[M][N] Les Mafia

On May 18 2013 04:26 sputnik.theory wrote:
People who have yet to offer any input in no particular order:
cDgCorazon
raynpelikoneet
yamato77 - posted first popcorn and nothing since
VayneAuthority - his birthday prolly busy :D
goodkarma

On May 18 2013 05:35 Blazinghand wrote:
info comes from town taking stances on things that matter ie voting and scum trying and failing to imitate

On May 18 2013 03:40 s0Lstice wrote:


Yup, both things are there. I said I'm always town because, like I said, some folks may find it helpful to know. On a personal note, I happen to think it's hilarious that I can't seem to ever draw scum.

That's related to Stutters question that I missed. If you have never played scum before, chances are your first time isn't going to be so graceful. It's just one more piece of the puzzle; it helps me weight any nervousness/silence/inconsistency that I see.

On May 18 2013 05:42 grush57 wrote:
can we lynch vayne for that?
d1 usually doesn't ever get better info than this
he didnt say that in the other game where we no lynched too
##Vote: VayneAuthority

On May 13 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
Suppose ill come in and say that I am following the thread even though I am not posting yet, waiting for the night killings to analyze

On May 18 2013 05:40 yamato77 wrote:

So you think you're gonna find scum by reading who they shoot?

Most N1 shots tell you is who is town, not who is scum.

On May 18 2013 05:57 Blazinghand wrote:
If 1 is "barely lynchworthy" and 10 is "mod has stated he is scum in thread" I'd put him at about a 6. I'm highly willing to lynch Vayne because he's trying really hard not to do anything, to opt out of the town discourse. It's not that his suggestion to no-lynch is bad per se (though it is) it's his idea that this is a cart blanche to give no reads and to play like he is.

On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)?

On May 18 2013 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:
if the number is anything other than 0 lynch him. if it's 0 he's lying lynch him anyways

On May 18 2013 06:10 yamato77 wrote:

There's no opinion about it. Night 1 shots are shots on dangerous vets. You trying to WIFOM why they were shot is not going to nail any scum realistically.

That said, you'd be insanely stupid to suggest this idea in the thread as scum, so I'm going to treat you as town for the time being. The fact that you've managed to garner so much attention with your antics thus far should tell you something; your play is pro-mafia. I suggest you re-evaluate your strategies.

On May 18 2013 06:15 yamato77 wrote:

Your newbie games here on TL might have had NKs that you were able to analyze, but I tell you now, tonight's NK is only going to tell you which of the vets is the towniest. It's not going to help you find mafia. So why don't you do what you were doing and point out suspicious posts for the thread to see and talk about why you think they're suspicious. That's what we do on day 1.

On May 18 2013 06:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:


As someone who was in the last newbie game, Vayne is playing quite similar. D1 he prodded a little and got a good number of people pissed at him then D2 he went quiet. He had a some suspicions on people but held back for the most part on revealing them. I did not like his play style that game as I felt the more information we had out, the better.

On May 18 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote:


I was just browsing filters and I found this hilarious. This is a totally useless post, but I really did find this hilarious.

On May 18 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:


I just saw you throw your newbie game because you were too much of a pussy to follow your instincts.

this does not translate to = scum want me gone early (you were left alive to lylo)

hopefully this doesn't sound like a massive putdown, but... um... yeah. I mean, maybe you're feared on mafiascum, but don't make claims about how you're feared here until you have a legitimate reason to think so.

On May 18 2013 06:38 yamato77 wrote:

You should read some town guides on TL and listen to some of the podcasts. I don't think you understand how we gauge good town play whatsoever.

On May 18 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:


you made it to lylo because mafia didn't deem you worth killing. I know this because I was coaching mafia.

At lylo, you said "i think dude B is mafia, but the dead townie thought dude A was mafia, so i'll vote for him". This was about 36 hours before the remaining townie voted for you.

Further, staying alive is not a success in mafia, it means you were too shit to kill.

Look, dude, I don't care where your ego is at or what you think, but don't bullshit in this game. MY game. I coached your last game and you were fucking easy meat because you were a coward. Argue it all you like but that's what it was.

when you're ready to use honesty, then comment on this game. Otherwise everything you say just feels like bullshitting. Don't type fucking bullshit like "mafia want me dead early" because no, from what I've seen, mafia very much want you alive.

Do we understand each other?

On May 18 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:


you lost. ggnore.

On May 18 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:


you've got a lot to learn. you were alive at a 2-1 lylo and you voted for a townie. I've never done that.

you specifically said in this thread "mafia like to kill me early". No, mafia love to leave you alive because at lylo you'll vote for townies.

You can rage at me all you like, but are you going to play the game, or talk about how awesome you are?

On May 18 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote:


click the "profile" button on any of my posts. now weep and learn.

On May 18 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:


I'm SO very tempted to agree, but Vayne is 1/16 of the players here.

Vayne - I know you think s0listice's original meat claims were suspicious, what do you make of his subsequent explanations? Do you like them, do you feel they incriminate him more? Whichever way, why?

On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:
stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time?

On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote:


Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk.

On May 18 2013 03:40 s0Lstice wrote:


Yup, both things are there. I said I'm always town because, like I said, some folks may find it helpful to know. On a personal note, I happen to think it's hilarious that I can't seem to ever draw scum.

That's related to Stutters question that I missed. If you have never played scum before, chances are your first time isn't going to be so graceful. It's just one more piece of the puzzle; it helps me weight any nervousness/silence/inconsistency that I see.

On May 18 2013 06:48 s0Lstice wrote:
yea I'm not down with a Vayne lynch right now.

at this moment, I could lynch Stutters though. call it OMGUS if you want, but pulling punches on your initial pressure looks a little weird...see below



also don't like how he jumped on Vayne, seemed almost reflexive

##Vote Stutters695

On May 18 2013 07:20 marvellosity wrote:


it's not really worth talking about, but he doesn't realise that on TL we're skilled enough to find mafia day 1 fairly regularly :p

On May 18 2013 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
ok VA I get that if we're at MYLO you would want to no-lynch, but bear with me for a moment here and maybe I can bring us all together to agree on something. Currently, we are not at MYLO. This is a true statement. We are not at MYLO. Right now is not MYLO. Therefore, no-lynching is not the optimal move. Does that make sense?

On May 18 2013 07:29 Blazinghand wrote:


I see waht you're saying, but still disagree. Perhaps an example would suffice: Let's say that there's 4 VTs and 1 scum, who has 1 KP. Instead of lynching once and then being at LYLO (A), we could no-lynch twice and be at LYLO (B). In scenario A, all the VTs, and also the scum player, argue about who to lynch and the scum player is forced to make reads and take positions. He has to fake townreads and scumreads. He has to get involved. Even if a town player is lynched, you go into LYLO with a lot of staked out positions, reads, players, etc based on how the flip happened. In scenario B, both of the flips are determined by scum rather than town, so first off there's no chance of hitting scum with the first flip, and secondly, with no town-controlled flip to argue about, scum is not forced to stake out meaningful positions about scumreads and townreads. When there are multiple scum alive this is even more of a difference, since scum will be able to give up associative tells.

That's why it's generlaly considered to be a successful strat to lynch every day except specifically at MYLO in TL games.

On May 18 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote:

wat

On May 18 2013 09:52 Spicydinosaur wrote:


you are one of the more active players and one of the first i filtered. As for the shitfests, I gave my 2 cents on the vayne issue. I knew how he played from our previous game and I saw no reason to jump on the band wagon. As for the marvellosity/ Dandel Ion cluster fuck, I felt it was best I stay clear of it. It turned into some kind of argument of meta gaming that I was unfamiliar with. A lot of guys in here have played dozens of games together and can do the meta argument. Dandel started off by just spewing spam but then it seemed he was doing it for a reason. Then the whole thread seemed to be jumping from one person to another. No reason to jump into a shitfest if I have nothing to add, would be just spam.

On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:

vayne was all the rage a few pages back, but he seems to actually believe in what he says (this is consistent with a dude that builds bt and qss as a core, lol)

On May 18 2013 12:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Just catching up now. But I thought I would give some input. This post seems incredibly townie to me. Generally I find townies are the ones who will defend their ego's to the last breath. I don't want to lynch vayne today based on that post alone.

On May 18 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

Never said it was meta, breh.
Also HAI GUISE I BACK
Holy fuck I leave for what like 6 hours and I come back to 10+ pages more of thread? Ugh.
K first things first: I have no idea what the fuck went on in that shitstorm between dandel and marv so I'm just fucking ignoring it. Ok, good.

Let's see. Sputnik still hasn't done shit, still scummy, k.
Grush is town, if you vote him you're dumb, k.
Ugh there's too many scumspects out there right now I have to re-read now and see who people think are scum 'cause I can't remember.
Oh yeah JJD is one. Looks scum, but I'd put him in the same category as sputnik right now; I'd like to see more from him but right now he looks shit. Vote staying on sputnik though.
Going back and reading.

On May 18 2013 13:27 s0Lstice wrote:
It'd be sputnik, and I'd feel ok about it.

What you were saying about Marv and his descent from rage was compelling though. Something caught my eye while reading the whole Marv/Dandel exchange



the apology....as Marv has done this before, I wondered if he ever has apologized for it. If he has done this before but never really showed any sign of guilt, then that is something. I've been digging through personality to see. Need to look at his scum games as well, its a fat wad of meta to get through. Still though, food for thought.

On May 19 2013 00:31 DarthPunk wrote:


I was just commenting on things that stood out to me as I read the thread. (i was like 20 pages behind or something) That stood out to me as incredibly townie so I mentioned it because people were calling you out at that point. Later people (correctly) viewed you as not a good lynch candidate. But i didn't know that when I posted.

I was looking at grush and WoS for lynches. Grush is not a good lynch anymore, and WoS could sway me depending on the way he answers my questions.

So probably Sputnik theory, WoS or Rayn right now.

Sputnik for being all weird and lurky. And Rayn for just being lurky.

On May 19 2013 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think we should lynch sputnic or BH.

On May 19 2013 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay. gk. fu. you are scum. vayne are you okay with this lynch, if yes, why? if not, why?

On May 19 2013 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You seem to be kinda bandwagony for a guy who would like a no-lynch for d1???

On May 19 2013 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No i'm not. It's okay you are voting for the guy you think is scum, but given your "policy" that makes no sense.

On May 18 2013 05:43 VayneAuthority wrote:


also I find this post suspicious as hell, as if he is trying to meta himself already for the rest of the game. FoS s0lstice

On May 18 2013 07:14 VayneAuthority wrote:


I point you to exhibition #1, where he directly calls out stutters and asks him if he has any games where hes played scum before. Why? did they roll scum together?



Why is he forbidden to lurk? doesn't want his partner to seem suspicious?



worried about how his meta looks and is already consciously considering it so much that he even types it out into the thread.



A common mafia tactic is to go against the bandwagon to look like an independent thinker. Finds the opportunity to throw in a vote for stutter that he believes will never come to fruition as he isnt really pushing it just voting it. One of them flips scum later and the other looks like town.



End of analysis

On May 19 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
My input from what I have read



Suspicious. sums up the thread (completely useless) and then says he will just be waiting to see what happens, probably so he can drop a vote on the bandwagon late at night. A pretty mediocre read, so ill just keep an eye on him for now.



whoa bro! I may or may not suck at this game but at least on LoL I can prove that im diamond. I made this account when QSS was good and it is pretty clearly not anymore.



I appreciate the defense and all but could you explain why you brought this up after it was buried under the rug? it would help me a lot in reading you, thanks in advance. Also post your best lynch as of now if you would be so kind. You are one of the most reasonable players here from what I have seen so I really want to know that you aren't scum.

the grush thing: lynching him gives us worthless information, vig should shoot him if there is one and just put it to rest.



This post is incredibly bad. Its not even asking anyone to stop lurking or stop being bad, just hey these players are bad lets kill them off. Fine to lynch this guy.



Im almost tunneling at this point but another ridiculous waffling post from s0lstice. hey guyz id feel "ok" about this, blah blah summary, food for thought bunch of other bs. Its like he doesnt want to associate himself to any flips.

I am honestly seeing the start of a stutters/s0lstice/WoS mafia here. I just need the night killings to confirm it now. I will be putting my vote on s0lstice as he is the most suspicious to me.

On May 19 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne, i do not think your case is good. At all.
One point why you call him suspicious: Suspicious. sums up the thread (completely useless) and then says he will just be waiting to see what happens, probably so he can drop a vote on the bandwagon late at night. A pretty mediocre read, so ill just keep an eye on him for now.

Can you see what you are doing?

On May 19 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:


You seem like a bright guy, but i think you lack some basic experience (don't get me wrong here). Okay, let's go for hunt scum now?

Do you think Goodkarma is suspicious at all?

On May 19 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote:


vayne, can you explain this better to me please?

you've played twice on this forum before this game, where both times there was a lynch day 1, and there was no question of a no-lynch.

why are you so surprised about our eagerness to lynch on day 1 given your experiences on this forum so far?

On May 19 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Vayne, the reason consolidating this early looks scummy is because my wagon was the biggest at the time and looks like a safe place for scum to park a vote. There is absolutely zero reason consolidation is necessary with over 24h left to go in a day since lynch wagons are still constantly forming and dying off and there is no danger of a no-lynch...


LOL I just realized. Why the FUCK would there ever be a no-lynch in plurality?

Yes, there have been recent games where no-lynch may have been an issue (I am not at liberty to speak of more) but that's instant majority where if you don't reach a certain threshold there is a no-lynch. Here you'd specifically have to VOTE for a no-lynch (which you've recently realized we find scummy early game) or there would have to be a tie. Thread non-participation is not an issue here; we WILL see a lynch in 24 ish hours, and that's even IF this thread weren't active, which it is.

Fuck this, I'm changing my vote. If sputnik comes back I'll look at him then---just vig him tonight or some shit.
##Unvote
##Vote: Goodkarma

On May 19 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:


Did you claim you want to no-lynch in those games? I guess I'll have to go look for myself.

On May 19 2013 09:34 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm back.

Vayne can you explain why you think I'm scum except that s0l asked if I had played scum before. Pretty weak reasoning. I get asked that at least once a game by people who don't know me.

On May 19 2013 13:20 iamperfection wrote:
just vote him he needs to die

On May 19 2013 13:50 DarthPunk wrote:
I really don't like this Goodkarma wagon. Like every single person in the game has expressed an interest in a good karma lynch.

Let's lynch Blazing.

On May 19 2013 13:54 DarthPunk wrote:


They must have been bussing him pretty early. He has been a popular target for what feels like a while.

One thing though.

GOODKARMA READ YOUR FUCKING ROLE PM


/facepalm

On May 19 2013 18:41 yamato77 wrote:

One thing I thought of just a moment ago:

How does Vayne know the ration of town:scum? We are not told in the OP. Scumslip?

On May 20 2013 02:36 yamato77 wrote:

After tunneling GK a bit more, he comes out with this.

I hate these posts. They smell like scum.

On May 20 2013 02:44 iamperfection wrote:

not crazy about that lynch very much at all

On May 20 2013 05:56 marvellosity wrote:
Day 1s, when we have the least information, is the best day to try to pick out mafia from the low-posters. I almost always follow this philosophy.

If goodkarma is actually mafia, he'll still be mafia tomorrow and he'll actually still be posting enough for us to continue to develop our read on him.

On May 20 2013 06:08 s0Lstice wrote:
damn

at least there's one less lurker

On May 20 2013 06:28 iamperfection wrote:

lol why is it only possible for them to be both town or both scum

On May 20 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:


Sorry, what? Why can't BH be town and me mafia, or BH mafia and me town?

On May 20 2013 06:31 s0Lstice wrote:


Then make a case and we'll talk about it if you really strongly feel I'm scum. Like I said earlier I'd prefer it if you weren't wasting your time suspecting me.

On May 20 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote:


Why are you assuming things about mechanics?

On May 21 2013 04:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Actually VA I have a question for you if you have a moment. Initially during D1 you had a town->null read on GK. Eventually this evolved into a scumread after GK said he didn't check his role PM. Since then you've been pushing for his lynch. Aside from the role PM shenannies, why do you think GK is scum? What has changed about your initial scumreads on stutters, WoS, and s0lstice that they are not your main pushes (just DI and GK)? I know you've kept the pressure up on s0lstice a little but since changing your vote to GK during D1 you have not mentioned sutters or s0lstice. Where do you stand on them?

On May 21 2013 06:27 Stutters695 wrote:
More importantly, what do you make of these NKs Vayne?

On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
fuck marv is probably actually town
sad day

iamp totally confirmed town because

vayne was all the rage a few pages back, but he seems to actually believe in what he says (this is consistent with a dude that builds bt and qss as a core, lol), so I dunno, I feel like he would care more about how he looks and adapt (to tl) as scum
I have like nothing to base this on, but I mean, the dude called somebody else a newbie when he just finished playing in an actual newbie game days ago.
I find not giving a fuck generally a townie thing to do. I'm fine with waiting for whatever nightaction information the dude thinks he needs to actually play the game for now.
( I still have no idea what he's doing though )

I really like how blazing reacted to vayne, and I pretty much agree with this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=17#330
Although I am hesitant about the shooting part, but I can't and won't tell you why! Best reasoning NA.

I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.

What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything.

GK because his case on stutters (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=16#320) is based on a serious misrepresentation of stutters' post, trying to point out a inconsistency in stutters posting that was not actually one. (stutters pointed out he's never been scum, gk somehow turned that into an inconsistency regarding meta)
I don't think stutters responded yet and I usually prefer people doing that before i butt in, but I am a realist and it's stutters, so nope.

In total, it just looks way too much like an "easy" case scum loves to do on an inactive/bad (or both!) townie and it gives me the jeebers.


Rest is variying shades of null + Show Spoiler +

aaaaand that should be about it.

Okay, going to sleep. Toodles.

On May 18 2013 06:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Marv-

his pressure seems hesitant/blendy. it's also based on flawed logic. if I was scum, I'd be more likely to be afraid of my meta, as this would be my first scum game. so, because I point it out as part of my introductory post...this makes me suspicious?

his tone makes me think he hasn't even convinced himself. to be fair though, hopping on Vayne's quick wagon is just as important.

combined, it's not a huge lead, but right here right now on a day 1, i'm cool voting him for now

On May 18 2013 14:04 s0Lstice wrote:
All the same...do you know what I would do if I was in Marv's shoes? After all these games, the victories, the early NKs as town, the high win percentage as scum...with that Hapa case floating around out there, and (this is important) people around me itching to lynch me as the game goes on regardless of how I've played because as town I'm so rarely alive late into games..

I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up.

I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile.

Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is.

On May 21 2013 07:11 marvellosity wrote:
Vayne, you realise in your first quote, s0lstice was addressing me, but talking about someone else?

On May 18 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where the fuck is Rayn, I was looking forward to his play this game---it is completely unlike him to be this lurky and I don't like it one bit, especially given the fact that he has seen no pressure whatsoever for his lurkiness and yet the more active lurkers like JJD and sputnik have been threatened for not much more.

On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
It came to my attention that I might not be able to make the substantial post I promised if indeed I get up close to the lynch deadline (which will likely be the case). As such, I'm just going to post it now. Below is my promised listpost. If you want the TL;DR version of it go to the bottom. The most relevant part is obviously Spicy, who is who I’m going to be voting for.


Stutters: I know this guy is capable as town of meaningful analysis when he's actually around. Sadly though, that isn't the case here. He's content to afk for the most part... I’d say very slight town only because he seems to have a similar kind of rhetoric and demeanor to what I remember when I played with him in his newbie game. But I would definitely pressure him to get more out of him.

Iamperfection: I'm pretty confident this guy's town right now.

Grush: This guy's a troll. And a source of frustration for me. I'd say based on his behavior he's scum, but for now I will take a blind leap of faith for the starsenses (given that he's allegedly never ever broken from this). If he could provide any kind of helpful insight at all into his thoughts on this game I would feel far better about this...

Blazinghand: This guy is not the aggressive dude I'm familiar with as scum or town. I get he's playing three games, but how is it that the only people he can get behind are a popular bandwagon (Vayne and later me) or complete lurkers (JarJar)? And then just troll… If it gets to some kind of LYLO situation and the expected number of blues are already accounted for I’d take his blueclaim to be a scum fakeclaim.

WaveofShadow: I feel less good about lynching him right now. Looking through his filter, I see that he has an active involvement in the game. I'm not a fan of his playstyle, and the certainty of his statements about Grush and Sputnik were definitely scummy, but the way his reads evolve and the way he seems to actually care about what's going on in the thread indicates to me he's town (slight townread).

JarJarDrinks: I’ve already discussed this guy. He is a scumread for me atm.

Yamato: Townread.

Solstice: In general what stands out to me about him is that he really doesn’t seem to stick his neck out too much. He’s spent a fair deal of time ambivalently thinking I’m scum off and on. In general, I’d say I really don’t like the exchanges we’ve had. Especially some of the stuff with JarJar felt like he was less interested in looking at what I was saying and more interested in finding ammunition to launch a case. He’s a slight scumread, mostly by process of elimination.

Vayne: He seems to be cooperative with thread in actually moving away from his ridiculous no lynch idea and forming his own opinions. While he’s not a fountain of transparency, he’s played similarly to how he played his prior newbie game. Very slight townread.

Sputnik: Afk lurker. Tbh I’m expecting him to get modkilled. If he isn’t modkilled, he’ll get vigi’ed. I’m going to say that his limited shitty play to date is not alignment indicative (he’s shown he can play like this as town in past games). So let’s say for now there’s a 75% chance the dude’s town (assuming 4 scum).

Marv: Shows an interest in solving the game that I believe is consistent with town alignment. I must confess though I am not very familiar with his scumgame.

Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.

Dandel: Seems very focused on getting me lynched. In general I haven’t found his discussions very insightful. A troll he may be, but honestly I don't feel very confident he's town atm. I agree with Yamato that this guy is a good lynch candidate.

Darth: Seems to have an active interest in solving this game. I'd say he's town.

Rayne: A disruptive troll that obviously hasn't been reading the thread and obviously doesn't have very much useful to say. Idk if scum would play this poorly. However, as best I can tell it’s not something this guy normally does as town… I’d say he might be trying a different scumgame than what he’s tried in the past. I just don’t feel comfortable giving people who do this shit a free pass. If Sputnik’s modkilled I’d vigi him for sure.

In summary:
ObvTown: GK
Probably Town: Iamp, Yamato, Darth, Marv
People I’m assuming are town for now: Blazinghand, Grush
Slight Townreads: Wave, Vayne, Stutters
Afk/modkill territory: Sputnik
Scumlist: Spicy, JarJar, Dandel, Solstice, Rayne (I’d lynch in that order)

On May 22 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:


I'd say a 1-1 split was perhaps more likely, but a 2-0 split is certainly pretty possible.

If anyone's lynching BH because we've had a town mason flip they're doing it wrong, it's circumstancial evidence at best.

On May 22 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

He hasn't?
Did you read his drunkposting fiasco?

On May 22 2013 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:
And, I get it, maybe you think I'm scum, but at the very least if we're dead set on lynching me today we might as well discuss the next lynch, right? Pretend I'm town and talk with me, and if I flip scum if you want you can ignore it all, but I'm going to flip town and you're going to be very glad you did talk with me.

On May 22 2013 10:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:
With the focus on BH today, I feel a lot of players are taking the safe path today by not posting much and coasting to the vote. Very scummy.

On May 22 2013 11:13 grush57 wrote:

scumslip?
if all scum dead game ends.

/dunked

On May 22 2013 13:03 goodkarma wrote:




Thanks for your quick response, but there really isn't much for me to address here. When you mention the role PM thing I'm assuming you're saying you think I was lying, which I've already addressed. My read on you had some very valid points. How is what I said about you garbage when you BLATANLY misrepresent your read on sputnik, and mis-speak who you're talking about on MULTIPLE occasions? At the very least, that is a CLEAR sign of a lack of investment in this game.

As for 3P stuff, BH is getting lynched today, and when I do present my case I would like to do it right. I'm not going to rush it because you're angwy. I probably should have just kept it to myself until I post it, as this kind of thing inevitably happens, but rest assured it will be out there long before it needs to be considered for next lynch.

As for this popping in and out thing, I don't respond to everything. Especially when arguements I've already replied to are similar to the ones being brought up now (such as stupid meta cases), or the answer to the questions are in my filter but people are too damned ignorant/lazy to look into it. And I may not be the most super-active guy in thread right now, but I'm comfortable with the direction of the game (outside of course this sentiment that I'm scum). Dandel and JJB should be lynched. I will be providing a bit more discussion on Dandel, but JJB has been discussed to death by both myself and others here in thread. And the 3P thing I'll get to during next night cycle.

On May 23 2013 02:04 Blazinghand wrote:
So you think GK is scum, and you agree with my case

On May 23 2013 07:15 Stutters695 wrote:

Remember DP was RB'd. It depends on the setup but that could potentially invalidate him as SK.

On May 23 2013 10:48 yamato77 wrote:

What do you think about Marv?

I think we've obviously arrived at the conclusion that GK and Dandel are mafia, so let's talk about something else.

On May 23 2013 10:55 s0Lstice wrote:
Vayne just come here and cuddle with me we'll fix this

On May 23 2013 11:03 yamato77 wrote:

Marv is "pro-town" as mafia as well, so that doesn't mean much to me.

I feel like you've constantly dodged contributing with this idea that your NK analysis is so important. Your stance on the day 1 lynch was also weird and seems suspicious in that you come in at the eleventh hour just to berate town for bandwagoning on a lurker without giving any reason we shouldn't lynch him.

On May 24 2013 09:11 marvellosity wrote:
Do the maths yourself, Vayne.

On May 24 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:


Ok. So if you did the maths yourself you know why I'm pushing this lynch. Silly boy

On May 24 2013 14:39 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm watching LOL allstar matches. But i will be checking in periodically if anyone wants to chat.

On May 24 2013 15:14 DarthPunk wrote:


Probably need to take a look at s0lstice and rayne. I went through spicy's filter and tried to see any crumbs for his checks. Didn;t see anything. I could use a fresh set of eyes though if you want to take a look.

On May 22 2013 13:14 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Thank you for confirming you are scum. You aren't going to rush your analysis because I'm angry? First of all I'm not angry and for you to assume so is scummy. You are artificially creating an excuse to not give out information. You say that BH is going to be lynched but want to wait to give out more info... why? Why not try to find out if there is a 3p killer now and not in the next cycle.

Oh and my read on sputnik? dead on

At this point I'm more sure that GK is scum more than I am BH.

##vote: goodkarma

On May 25 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
Stutters might actually be mafia, he's blatantly not reading the thread.

On May 25 2013 15:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

It does matter. Who would you say is 4th scum? I'm interested to hear.

Hell while you're at it, what makes me scummy? And solstice?

On May 26 2013 03:40 goodkarma wrote:


What exactly is this remark supposed to mean? I get that you hate martyrs, I really do. You've remarked on it a few times now, but my understanding is that we're hunting for scum. And this remark seems to imply that you like my post enough that you'd consider me not being lynchworthy, if only I'd make more posts like it? It's a little hard for me to wrap my head around this... So your verdict is I'm scum, but your verdict is that post makes me look town?

Perhaps I'm overcomplicating your post here, but it just doesn't feel like you're fully invested in pushing my mislynch with remarks like this one.

Further, while perhaps "martyring" is a pet peave of yours, invalidating yourself as useless / "a joke" is something that I look at as a scum trait. What purpose does this remark about you being perceived as a joke have to do with trying to win this game? Absolutely none... What it leaves me with is the feeling that you are trying to invaldate your own play, and as I just said that's a scum trait...

Also, apparently WoS is scum in your eyes because he "shit up the thread the moment people started unvoting BH?" From what I read, that looks to be BH's logic. Have you looked at anything he's done past that point, and has that done anything for your read?

While we're at it, can you run through exactly how Solstice is scum other than this "my gut tells me so" thing? You're like "please reference my filter" in multiple places... When I look through what I pull up is this:



And then some really really old stuff from day one. So WoS asked you, and I will too: could you please elaborate on this guy?

What also concerns me is that you seem to be taking stances on people as scumreads, and then just sitting on it. Your reads don't look like they evolve much at all as the game progresses, and more stuff is posted...

On May 27 2013 05:59 Stutters695 wrote:
In case I get shot I'd really look at GK. We're probably fucked but look into him. He's constantly skating around lynches when he should be dead

On May 27 2013 07:47 marvellosity wrote:
My money is on GK being SK, and he claimed roleblock yesterday to make it look like he couldn't be SK.

Mafia know who SK is because possibly mafia don't have a roleblocker, or if they did they didn't use it on GK.

I think Stutters jailed GK.

On May 27 2013 07:53 marvellosity wrote:


Yeah, and neither DP or I were roleblocked, which is where Stutters' first two night actions came from (I'm assuming). We're pretty obvious protect targets, and I told the JK to jail offensively tonight, so I'm assuming he did so.

The thing about killing the SK is that it likely means that mafia win after the night kill.

On May 21 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
I highly doubt there's two town QT-makers. Further, I doubt Rayne was vigi'd, meaning that the presence of three scum and a serial killer is possible. Therefore, BH is likely scum.

##Vote: BH

On May 28 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote:
Marv--

That stuff all paints him as pretty scummy. I'm not sure that there's anything specific that says SK over mafia though. You raise a good point in regards to how he hasn't said much of anything about the SK since he said he had a theory and never shared it (presumably because of the whole Dandel thing).

When you get back, let me know where you ended up on JJD.

@GK

Who is the SK?

@Vayne

You are no longer allowed to get away with this



GK called you on it already, and you have not satisfactorily explained. We are waaaaay too late into this game for you to not have some ammo behind your scum reads. Explain better, or I'm going to assume it's just a scummy placeholder and you are scum.

On May 28 2013 14:36 WaveofShadow wrote:

How am I the least suspected of the people you've named? You and BH have been on my dick constantly. That's besides the point though. Yes we do lose if JJD flips town but he WON'T.

Think about it this way: even if the three of us voting JJD right now were all scum, why toss all of our votes in the ring and implicate ourselves this early, one after the other, when people like you have plenty of time to point it out? Why not wait and see where the rest of thread sentiment goes and see if just one townie sheeps Wave, the ringleader, and then safely jump on near the end of the day for the win?

Like, you're describing just horrendous scumplay, even for LYLO.

On May 29 2013 00:59 DarthPunk wrote:
I am willing to lynch GK for consolidation etc. we all need to consolidate so there are no last minute scum switches.

On May 30 2013 06:04 marvellosity wrote:
WoS had me fooled though.