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Xzavier
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s0Lstice
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Xzavier
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Acrofales
Spain18489 Posts
On June 16 2013 13:47 s0Lstice wrote: fferyltt, you played really well. the one thing I would say is work on your confidence. Your reads were pretty darn good..sometimes you gotta browbeat people to get them to see the light. Did you really like that Xzav lynch? I bet you coulda stopped it if you were louder. Overall though your play was really fun to watch, I hope you play again. Speaking of the Xzav lynch....so confusing lol. He looked really town right from the starting gun. Things got weird, but a day 1 re-read really should have stopped his lynch imo. Onegu, you played a heroic scum game...the deck was stacked against you and you gave it a good fight. Fferyltt really needed to die though to a NK. In your shoes I'd have probably gunned for her night 1. This. Pretty much. Fferyllt is also the reason town didn't actually lose, imho :D An epic save on N2 and a roleblock on N3 to seal the deal. Saved 3 town lives! I'll think of more postgame analysis, most of the train-of-thought things are in the obs qt, but basically town played well this game, and Onegu played an epic 1-man team scumgame, but it was pretty damned hard. I really really tried to find a replacement, but there was nobody at the time. As for why Yavanna didn't get modkilled in N1: she had played, even though she didn't vote, and she PM'd me asking for a replacement, and responded to my PMs throughout the games. That gave me more motivation to keep her in the game and keep looking for replacement, as opposed to tE_, who afk'd after his /in post and never looked back. | ||
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Onegu
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Onegu
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
a good example of what to do as town when you are getting lynched is what Blazinghand did in Les Mafia: link He still ended up getting lynched, but his last 24-36 hours are exactly what should be done. Your objective is to help the town as much as possible before you die. You win with town whether you are alive or dead, so your own survival takes a back seat to infodumping the thread with as much quality analysis as you can manage before you die. That said, if you do this right, it's very possible town will reconsider your lynch. Your best weapon is being useful, and doing the gruntwork to provide solid analysis. Do this, and the rest should(!) take care of itself. It's possible that a derpy town will still lynch you despite doing everything right though ;D In your specific case, you probably could have stopped your lynch by being more active. It was a close vote (one of the votes on you was Onegu, who was voting you for self preservation) It's much easier for the wagon to stay on track if you aren't there looking consistently not scummy. | ||
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
On June 16 2013 15:13 Onegu wrote: Ffer you are jailer right? This was my first game of maffia and want to thank my coach alot. I didnt think I needed to save him at the time the votes were so close and I went to sleep and we still didnt know yavanna was gone yet. Skanjab was a random kill night one I just got lucky. Because of the edited post I felt he iVlosK! was blue night 2. My night 3 kill target was going to be spicy even though I knew ffer was probraly jailer, then I was sure she was after I was roleblocked. Yes I was jailer. Good work figuring that out! On night 1 I purely went for protecting someone I thought was uber town. Spicydinosaur was first on Firere and had argued tirelessly against the Gotard lynch. I also thought that of all the players I thought were town, he was most likely to stay on Yavanna on day 2. I half expected to be the N1 kill depending on how experienced the scum team was because I knew I had dropped some PR tells on day 1. That final convo SD and I had before day 2 started was my breadcrumb about who I would JK in case I was the N1 kill. I didn't learn for sure that my targets got messages about it until Day 3.. On night 2 I decided to go with iV and I was equally interested in blocking or protecting. If someone else died then he would be confirmed town. If there was no NK, then I would have to figure out whether he was the intended victim or the perp. That was why I kept questioning him on day 3. I finally decided he'd been the kill target, but didn't know whether to trust his reads. As the idea of killing xZav or Umasi kept coming up, I began asking him about his experience playing with newbs because our reads on those two were not lining up. I concluded he had more experience playing with newbs than I did, and dropped my own day 2 plans which had been to get either Onegu or iV lynched and then JK whoever of them was left on night 3. Instead both were still alive and that made the JK decision much harder. With SD semi-cleared, and me leaning town again on iV, I went with a purely block decision and chose Onegu. I posted a blatant crumb a couple minutes after the night action deadline in case I was wrong. I figured if I was wrong, I was going to be dead. | ||
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Xzavier
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
Anyway, here's the screed I thought about posting. I decided not to post it mostly because I thought I was probably the only living blue. -------------------------------------- There’s a pretty good chance I won’t be alive tomorrow, so I want give the blue roles some general advice, though you should of course talk to the coaches as well on how to play blue roles well. What I have to say is probably not optimal play for your particular role at the beginning of a game unless you have an excellent scumdar. But now that we have some card flips and some ideas on who might be scum this kind of strategy can be more helpful. Think like a vig. No matter what your role, even vanilla town, think like a vig. If you had one bullet, how would you use it? Now, think about how you can use your abilities to do something similar. If you are the doc, that guy you would have shot…who most needs protection from that specific person? If you are the cop, then that’s the person you want to view. If you are wrong, that’s ok, you should have a cleared townie tomorrow who was otherwise at risk of being mislynched. If you are role blocker, then same thing. Tonight, there is probably one killer left. If you block someone tonight and there is no kill, then there is a good chance you blocked scum. If there is a kill, then the person you blocked is 99% cleared because we probably don’t have 2 killers left after 2 scum dying. Anyway, think about ways to find scum and if you are wrong then to clear players who otherwise could be mislynches. | ||
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Gotard
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On June 16 2013 14:01 fferyllt wrote: thanks. was really disappointed with myself on day 3. my goal was to get onegu lynched and then jk iV again. I went back and forth on whether to trust iV and trust his reads when I did trust that he was town. I am usually not alive on day 3. my game is turned to day 1 and 2. I fall apart on day 3 and sometimes pull myself back together if I am still in the game in day 4. I thought I was way too obvious on night 1 telling SD that one of us would be around on day 2. What made you decide to trust him? | ||
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
On June 16 2013 16:51 Gotard wrote: Fun game I wish I had time to play it and be somewhat useful. You did ok! The combination of your play plus how the day 1 bandwagons developed put you in most players' town pile. If you had time to read and analyze more, that would have been awesome. Play another game! | ||
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
Mostly it was knowing that I turn into a paranoid basket case on day 3. I kept telling myself iV was probably town until I started believing it again. s0Lstice was right about my confidence problem. I'm confident to the point of arrogance on day 1 and if I survive I eventually get back to that place later in the game. Day 3 or 4 I tend to fall apart, get paranoid about all the people I read as town earlier in the game, and (probably the worst thing) look for someone who appears to have a clue, try to figure out why they think what they think, and then toss my own ideas out the window and follow them. Sometimes that works out great. Sometimes it doesn't. Having a night action tends to at least keep me focused once the game day ends. Sometimes I do better in that aspect of the game than I do with my vote, if scum give me a couple nights to do my thing. | ||
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Onegu
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On June 16 2013 18:18 Onegu wrote: Did I do anyrhing uber noob this game, what should I have looked for in killing ffer night 1 was there something I should have seen? Don't be ambiguous about your scum reads unless the situation calls for it. "Waffle" back and forth especially in the thread looks like fake contribution unless its well done. Be explicit with your reasons. If you change your mind that's okay. Just state why. | ||
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fferyllt
United States317 Posts
If you look back, nearly every single time someone speculated about blues one of the 3 players with blue roles posted some version of stfu. I actually didn't have iV down as a blue, because I thought if there was night action discussion in the QT he would have doctored the QT discussion copy/paste so as not to leave obvious gaps. Since he left gaps, I assumed it was speculation about blue roles or something. But, as it turns out, that correlation held for him, too. My "remind me after the game ends" was followed by some wtf are you talking about posts, which at the time made me sick to my stomach. I shut down the convo quickly, commenting "I misinterpreted something, I think". As a VT I will get all up in another player's grill for speculating out loud on roles, and would be perfectly happy to draw an NK that could keep the real PRs in the game another day. As a blue in this particular game, with no meta here indicating that as VT I might be decoying, I was pretty pissed at myself. Note: Over time this sort of tell gets quite convoluted, with VT players sometimes being all closed mouthed, and with PRs yelling at people for speculation in order to look VT. In a "clean" environment where few players have any meta or knowledge about each other, the correlations are pretty straightforward. Onegu you were so blatantly role fishing on day 4 that if I hadn't already had my vote on you I would have voted you for that alone. Since I thought you were scum, I didn't even try to get you to stop speculating. It was just more evidence added to the reasons to vote you. That's one thing to avoid when you have a scum role. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On June 16 2013 18:53 fferyllt wrote: there was a really awkward section of game thread where skanjab and I both dropped blue tells. Mine was way more blatant than skanjab's, but when he flipped bue I instantly remembered the post and wondered how the hell scum had found that and not my own doofus posts. It started with Xzav indicating he had iVLosk as vanilla town. I said something about "remind me after the game ends" and Skanjab said something about "don't speculate about blue vs not". If you look back, nearly every single time someone speculated about blues one of the 3 players with blue roles posted some version of stfu. I actually didn't have iV down as a blue, because I thought if there was night action discussion in the QT he would have doctored the QT discussion copy/paste so as not to leave obvious gaps. Since he left gaps, I assumed it was speculation about blue roles or something. But, as it turns out, that correlation held for him, too. My "remind me after the game ends" was followed by some wtf are you talking about posts, which at the time made me sick to my stomach. I shut down the convo quickly, commenting "I misinterpreted something, I think". As a VT I will get all up in another player's grill for speculating out loud on roles, and would be perfectly happy to draw an NK that could keep the real PRs in the game another day. As a blue in this particular game, with no meta here indicating that as VT I might be decoying, I was pretty pissed at myself. Note: Over time this sort of tell gets quite convoluted, with VT players sometimes being all closed mouthed, and with PRs yelling at people for speculation in order to look VT. In a "clean" environment where few players have any meta or knowledge about each other, the correlations are pretty straightforward. Onegu you were so blatantly role fishing on day 4 that if I hadn't already had my vote on you I would have voted you for that alone. Since I thought you were scum, I didn't even try to get you to stop speculating. It was just more evidence added to the reasons to vote you. That's one thing to avoid when you have a scum role. After I got 3 votes on me so fast and knew stim wouldnt vote I thought I had to do something drastic, I almost just called you jailer instead of fishing, my only hope was to get you to flip off of me and convince gotard he was wrong, I thought I had iVlosk going with my line of thought on umasi. I still wonder why spicy came on to me day 3 after defending me day 2 though. | ||
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marvellosity
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