLY, do not want to do this, but my thoughts that scum did not bus day one, or even not vote gotard, are overpowering my townread of xzav.
If xzav flips town, then I'd reread through Onegu>stimm. Atm I'd think onegu, but that's because he's done nothing but noncommitally push me and contribute thoughts, but he never tries to get me LYNCHED. he just votes me. I don't know what to think of that.

##VOTE XZAVIER

As much as I don't want to lynch xzav....I don't see why the scum team would not just hammer in the mislynch and save firere.

On June 13 2013 10:34 Umasi wrote:
okay onegu, I will try to explain why. This is literally the best I can do, to tell you why I'm town
I'm not responding to your posts, I'm responding to...I don't know what I'm responding to.
But rationalize this question:
two things, actually:


A: If I am scum, why have I drawn so much attention to myself, and

B: Why have I not been lynched yet.

What about me is towny enough that people are not voting me?

On June 13 2013 10:45 Xzavier wrote:


okay got it.

So its jailer/medic.

But if the jailer comes out and says i held this person on the night with the no-kill, and then we lynch that person we win.

So even if he died there would be enough information to win the game. Mabye, i dont know.

Im fine with how things are right now. And Umasi is highest on my list at the moment.

Spicey what do you think of iV right now?
I brought up the idea of how everybody who voted for Firere345 is town, and he shot it down at the time.
and now all of the sudden he brings it back up again as his list of people to lynch in order to end the game.
No sudden realization or reasoning, just two contradicting statements from the same person.

On June 13 2013 11:02 Xzavier wrote:


But couldnt in the same way, iVlosk claim to be jailed (but is really scum) and have that be the explination of why there was no kill. so he claims the KP was on him instead of him being unable to preform the kill??

This is why i think its a better idea, in other words. if the jailer comes out and says he held somebody else, do it and we win? or could it be that he is mindfucking gaming us and he didnt even put forth a KP at all? im not saying hes the scum, but im saying that he could have been roleblocked himself and claim that it saved him, instead of preventing him from shooting. Idk, this is my thoughts. Im not accusing him, but just making a statement that we cant take his claim to be 100% townie hes town all up in this town.

make sense?

of course, the above is almost certainly not applicable. as the jailer should have already come out and explained it, and then we kill him and win. (otherwise he is making this claim for bullshits and impeding the search for scum, which makes no sense)

On June 13 2013 10:04 Xzavier wrote:


So right not were thinking Umasi, and i think thats the smart lynch for today. It makes the town far more effective. and he has taken a massive shift in gameplay, going form logical and reasonable to panicking.

Also depending on the flips, we should mass claim day3. just a thought, you can tell me its bad and explain why its bad, but i think we can end the game on the day3 lynch. (if it doesnt end today)

thoughts?

okay got it.So its jailer/medic.But if the jailer comes out and says i held this person on the night with the no-kill, and then we lynch that person we win.So even if he died there would be enough information to win the game. Mabye, i dont know. Im fine with how things are right now. And Umasi is highest on my list at the moment. Spicey what do you think of iV right now?I brought up the idea of how everybody who voted for Firere345 is town, and he shot it down at the time.and now all of the sudden he brings it back up again as his list of people to lynch in order to end the game. No sudden realization or reasoning, just two contradicting statements from the same person.

On June 13 2013 10:04 Xzavier wrote:


So right not were thinking Umasi, and i think thats the smart lynch for today. It makes the town far more effective. and he has taken a massive shift in gameplay, going form logical and reasonable to panicking.

Also depending on the flips, we should mass claim day3. just a thought, you can tell me its bad and explain why its bad, but i think we can end the game on the day3 lynch. (if it doesnt end today)

thoughts?

okay got it.So its jailer/medic.But if the jailer comes out and says i held this person on the night with the no-kill, and then we lynch that person we win.So even if he died there would be enough information to win the game. Mabye, i dont know. Im fine with how things are right now. And Umasi is highest on my list at the moment. Spicey what do you think of iV right now?I brought up the idea of how everybody who voted for Firere345 is town, and he shot it down at the time.and now all of the sudden he brings it back up again as his list of people to lynch in order to end the game. No sudden realization or reasoning, just two contradicting statements from the same person.

and some high ungodly wisdom that we are allowed to communicate during noob games had a discussion on mass claims with me, and i realize that its generally not beneficial in this format. So it would only be smart to come out if you KNOW your action stopped the night kill i believe, or if your a cop who just checked a scum(or miller, but then we can determine if its miller/scum)

filteri believe i explicilitely asked people if what i was saying was a good or bad idea!!this is my first game of forum mafia, im new to like fucking 15 different roles and still only have minimal understands of how they interact with the game, i wasnt pushing for him to come out, i was asking for other peoples ideas. go back and reread my post again, i wasnt calling for him to come out, or even pushing. i was thinking outloud. and now im very worried about you as well.

On June 14 2013 00:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm deciding between Onegu and Xzavier.

Onegu for his D1 brush off of criticism of firere/yavanna still bothers me.

Xzavier for his last second switch back to Gotard.

On June 14 2013 02:39 Xzavier wrote:
no. it does not Onegu. because somebody has to "carry out the kill"

On June 14 2013 03:34 Umasi wrote:
(and yeah, it says explicitly in the OP that the person who carried out the nightkill can be jailed to end the kill, just go fucking read it. the op isn't going to lie to us t.t)

On June 14 2013 04:24 iVLosK! wrote:
Hey Jailer, jail me again tonight.

If there's something out there with KP, they'll have to take a shot sometime if they want to win. Til then, we can play the No-night-kill-game.

On June 14 2013 04:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:
## VOTE Onegu

Going with what I got the best feeling on.

On June 14 2013 05:43 Umasi wrote:


I basically agree with this.
Voting xzav was unintuitive, but I think I explained my reasoning for that.

Onegu has been an incredible non-factor throughout the game, keeping his vote on me and saying "I think he's scum", but never really pushed it. And then suddenly he just swaps his suspicions to xzav.
What cleared me in your mind, Onegu?

On June 14 2013 05:44 Umasi wrote:


Why are you voting for Onegu then?
I don't mind contradictions, but the line "no matter what todays vote is I believe iV is scum" is contradictory, and I think you're getting a bit confused.

On June 14 2013 05:59 Umasi wrote:
At this point, I think xzav is overwhelming townie enough, in my opinion, to make me think that scum bussed/spread votes day one, and just because you've been claiming I'm scum, you never actually try to convince people. You just respond with what you think your biggest scumread was (me) when people ask, but you never try to get me LYNCHED.
You just VOTED on me.
The other two votes on me day two weren't the product of your accusations or convincing talk. iV was being iV and doing whatever the fuck he wanted to do, and Lonemeow was, I think, trying to stay alive, and I was definitely the easiest target.

On June 14 2013 06:03 Umasi wrote:


Can you get in here and say something Gotard?
Christ.
I recognize time might be short, but try to make time.


I asked Xzav, not you.



No one has really made a case on you Onegu, you're just objectively pretty scummy to the people voting on you.
Is everybody voting you scum because they haven't made a case on you?
Why is xzav voting you to stay alive any different? I'm not sure what the vote count is, but he's in pretty good shape, vote wise. He doesn't need to make a desperation vote.

On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:



Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum.

Why make this statement, why say the whole sheep thing. Very mafia for people to sheep. Form your own opinions people dont sheep.## VOTE Umasi

Ok this is the first thimg he tells us emotion is scum the procedes to make more confuseing post and get more and more invested in his posts, but even after all of this for a long time and people call him on it he just drops it.Sorry im on a tab and cannot figure out how to quote multiple things I am going to do it in multiple posts.

Scum would benifit from a shitface and you just kept going on. And the blue thing you dont really answer it and I dont see the connection between being blue and being scum. How would someones responses peg them as blue I dont understand this point. And you say Im not going to straight up say you are blue punk but that is almost exactly what you did.

His first defense of firere even though he has said firere was a town feel in his earlier posts.

Why do you think gotard is still scummy? I would like to hear this please. I get the feel of newb town not scum and with fireres vote on him makes me feel even stronger in that opinion.

Why do you cortadict yourself here, you accept he isnt scum but the case against him was rock solid?

A couple of things after this I feel more scum on umasi as they bring up good points. Xzav shouldnt be confirmed town at this point. You guys didnt have any thoughts on lonemeow? Could this be edited looks like that would takemsome time to do and I dont think it was at this point but want to ask the question anyway.

I dont see how this clears umasi, yavannas posts could just be looking at who were the most likely people to be lynch at the time. This was so early before votes came in it doesnt mean much imo. Looking at his votes he has voted one dead townie and most likely another in gotard. His posts get more and more scummy also. And his defense is Im going to play how I want not giving much defense at all.

On June 14 2013 06:14 Umasi wrote:


This is the only thing you've actually said about me, and this is day three, where you have promptly switched to focusing xzav.
You have a total of four posts that are three lines or longer that aren't fluff, Onegu.
I'm not seeing much effort to contribute, at ALL.


Here, I'll address all four of your points after the second paragraph:
1. yeah, by that logic,xzav would be scum, which is why I voted him for a bit. I'm discarding that logic in favor of you and iV.

2. You don't even accuse me of being scum, you're just like "he's not reading"

3. calling my SK rant null is not a case, that's saying it's null.

4. I've asked you to tell me concisely what you want answered, compared to being like "it's somewhere"

I don't even know why I'm talking about this.


Onegu, go reread xzav, and find reasons to call him scum, CONVINCINGLY, that are not about the jailkeeper post. The reason his jailkeeper post is not relevant is because, if I remember correctly, HE WASN'T EVEN JAILED.

I tried to do so, realized it was futile, and decided that in spite of the bus situation, I swapped off of him!

On June 14 2013 06:31 Onegu wrote:



Ok his vote history, his interaction with yavanna and firere (which doesnt matter to much), his lurking and small activity after night 1.

On June 14 2013 07:05 fferyllt wrote:
I am waiting for an answer to my question to iV.

On June 14 2013 07:08 Umasi wrote:
he hasn't been lurking, he has been around.
Pay some attention.
His interaction with yavanna, as ffer pointed out, can be attributed to just misplay/inexperience, and your vote history is as scummy as his, since by voting him you admit that I'm town.

Why are you ignoring all the stuff that says he's town?
Look at his post history and compare it to your own, who has had more positive of an effect upon town? I'll give you a hint, it's certainly not you.
You haven't had much of an effect upon town at all.

On June 14 2013 07:36 StiMaDDict wrote:
##Vote: StiMaDDict
After LoneMeow's mislynch (by me), I was both busy irl and afraid to take part in the game. It's all bit too much for me to follow.
Just want to pull out of the game at this point.

On June 14 2013 07:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:


I'll repost what I posted earlier

On June 14 2013 07:42 Onegu wrote:


So you are going off day one interactions with people who barely posted, so after this you think I bussed firere and yavanna as I also made a case on her night one...

On June 14 2013 07:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:


u didnt buss firere, your vote was never on him. Yavanna was afk 1/2 way through D1. Scum would know she wasnt around anymore and it would make sense to make a case on her then in the event of a mod kill.

On June 14 2013 07:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:


the vote was 5-4 in favor of lynching firere. if you switched it would have been 5-5 and firere would still die due to tie-breaker.

On June 14 2013 08:03 Umasi wrote:

That's not even an excuse, there's no reason to not wait for the modkill if you wanted to be out of the game
Also, why are you responding? You wanted to be lynched didn't you?
Why are you defending yourself? You want to attract the lynch, if you want to be out of the game.
You elected to vote yourself, so don't resist the lynch.

On June 14 2013 08:26 fferyllt wrote:
I hate this.

I really hate what is essentially a policy vote on day 3.

On June 14 2013 08:36 Umasi wrote:
ffer, why is he not scum. Why is the case against onegu better than the new case against stimm?

On June 14 2013 08:51 fferyllt wrote:


Survivalistic behavior in town is not terribad play but it does ring an alarm or two given the numbers.If you know you are town then you know your lynch is a mislynch, and some other lynch, especially of a questionable player is more likely to hit scum than lynching you.

That's where the suvivalistic stuff comes in.

I think you are both equally likely to get mislynched tomorrow as today unless something changes in the gamestate between today and day 4.

On June 14 2013 09:05 fferyllt wrote:
Thanks Umasi.

On June 14 2013 09:24 iVLosK! wrote:

So I'm so totally confirmed scum... Yet you're not voting for me. GOTCHA, BOSS!

On June 14 2013 09:39 iVLosK! wrote:


Null. I would much rather lynch Xzavier as he is playing like absolute garbage and acting like he's not. Stim doing what he's doing is a death sentence either way, so there's no scum or town motivation for it. Null.


Enough to get a feel for what's noob and what's not. The place where I come from had noob games that were like 75% noob, 25% vets to give a good example that I always played in.

On June 14 2013 09:44 iVLosK! wrote:
Stim is the least likely to flip scum out of all of these, imo. Fucking kill Xzavier.

One person on the mafia team may carry out the kill each night. The mafia can choose not to kill. The mafia can kill each other. If the mafia member chosen to kill on a particular night is jailed, the kill is blocked. A mafia member may use his ability and kill in the same night.

On June 15 2013 10:17 iVLosK! wrote:
Damn kids. Anyone want to explain what makes Onegu more scum to you then say, Umasi?

On June 15 2013 10:27 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Onegu seems more clam and calculating then Umasi. Umasi has gone off the rails recently doing some pretty stupid things. I think at this point scum would play the game very carefully and not be overly boisterous.

On June 15 2013 11:43 fferyllt wrote:

No. Staying calm under no pressure is not a big deal. Staying unemotional and calculated while under a lot of pressure is different. You were under a fair bit of pressure yesterday, culminating with a literally last minute vote switch to save yourself.

And your demeanor under vote pressure is a stark contrast to players like Xzav and Umasi.

That isn't scummy in and of itself. But it usually comes with game experience.

On June 15 2013 11:41 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Stim hasn't been wanting to play for the past few days.... and there have been no night kills...too easy of a connection? Or has the jailer been pro the last 2 nights with either saves/roleblocks?

On June 15 2013 13:04 fferyllt wrote:


wow.

On June 15 2013 13:22 fferyllt wrote:
didn't occur to me that it was a joke, no. mafia is srs bsns.

On June 15 2013 16:42 Gotard wrote:
##Vote Onegu Still may change to Umasi.

On June 15 2013 09:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Scum would be more calculated at this point. If i die, kill onegu first and if that doesnt work then umasi

On June 15 2013 21:31 Gotard wrote:
To be honest if there is only 3 mafia members and 1st was dead after first day and 2nd didn't even play besides first few hours, the last mafia guy can do whatever he wants. He could play like he's town even before 1st day ended. That's why I think it might be nice to vote on people that didn't vote on Firere and then voted on LoneMeow and Xzavier.

On June 15 2013 22:10 Gotard wrote:
because you look less scummy than him

On June 15 2013 21:31 Gotard wrote:
To be honest if there is only 3 mafia members and 1st was dead after first day and 2nd didn't even play besides first few hours, the last mafia guy can do whatever he wants. He could play like he's town even before 1st day ended. That's why I think it might be nice to vote on people that didn't vote on Firere and then voted on LoneMeow and Xzavier.

On June 15 2013 23:49 fferyllt wrote:

Not exactly true. I was the 2nd vote on Firere.

On June 16 2013 01:13 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Led the vote on firere while continuing to press him after every post AND defended Gotard which no one else really did. Roleblocked n1 and there was still a kill. Please explain all of this in a way that makes me scum.

On June 16 2013 01:46 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Jailer can verify and he/she would have spoken up if I was lying which would lead to a quick lynch

On June 16 2013 05:13 fferyllt wrote:


You think that Onegu was the kill target last night? Or that scum intentionally or unintentionally made no kill? Or something else?

On June 16 2013 05:15 fferyllt wrote:
I guess there's still a chance that Stim could come in and counterclaim being blocked. Or that the JK could counterclaim that Onegu was the target, but I think that would have already happened if it was going to happen.

On June 16 2013 08:27 iVLosK! wrote:

Xzav was a player with an abysmal voting record that I wanted lynched.

I wanted Xzav to die so badly, that I had a bomb placed on him just in case I ever died before getting it accomplished. I placed that bomb N1. I lost it because Xzav was lynched.

The edited parts of the mason chat are me and skanjab discussing my role and agreeing that Xzav was the best place to put it.

I'm the Mad Hatter. I am essentially a VT, now.