EPTHapahauli06-13-201309:35 PM ET (US)Whaaaaa. How did Xav get lynched. Dafuq?
Maybe made water come out my nose.... Can neither be confirmed or denied.
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Maybe made water come out my nose.... Can neither be confirmed or denied. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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Gotard
Poland446 Posts
On June 16 2013 23:41 Spicydinosaur wrote: GG everyone. Remember in future games that even if someone is acting scummy.... does it make sense from a scum view. Gotard almost got mislynched because of it and Xzavier lost his head. That was my strategy to get almost lynched.  | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 16 2013 23:58 Onegu wrote: Oh btw other then my night one kill choice was my night 2 and 3 targets ok? I would have killed fferyllt n2. She was very towny and easy to get along with. With iVlosk being alive you can still have some wiggle room as his attitude was something you could work with. Overall though your targets n2 and 3 werent bad. Though by D3 you may have wanted to take a shot at someone else (not me) to get the jailer. Tough spot so overall you did fine. Your D1 light defense of the other two scum though didn't help you. It was subtle but was noticeable. Well played though on the Xzavier lynch. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
Well it worked but then you have to be more active later on to help town. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
I was debateing on trying to bring you up day four as a possible but it had to be umasi as I had been on him all game . Cocaine is a helluva drug... | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On June 16 2013 18:41 ObviousOne wrote: Don't be ambiguous about your scum reads unless the situation calls for it. "Waffle" back and forth especially in the thread looks like fake contribution unless its well done. Be explicit with your reasons. If you change your mind that's okay. Just state why. Did I waffle? | ||
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
Hedging is taking an ambiguous stance on a player. "X looks scummy because reason, but I'm not sure yet." Or asking questions. "Do you think X looks scummy because reason?" rather than taking a stand on your own. Waffling is flip-flopping on a player, thinking they are scummy and then thinking they are town. Town players do both of these things, but are usually more willing to take a stand and say "So and so is scummy looking because reason", even though they may change their mind later. You did more hedging than waffling, especially asking leading questions. In scumhunting I like to ask open-ended questions so that i give the player I am asking fewer clues about what sort of answer I will find townish. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:06 fferyllt wrote: hedging vs waffling. Hedging is taking an ambiguous stance on a player. "X looks scummy because reason, but I'm not sure yet." Or asking questions. "Do you think X looks scummy because reason?" rather than taking a stand on your own. Waffling is flip-flopping on a player, thinking they are scummy and then thinking they are town. Town players do both of these things, but are usually more willing to take a stand and say "So and so is scummy looking because reason", even though they may change their mind later. You did more hedging than waffling, especially asking leading questions. In scumhunting I like to ask open-ended questions so that i give the player I am asking fewer clues about what sort of answer I will find townish. Ok this makes sense, thanks. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
Firere345, were you actually busy IRL or just lurking? Overall it was fun, but it was a bit annoying that most of the useful day 2 discussion happened in the last hours before lynch, when I had already gone to bed. And way too much afking and modkills, of course. Oh and I kind of got shafted by being busy IRL for day 1 so I didn't get to post enough and had to decide on the vote in a hurry. | ||
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iVLosK!
Djibouti545 Posts
'CAUSE MY BANK ROLL MAKE THE SCUM GIRLS PAY ATTENTION THE TOWN GIRLS LIKE IT WHEN I WHIP IT, WHIP IT ...Sorry. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:20 LoneMeow wrote: Xzavier, what was that with the weird vote switching in day 1? I couldn't figure that out even after seeing you flip town. Firere345, were you actually busy IRL or just lurking? Overall it was fun, but it was a bit annoying that most of the useful day 2 discussion happened in the last hours before lynch, when I had already gone to bed. And way too much afking and modkills, of course. Oh and I kind of got shafted by being busy IRL for day 1 so I didn't get to post enough and had to decide on the vote in a hurry. I was on a 15 min work break. i was doubting my case on gotard. what they said made sense. but i didnt hav time to read the firere case. and i didnt want to blindly sheep. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
As for me.. I think I did a pretty aweful job. I had a complete mental break down after LoneMeow flipped town. I was so sure of it after firere345 flip Day1. I tunnelled LoneMeow so hard. sorry  Anyway I'm going to go over the whole thread again in hope that I can much from it. | ||
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
On June 17 2013 08:10 StiMaDDict wrote: Gg well played, both town and mafia. iV and ffer were outstanding. As for me.. I think I did a pretty aweful job. I had a complete mental break down after LoneMeow flipped town. I was so sure of it after firere345 flip Day1. I tunnelled LoneMeow so hard. sorry Anyway I'm going to go over the whole thread again in hope that I can much from it. The Xzav lynch really took the wind out of my sails in much the same way; both that I let/helped it happen and that I didn't stick with Onegu once I sort of had iV back in my town pile. But, perfect town wins and perfect scum wins don't grow on trees. Most games this size at least one person gets mislynched. One of the things I've realized recently is that a reads-based game like mine is not often going to synch up well with a strategy/optimization based game which IV's game resembles, though I think his style actually incorporates both reads and optimization. I should probably work on finding middle ground myself, but I don't like paying attention to the numbers and straight bandwagon analysis when they contradict reads I feel strongly about. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18399 Posts
On June 17 2013 01:06 fferyllt wrote: hedging vs waffling. Hedging is taking an ambiguous stance on a player. "X looks scummy because reason, but I'm not sure yet." Or asking questions. "Do you think X looks scummy because reason?" rather than taking a stand on your own. Waffling is flip-flopping on a player, thinking they are scummy and then thinking they are town. Town players do both of these things, but are usually more willing to take a stand and say "So and so is scummy looking because reason", even though they may change their mind later. You did more hedging than waffling, especially asking leading questions. In scumhunting I like to ask open-ended questions so that i give the player I am asking fewer clues about what sort of answer I will find townish. I agree. I think Onegu played one heck of a game, for being stuck as a one-man scumteam, but if there's one criticism on your game it's that it was quite clear you had only one interest: you were deadly scared of being lynched yourself, which became obvious at some points during N2 and D3. You didn't try to really find scum, but rather hopped on whatever opportunity came along to ensure you yourself survived. Town is not as scared of dying as scum (particularly a 1-man scumteam), so when the only reason for posting is to complain that someone else looks scummier and should be voted for, sets off alarm bells. That's more looking for a reason to vote someone, than looking for actual scum. Be careful with that. But I reiterate, Onegu, you played an awesome scumgame, and were hit by quite a bit of bad luck, and some also excellent play by town JK. I also haven't mentioned iVlosk! yet. While somewhat abrasive, there were two things instantly apparent in iVlosk's play: he was town, and he was setting himself up as town sheriff. While Xzavier was (needlessly) thrown to the wolves, in general iVlosk was good for town, and between him and fferyllt, it was very hard for any (let alone a 1-man) scumteam to get away with anything. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
You were a hero man - I only wish that we could have found some more friends for you to work with. You had a great shot to win this if not for some very well-played JK actions by fferyl. | ||
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