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On May 20 2013 13:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 20 2013 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 Blazinghand wrote:
The point is, I finally got my head above the flood of jub-jubbery in this thread and then I fucked up and scumslipped (as town, mind you!)
Like you gotta admit if you did this as town you'd feel that same way nope. I would call you all fucking idiots because I didn't scumslip if I was town. or act confused like WoS was initially. Wait, what? Are you calling me scum too here? Who is 'all?' If I slipped as town I would call you all fucking idiots. 'all' being those accusing me. Don't know how you can get me calling you scum from that. Because you said as town you wouldn't scumslip or act confused. Plus 'act' confused insinuates you believe my confusion is an act, which since I'm apparently having so much trouble understand what you're saying, isn't. Maybe it's all relatively simple and I'm just an idiot or fucking exhausted. I need to go to bed.
If I was town I wouldn't be so quick to understand what was going on. I would either call you all idiots immediately because to me, thinking with a town mindset, It would be fucking retarded that i slipped as town.
Or I wouldn't even understand how it was a slip and thus 'be' confused as to how it was a slip in the first place.
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On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason.
Yeah. He would have. Because he slipped.
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I have to admire blazinghand's method of diffusing the situation by being hyper aware of everything and explaining it for people. Doesn't stop him being scum. It is his default tactic for shit like this.
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On May 20 2013 13:40 s0Lstice wrote:
No, BH. I was referencing the leverage you would gain with town. Not the game size. Like DP says though, that part is not important.
DP, you are 100% convinced that a town BH who is not reading the thread could have said what he said?
I'm 100% convinced that the slip in concert with the reactions immediately afterwards means we are dealing with a scum blazinghand.
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Additionally, even if blazinghand was not reading the thread, if he knew how many players were in the game then he would not have said 3 person scum team.
And it is a very safe assumption that BH knew the size of the game.
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On May 20 2013 15:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 15:10 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like you already.
You make an apparent scumslip and act SCUMMY AS FUCK afterward.
I think you should die.
Seems easy enough. Ok, describe SPECIFICALLY which part of my actions are scummy, and why. If for no other reason to collect town cred when I flip red! I feel like I've debunked all of DP's points but I'd like to hear what someone other than him has to say
LOL no.
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On May 20 2013 15:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I would like a specific point-by-point explanation about why you think I'm scum.
1. You scum slipped.
2. you acted scummy as fuck afterwards.
/dunked
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On May 20 2013 15:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Wow you know what would have been awesome? If DP and I were scum this game and we orchestrated this as a bus. I gotta give something like this a try sometime.
Fucking what? WIFOM now. This is over. Burn him with the fury of a thousand suns.
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OK. Blazinghand is going to kick and scream and talk and talk and talk and argue away the slip.
The fact remains that I am 100% confident he is scum. He slipped. Plain and simple. He slipped whilst trying to become confirmed town via his role.
His mindset Directly after the slip is scummy as shit. He composes himself later and tries to drown out the blatantly scummy posts of his but it is too late. No matter what BH says he can't change those few posts which complete reveal a scum mindset.
Add to that the only reason he is alive today is due to a Mason claim which could be scum aligned just makes this all the more obvious.
Lynch Blazinghand tomorrow. No excuses. No Exceptions. No matter how hard he fights it.
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On May 20 2013 17:05 Blazinghand wrote:
I've given completely reasonable explanations, explanations that are in my opinion AS or MORE likely to be true than the various explanations DP has offered for my actions after the "scumslip". For what it's worth, I make one-off comments, asides, wry observations and such ALL THE TIME. I even make ones that make me look weird/scummy (as town OR scum) because that's just my personality. I keep it casual. If you think all my actions after the "scumslip" are scummy BECAUSE all my actions BEFORE the scumslip are scummy, you're privileging the hypothesis-- or in mafia parlance, tunnelling.
Actually all you have done is desperately fling meta into the thread to try and prove you do things as both alignments. I don't give a fuck about your meta. This isn't a meta case so stop bringing meta into it.
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On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.
I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv.
Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner.
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On May 20 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 17:29 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.
I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv. Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner. How likely is it that a scum masoner has the presence of mind to omit the existence if his own role when considering how to make himself confirmed town to the thread? If he did this, he's better at scum than I thought.
It's something I would do when fake claiming.
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On May 20 2013 17:44 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 17:39 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote:On May 20 2013 17:29 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.
I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv. Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner. How likely is it that a scum masoner has the presence of mind to omit the existence if his own role when considering how to make himself confirmed town to the thread? If he did this, he's better at scum than I thought. It's something I would do when fake claiming. But that begs the question, if he's that precise, why is he also scumslipping in the same post? Don't those ideas seem mutually exclusive?
Have you ever scum slipped? I have. and it is not the big things that you slip on. It's stupid little pieces of extra knowledge that you shouldn't have but you end up taking for granted that you do have. It's not the big things you are careful not to reveal. (like the existence of a mafia mason etc.) But tiny little details that you don;t have at the forefront of your mind.
As an example here are my two biggest scumslips of all time.
On October 12 2012 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum were sure they could get me lynched if they didn't withhold their KP. As in, if someone claims getting shot, then their play was to lynch me I think. That's the only way I can make sense of still being alive.
Did I already tell you guys I suspect the "Detective" role is the scum roleblocker? The only way I can see scum missing both KP is if there was a 3rd medic and/or they tried to shoot into BC again and he is 3rd party.
The first one I let slip the Scum KP total whilst talking about something else entirely. The amount of KP was not common knowledge but I had been working with that knowledge as agiven for so long that I didn't think about hiding it.
On March 18 2013 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 10:24 marvellosity wrote:On March 18 2013 10:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 10:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 18 2013 10:16 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2013 10:12 marvellosity wrote:
actually the most inresting thing about that comment from DP is that he's basically accepting Hiro is town. hmm. Yep because as YOU YOURSELF stated there is no reason for scum hiro to fake claim at that point in time and it also didn;t read like a mafia claim because it wasn't polished at all and looks kind of bad. Mafia claims are going to be spot on really well crafted things. This wasn't therefore we should kill vivax. there are a bunch of players who are likely frame targets. crossfire, stutters, sloosh, DP, Vivax, risk, prplhz and you're arguing there's a high likelihood vivax gets framed? no, with that many players who are lynchable, the chances are very very low that vivax gets framed. possible, but maybe 15% Not worth the risk at LYLO. But you won't listen to me. IT'S NOT WORTH THE RISK OF LYNCHING A REDCHECK AT LYLO am i hearing this right?!?!?!?!?!? It's not worth lynching a red check with a confirmed framer in the game when that check is the most likely to have been framed. I don't want to risk the entire game on it. also I am pretty sure you are scum and Vivax is town and the fact you are pushing it so hard makes me even more sure that lynching you is the best option. But you are not going to agree with me because you are scum so I am going to disengage with you once again so you can't crap all over the thread like you did with foolishness.
The second slip is saying that there is a confirmed framer in the game as I had a red check on me at that point and I am acting all townie keeping up the facade. The problem is I had been calling marvellosity scum the whole time so by saying there was a confirmed framer due to his red check I was treating marv, someone I was calling scum as confirmed town.
Both slips are of tiny pieces of knowledge that I had taken for granted and were not directly relevant to what I was talking about. Both times I noticed immediately and wanted to explain myself immediately. (like blazinghand actually did) But had the restraint to ignore them and they got swept under the carpet.
Blazinghands slip is in exactly the same situation. He is talking about something else entirely and a piece of extra knowledge that is not directly correlated to what he is saying slips out.
When it comes to slips I know what I am talking about and I hope this example of some of my own slips can give you some insight as to what to look for.
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On May 20 2013 17:49 yamato77 wrote:
DP, you can play this game, too. Talk to me about a scum read of yours that's not BH. Even if you're right and he's scum, he has 2 teammates.
Dandel if he continues to be passive and useless in direct contrast to his entrance. JJD Barring some vast improvement after the weekend.
To be honest though neither of them are as good a lynch as blazinghand. And both would need to be pressured throughout the next cycle for me to be sure of their alignments.
To be honest, Anyone that isn't You, marv, perfection is fair game to me at this point.
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So marv. You think he slipped or not?
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On May 20 2013 19:08 marvellosity wrote:I think so, but I don't have your legendary decisiveness  Given BlazingHand has made a 1000 word case on his confirmed town mason partner before, I don't put it past him as town either.
LOL.
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Just as an aside. I'd like a medic to flip a coin and then prot one of myself or marv.
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On May 20 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote:
It's funny, but you rather get my point. Sometimes Blazing catches a bunch of mafia, sometimes he does something so mindblowing you can't even comprehend it.
The problem with it is as you mention; it's actually not mindboggling weird or dumb, it's just 'off' and implies extra information. But could a town Blazing also have gone "derp it's a mini, there's 3 mafia"? maybe too.
I'm going to not think about Blazing's alignment for the rest of night 1 / first half of day 2 (if I'm alive, naturally) and try to find mafia in the rest of the people.
It's not just the slip. It's the posts immediately after that. He is scum and needs to die. No question. No excuses. Just lynch the shit out of him.
On May 20 2013 19:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 19:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Just as an aside. I'd like a medic to flip a coin and then prot one of myself or marv. yeah, that's how i always end up dying day 1. :< I think the only time i've ever been protected on day 1 was a) when I'm mafia or b) Personality 2.
I died in 24 hours in my last game. I want that medic prot. Both you and I are a good save though.
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On May 20 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 19:28 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote:
It's funny, but you rather get my point. Sometimes Blazing catches a bunch of mafia, sometimes he does something so mindblowing you can't even comprehend it.
The problem with it is as you mention; it's actually not mindboggling weird or dumb, it's just 'off' and implies extra information. But could a town Blazing also have gone "derp it's a mini, there's 3 mafia"? maybe too.
I'm going to not think about Blazing's alignment for the rest of night 1 / first half of day 2 (if I'm alive, naturally) and try to find mafia in the rest of the people. It's not just the slip. It's the posts immediately after that. He is scum and needs to die. No question. No excuses. Just lynch the shit out of him. On May 20 2013 19:19 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 19:18 DarthPunk wrote:
Just as an aside. I'd like a medic to flip a coin and then prot one of myself or marv. yeah, that's how i always end up dying day 1. :< I think the only time i've ever been protected on day 1 was a) when I'm mafia or b) Personality 2. I died in 24 hours in my last game. I want that medic prot. Both you and I are a good save though. Like the fact that I am pretty chill and casual and also advocate strongly for my beliefs is not imo a scumtell. Everything I've posted has had a reasonable or hilarious explanation that is as or more reasonable than the scum-based explantion you're been pushing. If you want to refute my individual points, I'll be glad to argue this again with you after I get some sleep. But really man I don't think you have a leg to stand on there.
NO.
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On May 20 2013 19:34 marvellosity wrote:
Fine. DP, stop prodding BH and let him do his thing.
I can't bear reading another 5 pages that will say exactly the same things as the past 5 we had on the matter.
I'm not even talking to blazinghand. I am talking to you. Because if I die I want you to fucking lynch him. And if you die I will fucking lynch him.
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