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On June 12 2013 12:21 fferyllt wrote: SpicyDinosaur how do you feel about Onego? Pretty confident he's town or not?
Null atm.
Going to sleep now. I'll catch up in the morning.
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I'm looking at Umasi right now. Both Stim and Onegu had similar play styles by tunneling one person and not really looking anywhere else. They are so similar so its hard to choose one of them atm.
Umasi on the other hand, has changed the most from the beginning of the game. His posts in the beginning were sheeping but he emphasized logic a lot more. Now look at his posts... just pure chaos. He's either having a mental breakdown or he's going 100% crazy in an effort to look towny. On the other hand, Yavanna said she would lynch him or firere D1. Im not sure how much stock can be put in this comment because she never actually voted and fell off the face of the game. Perhaps scum had a plan.. who knows. What we do know is that Umasi voted for two townies.
I really want to hear what he and everyone else who's been absent from the thread.
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On June 13 2013 10:04 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 08:59 Spicydinosaur wrote: I'm looking at Umasi right now. Both Stim and Onegu had similar play styles by tunneling one person and not really looking anywhere else. They are so similar so its hard to choose one of them atm.
Umasi on the other hand, has changed the most from the beginning of the game. His posts in the beginning were sheeping but he emphasized logic a lot more. Now look at his posts... just pure chaos. He's either having a mental breakdown or he's going 100% crazy in an effort to look towny. On the other hand, Yavanna said she would lynch him or firere D1. Im not sure how much stock can be put in this comment because she never actually voted and fell off the face of the game. Perhaps scum had a plan.. who knows. What we do know is that Umasi voted for two townies.
I really want to hear what he and everyone else who's been absent from the thread. So right not were thinking Umasi, and i think thats the smart lynch for today. It makes the town far more effective. and he has taken a massive shift in gameplay, going form logical and reasonable to panicking. Also depending on the flips, we should mass claim day3. just a thought, you can tell me its bad and explain why its bad, but i think we can end the game on the day3 lynch. (if it doesnt end today) thoughts?
Only thing a mass claim will do is show scum who our blues are. We will have a bunch of people claiming VT and if we lynch the wrong guy... then scum can snipe the jailer.
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On June 13 2013 10:45 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 13 2013 10:04 Xzavier wrote:On June 13 2013 08:59 Spicydinosaur wrote: I'm looking at Umasi right now. Both Stim and Onegu had similar play styles by tunneling one person and not really looking anywhere else. They are so similar so its hard to choose one of them atm.
Umasi on the other hand, has changed the most from the beginning of the game. His posts in the beginning were sheeping but he emphasized logic a lot more. Now look at his posts... just pure chaos. He's either having a mental breakdown or he's going 100% crazy in an effort to look towny. On the other hand, Yavanna said she would lynch him or firere D1. Im not sure how much stock can be put in this comment because she never actually voted and fell off the face of the game. Perhaps scum had a plan.. who knows. What we do know is that Umasi voted for two townies.
I really want to hear what he and everyone else who's been absent from the thread. So right not were thinking Umasi, and i think thats the smart lynch for today. It makes the town far more effective. and he has taken a massive shift in gameplay, going form logical and reasonable to panicking. Also depending on the flips, we should mass claim day3. just a thought, you can tell me its bad and explain why its bad, but i think we can end the game on the day3 lynch. (if it doesnt end today) thoughts? Only thing a mass claim will do is show scum who our blues are. We will have a bunch of people claiming VT and if we lynch the wrong guy... then scum can snipe the jailer. okay got it. So its jailer/medic. But if the jailer comes out and says i held this person on the night with the no-kill, and then we lynch that person we win. So even if he died there would be enough information to win the game. Mabye, i dont know. Im fine with how things are right now. And Umasi is highest on my list at the moment. Spicey what do you think of iV right now? I brought up the idea of how everybody who voted for Firere345 is town, and he shot it down at the time. and now all of the sudden he brings it back up again as his list of people to lynch in order to end the game. No sudden realization or reasoning, just two contradicting statements from the same person.
When the jailer jails... he protects the target and acts as a roleblock on them. So if mafia and jailer target the same person, then there is no kill. Alternatively, if the jailer selects the scum killer, then he roleblocks and there is no kill.
Another problem with your idea is that you are telling everyone. Scum can just no kill next night and make it look like scum was roleblocked. Not a very reliable strategy.
As for iV...and this goes for everyone else voting firere D1... to say they are scum is to say that they bussed one of their own, even when another scum (yavanna) goes afk. The odds are more likely that scum voted for Gotard or another person.
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On June 13 2013 11:02 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2013 10:54 Onegu wrote:On June 13 2013 10:45 Xzavier wrote:On June 13 2013 10:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 13 2013 10:04 Xzavier wrote:On June 13 2013 08:59 Spicydinosaur wrote: I'm looking at Umasi right now. Both Stim and Onegu had similar play styles by tunneling one person and not really looking anywhere else. They are so similar so its hard to choose one of them atm.
Umasi on the other hand, has changed the most from the beginning of the game. His posts in the beginning were sheeping but he emphasized logic a lot more. Now look at his posts... just pure chaos. He's either having a mental breakdown or he's going 100% crazy in an effort to look towny. On the other hand, Yavanna said she would lynch him or firere D1. Im not sure how much stock can be put in this comment because she never actually voted and fell off the face of the game. Perhaps scum had a plan.. who knows. What we do know is that Umasi voted for two townies.
I really want to hear what he and everyone else who's been absent from the thread. So right not were thinking Umasi, and i think thats the smart lynch for today. It makes the town far more effective. and he has taken a massive shift in gameplay, going form logical and reasonable to panicking. Also depending on the flips, we should mass claim day3. just a thought, you can tell me its bad and explain why its bad, but i think we can end the game on the day3 lynch. (if it doesnt end today) thoughts? Only thing a mass claim will do is show scum who our blues are. We will have a bunch of people claiming VT and if we lynch the wrong guy... then scum can snipe the jailer. okay got it. So its jailer/medic. But if the jailer comes out and says i held this person on the night with the no-kill, and then we lynch that person we win. So even if he died there would be enough information to win the game. Mabye, i dont know. Im fine with how things are right now. And Umasi is highest on my list at the moment. Spicey what do you think of iV right now? I brought up the idea of how everybody who voted for Firere345 is town, and he shot it down at the time. and now all of the sudden he brings it back up again as his list of people to lynch in order to end the game. No sudden realization or reasoning, just two contradicting statements from the same person. 2 people have claimed to be jailed already have come forward if you are just looking for them we know the no kill came from iVlosK being jailed. Looking for the jailer looks really bad. But couldnt in the same way, iVlosk claim to be jailed (but is really scum) and have that be the explination of why there was no kill. so he claims the KP was on him instead of him being unable to preform the kill?? This is why i think its a better idea, in other words. if the jailer comes out and says he held somebody else, do it and we win? or could it be that he is mindfucking gaming us and he didnt even put forth a KP at all? im not saying hes the scum, but im saying that he could have been roleblocked himself and claim that it saved him, instead of preventing him from shooting. Idk, this is my thoughts. Im not accusing him, but just making a statement that we cant take his claim to be 100% townie hes town all up in this town. make sense? of course, the above is almost certainly not applicable. as the jailer should have already come out and explained it, and then we kill him and win. (otherwise he is making this claim for bullshits and impeding the search for scum, which makes no sense)
NO NO NO NO NO NO!
Jailer is not coming out. End of story. Jailer could not tell us any additional information. In most my games I've played there is no notification of saves on people who are attacked. iVlosk says he was rolelbocked and no one counter claims so I believe it. Could he be scum shooting... sure, but right now it isn't likely. And if we have the jailer jail him again, all scum needs to do is not kill and then iVlosk gets mislynched.
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On June 13 2013 11:07 fferyllt wrote: As scum, I would not hesitate to bus a scum partner. If I thought the wagon was going to go through, I would get on it before it was a foregone conclusion.
I have literally done this minutes before the town pile-on started and looked like I was in front and leading the way. More than once.
If I were scum, I most likelly would have been on the Firere wagon. I would have gotten on it a little bit later than when I did, but early enough not to look like I"d given up on the wagon fading away.
This stuff about nobody bussing Firere is not surefire.
Not
at
all
So where are your thoughts on iVlosk?
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On June 13 2013 11:32 fferyllt wrote: Extremely mixed.
I have been exploring a lot of paranoid possibilities today, and I can see a paranoid-as-fuck case for iV being scum. It's not the only paranoid case I'm mulling over.
Whats the other case?
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On June 13 2013 21:41 iVLosK! wrote:
Let me just point out that KP is not roleblockable. Because apparently nobody knows. If I was jailed and I had KP, my KP would still go through. KP is something that's held by the mafia faction, not any individual player.
What are you basing this off of? As far as we know there is only 1 scum left so he has to carry it out the kill himself. Hypothetically if u were last scum and jailed, your kill will not go through.
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I'm deciding between Onegu and Xzavier.
Onegu for his D1 brush off of criticism of firere/yavanna still bothers me.
Xzavier for his last second switch back to Gotard.
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## VOTE Onegu
Going with what I got the best feeling on.
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On June 14 2013 07:02 Onegu wrote: Spicy can you please post a case not just say you feeling, and gotard can you read posts and not just sheep votes?
I'll repost what I posted earlier
On June 12 2013 01:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:Here are some thoughts on Onegu. Onegu and Yavanna have this conversation early in the game Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote:On June 06 2013 22:40 Yavanna wrote:On June 06 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote: Skanjab what is your biggest problem with spicydino is he has had good post on the lurker issue, I am getting a town vibe from him. The strongest read I have is on iVlosk as town t this point, but a wish he would curse less. xzav is also giving me a very strong town vibe. Umasi is my only scummy read as he fueled the iV rant even after it most likely should have been moved on from it. Also the whole brocuff thing. Also what are your guys thought on finding a serial killer? Could you explain this a little further to me? Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town. I got more of a bruised ego vibe than anything. I'm open to discussion on it though. Can you add anything to your case that might sway me? In other news, I'm trying to discern atm about LoneMeow. He had some input on the lurker lynch issue but since he's just asked a couple questions without any real opinions of his own. Thoughts? Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum. Yavanna seems to be wanting to get Onegu to explain his posts more in a very odd fashion. In this next quote, Onegu down plays my criticism of firere by saying its just noobish. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 21:54 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:39 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 14:28 Firere345 wrote: sorry for it being over 24 hours since my last post. I went to sleep right after my last post and have spent all my free time catching up today(which wasn't much). Fortunately, tonight was my last night of having prior commitments, so I will be much more active.
To meow, who asked my opinion of Vlosk a few pages back, he's obv not my top scum read atm, but engaging shitfests isn't the towniest thing to do. As for my current reads, though, Xzav is the only one who would make me really surprize dto flip scum. Umasi and Gotard don't have any defense against their accusations, so I find it hard to not be biased by thecurrent town consensus. Gut says both bad, Umasi town, Gotard maf, if only for lynching the one guy who we all should agree is mister town.
As for the jester question, the forum I used to play on was very inconsistent. The OP would only state basic roles, yet there would end up being bus drivers or phychics as flips, so I just wanted to make sure that Jest was not a role and that we wouldn't give up a day 1 loss to a jester. So scummy. Makes excuses for his absence, then promises more analysis that never came and simply sheeps other's opinion. Vote is staying on him. I would really like to hear from him also to see if he really was absent or just lurking. But lets be honest alot of people are sheeping, I think that is just noobish at this point. The thing I have been looking at is offering a thought on someone then sheeping once a majority is on someone else. This next quote is Onegu down playing fferyllt's criticism of Yavanna. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. The last two quotes I think are far more important than the interaction with Yavanna as she was trying to be friendly with everyone. The subtle defense of two non confirmed scum has me questioning whether his vote for Umasi was just to put a vote on someone else so he wouldnt look suspicious on the wagon.
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On June 14 2013 07:35 fferyllt wrote: You think town would have a masoner, a jailer and a cop?
sounds pretty townsided by what I've learned about TL standards.
I will think about it.
Without knowing what the last scum is its hard to guess. If he's just a goon then probably no more blues other than the jailer. However if there is a scum cop, then maybe we have one as well.
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Just to make it easier for mods with formatting
##Unvote
##VOTE: Onegu
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On June 14 2013 07:42 Onegu wrote: So you are going off day one interactions with people who barely posted, so after this you think I bussed firere and yavanna as I also made a case on her night one...
u didnt buss firere, your vote was never on him. Yavanna was afk 1/2 way through D1. Scum would know she wasnt around anymore and it would make sense to make a case on her then in the event of a mod kill.
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On June 14 2013 07:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 14 2013 07:42 Onegu wrote: So you are going off day one interactions with people who barely posted, so after this you think I bussed firere and yavanna as I also made a case on her night one... u didnt buss firere, your vote was never on him. Yavanna was afk 1/2 way through D1. Scum would know she wasnt around anymore and it would make sense to make a case on her then in the event of a mod kill. Except it is the same thing as a bus because if my vote goes on gotard he is saved, me not saveing him is the same thing as a bussing him. As in i threw him under the bus because I didnt save him...
the vote was 5-4 in favor of lynching firere. if you switched it would have been 5-5 and firere would still die due to tie-breaker.
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Umasi or Onegu tomorrow. One of them needs to die.
Did everyone just ignore yavanna's comments about Xzavier D1?
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On June 15 2013 09:55 fferyllt wrote: There is not much to it.
Tunnelling and survivalistic. Also his posts just come off as careful. Even with the vote stuff last night, his posting was unemotional and controlled. Which could be personality. i thought he would at least show a crack in the exterior, though.
Scum would be more calculated at this point. If i die, kill onegu first and if that doesnt work then umasi
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iV you roleblocked again?
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##Vote Onegu
unless we got new info
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Whoever was RB please tell
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