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On May 17 2013 23:10 marvellosity wrote: 00:00 GMT (+00:00) is perfect for me but I'm pretty flexible. There's no perfect time for asia + US + Europe, but Americans make up the large majority of the playerbase so realistically they need to be catered for the most That works for me too. | ||
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WoS: Well I am totes town Iamp thanks for asking! Iamp: Let's be friends! WoS: RAINBOWS! Enter DP Dp: This is fucking retarded. Enter Marvellosity Marv: Don't listen to DP he is bad Entire Town: Sheep marv! THE END. | ||
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On May 18 2013 02:38 iamperfection wrote: you see to have some self esteem issues dp. Now would you be more likely to bring them up if you were town or scum. Overall i would say you would be more likely to bring them up as scum. Obviously not super alignment indicative but....... if you are town dont be a little bitch Lol what? | ||
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On May 18 2013 02:42 Stutters695 wrote: WoS clearly scum because he asked questions instead.of sharing any info. On a more serious note, what's up guys? Heya. You gonna lurk this game? Please say no. | ||
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On May 18 2013 02:43 iamperfection wrote: you basically said what you do doesn't matter and everyone will sheep marv. ( Which isnt true) Regardless you little woe to yourself is somewhat scummy in my view. Why would a townie come in with an attitude that what they say doesn't matter? you scum Iamp? Seems like you are taking something completely the wrong way and trying to paint it in the very worst possible light. | ||
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On May 18 2013 02:49 iamperfection wrote: explain to me whats wrong about my argument or what is scummy about it OK. I was clearly joking around. Then you take one part of that post where marv calls me bad and the town sheeps marv as me saying i don't think what i say matters. Clearly I didn't say that at all. I was poking fun at the many times marv has called me bad in the past and towns propensity for sheeping marv. The fact you are 'interpreting' things the way you are is scummy. How do you interpret WoS shouting RAINBOWS! in that same post? That must be a super secret scum tell too surely? | ||
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On May 18 2013 02:57 Stutters695 wrote: So why bring up you've never rolled scum? There is no reason to believe it currently. Ask WoS, for some reason people who have never rolled scum do that quite often. It isn't alignment indicative from experience. | ||
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On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote: stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time? OOHHH Let me. As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks. | ||
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On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote: Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk. Not the first, nor the last time that phrase will be heard in this forum. | ||
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The shit between Blazinghand and marv is a waste of time and the longer it goes on the more I will be suspicious of the person who keeps arguing. Neither of them are getting lynched day one barring some unforeseen situation which they both well know. They are both null right now. On May 18 2013 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright ladies and gents ill be back later, keep up the good work. RAINBOWS!!!! LOL. OK i'll keep reading. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Also I dont want to lynch him because I hate lynching day one, accidentally bringing out a PR role is literally such a bad start that it can be almost impossible to recover from if its a strong role. Also take into account simple probability, whats the chances of us finding scum based on no real evidence? 25%. I would never take those chances would you? Just saying people catch mafia day one all the time. Me for instance. And marv. Blazinghand likes to make cases on his mason partner day one. Oh. Yeah. The point is that you can totally catch people day one. It's not even difficult. Looking at the game as pure chance is fallacious. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote: Ok. btw people can semi-ignore me until tomorrow when I'm more sober, but my current thought is this: vayne is probably town because he's constantly answered me in a pretty consistent manner. this isn't a certain read, but meh, maybe we should be looking somewhere else today. he seems to be saying some really weird shit that he genuinely believes in without being scared of it. yes? I don't like this post. It is filled to the brim with trepidation. Not the usual i don't give a fuck attitude that marv possess. The post makes a solid conclusion even with all the parts where he is hinting for people to not listen to him. He basically has to say that at this point though because it is so obvious that VA is town. Blazinghand says the same thing in his very next post and any good player will be able to tell IMO. If marv hadn't de-tunnelled at this point it would have been super suspect. I don't want to get into yet another tunnel on marv so early, but because of this post we should pay extra special attention to him. | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote: I'm kinda interested in DarthPunk. no real reason. say what you all? What the fuck? Can you explain this at all. | ||
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On May 18 2013 12:24 s0Lstice wrote: DP, since you're here, and I'm catching up with you...do you know off-hand which games contain similar Marv meltdowns as we saw today? I know Personality was brought up...LVIII I think (where he was modkilled), and mebbe Rockband? The game in which he was modkilled is a good one. Though not an insignificant time investment to read. Shit like that (raging) is basically super easy to fake though and marv is aware of his meta. I would call it null personally. | ||
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On May 18 2013 10:22 grush57 wrote: whoa whoa guys, just because I didn't claim starsenses doesn't mean I'm scum. While it will always be true that when I claim starsenses I will be town, I don't want it to be a 100% meta thing so I'm screwed when i get mafia. I am just gonna claim it when necessary or when I need to to survive from now on, so I don't get botched as scum. Lynch dis man for justice! ##vote: Grush57 | ||
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On May 18 2013 11:26 iamperfection wrote: i guess we have to treat you as town. I implore you to drop the starsenses after this game make a thread dedicated to you shedding it once and for all NO. HIs STARSENSES was basically dragged out of him kicking and screaming. Guy is scum. If he was town he would have said it straight up LIKE EVERY TOWN GAME OF HIS FOR ALL TIME. | ||
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On May 18 2013 11:59 goodkarma wrote: Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell. I think a lot of it can also have to do with graduating into the big wide world of Normals. Takes some time adjusting to all the 'vets' posting about previous games and all the undertones in the byplay as we have all played with each other so much. I'd be happiest to wait and see. Also. Stutters is probably town. And to correct those who said he is useless lurker as town. That is not entirely true. Stutters can be very useful on those rare occasions that he does post. The trick is to just wait and read those few insights that he does provide. I would begin to worry about stutters if he was 100% completely useless. Because normally he is 90% completely useless. Also. @ blazinghand. It is wrong to view stutters as Kush, Kush can say profoundly retarded things. Stutters doesn't, he just lurks. | ||
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On May 18 2013 12:46 s0Lstice wrote: call me cray cray DP but I really think grush is town. get on goodkarma with me Nah. Goodkarma is someone I'm confident in my ability to read. If he is town he is too valuable to lynch day one. If he is scum then it will be obvious later. Sorry. This is like a meta thing. But goodkarma and I have a history. AS to your case. it was pretty average. Like what you said made sense, but it didn't really convince me of GK's alignment either way. That being said. You should check Grush's meta from like every town game of his ever. He always says STARSENSES early as town and unprompted. This game he didn't and it was dragged out of him. Furthermore his explanation that he will only use it to save himself as town from now on is fallacious as everyone will wagon him until he says it regardless. literally grush's only saving grace was the fact that he told the thread his alignment each game. This game he didn't say he was town until he was forced to. And he didn't like it. | ||
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On May 18 2013 12:50 iamperfection wrote: he only had 2 votes on him you don't think he would drag it out a lot more as scum? Yes. I think he did drag it out a lot more. More than every town game of his I have ever seen. he was under duress. It became meaningless as a tell at that point. If he was town he would have said it straight up like always. If he was really not going to use it he would have said something before the game began. I am sure he is aware of how people read him. | ||
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On May 18 2013 13:01 s0Lstice wrote: go look at SSB64, DP he (grush) didn't do it there. just like in that game, the way I eventually thought of him as town is that our reads were more or less lining up Can you link me the game? I can't find it. | ||
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##unvote Can't make a case solely on meta if the meta doesn't hold up. | ||
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If GK was off the table who would you look at next? | ||
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On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on. Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now? You scum bro? | ||
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Aside from grush who would you like to lynch today? | ||
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On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on. Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now? First line Whining about activity. Could be genuine. A lot of times things like that turn out to be scum trying to look more involved than they are. A LOT of fucking wishy-washy statements in that post. None of the fearlessness I would expect from town. A sense of heightened self awareness/Inherent guilt. Because when you KNOW what you are saying is incorrect often scum players will reveal that through the way they continue to give themselves outs from every position they take. It looks like that is what is happening here. dissonance when he calls sputnik obvscum and then says he feels better about his vote in the next post, Like if he is obvs scum what is there to feel better about? Like seriously read that post and almost every time he says something he backs out of it. | ||
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On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote: GK is obviously town. BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight. Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight. For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised. Your a brave brave man. | ||
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On May 18 2013 16:03 yamato77 wrote: If I don't get reads on them early, I'll never go back and do it later on in the game. >_> What do you think about That WoS post? | ||
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On May 18 2013 16:01 yamato77 wrote: Also rayn. All I can remember from that dude is that he popped in and called me town. When he's town, he's usually more active and at the center of attention. Eh he wasn't that active early in his last game as town (carnival cruise). Yet another wait and see for me. | ||
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Every town game of his since August 2012 he has said starsenses at the beginning of the game and flipped town. When Confronted on not doing it he says some variation of this. From LVII On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote: AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET. I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM I FORGOT STARSENSES. From Dessert Every. Single. Game. Starsenses at the start. See for yourselves August 2012 PTP 3 LVII October 2012 LVIII December 2012 Hero Mini January 2013 Dessert Mini LIX February 2013 Fruity Mafia LX March 2013 LXI May 2013 Carnival Cruise Lynch grush because STARSENSES ##Vote: Grush57 | ||
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On May 18 2013 17:02 yamato77 wrote: I don't feel good about lynching grush just because of STSRSENSES. Would he really ruin all of his future town games just to survive past day 1 in this game? Idk. He is objectively scummy, as per his insistence on voting Vayne despite thread sentiment, and his obviously bad OMGUS vote. I have very mixed feelings about grush. If he refused to say it he would be insta lynched. He really didn't want to say it regardless it was dragged out of him. Unlike the other games where he just says he forgot. Furthermore. Why would he care now about his future mafia games now when he hasn;t for the past 10 months? This is like the most basic meta case you can find. If someone does something exactly the same as town and then doesn't, you fucking lynch them. | ||
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But yeah I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching him day one on 'bad' play. Look at the starts of mario and paranoia for bad BH play. | ||
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On May 18 2013 17:10 yamato77 wrote: Maybe he just didn't want to have to use it this game? If we ignore STARSENSES altogether, I would feel better about lynching him. There are plenty of bad posts in his filter. NO He used it for the last 10 months every time. He doesn't not say it one day 'just cause' | ||
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On May 18 2013 17:18 yamato77 wrote: I can see where you're coming from, I suppose. If there's no better lynch when I look at the game tomorrow, I would be fine lynching him. What do you think about Marv? Marv doesn't look good. But I tunnelled him the last two times I played with him and was wrong so I am trying to be restrained this time. I think I made a post which said marv didn't look good. He said he wanted to lynch me for no reason, and hasn't mentioned it since. Ah fuck it. One sec. I didn't like the fact he tried to start like 4 wagons with no explanation at all in the space of like 20 min. On May 18 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote: I'm kinda interested in DarthPunk. no real reason. say what you all? 1 min later after Iamp says i look townie On May 18 2013 08:31 marvellosity wrote: wanna kill blazing, iamp? i'm totally game. 4min later On May 18 2013 08:35 marvellosity wrote: i'm voting for blazing. his stutters case is totally underwhelming. ##vote: blazinghand He unvotes (never votes in voting thread) blazing like 7 min later On May 18 2013 08:51 marvellosity wrote: i can get on a wagon. LOOK AT GRUSH PLEASE PEOPLE, I COULD KILL HIM TOO. ##vote: JJD Votes JJD cause ???? On May 18 2013 08:53 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: grush57 | ||
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On May 18 2013 17:22 WaveofShadow wrote: The focus on grush is retarded imo, he is town because STARSENSES. DP I refuse to put in any more effort attempting to dissuade you or anyone else from a useless mislynch here. One of these things is not like the other. Previous games when forgetting to say starsenses. On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote: AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET. I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM I FORGOT STARSENSES. This game. On May 18 2013 10:22 grush57 wrote: whoa whoa guys, just because I didn't claim starsenses doesn't mean I'm scum. While it will always be true that when I claim starsenses I will be town, I don't want it to be a 100% meta thing so I'm screwed when i get mafia. I am just gonna claim it when necessary or when I need to to survive from now on, so I don't get botched as scum. On May 18 2013 11:04 grush57 wrote: :"( don't do this to me bro On May 18 2013 11:10 grush57 wrote: I said if I don't claim doesn't make me scum. On May 18 2013 11:14 grush57 wrote: last minute I'll claim and then I'll be #1 town play of 2013 On May 18 2013 11:22 grush57 wrote: gaiz only scum try to lynch me STARSENSES herp derp ##Vote: goodkarma This game is not the fucking same as the last 10 months of meta says it should be. | ||
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On May 18 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote: Yeah, when I was reading that part of his filter, I was feeling a bit suspicious of him. What do you make of him claiming he was drunk? Do you think that's a possible explanation for his erratic play? I already posted about that previously. Shit like that makes me suspicious because you are already trying to absolve yourself of responsibility from the things you say whilst you are saying them. Why bother saying anything at all then? | ||
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I don't like the JJD case. He is newly graduated to non-newbies and it can be intimidating which could explain the active lurking. | ||
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On May 18 2013 18:14 Blazinghand wrote: I don't view this as a productive way to think about it. I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players because I haven't seen it end well. Specifically regarding WoS: I could lynch WoS just for this post because of how far he is reaching. But my reads this game aren't as this post is like bad and scummy in every way. Whatever you want to say about GK, the fact that he was the first person to question the VA wagon doesn't make him scum. Yeah I wrote about that exact post. It was the thing that made me first look at WoS. | ||
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On May 18 2013 18:15 Blazinghand wrote: wow I was gonna delete the sentence where i look like an unconfident zerg player but i accidentally left it in. WELP ORLY? You scum BH? | ||
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On May 18 2013 18:16 marvellosity wrote: oh, I finally got up to where DP made a stupid caselet on me based on my vote jumping around, exactly like the ones he's done in my last 3 towngames. DP, do you ever learn? If you read that post you read the start. Where i say i didn't want to do that again. Blame fucking Yamato for baiting me. LOL | ||
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On May 18 2013 18:20 Blazinghand wrote: er, when I feel unconfident I don't want to share it with the thread. WHATEVER YOU GET THE IDEA This fucking blazinghand. | ||
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On May 18 2013 20:37 Dandel Ion wrote: DP, going against the starsenses is a dangerous endeavor. I require you to find a game where grush "fakeclaims" starsenses as scum. Until then, I'm not lynching him. I've done more than my share by diving every game of his for the past 10 months. The way he claimed star senses this game is clearly different. | ||
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On May 18 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote: somehow i missed this at the time. what is this bullpoop? LOL a LIST POST! Dat scumclaim must feel nice for him. | ||
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On May 18 2013 21:04 Dandel Ion wrote: I remember him only claiming it after being under pressure before. And at the end of the day, it's still a meta argument on things that are different than his usual townplay, not things that are like his usual scumplay. These are often bad and wrong arguments. Do you actually think he's scum, or do you just want to policy-lynch him? His last scum game was ages ago and before he started using STARSENSES every game. so there is no scum meta to compare to. And the difference between his starsenses claims are pretty clear if you read my post or the filters I linked. Regardless WoS is the leading wagon atm what are your opinions of him? | ||
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On May 18 2013 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote: lol you fucking guys call me out on thinking a Grush STARSENSES is town and I don't want to vote for him because of that. What absolute horseshit. DP I don't give a shit if the way he claimed it is different, I'm not being a part of what is most likely a mislynch on Grush. Then people complaining about me talking about activity? Want me to fucking explain? I was at a reunion party last night for 6 hours, during which time LXI ended, and the postgame thread exploded, I had to read through the obs QT, and an extra 10 pages in both this game and the other game in which I am currently playing, meanwhile the time when I can actually BE at my computer there is never that much activity to speak of. So yeah, I was fucking complaining, Have at me. Dandel what the fuck have I done that wasn't townie? Every fucking game you people latch onto one post I make that you deem scummy for whatever stupid fucking reason, decide I'm scum, I prove I'm not, and then you fucking ignore me. So goddamn frustrating. I see at least marv seems to share my thoughts about JJD and sputnik being scummy, but then says he wants to tunnel me...alright I guess? What do you have to say? OK fine. Assuming you are town. Who would you like to lynch? | ||
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On May 18 2013 23:00 iamperfection wrote: This would be more of an indication that marv is town than he is scum. Marv is very deliberate as scum and tries to position himself as best as possible. Him running around like a chicken with its head cut off points to more likely being town. Yeah I figure that after the last 3 games or w/e, which is why i said I was trying not to do it. | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:04 grush57 wrote: DP you're pickin and choosing what I said. If I ever claim STARSENSES I will be town. NO MATTER WAHT. AND I DID OKAY? heres some more for ya babe STARSENSES STARSENSES STARSENSES STARSENSES STARSENSES OK. I believe you. But if you are scum and are lying STARSENSES will never work for you again. I hope you understand what that means. Also don't say i pick and chose. I went through 10 months of games to meta that. And those were literally the only two times you forgot to say it. | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Goddamn it Dandel, lol. DP do I still have to explain my townread on Grush? As far as who I want to lynch I've been saying it all game. Right now it's sputnik since he scummed the fuck out of the thread with his first few posts and still hasn't returned or cared to do anything else. If he comes back and somehow proves himself I could move to JJD---speaking of whom are you actually around or 'active lurking,' as you've been accused of? Cause I has some questions for yas. Yes. You do have to explain because the first time he said starsenses was not adequate and under duress. The problem I am having is that you were SOOOOOO confident in your read, calling it a mislynch or w/e when I sure as fuck was not confident about it. Which prompted me to do research and after that was still not confident about grush. Yet you were for no reason at all as far as I can see. The first STARSENSES is not an acceptable reason. | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:15 Spicydinosaur wrote: As someone who hasn't played with grush before, his filter looks terrible. The whole starsenses meta argument doesn't seem helpful at all. The majority of his posts are just complete spam aside from his voting on vayne. Overall even if he is town, he's not helping. Would you like to lynch him? WTF are you actually saying here? | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:23 Spicydinosaur wrote: My point is that from my view his posts are completely pointless and devoid of any true content, yet others are OK with him being town simply based on meta. I want to see him post more quality stuff or I will put my vote on him. So you will vote for him even though everyone else says he is town? Have you read the posts speaking about his meta and his use of STARSENSE as a town claim that has been true for the last~15 games? | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote: My input from what I have read I appreciate the defense and all but could you explain why you brought this up after it was buried under the rug? it would help me a lot in reading you, thanks in advance. Also post your best lynch as of now if you would be so kind. You are one of the most reasonable players here from what I have seen so I really want to know that you aren't scum. I was just commenting on things that stood out to me as I read the thread. (i was like 20 pages behind or something) That stood out to me as incredibly townie so I mentioned it because people were calling you out at that point. Later people (correctly) viewed you as not a good lynch candidate. But i didn't know that when I posted. I was looking at grush and WoS for lynches. Grush is not a good lynch anymore, and WoS could sway me depending on the way he answers my questions. So probably Sputnik theory, WoS or Rayn right now. Sputnik for being all weird and lurky. And Rayn for just being lurky. | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:34 Spicydinosaur wrote: Yeah I read the post, and didnt really sway me. His posts in this game haven;t been informative at all which is the criteria I determine if someone is town. OK. let me put it this way. If someone does something 100 times. And then does it a 101st time. How likely is it that the 101st time is different than the previous 100? | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:39 Dandel Ion wrote: You'll never be able to read grush then, just fyi. It's not really a read if he just tells everyone his alignment either game. | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote: DP there is nothing else to say about grush. I don't give a shit about the difference bewteen the first STARSENSES and the second, it means he's town and that's it. Now either vote me for it or don't, but let's fucking move on and catch some scum. If you choose not to vote me, who is your op read atm? I am voting for you. You were way to confident in your grush read for a townie. And I am asking you repeatedly to explain why because If I am ever going to see you as town I need to understand how your read of grush could come from a townie. At the moment you are being very unhelpful so my vote is staying where it is. | ||
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On May 19 2013 00:50 Spicydinosaur wrote: This goes back to the beginning of the game when i gave s0Lstice some shit for posting about his game history being all town. It's the same type of argument. What really helps get scum is to get people's opinions, have people take sides, and see if they defend them. grush hasn't done this and it bothers me. Thats fine. As long as you spend some of your time looking at other people and don't tunnell grush all game that is all we can ask for. | ||
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This post for example contains all the fundamental issues I had with WoS in an earlier post. On May 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: You tempt me, good sir, but I dunno your cases don't seem....fleshed out enough? In your Gk case explain how the meta reads are false for example. Also Dandel scumread? Interesting. As far as marv goes I believe his explanation was that JJD has played his games and doesn't get a newbie pass to lurk the way he has? I agree with this to some extent but I also agree with what GK said that it seems more likely for JJD to come back and actually do something later in the game than sputnik who was satisfied to scum up the thread and then fuck off. Like here he is 'tempted' to join the goodkarma wagon? like wtf is that? You either vote for goodkarma cause you think he is scum. Or you don't because you don't know. I don't know how you could be tempted to join a wagon as town, especially when you in the next sentence say you agree with GK about something. And marv BTW at the same time. on two different sides of a position. Regardless I think it's probably best to once again take a wait and see approach to WoS i'm sure if he is scum he will slip up somewhere, and I would rather not lynch someone who clearly gives a shit about the game. ##unvote ok Gonna continue catching up with the thread. | ||
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On May 19 2013 06:31 marvellosity wrote: DP - I'm not so sure I like this WoS wagon anymore. What say you? Yeha. For the moment It's not a good lynch. | ||
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On May 19 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote: Wave - I hosted goodkarma's first (I think?) newbie game, number 24. In this game, in the first 2 days, town had massive problems with consolidation, despite it being plurality lynch. Votes were spread all over the place. Only on day 3 did GK understand the value of consolidation (even in plurality). So that point doesn't ring true to me, just because I know goodkarma was taught a serious lesson about consolidation. You can go read his filter from there, or perhaps you could read my post-game analysis there where I touch on the same things. Yeah I was in that game. I can completely understand a town GK wanting to consolidate in plurality. Consolidating in plurality is not about getting a lynch off. It's about getting the RIGHT lynch off. Anyway, GK is NOT a good lynch today. I am confident in my ability to read him as the game goes on and his ability to prove his townieness. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:09 iamperfection wrote: This is my current thinking 1. Stutters695- very null I feel like im watching a rerun of a cartoon i have seen like 6 times. If he says yo im going to busy for the next 8 hours catch you later i will reach through the computer and bitch slap him 2. iamperfection- Innocent child 3. grush57- Starsenses- he can be vigged though the point that i had to drag it out of him makes sense. Plus he is useless anyways. 4. Blazinghand- Very null. May suffer from sudden amnesia. nothing he has done has shown me that oh shit bh clearly thinking deeply and clearly about the game. I have seen bh derp it up before as town but generally he is super involved even when he is derping it up and im just not getting that feel from him of his overall commitment to town 5. WaveofShadow- i dont know- He dosnt seem that scummy to me reading his filter. Activity is ok seems to care to me probally should have a town read on him 6. JarJarDrinks- summyish more like null though- Has been generally inactive. It was wierd when he was confused on what i meant earlier with him and bh. I dont know what to make of that 7. goodkarma- scum- It seems like to me he is going from easy target to easy target. I dont see much interaction with town it seems he is more interested in trying to justify why he is voting for some or why he is voting then actually trying to figure things out. has been not very active and if you look at the filter i dont see the interaction with town that i would think you would see from a town player. Focused on justification more than figuring it out it looks to me. 8. yamato77- null- want to know why he thinks gk is town because i dont see it. 9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me. 10. VayneAuthority- town- Seems to be making a spectacle of himself thats a townie trait. I ignore most of his posts though 11. sputnik.theory- Scum- THe only thing that bothers me is that he claim vt for good knows what reason which is confusing if he were to be scum. The rest of his filter is complete shit. List post general inactivity not hunting scum. 12. marvellosity-town Our mind meld when we posted the same exact thought about bh's point about jar jar makes me think he is town. Been generally active and seems to care. Probably should only be suspicious of him if i die over him. If that were to happen lean on him heavily for support to figure out the game. If he gets lazy stab him in the back. 13. Spicydinosaur-town Went against thread sentiment with his thoughts on grush would be weird to do that as scum with everyone against him. marv had a point to i guess you can use that lesser argument as well for evidence that he is town. 14. Dandel Ion -town- i Didn't think his shit fest with marv made him scum at all and all his posts in general seem to have been pretty reasonable to me. 15. DarthPunk- town- His pressure on wos seems sincere i also liked his quick answer to my pressure in the beginning. No reason to not think he is town at the moment. 16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though LIST POST!!! OMDG LYNCH DIS MAN. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, this guy claimed scum. ##Unvote; ##Vote: iamperfection ggyo LoL this is like so townie to me. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:38 iamperfection wrote: wathever if we have a vig rayn is good target he is speaking nonsense and nonsense is the number one target for vigs. Nah. He is town bro. Yes he is talking nonsense. But that be some townie nonsense. | ||
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Yamato? Still around? How do you feel about a straight up lurker/weirdness lynch on Sputnik? ##Vote: Sputnik Theory | ||
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On May 19 2013 09:26 Spicydinosaur wrote: I'm reading raynpelikoneet as a shitty town. He claimed that GK was scum and supported it with a number of points in a couple of posts. This may not be the best argument but at least he's supporting his position. However he then goes off the rails with iamperfection after he gives his quick view of the group. This seems more like a impulse child vote than anything throwing a hissy fit because he feels his play is on a different level. There is a clear difference in the mentality that went into the voting of GK and iamp. Seems very spammy for spammy sake. Who do you want to lynch. I agree with you on Rayn being shitty town. What I want to know is who is getting the noose. I suggest you take a look at sputnik for being a solid lynch for today. | ||
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On May 19 2013 10:51 yamato77 wrote: What about Dandel, DP? Any thoughts on him? Yeah. I want to avoid a flame war with him. Because we don't like each other. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:32 Dandel Ion wrote: Hey guys this thread looks extraordinarily dumb and only dumb shit is happening and I am extremely uninterested in everything that's happened so far. I just was like "oh yeah another thread that's as full of irrelevant bs as Personality*, that gotta be FUN" so I just HAD to replace in. Now I shall read my role PM. Or shall I? I guess I shall, but I'm not decided yet! This is something I just remembered. How many of you have replaced into a game before? I have several times and every single time I have recieved my role PM along with permission to start posting in the thread. I find it hard to believe Dandel did not read his role PM cause he was replacing in. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:10 yamato77 wrote: He also then goes on to claim scum. Seems like standard Dandel trolling, no? Or do you think he's actually mafia making jokes like this? Well he trolled as scum in a game I believe, but could do so as either alignment. But yeah I think he was probably not telling the truth about his role PM. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:32 yamato77 wrote: I don't feel like that, in particular, is alignment indicative. It's not fucking useful. But your probably right. Still. after that big entrance there isn't much to say in regards to Dandel. Doubt He is on the cards for a lynch today either. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:54 Blazinghand wrote: i'd lynch the shit out of jarjar Let's lynch the shit out of blazinghand for doing sweet fuck all after the wagon on him fell off. Like seriously. Read his filter. There was a wagon on BH. He did shit. The wagon fell off. He stopped doing shit. ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On May 19 2013 12:08 Blazinghand wrote: lol Lazy blazinghand is scum blazinghand. | ||
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On May 19 2013 12:11 yamato77 wrote: I could lynch the man with the fiery digits. Do eeettt. | ||
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On May 19 2013 12:38 Blazinghand wrote: come on guys balls air etc NO idea what this means. | ||
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Liek Goodkarma does over explain votes all the time. The wagon on Blzing was sound. So now we all want to lynch Gk for agreeing? There are different scenarios here Gk scum, BH town Gk wants to join a popular wagon but feels the need to over explain his vote due to inherent guilt. BH scum, GK town. Gk sees a good wagon and hopes on and explains thoroughly because it is 'good play' or whatever. They both town and are playing like shit. They both scum and are playing like shit The point is I can completely envision a scenario in which a town Goodkarma is doing what he is doing. I have far more difficulty reconciling blazinghand's play with town blazinghand. | ||
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On May 19 2013 13:42 Blazinghand wrote: o have fight reconciling you're gave PLz just shut the fuck up until you decide to stop doing whatever it is you are doing. Also you just flipped scum in | ||
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On May 19 2013 13:49 iamperfection wrote: um... we have plenty of time all i need is 5 minutes to kill someone I'm not going to be around because the deadline is fucking retarded for me. | ||
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On May 19 2013 13:52 VayneAuthority wrote: I honestly can't get behind that after what goodkarma did, you don't think mafia is just bussing the shit out of him as a lost cause? At least Blazing can pressure people in later days if he stops posting weird shit. They must have been bussing him pretty early. He has been a popular target for what feels like a while. One thing though. GOODKARMA READ YOUR FUCKING ROLE PM /facepalm | ||
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On May 19 2013 13:53 Blazinghand wrote: plz font anointment I have so much tonlive for LYNCH THIS SCUM FFS. | ||
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On May 19 2013 13:58 goodkarma wrote: Since I know you're probably all too biased / lazy at this point to check, below is the link to the QT I was referring. http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ShgdcVjPdDv Post #3 This is my meta for day one I've adopted. Feel free to think I'm lying if you want, but this was my last game I played and I've done the same thing here. If it is seriously true that you are not reading your role PM day one you should stahp. | ||
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On May 19 2013 15:12 yamato77 wrote: Okay, let's switch back. Hopefully some other townies jump in and realize what's going on. My estimation of TL towns has crashed and burned recently. Lets just hope people read the thread. | ||
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On May 19 2013 16:45 goodkarma wrote: In my last two games with a role like what BH claimed, the role was mafia aligned. I don't see how him using the power he's claimed proves he's town. In any case, I'll get together a neat little list post in case I'm mislynched today. I've read my PM now, and it says I'm town. Don't often see mafia masons in mini's but you are right. | ||
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If he continues to be useless and has unproductive mason logs then we lynch the shit out of him later. | ||
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##Vote: JJD I'll be around until i fall asleep. Then i'll be on after deadline. For the record GK could totally be scum, I just prefer to give him one more cycle. | ||
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On May 19 2013 22:09 iamperfection wrote: .......................................................................wat What? Wat? | ||
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On May 19 2013 22:15 iamperfection wrote: BH what did you claim mason ic? What is that Town blazinghand. i've seen him in situations like this before. See Mario Mini. | ||
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On May 19 2013 22:20 iamperfection wrote: There is a difference between claiming mason and jk. I don't know if I believe bh Well it is possible to verify if he is a mason. just tell him who to mason with and verify that. It IS possible he is a scum aligned mason. but i am not sure how likely that is in a mini. Either way i think it is best to wait and see when it comes to BH. I would like to hear more from marv to be honest. Marv what do you think of blazinghand? | ||
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On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote: We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO | ||
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On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote: Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN. I don't get why you are pushing this so hard. | ||
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On May 20 2013 00:00 Dandel Ion wrote: Why would he not play exactly the same as scum too? It's not like it's hard footsteps to follow, eh? OK. Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum. Sputnik is KNOWN to lurk as town and ???? as scum. Therefore there is no reason to believe sputnik lurking has anything at all to do with his alignment. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: Here's where I point out that BH changed his mind about vayne for basically no reason @ all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=29#562 He jumped on vayne for his (admittedly terrible) views on how to play day 1. But what made him change his mind? And it wasn't just "Oh hmm, maybe he isn't scum". He totally 180'd and started telling people they should stop voting for vayne. Go back and read from the time BH voted vayne to when he unvoted: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=14#267 There was nothing vayne said in his later posts that are much different in his earlier posts when BH had him pegged as scum. WHat I think happened is that BH realized how scummy it was to jump on Vayne for his terrible play. Like, check out this post from yamato: The next post BH made was his unvote. And rereading his filter, Look @ some of his reasons for his votes. He votes for iamp for flaming. He votes you for calling him out on why that's a terrible reasoning. Even saying: "yeah marv definitely scum". Then he votes for stutters pointing out how stutters said he could jump on Vayne lynch. Uh, isn't that exactly what he did? Seems pretty clear to me that he just keeps throwing shit around hoping something sticks and he doesn't really care who gets lynched. Seems pretty clear to me that you are scum and as such are far too attached to your wagon. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:22 JarJarDrinks wrote: Stop Lying. I'm KNOWN to lurk on the weekends. The last game I played started on the weekend. I was town and got voted off day 1 because of lurking. My activity is always gonna be alot better during the week once I'm sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours. I coached your scum game. Marv hosted it. I think we know what we are talking about. any quit with the excuses and make a case on someone that isn't blazinghand. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: I like how you turn it around and say I'm making excuses and not calling you out for lying. You said that I'm known to not lurk as town. I pointed out how my last game I was voted out as town for lurking. So no, you don't know what you're talking about. Or you're purposefully misrepresenting the facts. marv said you played a town game in which you were active. I believe marv. MY only PERSONAL knowledge of your games is your one scum game. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote: It's called fucking sleeping. Would you like a breakdown of my sleep schedule? Go to bed at 9PM EST because I'm fucking exhausted, wake up at 2AM to feed my 5 month old child, fuck around a bit, read threads, post a little, go to bed, wake up now. Better? I'm almost done so keep your tits firmly attached. LOL its your tits i'm worried about. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote: DP, I really don't like your meta comparison with sputnik. Sure he was inactive and got modkilled, but that's not really what I'm looking at at least. In the game in the database, he made one, er, "trolly/fun" (? bad description maybe) post but then all of his subsequent posts were on the ball, talking about the game, calmly written. He asked about mayors running, he gave his preference (none :p) on the candidates, he gave his opinion. In this game he's yapped around in some weird Les Mis character I guess and offered no opinions on anything, other than a silly little list post. I think the use of meta here to clear his play is completely incorrect. it was purely activity based, and he was vig shot in that game not modkilled. JJD has done nothing also. If JJD does something I am fine with switching. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote: You can't meta activity on one previous game, because it doesn't support or deny anything. OK there are two useless players. Player 1 I expect nothing from Player 2 I expect something from Until player 2 meets my expectations I want to lynch him over player 1. | ||
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On May 20 2013 01:53 JarJarDrinks wrote: Obviously I think he's lying, otherwise I wouldn't still be voting vor him. He claimed after everyone started voting him to try and save himself. I'd assume that's a standard scum play. If I had to choose for someone else to be lynched, I'd pick grush. Here's a slight case I posted against him: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2013 21:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: So, in case I'm missing anything: this STARSENSES thing: I get that it's something grush usually says and didn't this game. Is there more to it than that or is that about it? I'd think that'd be a pretty dumb scum mistake if that's all it is. Though he'd obviously know all that so I don't think I'd read anything into it. HOWEVER, looking @ his filter, I'm trying to see if there's anything that looks townie about him. First he tells sputnik that he's playing textbook scum but when I ask about it he says he sounds noob town. The only other insight he offered was jumping on vayne. The reason I questioned him here is it just sounds like he knows sputnik is town and playing bad. Not quite as sure about him as I am BH, but he's my second choice. Serious Question. Have you been reading the thread? | ||
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On May 20 2013 02:10 s0Lstice wrote: Oy the claim ##unvote All things considered, I'd be down with a sputnik lynch. I'm a little worried he rolled blue, and that's what his 'VT claim' was, but I have a history of being derpy around blues. Outside of that though there's nothing in his filter that I like and he's useless. Don't want to lynch GK today, already said why. Don't think I want to lynch JarJar....he is capable of being a perfectly active little townie from what I'm seeing in the game Marv was talking about. He says during the week he will do better, so I want to wait and see on him. Need to read up on Dandel, that's what I'm gonna do now. This is a good point actually. Im fine lynching him later if he doesn't drastically improve. ##unvote: ##Vote Sputnik | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:22 Blazinghand wrote: Just to be clear: I have a town-read on marv. I Masoned him because he's the guy i'll be most productive with also I would have preferred it if you had masoned someone the town agreed on to prevent shenanigans personally. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote: Interesting, but not really relevant. There's no choice more optimal than Marv. We work well together, he's smart, he's active and is around all the time, and I have a townread on him. He may not be as townread-ey to me as you are, but I don't interact well with you and my time wouldn't be as well-spent. If you think there are shenanigans going on, and want to posit a Marv+BH scumteam, come at us bro I mean it is not impossible for you to be scum together is it. Regardless tomorrow night you can mason someone we pre determine if it comes to that. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:33 Blazinghand wrote: or I could just mason someone who I want to mason. get off my balls. by Night3 I'm confirmed town anyways, i'll just mason a different person each night What the fuck. HOW ARE YOU SO CONFIDENT THAT THERE ARE THREE MAFIA WHEN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THERE TO BE FOUR MAFIA? | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:34 Blazinghand wrote: also there could be 4 scum instead of 3 scum which I guess makes more sense for a 16 player game You fucking slipped bro. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:34 Blazinghand wrote: also there could be 4 scum instead of 3 scum which I guess makes more sense for a 16 player game This. Is exactly what he does when he slips as scum. Says it himself so it doesn't look so bad. IT IS STILL AS SLIP. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:38 Blazinghand wrote: Scumslips don't exist etc etc Well, I guess I'm not getting shot tonight any more. Yes they fucking do as you should well know. You had more information than you should and used that to form an argument. And you fucking noticed immediately because you are hyper aware of your image as scum. LOL that is like a fucking scum claim right there. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:39 Blazinghand wrote: God it's gonna be so hard to get DP off my balls now. I dun stepped in it. Come on man, that's not even a scumslip. It fucking is a scumslip. I HAVE MADE THAT EXACT MISTAKE BEFORE AS SCUM. You immediately trying to cover your tracks in the exact way you explained previously that you did as scum makes it even more fucking idiot proof that you are scum. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:46 Blazinghand wrote: Mario Mini Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16895808 I know scumslips are real, having made them myself and by catching mafia with them, and i can tell the difference between something a townie could make and scum could make. Furthermore a townie wouldn't work so fast in covering their tracks. I would expect a townie to be like WTF??!?!? in a similar way that WoS reacted to me calling you out. You reacted in the exact same way you said you did as scum in the post game for "the game?". When you say something scummy you try and immediately call it out yourself so as people can;t call you out for it. Obviously I am not going to convince you you are scum. So I am ending this discussion. I will talk to townies about this. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote: So the scumslip is based on the fact that you'd only be masoning other scum players..? What? Oh wait I think I get it...basically your assumption was that DP thought you were fakeclaiming mason. Alright makes sense. DP it seems really unlikely that BH would fakeclaim mason for the reasons he stated. He's right in that he'd basically have to be scum mason to be even remotely safe with that claim. Are you absolutely sure he's scum just based on the perceived slip? NO. The scumslip is this. I wanted BH to mason someone of the towns choosing so as to confirm he was a mason beyond all doubt. He then said he would be confirmed town after 3 nights because that would be the point that he was going to mason more people than were in his scum team implying extra knowledge of a scum team of 3. This is a slip because. He knows the size of the scum team. (3) The obvious scum team size assumption is 4 in a 16 player game. He then fucking tries to cover it up by saying this himself which he has just recently stated that is exactly how he deals with stuff that makes him look scummy in a recent postgame. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:58 Blazinghand wrote: Despite the fact that you have a very warped view of my play this past page and a half, yes, the alleged "scumslip" is that I assumed the size of the scumteam was 3 rather than 4. You stated it as a fact. Saying you would be 'confirmed town' when in fact you would be confirmed mason. and not even including the possibility of other scumteam sizes. You then have an Oh Fuck! moment when you realize how badly you fucked up. And begin damage control. this is about as blatant a slip as you can expect. Also you not believing in scumslips doesn't mean they don't exist and certainly doesn't mean you didn't slip. Add this slip on to already scummy play which almost got blazinghand lynched last cycle I feel 100% confident we should lynch blazinghand tomorrow. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:04 Blazinghand wrote: In fact, given that there's probably 4 scum, you might even call that post a "townslip" Bullshit. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote: DP, trying to think through this. You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Maybe I didn't explain it well DP, but I get the scumslip now. I can think of an interesting way to add support to this. Has anyone ever played in a game or can give evidence of a 16-person game with only 3 scum? Obviously this could be the first but yeah I always assume scum make up 1/4 of the total count. Exactly. Blazinghand knows this and yet was operating under the knowledge of a 3 man scum team. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:37 Blazinghand wrote: Wow if I get lynched for that I'm never gonna live it down am I Look at this post. I am going after him like a rabid dog and instead of calling me bad/stupid like a townie who had not slipped at all would do he makes it seem as if it is HIS FAULT if he gets lynched. IF HE DIDN'T SLIP WHY WOULD HE BE AT FAULT FOR HIS LYNCH? he knows it would be his fault because he fucking slipped. He fucked up and knows it, thus will 'never live it down.' Inherent guilt and knowledge of his own fuck up. Lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote: Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote: The point is, I finally got my head above the flood of jub-jubbery in this thread and then I fucked up and scumslipped (as town, mind you!) Like you gotta admit if you did this as town you'd feel that same way nope. I would call you all fucking idiots because I didn't scumslip if I was town. or act confused like WoS was initially. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:10 WaveofShadow wrote: It wasn't...rhetorical I was serious. Because honestly it wouldn't even make sense to me that there are 3 scum in this game, so if someone can find an example it would lend more credence to the scumslip theory. I also would like to hear what the rest of town thinks about this but I imagine this isn't exactly an active time for most people? oh. If there are only 3 scum there is probably 3rd party. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait, what? Are you calling me scum too here? Who is 'all?' If I slipped as town I would call you all fucking idiots. 'all' being those accusing me. Don't know how you can get me calling you scum from that. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote: Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. The confirmed town part is meaningless. It doesn't mean anything. Both scum and town like to call themselves confirmed town. And if Blazinghand was 'playing' the role of town mason then it makes sense to call himself confirmed town because he is trying to emulate the mindset of a real town mason. Regardless the confirmed town part is peripheral to the real slip and is meaningless in determining blazinghands alignment or the validity of his slip. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Because you said as town you wouldn't scumslip or act confused. Plus 'act' confused insinuates you believe my confusion is an act, which since I'm apparently having so much trouble understand what you're saying, isn't. Maybe it's all relatively simple and I'm just an idiot or fucking exhausted. I need to go to bed. If I was town I wouldn't be so quick to understand what was going on. I would either call you all idiots immediately because to me, thinking with a town mindset, It would be fucking retarded that i slipped as town. Or I wouldn't even understand how it was a slip and thus 'be' confused as to how it was a slip in the first place. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote: Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. Yeah. He would have. Because he slipped. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:40 s0Lstice wrote: No, BH. I was referencing the leverage you would gain with town. Not the game size. Like DP says though, that part is not important. DP, you are 100% convinced that a town BH who is not reading the thread could have said what he said? I'm 100% convinced that the slip in concert with the reactions immediately afterwards means we are dealing with a scum blazinghand. | ||
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And it is a very safe assumption that BH knew the size of the game. | ||
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On May 20 2013 15:12 Blazinghand wrote: Ok, describe SPECIFICALLY which part of my actions are scummy, and why. If for no other reason to collect town cred when I flip red! I feel like I've debunked all of DP's points but I'd like to hear what someone other than him has to say LOL no. | ||
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On May 20 2013 15:14 Blazinghand wrote: I would like a specific point-by-point explanation about why you think I'm scum. 1. You scum slipped. 2. you acted scummy as fuck afterwards. /dunked | ||
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On May 20 2013 15:45 Blazinghand wrote: Wow you know what would have been awesome? If DP and I were scum this game and we orchestrated this as a bus. I gotta give something like this a try sometime. Fucking what? WIFOM now. This is over. Burn him with the fury of a thousand suns. | ||
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The fact remains that I am 100% confident he is scum. He slipped. Plain and simple. He slipped whilst trying to become confirmed town via his role. His mindset Directly after the slip is scummy as shit. He composes himself later and tries to drown out the blatantly scummy posts of his but it is too late. No matter what BH says he can't change those few posts which complete reveal a scum mindset. Add to that the only reason he is alive today is due to a Mason claim which could be scum aligned just makes this all the more obvious. Lynch Blazinghand tomorrow. No excuses. No Exceptions. No matter how hard he fights it. | ||
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On May 20 2013 17:05 Blazinghand wrote: I've given completely reasonable explanations, explanations that are in my opinion AS or MORE likely to be true than the various explanations DP has offered for my actions after the "scumslip". For what it's worth, I make one-off comments, asides, wry observations and such ALL THE TIME. I even make ones that make me look weird/scummy (as town OR scum) because that's just my personality. I keep it casual. If you think all my actions after the "scumslip" are scummy BECAUSE all my actions BEFORE the scumslip are scummy, you're privileging the hypothesis-- or in mafia parlance, tunnelling. Actually all you have done is desperately fling meta into the thread to try and prove you do things as both alignments. I don't give a fuck about your meta. This isn't a meta case so stop bringing meta into it. | ||
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On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote: You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do. I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv. Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner. | ||
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On May 20 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote: How likely is it that a scum masoner has the presence of mind to omit the existence if his own role when considering how to make himself confirmed town to the thread? If he did this, he's better at scum than I thought. It's something I would do when fake claiming. | ||
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On May 20 2013 17:44 yamato77 wrote: But that begs the question, if he's that precise, why is he also scumslipping in the same post? Don't those ideas seem mutually exclusive? Have you ever scum slipped? I have. and it is not the big things that you slip on. It's stupid little pieces of extra knowledge that you shouldn't have but you end up taking for granted that you do have. It's not the big things you are careful not to reveal. (like the existence of a mafia mason etc.) But tiny little details that you don;t have at the forefront of your mind. As an example here are my two biggest scumslips of all time. On October 12 2012 15:35 DarthPunk wrote: The only way I can see scum missing both KP is if there was a 3rd medic and/or they tried to shoot into BC again and he is 3rd party. The first one I let slip the Scum KP total whilst talking about something else entirely. The amount of KP was not common knowledge but I had been working with that knowledge as agiven for so long that I didn't think about hiding it. On March 18 2013 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: It's not worth lynching a red check with a confirmed framer in the game when that check is the most likely to have been framed. I don't want to risk the entire game on it. also I am pretty sure you are scum and Vivax is town and the fact you are pushing it so hard makes me even more sure that lynching you is the best option. But you are not going to agree with me because you are scum so I am going to disengage with you once again so you can't crap all over the thread like you did with foolishness. The second slip is saying that there is a confirmed framer in the game as I had a red check on me at that point and I am acting all townie keeping up the facade. The problem is I had been calling marvellosity scum the whole time so by saying there was a confirmed framer due to his red check I was treating marv, someone I was calling scum as confirmed town. Both slips are of tiny pieces of knowledge that I had taken for granted and were not directly relevant to what I was talking about. Both times I noticed immediately and wanted to explain myself immediately. (like blazinghand actually did) But had the restraint to ignore them and they got swept under the carpet. Blazinghands slip is in exactly the same situation. He is talking about something else entirely and a piece of extra knowledge that is not directly correlated to what he is saying slips out. When it comes to slips I know what I am talking about and I hope this example of some of my own slips can give you some insight as to what to look for. | ||
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On May 20 2013 17:49 yamato77 wrote: DP, you can play this game, too. Talk to me about a scum read of yours that's not BH. Even if you're right and he's scum, he has 2 teammates. Dandel if he continues to be passive and useless in direct contrast to his entrance. JJD Barring some vast improvement after the weekend. To be honest though neither of them are as good a lynch as blazinghand. And both would need to be pressured throughout the next cycle for me to be sure of their alignments. To be honest, Anyone that isn't You, marv, perfection is fair game to me at this point. | ||
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On May 20 2013 19:08 marvellosity wrote: I think so, but I don't have your legendary decisiveness Given BlazingHand has made a 1000 word case on his confirmed town mason partner before, I don't put it past him as town either. LOL. | ||
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On May 20 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote: It's funny, but you rather get my point. Sometimes Blazing catches a bunch of mafia, sometimes he does something so mindblowing you can't even comprehend it. The problem with it is as you mention; it's actually not mindboggling weird or dumb, it's just 'off' and implies extra information. But could a town Blazing also have gone "derp it's a mini, there's 3 mafia"? maybe too. I'm going to not think about Blazing's alignment for the rest of night 1 / first half of day 2 (if I'm alive, naturally) and try to find mafia in the rest of the people. It's not just the slip. It's the posts immediately after that. He is scum and needs to die. No question. No excuses. Just lynch the shit out of him. On May 20 2013 19:19 marvellosity wrote: yeah, that's how i always end up dying day 1. :< I think the only time i've ever been protected on day 1 was a) when I'm mafia or b) Personality 2. I died in 24 hours in my last game. I want that medic prot. Both you and I are a good save though. | ||
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On May 20 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote: Like the fact that I am pretty chill and casual and also advocate strongly for my beliefs is not imo a scumtell. Everything I've posted has had a reasonable or hilarious explanation that is as or more reasonable than the scum-based explantion you're been pushing. If you want to refute my individual points, I'll be glad to argue this again with you after I get some sleep. But really man I don't think you have a leg to stand on there. NO. | ||
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On May 20 2013 19:34 marvellosity wrote: Fine. DP, stop prodding BH and let him do his thing. I can't bear reading another 5 pages that will say exactly the same things as the past 5 we had on the matter. I'm not even talking to blazinghand. I am talking to you. Because if I die I want you to fucking lynch him. And if you die I will fucking lynch him. | ||
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On May 20 2013 19:37 marvellosity wrote: lol DP. you always "fucking" lynch someone. i'm stifling a giggle at work at the thought. Yeah. I swear to much. I'm Australian. | ||
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On May 20 2013 19:43 marvellosity wrote: you look so cute and cuddly in your skype pic too. <3 Yep like a wombat. | ||
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On May 20 2013 19:51 marvellosity wrote: You know I'm one of the best town-herders on TL. Exactly. | ||
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OK the only game I can remember marv and I NOT going at each others throats in is GSL III in which marv was scum. Every other game that marv and I have been into together we have fought tooth and nail and marv has been town. Like I do have a town read on marv. But why are we not fighting constantly? | ||
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It wasn't the fighting that made me almost quit. | ||
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On May 20 2013 21:14 iamperfection wrote: im the towniest player in the game 4th towniest. | ||
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On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: All caught up. So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO. I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. This guy knows BH is scum. There is no doubt. and he is trying to make me look bad or something when BH flips red. I don't give a fuck if it's association before the flip. Lynch this guy after BH. also. Since when does JJD say FWIW. I know blazinghand says that though. | ||
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On May 20 2013 23:40 marvellosity wrote: This is almost as silly as me saying you were making the wrong jokes Almost. But not quite. The point is that this post is scummy as shit. | ||
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On May 20 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote: You think JJD came out of the gate bussing his experienced mafiabuddy? He was hardly bussing. He was making a case that no one was listening to, It's hardly a new tactic for newer scum players to make cases on their scum buddies as they find it difficult to fake cases. In TLVII which was my first 'normal' I rolled scum and bussed mattchew straight away even before his nosy neighbor claim. | ||
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On May 20 2013 23:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lol, No that's what ur doing. I've been saying BH is scum ALL F'N GAME. You've been saying he was scum since he almost got lynched. Nah. I almost got him lynched the first time. I didn't climb on the wagon for town cred. If you think I am scum make a case on me. | ||
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On May 21 2013 00:12 marvellosity wrote: I suggest you read the thread before asking inane questions Funny thing is he already read the slip. | ||
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On May 21 2013 01:24 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, Check out how hard DarthPunk was defending Sputnik So why the F does he end up voting sputnik???? That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch? I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it. I didn't want to lynch him solely because he did nothing in his last town game that I went back and checked. People made some good points that he could still be scum and lurking and was still useless regardless so I went ahead and lynched him. | ||
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On May 21 2013 15:03 Stutters695 wrote: Where the fuck is everyone, someone work with me on this. I don;t know how to react to this. ROFL. | ||
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On May 21 2013 15:57 Blazinghand wrote: Most of my activity during the night was spent dealing with the "scumslip". Unfortunately, effort and time are limited resources, even for a guy like me-- more time spent doing one thing takes away from my ability to do others.So, I didn't get much done in the QT or even in the thread. It doesn't look good, but that doesn't change things: it is what it is. And, imo, my activity in the QT is not my best chance to avoid a mislynch. It's my activity in the thread, really. I'll do my best to write cases and generate valuable information before bed tonight. I doubt I'll be able to avoid getting lynched today, but it's still my duty to leave something behind so that after DP picks his jaw up off the floor he can get something done. You've been saying that for a while now and haven't produced anything aside from empty promises. @stutters I am convinced Blazinghand is scum. I think the scum slip was genuine and his interactions were telling of a scum mindset. I have gone over this a lot already though. | ||
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On May 21 2013 16:36 Blazinghand wrote: confirmed by what? By my poor D1 play, which is not unlike other town games I've played? By my scumslip, which doesn't exist, and is something I do often as blue? Or by my strident and stirring defense of myself? If you say, "look, BH has spent most of his time defending himself, and not enough time hunting scum since DP went full retard on him" then that's a valid point, but then ask yourself this-- what would you do in my shoes? And also, knowing what you know about who I am and how I think, do you really consider this a scumtell? I'm not actually sure how I went 'full retard' on you. like i can understand if you are scum trying to discredit me. But if you are town how do you go from earlier calling it a strong case to now calling it going 'full retard' | ||
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On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote: Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored. Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo. | ||
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On May 22 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote: That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle. It's two in the morning but I'll take a look before bed and get back to you. | ||
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On May 22 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote: It wasn't 2 in the morning when it all happened, you just didn't talk about it at the time either <3 It can wait until tomorrow if you want to sleep. I wasn't really around when it all happened. I'm going to make a coffee and get into it though if you'll be around for at least another half hour? | ||
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About goodkarma. I was going to say once again that I would rather wait and see before I pass judgement on Him. But then I realised that I have been saying that all along with no payoff from GK. and the reason for that is that I am fond of Goodkarma because we grew up together. There IS something off about goodkarma, marv's points are good and the fundamental problem I am having is all the Excuses. Such as But I am always scummy day one This always happens to me I didn't even read my role PM but now I did and I am town even though if I was scum I would also say I was town. Now it is day two and goodkarma still is not looking very good. The thing is though. Town goodkarma is fucking townie townie rainbows. So this isn't very hard. Goodkarma either becomes townie townie rainbows and takes fucking charge of the scm hunt like I know he is capable of. (best town newbie performance 2012) or we lynch the shit out of him next. and Dandel. in fact. I am calling a scum team rite nao. BH, Dandel, Goodkarma and JJD if one of those isn't scum | ||
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This part where blazinghand gives us reads and stuff works like this. If BH is town then we have some solid insight into what a confirmed town thought about the game. If he flips scum he at least has taken a position on everyone. Although it is probably useless due to WIFOM. Blazinghand's contributions since he came into the thread have been meh. Like he makes a case on GK who is universally viewed as scummy. EZ to fake as scum. Oh and don't call me bad BH as it is blatantly untrue. | ||
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On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote: DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip" FIne. Because you aren't flipping town. Is marv bad too for believing in scum slips? | ||
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On May 22 2013 16:15 Blazinghand wrote: Okay, another stipulation, when I flip town you can't call my play past D1 bad. You can call my D1 play bad, but my play N1 and D2 you have to say "Blazinghand did the best he could and played well" In return for that and the signature promise, if I flip anything but the role I claim, I will change my signature to something or your choice for all time. If, by some weird probability, you are scum this game (and this is almost certainly not true) then you don't have to change your signature. /handshake /handshake | ||
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On May 23 2013 00:08 Blazinghand wrote: I won't be around during lunch time, as I have lunch plans, which means you'll be giving your opinion to people who aren't me. Just make sure you do it before my flip! This is not a good philosophy. When I flip town you'll start trying to make up for wasted time, and kicking yourself for doing nothing during D2, and praising my N2 and D2 play (as you promised!). Nah cause your flipping scum. | ||
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I am actually super nervous about this, we should still lynch him, but he swayed me in the past 24 hours. | ||
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On May 23 2013 05:56 marvellosity wrote: fuck i HATE mislynching on day 2, it feels like a total failure. you best flip mafia. I hate mislynching day one. | ||
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On May 23 2013 05:59 Blazinghand wrote: jesus christ man it's like everyone knows i'm town and is lynching me btw DP you can't back out of the bet I won't. | ||
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On May 23 2013 06:03 Dandel Ion wrote: huehue the fuck? | ||
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On May 23 2013 15:21 VayneAuthority wrote: Not really no, its like his 3rd or 4th martyr post. He's grasping at straws if he's saying im suspicious because I didnt vote for BH. I have said since the beginning I did not think BH was mafia since I do not play by meta or setup bias. I was not wishy washy at all in my stance and hes trying to say that having my vote on him is suspicious? Give me a break. As for the rest of it its just stuff thats already been said before with a sprinkle of martyr in it. Didn't sway me one bit. Yeha but the thing is that goodkarma seems legitimately pissed off about being 'misread'. | ||
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On May 23 2013 15:55 VayneAuthority wrote: Yea his emotion is a towntell for me as well, but his martyring is a scumtell. I mean he's not even set to be lynched, doesn't even have a vote on him and hes already being defensive/martyring? maybe im a shitty player or maybe this is just that obvious. It's pretty obvious he is a major target, and he had to defend himself since day one. TBH I would much rather lynch dandle for ninja voting and full trolling after BH flipped green. | ||
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Policy lynch marv if he is somehow still alive and hasn't destroyed the scum team yet at MYLO/LYLO. | ||
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On May 24 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote: not really sure at all. This. X1 000 000 | ||
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On May 24 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote: I have to say, I'm not feeling very destroy-y right now. I believe in you. Also I can expect you would say the same thing if someone left someone like BC or something alive at lylo. | ||
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On May 24 2013 01:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Can't think of a game where THAT happened. don't know if sarcastic. | ||
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On May 24 2013 01:20 marvellosity wrote: Town BC and Town Palmar were alive on Day 9 or something of LXI WHAT??!??!??! Town won right? or is that the game that Palmar and BH were all butthurt over? | ||
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On May 24 2013 01:24 marvellosity wrote: The butthurt game, yes. And from this day forth that game will never again be known as LXI but will, for ever after be the butthurt game to all who speak of it for generations to come. | ||
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If dead then I did everything for you TOWN!!!! if alive then damn I have to try and figure out this shit of a game. Later peeps. | ||
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On May 24 2013 06:55 Dandel Ion wrote: Hey scum, I'll trade you the identity of the jailkeeper for me not getting lynched today. If you've got 4 we should be able to do it cuz we're 5 total then. think about it! ##Vote: Dandel Ion | ||
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On May 24 2013 14:43 VayneAuthority wrote: yea I already see something really weird that needs addressing. I always keep track of this shit so... Yesterday there was only one RB claim, by you DP. Today there is RB claims by GK and marv. Either 2 people RB'ed you yesterday DP or more likely, one of them is lying. think there is JK due to dandel probably picking up the breadcrumb. I am pretty sure I was JK yesterday so marv being jk would make sense. I would also expect there to be a mafia roleblocker in a setup with at least 4 blues. So I don;t think GK HAS to be lying. | ||
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On May 24 2013 15:04 VayneAuthority wrote: No he doesnt have to be at all. I am just looking for ANY inconsistencies at this point. Besides dandel ion we dont have much of a consensus as a town. Probably need to take a look at s0lstice and rayne. I went through spicy's filter and tried to see any crumbs for his checks. Didn;t see anything. I could use a fresh set of eyes though if you want to take a look. | ||
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On May 24 2013 18:20 marvellosity wrote: The gk roleblock is... interesting. Could be scum trying to set up GK? WIFOM i know. | ||
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On May 24 2013 22:27 marvellosity wrote: Serial Killers on TL often have at least a one-shot bulletproof protection. I don't see why the SK would be defenceless here. And again, if there were 4 mafia and we killed mafia (5-4-1 -> 5-3-1) then mafia would shoot at town for aforementioned likely bulletproof reason (so 4-3-1) and then SK is forced to shoot at town otherwise a 4-2-1 situation arises where town gets to lynch the SK for free. This is the important part. It's a risk we need to take. | ||
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Because if we mislynch we prob lose so we better be fucking sure of ourselves. I'm not sure of anything right now GK could well be town and DI isn't scum so who the fuck are the 3-4 scum in this town? that should be the question on everyones minds. like if I had to say who was likely to be scum right now it would be maybe s0lstice and JJD and rayn. But i am fucking unsure about that. So yeah we need to find the scum before we decide to not lynch a SK based on numbers assuming we are lynching scum. | ||
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On May 25 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote: Like how mafia occasionally has kp that no one actually carries out so you can't RB to stop it. I don't see how DIs wincon is attainable like this and it bothers me. He knew he was gonna be under the pump and his play was irredeemable. So he claimed in the hope we keep him alive. | ||
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On May 25 2013 12:33 Stutters695 wrote: GK tomorrow, that's a sure lynch. The only concern was if he was scum or 3p and he's obviously not 3p now. There is no doubt in my mind he was anti-town (especially after talking with BH) and was my second choice behind DI. After him I'm more unsure but I'd say between s0l and JJD. I need to filter dive that one, this is just my current thoughts. If we make it to LYLO(2-1) and Marv is alive I'm giving him some strong consideration. This isn't the Marv I expected, especially his lack of interactions with BH D2. He was uncharacteristically quiet and its just slightly off. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but it's weird and worth checking out. Yeha. While I am not as sure on GK as you seem to be that is reasonably in line with my thinking. | ||
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On May 25 2013 14:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think that if there's 4 scum then Marv is most likely one of em. But it doesn't really matter because we lose. My top scum read is darthpunk and then I guess grush. Somehow I am your top scum read and yet we have voted the same way for the past two cycles. LOL you need to actually push me without just repeating DP is scum ad nauseum if you believe I am scum. | ||
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On May 25 2013 14:13 WaveofShadow wrote: DP how would you feel about lynching this guy after DI? Pretty good. Day one I wanted to lynch him but was convinced by s0lstice that he should be given time to contribute. Then all he has done is sheep the popular lynches whilst making a weak as shit case/push on me who should be read as town even though i got lazy after the blazinghand lynch. Like he has been given time and hasn't done anything. Rather lynch him than GK TBH. | ||
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On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote: So, let's please get out our scumreads, and plan out the upcoming days. I'm feeling a bit mindfucked right now trying to sort out this mess. I would argue neither of our lynches so far have been super-informative given how they were fairly uncontroversial / unanimous. What I'm fairly confident about right now is that myself (100%), Wave, and DP are town. Grush I'd put as town too, as the starsense thing seems to be his only towntell, and I'll have faith that he won't ruin it for himself. Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong. Then we have this mess: Stutters/JJD/Vayne/Marv Stutters again has had no scumgame. But what I find peculiar about his play this game is that while he seems to be rather unapologetic about being afk most the time in other games (as best I can tell anyway... I'll confess I skimmed pretty hard here. If I'm wrong feel free to point it out.), here he seems to have conjured up multiple IRL excuses. As though he needs to try extra-hard to validate with us that he's out doing other stuff, and that we need to excuse his inactivity. This just doesn't sit well with me, as well as how he seems to be certain at this point that I'm scum. That felt a bit out of nowhere to me, looking at his past postings. Also, how he made a comment about BH making a second scumslip, saying something like "get him boys." He seems to be taking hard lines when it comes to pushing lynches, which doesn't feel to me to be coming from town. JJD is just so terrible it boggles my mind. He definitely is not in sync with thread sentiment, and is content to do his own thing. I give him some townie points for this, since the kind of brazen stuff he's been doing just doesn't make much sense to me as scum. He's just been drawing soooo much attention to himself. And he's stood by what he's said for the most part. Further, he seemed genuinely investigative about the best move for today. From scum's perspective, SK is a threat that needs to be eliminated. In just about every scenario, I'd see them eagerly jumping onto the chance to get the SK lynched here, so I found that encouraging. You might be thinking why the 180 spin on opinion? He could definitely be scum, in that he is clearly not very up to speed with the thread to be coming to some of the conclusions he has. But being bad isn't the same as being scum, and right now I'm inclined towards believing he's bad town. I've completely re-read every filter and this is my conclusion right now. I mean he could just be a lurky scum with no real concern with keeping up with thread or trying, but bad town feels more likely. As for Vayne, I've already mentioned the BH thing. I don't get how you just say something to the extent of this is wrong, and then try so very little to switch others' viewpoints to your candidate. Instead, you sit there and say something like "this is the most anticipated flip," as in you really don't care if BH gets lynched. Further, that he seems to be unconcerned with the very dire situation we're in now, and that his chief concern seems to be to get me lynched to the exclusion of determining all scum (which is very necessary for us to do at this point) is something I find unsettling. Marv seems to have fallen into complete complacency, which is the exact opposite of what a town Marv should be doing. Further, he's cited who thought he was town as some kind of credential when his play should be speaking to that (a small point, but it stuck out to me). Finally, he doesn't seem to be pursuing scumreads very aggressively. I don't know what this yuck stuff is about, but when town's on the verge of losing, I'd fully expect much more from him. And maybe town Marv can be apathetic, but given we need to work to find ALL THE SCUM, I'd say he's someone to look into. It is very unsettling to me how little he's been doing to turn this around. The scumteam I propose is Stutters/Vayne/Marv. I don't feel super-confident about this, but given everything I've looked at this is the best I have. Please do comment on this. We absolutely need to figure out our plan for the upcoming days now, and not put it off. I like your analysis. I think this makes you much more likely to be town. And while I can see where you are coming from with the marv stuff I am pretty sure marv is town. Like a scum marv could just keep posting and fake scum reads. There is no reason for marv to be complacent as either alignment but i can certainly understand if town marv is demoralised and apathetic. | ||
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On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote: Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong. This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice. What do you think marv? | ||
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On May 25 2013 19:07 marvellosity wrote: I'll look into s0lstice more if town is alive after the night, though. I just have no strong feelings about him. And usually that is something which signals scum to me. | ||
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On May 25 2013 22:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: See stuff like this is why I think you're scum. This is the 2nd time you said untrue stuff to try and make me look bad. The first was when you talked about my meta. Please explain what you mean by "all he has done is sheep the popular lynches" because that's completely untrue. Also can you tell me why you "should be read as town"? Well is it untrue? you went along with the BH lynch even though it was being pushed HARD by your number one scum read. now you are going along with the DI lynch even though your number one scum read is pushing for a DI lynch. And despite talking about me being your number one scum read for a while you actually haven't pushed for my lynch at all. You scum bro. maybe read about why everyone else thinks i'm town if you genuinely want to know. Also BH said I was town when i was pushing hard for his mislynch so I don't know why the fuck YOU would NOT think I am town | ||
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On May 26 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't even explain it. It's one of those 'too easy' vibes. Every lynch thus far has just been a pile on with almost no effort required whatsoever. Somebody talk to me. you are right. the thing is though we are also right to lynch SK today. | ||
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On May 26 2013 03:07 marvellosity wrote: So, are we to judge you by your reads so far GK, like you proclaimed earlier in the game? GK is town marv. Scum team is S0lstice/JJD/stutters + 1 maybe. | ||
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On May 26 2013 03:57 grush57 wrote: Sigh I guess it's too late, I'm not totally sure Dandel is scum but whatever he claimed SK LMAO | ||
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On May 26 2013 06:33 s0Lstice wrote: Here now, caught up. I did put in work on the filters like I promised, but all I came out of it with was town reads that I felt good about. I wasn't sure that was even worth sharing, given our situation. It's been pretty difficult to get motivated knowing that our chances for winning are on a wing and a prayer with the lucky JK save. I've looked some more though, and I do have something. I feel good about WoS and Stutters being town. These two have shown consistent interest in still trying to solve the game, even with our chances being bleak. With that flip, I really think DP and Marv are scum. I've about had it with the 'I'm town because X said so' argument. Marv and DP have been guilty of this repeatedly. Think of it like this..what is the point of even saying that? We are at a point where everyone needs to be re-evaluating town reads, because nobody is having an easy time finding a place for the scum team to fit on their spreadsheets. Everyone who is town at this should no longer be satisfied with 'Marv is town because iamp and BH said so,' or Marv saying 'I'm town, it's so obvious.' It's not good enough....we are well past the time of free passes. If you want to convince somebody that somebody else, or you, is town, reasoning needs to be provided. These two don't seem to care to provide any. I think GK is scum, or potentially the SK. He started the game with cases on grush and stutters (lurkers at that point), a terrible meta case on JJ, and most of the stuff he has taken a stance on (especially the most recent stuff) he has folded on like origami. He's pushed nothing, and really comes off like even he doesn't believe what he is saying. Soooo marv and I are scum because we say we are town. What a fucking awful heuristic. Like that is the only reason that you call us out and yet we are scum? makes no sense from townie standpoint. also you have never mentioned me as not a town read but now i have called you suspicious I am scum for some weak as piss reason. | ||
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On May 26 2013 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: DP do you honestly still think marv is 100% town? You I am sure of. Him I am not. not 100% but he is far more likely to be town than scum. what you think of solstice? | ||
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On May 26 2013 11:43 s0Lstice wrote: Tell me why marv is town dp. he is town because he has taken pro town positions all game. His mindset seems to gel with mine and he clearly gives zero fucks about what people think. You should explain how we are scum. | ||
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On May 26 2013 11:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Let me clarify DP I don't think I was clear. How has marv exhibited pro town positions and behaviour since pretty much the day where we were all but forced to lynch BH? Mindset gelling and whatnot I can understand to a certain degree, but any experienced player can give zero fucks. I was actually going to call solstice out on his townread of me for the exact same thing. If marv was scum he wouldn't have stopped doing things because he would want to look townie. it's WIFOM but also accurate. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm sorry but it's not even WIFOM, you're just making excuses for him. Scum or town right now I find his behaviour to be anti-town right now and he needs to do something about it. Are you confident we can solve this game if the rest of the people in this thread uphold the status quo as it has been set thus far? No that is actually my reasoning for thinking he is town. Like seriously. Sure I would love marv to rip this game to pieces but he is not so w/e we should do it ourselves. The point is I don't want to lynch him. Maybe if it comes down to 2-1 or kingmaker or something then you policy lynch him for being alive but that is it. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:04 s0Lstice wrote: On my phone atm. Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads. I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game. I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in. Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum. After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp. There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me. ok so my filter looks fine and you explain why marv is scum to you. and yet you lumped me in with him for saying I was town because others said so. Even though I only said that once in my whole 13 page filter. Something doesn't add up about your scum read of me. I am not talking about marv now. I am talking about you saying you really think I am scum. Explain yourself. And no. Our reads not being the same anymore is not a legitimate reason for you to "really think DP is scum" | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:19 s0Lstice wrote: We have been a pretty derpy town. I think scum know who the SK is. They will probably try to lynch him tomorrow. Like wtf is this. You have all these assertions about what scum think and what their plans are but you provide absolutely no analysis to back them. Like this is just useless shit you are talking I hope you realise. Anyway the NA vs KR match is on soon so I will be gone when that starts. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh shits me too. Watched NA v EU w/yamato yesterday. ^-^ Haha. I've been watching with Jacobstrangelove on skype. That NA EU game I went ape shit man. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:47 WaveofShadow wrote: DP I'm not so sure I can watch this game any more... >.< D: | ||
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On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote: Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK? Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!) they are not gonna have 2 kp in a normal mini. That is stupid. | ||
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On May 27 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote: why not? you've no basis to say that. wtf was the SK doing last night then? You really think mafia are going to have 2 kp in a game of this size? I don't know. Maybe the SK is bad and didn't really think his shot through. Or maybe he realized Dandel would for sure get lynched so he played under that assumption and shot for town. Or maybe he was blue sniping who he thought was the JK. | ||
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On May 04 2013 04:13 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: This is a normal sixteen player mini with a closed set up. I will tell you some things about the set up: All roles are normal. 3rd party is possible. Town win-condition is to eliminate all anti-town elements. Scum win condition is to outnumber all anti-scum elements or make it impossible for that to be prevented. Scum kp is fixed at 1. All players will be notified of being roleblocked no matter their role. There are no hit notifications except for players with multiple night lives. The lynch is plurality. There is at least one Vanilla Townie | ||
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On May 27 2013 01:06 marvellosity wrote: What the fuck is up with you? I forgot reading the OP from like a week ago that mafia had 1 kp? it's hardly a disaster is it. Eh usually you are all over shit like that, and i'm the one making mistakes. W/E. How do you feel about s0lstice after the past few pages? | ||
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On May 27 2013 01:27 s0Lstice wrote: Why not? Dandel claiming SK made sure we lynched scum and not the SK yesterday. We already talked about how the most optimal lynch for town yesterday was to off the SK, as it could get us to 5-4 with some luck. Now the best we can hope for is 4-3-1. this is fucking retarded because we have not made any read on a sk whatsoever. LIke there is no reason for scum to sac themselves. A more reasonable explanation is that he knew he was fucked from being so useless and tried to survive with his sk claim. | ||
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On May 27 2013 02:03 marvellosity wrote: s0lstice is probably SK lol Why do you say that? | ||
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On May 27 2013 02:18 s0Lstice wrote: You'll be lynching another townie. How much of this is because I called you scum? a bit. but I was calling you out before that. | ||
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On May 27 2013 07:33 VayneAuthority wrote: Only one kill so im guessing either the SK or the mafia tried to kill whoever got jailed tonight, or the SK/mafia got jailed tonight. wish stutters could tell us who it was Whoever claims RB was potentially targeted for NK. | ||
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On May 28 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Methinks I see a contradiction here, Vayne. Am I town or scum? Also come on, dude, use your brain. Do you truly and honestly think the entire scumteam are going to be the very first onto a mislynch wagon? This isn't NMM 39. To be fair, I don't see a hell of a lot of reasoning for sheeping me coming from either solstice or GK so there could definitely be something up. (GK's vote is obvious either way; it's likely either him or JJD today.) Anyway I'm pretty damn confident in your towniness, so join the wagon of justice, breh. DP what-cha been up to lately? MY fucking Australian terrible internet died. I'm reading the thread now. Prob don;t want to lynch JJD anymore though. | ||
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On May 28 2013 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote: The first questions you answer had better be the ones you ignored. DP I am not sold on a Solstice lynch but the thought of both solstice and GK jumping on as they did without proper reasoning has me uneasy. My vote remains for now. Well yeah. Like GK and S0lstice both claimed RB right? and then we lost a night kill and the JK was jailing offensively. So one of them could easily be scum and because they both jumped onto the JJD wagon that makes me not want to lynch JJD. | ||
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On May 28 2013 17:48 marvellosity wrote: DP you've become less active recently, even given an internet shortage. What's your stab at a mafia team and/or SK? I'm assuming it has to include someone you previously assumed to be town, so I'd like to know. Yeah I am lazy. at the moment I am working from process of elimination. If Marv, DP, and Grush are 100% town Then I want to lynch into s0lstice, GK, JJD, Vayne and WoS in that order. I could see GK being serial killer. But I am pretty sure s0lstice is not town. GK and s0lstice being my major priorities also both were roleblocked and at least 1 kp went missing. | ||
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On May 28 2013 18:59 marvellosity wrote: Other than the fact that town can lynch correctly every day and still most likely lose you mean? ^_^ Yeah. Other than that. Do we lose if we lynch the serial killer? | ||
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s0lstice the most basic reasons that I want to lynch you are this. You have flown under the radar, causing me to not have particularly strong feelings about you. This is one of the biggest scum tells for better scum players IMO. stupid arguments with townies about stupid things. And repeating number analysis too often to the detrement of pushing a scum read. Like if you were town you would be more concerned with lynching your top scum read than postulating ad nauseum about night kills and lylo etc. Your end game reads are considerably off from mine. Like you want to lynch both grush and marv at lylo or whatever. That is not how i would expect a townie reading the same game as me to feel. You made a remark calling both marv and I out for being scum and then backflipped when I pointed out that what you were saying was BS, Your read was therefore part of an agenda rather than a genuine insight after reading the thread. Won't stop talking about marv being scum. Elimination. You are the scummiest out of who is left. | ||
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On May 29 2013 00:10 marvellosity wrote: Given s0lstice may or may not be here, my general problem is this. s0lstice apparently has me as the highest chance of anyone to flip mafia. I'm his top scumread despite the 3 players in the game who have played with me 10-15+ games each (BH, iamp, DP) declaring me *certain* town. Not "marv probably town" but god-damn town. This is in contrast to s0lstice's read on DP which is strongly town. What's the genuine difference between me and DP? We both wanted to kill sputnik day 1, and BH day 2, and Dandel day 3; further I've been significantly more active than DP, and DP's interest has self-admittedly been waning recently. Not only this, but from s0lstice's pespective, in what is basically lylo, DP is voting s0lstice on a not-very-fleshed-out case. Shouldn't it be ringing alarm bells for s0lstice that on day 4 DP is voting him for apparently not very much? He doesn't seem to be very worried about it. If I were a townie, this would be setting off pretty loud alarm bells in my head, no? Yet there seems to be no suspicion. Why?? The bolded is very a good point. My case on s0lstice really doesn't exist in the thread. ( obviously I know why I want to lynch him just haven;t made a case or anything) If someone was trying to mislynch me at lylo based of absolutely shit all I would be furious and spam posting until something changed. | ||
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On May 29 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Fuck so much posting in here now can't catch up on phone. Gotta go for a bit but ill def be at a comp before lynch at some point. All of yall stick around, the zero acctivity days when I actually was around didn't help I'll be here to lynch. unless i fall asleep. | ||
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On May 29 2013 00:31 s0Lstice wrote: In response-- 1) This would be my first scum game, have you considered that? There shouldn't be any correlation to me not inducing strong feelings in you and me being scum. I should be scum to you for doing scummy things. This point makes no sense. 2) There's been many points this game where I've had to re-address scum reads, and a fair number of times where I was speaking from the standpoint of needing a refresh on filters and didn't have any sure idea on who was scum. At least not enough to call anybody out in thread. I talked about the numbers because, to me, it was important to figuring out what the hell Dandel was doing. They are also important to figuring out who the SK should/shouldn't be killing. This is relevant information. Arguing with Marv was a product of me trying to understand, mostly getting it, but screwing up a few key things. Why it devolved into an argument, I'm not really sure. Marv and I are just combustible I guess. The point though is that I got to where I wanted to be in my understanding, and stopped. 3) You said yourself earlier when I called you scum that our reads being different is not an adequate reason to be calling someone scum. Which is it? 4) Calling you scum and retracting it is something I already explained. Short version: I was pissed at you for constantly asserting Marv is town with no reason behind it. At the time of writing that post, it seemed super destructive because I was frustrated at all that has gone wrong, and it struck me as awful that you'd still be giving free passes when town clearly has no fucking idea what is going on. I was also thinking Marv was scum at that point, so it was particularly abrasive. 5) This is a legit point. I'm on the hook to prove why Marv is scum, and I haven't yet. This one can be corrected though when I have the time to write a proper case. 1.) I don't care if it's your first scum game. Trying to use that as an excuse is incredibly scummy. The person who I first caught using the exact same reasoning was in their first scum game also. That is irrelevant. And no. Not every scum makes huge mistakes. Lots of scum are very careful and never slip up. The trick to reading those people are to look at their mindset. With you I do not see a townie pushing their scum reads hard and making their presence felt in the thread, thus I had no strong feelings about you. That is the mark of scum flying under the radar. When I read I can;t believe it;s not themed I could tell you were town from the get go. I don't have that here. It IS a valid point. And is even more strongly reinforced by your 'lack' of reaction to the wagon on you at LYLO 2.) the point is you were talking about set up or whatever and not talking about who you wanted to lynch. I would expect from a townie more interest in who to lynch as that is their domain. I would expect scum to both speculate on NK and to find some way of being active without having to push/ make cases. 3.)Yes and it is not good enough to lynch someone. But that is just a small part of the ocean. It is one of those thigns I put in the back of my mind and say 'OK i need to pay more attention to s0lstice or read his filter and discover how he could arrive at this conclusion" The thing is I have no fucking Idea why a townie would want to lynch marv or grush right now. Even more so when you were anti grush lynch at the time the starsense stuff happened. 4.)If you think I am/was giving marv a free pass you are mistaken. Trust me when I say that I call out marv fast and often when I feel it is justified. I am not giving marv a free pass. And that sounds completely agenda driven. I want to lynch DP for no reason turns into I wanted to lynch you because I was mad at you and now you are a strong town read. Like you said I was scum not via analysis or reading the thread but because you wanted to. That is NOT how I expect a townie to behave. ESPECIALLY this far into the game. 5.)you have talked about marv being scum but you have not pushed him as I would expect a townie to push marv. In fact going through your filter it seems you have had some half hearted pushes toward marv from the beginning of the game and yet you have not provided a comprehensive push against him. That is not good. | ||
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This is gonna be wall of texty but it's LYLO so you can get over it. These are the posts that s0lstice casts doubt I guess on marv BEFORE he thought marv was scum. On May 18 2013 13:27 s0Lstice wrote: It'd be sputnik, and I'd feel ok about it. What you were saying about Marv and his descent from rage was compelling though. Something caught my eye while reading the whole Marv/Dandel exchange the apology....as Marv has done this before, I wondered if he ever has apologized for it. If he has done this before but never really showed any sign of guilt, then that is something. I've been digging through personality to see. Need to look at his scum games as well, its a fat wad of meta to get through. Still though, food for thought. On May 18 2013 14:04 s0Lstice wrote: All the same...do you know what I would do if I was in Marv's shoes? After all these games, the victories, the early NKs as town, the high win percentage as scum...with that Hapa case floating around out there, and (this is important) people around me itching to lynch me as the game goes on regardless of how I've played because as town I'm so rarely alive late into games.. I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up. I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile. Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is. On May 19 2013 10:41 s0Lstice wrote: At the time, I felt there was much more to go on with GK, hence my case. Sputnik had the list, and the purposely evasive RP speak. The VT claim gave me pause though, and it's still kind of mindfucking me. I voted for who I was more sure about goodkarma As to your defense, your interpretation of grushs actions is acceptable. With the added explanation, your point on grush holding himself to his own meta in regards to the period of time before he was pressured is a legitimate one. Still stinky though is the timing of the case, and your JarJar lurky post. I'm catching up while writing this....your posts since then seem pretty town. Enough that I don't want to you kill right now. marv You were the topic of conversation at the time. It was an unfinished thought, but I shared it anyway, because it is related to what DP was saying about you, and iamp addressed me directly about it. It means nothing without the meta backing, which, due to my absence, I am not currently fresh on. I stand by saying it though, because its possible that someone who has been closely following your recent games would know off-hand whether you were following a pattern. ____________________________________ Still waiting to hear from Stutters on what he makes of me attacking one of his scum reads. Vayne, I really haven't thought much of your suspicions of me, because your reasoning is pretty poor, frankly. I'd prefer it though if your time wasn't wasted on suspecting me, so let's open up a dialogue and become besties. I'm not happy with my scumspecs at the moment and that takes priority, but I'll try to alleviate your concerns after some quality filter time. Now to the filters...as I said though I'll be checking the thread in the interim and I'm here for awhile. On May 21 2013 09:33 s0Lstice wrote: I kinda feel like Marv should have had an opinion on whether he was lying or not, if he was fuming about it. The quote I just posted implies that Marv thinks posts prior to GKs claim are alignment indicative-->so he therefore must think he is lying-->and therefore should really be telling us to lynch the liar for lying. On May 21 2013 09:54 s0Lstice wrote: I'm reading Marv as being entirely too petulant right now. I'm getting to his alignment. On May 21 2013 10:03 s0Lstice wrote: WoS, since marv is doing the electronic equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and going 'nah nah nah nah can't hear you'...I'll ask you. Are you following my reasoning here? Making a post painting GK in a bad light that cites posts that come prior to his claim of not reading his role PM requires SOME opinion on whether he checked his role PM. Citing those posts carries with it an assumption that GK was being truthful in his claim. I'm just not seeing how one could pursue GK without considering it, as it directly affects whether certain of his posts are alignment indicative. On May 21 2013 11:02 s0Lstice wrote: I think that may have ended up being a violent agreement. I see exactly what you are saying Marv, but I was concerning myself with his claim and you weren't. That was the rub. On May 23 2013 05:45 s0Lstice wrote: so just for shits and giggles BH...I know we are short on time, but if you flip green, I (we) are going to have to look at everyone again...including Marv. Just so I have this right: Sputnik's day 1 lynch is an unlikely scum lynch did not reveal iamp was a mason when he was masoned with you picking a fight with you day 1 these are the main points of why marv is town to you? On May 23 2013 11:18 s0Lstice wrote: Vayne-- the thing is this. as we lose more and more townies, your vote becomes increasingly important. I had you as town for everything up until the BH flip, and I really don't think a re-read is gonna change that (we'll see). don't be afraid to do what works best for you to catch mafia, but more importantly, listen to/read what others have to say. make this thread your bible. I want to win this game, and I know you want to as well. Stutters-- did you read Hapa's case on Marv that iamp linked? Marv is an excellent player, and it's not going to fit like a glove every time, but it has a lot of good insights. On May 23 2013 11:31 s0Lstice wrote: Ok that's something. I need to look at my past games with him, and all his past games (gulp). I just have this expectation of Marv to be an over-achiever all the time when he's town, and if it's unreasonable, it's unreasonable. Marv has just been a sort of blind spot for me this game, and I need to correct it. Like he mentions marv a lot never calling him scum but the hints are there. Doesn't make sense if he first thought marv was scum after yamato flip. It looks to me like he was setting up for a push on marv later. | ||
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On May 29 2013 01:01 VayneAuthority wrote: Yea I think this is they key here to this day. Have to keep an eye on the people that havent voted yet...s0lstice taking his vote off me is so hilariously scummy but I already know why he did it. I wouldn't have a problem lynching either GK or s0lstice because they are both scum. Lets see who they are going to try to bus last second l0l. Yeah let's get on a GK wagon. If GK comes back and blows my mind by solving the game I'll swap back. | ||
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On May 29 2013 01:07 marvellosity wrote: how the fuck did i end up writing "goodmarka" in the voting thread. oh well. What do you think of s0lstice soft pushing you like 2 cycles before he thought you were scum? | ||
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On May 29 2013 11:46 s0Lstice wrote: Not really sure what else I can say to you DP. I kind of feel like I'm talking to a wall. I stayed around at the expense of some stuff that was probably more important than mafia to assuage your fears and respond to any important changes immediately near lynch time, in part because you suggested I should...and you disappeared. You listed your reasons and I explained. I feel like you have only one valid point, in how I didn't push Marv with any gusto...but I have since written up my thoughts on him in some detail. The funny thing is, you give me shit for how I pushed Marv, but it's not that far off from your treatment of me. Anyway though, we've been pretty awesome so far at lynching townies, so why stop now right? I disappeared because it was 3 in the morning and i fell asleep. the lynch time has been bad for me this game. Now obviously GK wasn't scum and I switched off of you who i still think IS scum to consolidate. So obviously I feel like I should have lynched you instead. | ||
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You are left with Vayne, WoS, Grush, JJD. but you have to remove grush because starsenses. That leaves Vayne, WoS and JJD. two of whom have been somewhat town reads of mine. Like I think the sk should shoot JJD as the most certain to be scum. So vayne, WoS, JJD as not town. add s0lstice if scum team is 4 people? | ||
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On May 30 2013 02:03 s0Lstice wrote: I mean, I get that DP, but at the time it happened the game was basically in full stop waiting for him to say it. I don't think it's so simple. The attention was very much on him. He knows at that moment if he doesn't say it he is going to get lynched, no question. Are you confident that a scum grush just takes the lynch there? Grush is going to get lynched all the time without starsenses. If he wasted it for 1 win as scum then I am fine with just policy lynching him day one in every single game from now on. | ||
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Plan was to look absurdly townie early and hope to draw medic prots or make myself seem like a good target for medic prot night one and two. I WIFOM'd a bit about protection for this reason the first two nights. Not sure if it worked or not cause i haven't read the scum QT yet. around the end of the BH lynch i thought it was very likely that he was going to flip town but at that point I changed my plan from winning with town to winning with scum. I started to be useless so that I would be less of a threat and hopefully dodge night kills if I had to survive past night four when I couldn't hide any longer. | ||
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On May 30 2013 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah fucking props to my team on the blue sniping. I had nothing to do with that shit I would be happy to be on a team with any of you again. So yeah I guess I can't say I've never been scum/never lied anymore; Prom says my town game is rightly fucked now so we'll see. this | ||
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On May 30 2013 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Well hopefully it just means people stop taking me so lightly DP yeah you effectively WIFOMed us (me?) off of killing you N1. I wanted you gone but we were worried about protection on you and marv basically all game. It's funny how that worked out; I had you two pegged as the two strongest townies (with iamp as close second--grats to the rest of my scumteam for being around before deadline on that one) yet you were both left alive until the end. YAY! | ||
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Give the role to Kush for example and he will have a very good chance at winning without doing much at all. Give the role to Marv and I think he would find it much more difficult. That being said I do not agree that the role should have no KP mitigation ESPECIALLY in a game with scum KP and a 2 shot vig in a mini. The chances of a 'good player' being shot is very likely in a setup like this. You only need to look at how badly WoS wanted to off me and marv in the scum QT. I think some form of Night protection is needed with one-shot bullet proof being much stronger than the 2-shot commuter ability IMO. | ||
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On May 31 2013 11:49 WaveofShadow wrote: To be fair Dandel did have to slap me around a bunch to get me to calm down. 1st time scum - I don't know that me offing you would have been the right call; in this case it obviously wasn't. Well I would have been shot night two if Iamp hadn't claimed to early and if dandel hadn't been the only one around and if it happened to be my NK out of the two that he switched to perfection. But seriously. Never shoot me when you are scum. Pretty please? | ||
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You can't blame marv though. I felt like he articulated better than most of the town why he still wanted to lynch you. the others just let it happen for no reason. Probably you should have pushed another wagon really hard yourself. Like you gave reads but you should have tunnelled your biggest scum read to the end of the earth (i know you can do that) if the push was convincing enough that would have saved you IMO. Town don't want to just be told you are not scum. they also want you to spoon feed them their next lynch. If you are going to convince town to do what you want, make it as easy as possible for them. | ||
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On June 04 2013 13:07 Blazinghand wrote: I did eventually try to tunnel GK a bit. Not that getting him mislynched before me would have helped much, but I did try. Part of the problem I think is I wanted to get a tunnel started on GK but I was having trouble getting people to engage with me on him. I had to call out people by name, and often more than once, to get them to respond to the case. Your GK push wasn't convincing enough. If your case had blown away the town and you spammed up the thread calling for a lynch you would have lived. Town won't switch off you if they have to think too hard. you need to make it really really easy for everyone to switch wagons. | ||
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