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On June 10 2013 22:01 LoneMeow wrote:
We really need more activity here or scum will get an easy win. So let's talk about lynches. Who are your top reads right now, iVLosK!?
Easy win for scum? We day 1 lynched scum in a noob game... if anything they are the ones feeling the pressure. And saying we need more activity coming from you is quite peculiar. Don't say we need more activity... MAKE ACTIVITY
Lone you were looking at StiMaDDict as a possible scum target but barely explained why.
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On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 23:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 10 2013 22:01 LoneMeow wrote:
We really need more activity here or scum will get an easy win. So let's talk about lynches. Who are your top reads right now, iVLosK!? Easy win for scum? We day 1 lynched scum in a noob game... if anything they are the ones feeling the pressure. And saying we need more activity coming from you is quite peculiar. Don't say we need more activity... MAKE ACTIVITY If you look at the posts, I've been one of the most active posters in the last 10 hours or so, but it's not useful unless I can get others to talk too. Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 23:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Lone you were looking at StiMaDDict as a possible scum target but barely explained why. Mostly his bringing a new case so close to lynch deadline with two wagons is not very towny. It was practically impossible for me to get lynched at that point, so the case was mostly just disruptive and could have helped Firere345 avoid getting lynched if a few votes had changed from him to me. I also massively dislike him not participating in almost any other discussion beside tunneling me, because that makes him a huge liability for the rest of the game if I get mislynched. I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which.
What do you think of Stim's call to vig shoot you night 1? Doesn't feel like scum play, but that of a tunneling townie.
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On June 11 2013 00:08 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 23:55 fferyllt wrote:
Last night, reading your convo with Onegu I read a buddying-up vibe to your posts. I'll have to fliter-dive again to confirm this, but my sense is that you have not initiated many interactions other than with Onegu. He was about the only one around, so I could hardly initiate interactions with anyone else :/ He's also on my list of suspicious people, though not at the top at the moment. I really didn't like his vote on day 1 being outside the wagons, that's somewhat counterproductive for town.
Having a vote outside of the wagons is not in and of itself indicative of alignment. Wouldn't you be more suspicious of him if he switched votes at the end to someone else? I've voted outside of the wagons because I didn't believe in them in previous games.
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On June 11 2013 00:30 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 00:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 11 2013 00:08 LoneMeow wrote:On June 10 2013 23:55 fferyllt wrote:
Last night, reading your convo with Onegu I read a buddying-up vibe to your posts. I'll have to fliter-dive again to confirm this, but my sense is that you have not initiated many interactions other than with Onegu. He was about the only one around, so I could hardly initiate interactions with anyone else :/ He's also on my list of suspicious people, though not at the top at the moment. I really didn't like his vote on day 1 being outside the wagons, that's somewhat counterproductive for town. Having a vote outside of the wagons is not in and of itself indicative of alignment. Wouldn't you be more suspicious of him if he switched votes at the end to someone else? I've voted outside of the wagons because I didn't believe in them in previous games. He never explained why he didn't believe in the wagons, that makes voting outside look bad to me. In fact, reading through what he said I notice that he hardly commented on Firere345 at all - it looks pretty bad to be honest.
He didn't give huge paragraphs on why he wasn't going for the wagons but if you read his posts, its there. Here is what he said about Gotard and Firere
When referring to Gotard
On June 07 2013 15:28 Onegu wrote:
I think he has to be paranoid at this point more than one person has thought him scum. I am thinking gotard may be town, I am not convinced yet. Why does being paranoid point you toward town?
On June 07 2013 15:56 Onegu wrote:
Ok maybe gotard isnt town but I dont have good enough read on him. I just have a stronger feel for umasi being scum. To me he just changes opinons so much and jumps from point to point and person to person so much. maybe he is paranoid but that just makes me think he might be afraid people are on to him.
When referring to firere
On June 07 2013 21:54 Onegu wrote:
I would really like to hear from him also to see if he really was absent or just lurking. But lets be honest alot of people are sheeping, I think that is just noobish at this point. The thing I have been looking at is offering a thought on someone then sheeping once a majority is on someone else.
On June 08 2013 01:55 Onegu wrote:
Just so you guys know I will be sleeping in the next 2 hours. Iv can you give a good reason for conforming to votes for your last 2 votes please. I would like to see if firere comes back and offers some more reasoning and defense. Xzav and yavannah what are your thoughts on skan, firere, and umasi?
He was much more confident in his voting of Umas than the wagons.
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The only confirmed town are the ones who are dead. Everyone else is fair game
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On June 11 2013 02:55 Umasi wrote:
So the people on Gotard on day one were me, xzav, firere, and lonemeow. I am discounting the possibility of a bus because I don't feel like a bus happened! I think that all three scum were on this wagon, unless yavanna is scum and /afked forever.
On June 11 2013 02:55 Umasi wrote:
Lonemeow, by sheer process of fucking elimination, if i think xzav isn't scum, and I KNOW I'm town, and Firere IS scum, and you I think you are scum, this is you defending Yavanna.
On June 11 2013 02:56 Umasi wrote:
If you do have doubts about Xzav, go reread day one and ask yourself why scum would play like that, and if you can come up with strong reasoning say it. I could not come up with strong reasoning and thus think he's town, although it would be cool if he got back in here.
You think that all three scum voted for Gotard but then later you say that Xzay isn't scum? Either I'm not reading this correctly or your thoughts are all over the place. You cant have it both ways as 4 people voted for gotard and if you claim town then the other 3 have to be scum by your statement.
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##VOTE LoneMeow
Most reasons are summed up by others but I feel to add/ explain a few others. His D1 excuses for not posting give me a similar scum feel like firere. Very spotting posting coupled with excuses. Only after there is a lot of suspicion on him does he post a lot more. His flip to Gotard still doesnt sit well with me and I was not satisfied with his answer. Furthermore his N1/D2 postings have been mostly damage control on his D1 activity. He has no scum reads atm and the only one he had real suspicions for was Stim. The case against Stim was rather weak and wrong in many instances. Though now he is unsure of Stim so he's back to 0 with scum reads.
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Too early to tell. Still have the rest of the day plus night actions. At this point I dont think Lone flipping scum will automatically mean someone else is scum.
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On June 06 2013 13:01 Umasi wrote:
We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic.
On June 11 2013 04:34 Umasi wrote:
Then push me and convince town, you asshole. Don't just *guys he's scum *point point**
don't just sit back and shitfling.
Why the hate? And he's not just pointing, he's been posting about you, with some good points.
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On June 10 2013 23:43 LoneMeow wrote:
I'm really not so sure about StiMaDDict anymore, though, I'm more tempted to think one of Umasi/Xzavier is a better candidate. Umasi has been relatively noncommittal and sheeping a lot for the whole game, while Xzavier's actions since the Firere345 lynch have been almost non-existent which is very suspicious given how he was one of the driving forces for discussion during day 1. The problem here is, I think only one of them is scum but I can't tell which.
I didn't ignore your post. If you are calling this your big scum read then it just furthers the points I made. There is no confidence in this post and you just highlight what has already been said. At least with Stim you gave a bigger analysis.
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In regards to Yavanna... i now believe she was only given a warning because she was active during the day but didnt vote. Te on the other hand never participated and thus was modkilled.
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On June 11 2013 07:30 Umasi wrote:
What about you spicy.
Do you think scum bussed day one in that close vote?
Not sure, initially i felt they didn't. The lone flip will help clear up some answers though.
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On June 11 2013 07:40 Umasi wrote:
A follow-up, because I obviously think that they did.
What benefit was there to scum bussing that would outweigh one of their own getting lynched?
Long term play for cred. I would see it more as a salvage operation than the plan from the get-go. They saw firere was boned so they did what was best for them. I don't think this was their plan from the beginning though. This is the only benefit I would see.
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That's very captain hindsight of you. I don't know what they were thinking, I'm just not sure firere was bussed.
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On June 11 2013 07:40 Umasi wrote:
A follow-up, because I obviously think that they did.
What benefit was there to scum bussing that would outweigh one of their own getting lynched?
[QUOTE]On June 11 2013 07:57 Umasi wrote:
you mean you're not sure he was or wasn't bussed, because I'm not trying to convince you he was haha.
I think they didn't bus him.[/QUOTE]
Wait what?
After the vote I didn't initially think scum bussed firere, now I'm not sure. Where are you going with this?
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If we have investigative roles I think Umasi is the perfect target since he is now highest on people's list. If we can clear him/ condemn him at night, itll free up the day to look at another.
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EBWOP: Also Stim is a good target for invest.
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On June 11 2013 10:43 iVLosK! wrote:
I never like it one of my so-so reads directs blue actions.
Deal with it. Its the smart play
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If there is an SK and if he wanted to win he would want the town/mafia ratio to balance out with one not being more powerful than the other. Otherwise he would have no shot of winning. I'll worry about an SK if we have 2 kills tonight.
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On June 11 2013 12:06 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 10:10 Spicydinosaur wrote:
If we have investigative roles I think Umasi is the perfect target since he is now highest on people's list. If we can clear him/ condemn him at night, itll free up the day to look at another. I would say forget Umasi, for investigation given Yavanna's interactions with/about him that I posted earlier. What do you think, Spicydinosaur?
I tend to agree given the quote you brought up though I'm hesitant to completely give him a pass since Yavanna never did actually put a vote down. Who do you think invests should focus on them?
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