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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 18 2013 23:37 GMT
#881
hey guys, back in thread and catching up now
ATOBTTR
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
May 18 2013 23:48 GMT
#882
@Rayne:

How on Earth do you go from aggressively voting me to this?:

On May 19 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
whatevs, i'm off to bed. you should prolly talk about vayne's policies or some other shit like that, and waste 20 pages..

vote for scum, vote for iamp. if not, BH or the russian dude.


I'm not even a suspect on your list now?



By the way I'm back guys, so feel free to ask questions if you have any. I noticed there's a few votes on me now. I need to look through what's happened in the last few pages to see what's up. Perhaps if someone can summarize the case points people still have to think I'm scum that would be great.

I'll get out my latest reads here soonish. As for if you're serious about mislynching me, then I promise you I'll have a list post ready to get out my thoughts on everyone before the deadline.


As an aside:

I'm quite used to this kind of situation. Maybe it's my posting style, but every game it seems people aggro on me like this on day one. If you were to look at my past games as town you'd see this. I shine much more day 2 and onward. My day ones always seem to be like this for whatever reason...
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 00:00 GMT
#883
I'm interested to see both of you post more

I need convincing on any lynch at the moment.
Writer@WriterYamato
Spicydinosaur
Profile Joined April 2013
United States382 Posts
May 19 2013 00:26 GMT
#884
I'm reading raynpelikoneet as a shitty town. He claimed that GK was scum and supported it with a number of points in a couple of posts. This may not be the best argument but at least he's supporting his position.

On May 19 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, here is the case, Goodkarma:

- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation.
- Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS!
- His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false.
- His meta comparsion on me is false.
- His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum.


On May 19 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GK:
- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does?
- About me. What games about me you have read?
- About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM".

I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then.


However he then goes off the rails with iamperfection after he gives his quick view of the group.

On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though


Okay, this guy claimed scum.
##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfection


ggyo


On May 19 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp, yamato, marm; i am involved, i am voting for iamp atm. he is calling one gut town and one guy null for same reasons. that is bullshit imo.

and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion.



This seems more like a impulse child vote than anything throwing a hissy fit because he feels his play is on a different level. There is a clear difference in the mentality that went into the voting of GK and iamp. Seems very spammy for spammy sake.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 19 2013 00:27 GMT
#885
how much longer are you gonna be around yamato? im reading and writing as we speak but its taking longer than i thought
ATOBTTR
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 19 2013 00:34 GMT
#886
I'm back.

Vayne can you explain why you think I'm scum except that s0l asked if I had played scum before. Pretty weak reasoning. I get asked that at least once a game by people who don't know me.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 00:46 GMT
#887
OK I was inclined to drop the case on WoS because he seemed to be useful and contributing. But on closer inspection a lot of the same things that original put me off about him remain in his posts.

This post for example contains all the fundamental issues I had with WoS in an earlier post.

On May 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah and ##Vote: Goodkarma

You tempt me, good sir, but I dunno your cases don't seem....fleshed out enough? In your Gk case explain how the meta reads are false for example.
Also Dandel scumread? Interesting.

As far as marv goes I believe his explanation was that JJD has played his games and doesn't get a newbie pass to lurk the way he has? I agree with this to some extent but I also agree with what GK said that it seems more likely for JJD to come back and actually do something later in the game than sputnik who was satisfied to scum up the thread and then fuck off.


Like here he is 'tempted' to join the goodkarma wagon? like wtf is that? You either vote for goodkarma cause you think he is scum. Or you don't because you don't know. I don't know how you could be tempted to join a wagon as town, especially when you in the next sentence say you agree with GK about something. And marv BTW at the same time. on two different sides of a position.

Regardless I think it's probably best to once again take a wait and see approach to WoS i'm sure if he is scum he will slip up somewhere, and I would rather not lynch someone who clearly gives a shit about the game.

##unvote

ok Gonna continue catching up with the thread.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 00:47 GMT
#888
On May 19 2013 06:31 marvellosity wrote:
DP - I'm not so sure I like this WoS wagon anymore. What say you?


Yeha. For the moment It's not a good lynch.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 00:51 GMT
#889
On May 19 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Wave - I hosted goodkarma's first (I think?) newbie game, number 24.

In this game, in the first 2 days, town had massive problems with consolidation, despite it being plurality lynch. Votes were spread all over the place. Only on day 3 did GK understand the value of consolidation (even in plurality). So that point doesn't ring true to me, just because I know goodkarma was taught a serious lesson about consolidation. You can go read his filter from there, or perhaps you could read my post-game analysis there where I touch on the same things.


Yeah I was in that game. I can completely understand a town GK wanting to consolidate in plurality. Consolidating in plurality is not about getting a lynch off. It's about getting the RIGHT lynch off.

Anyway, GK is NOT a good lynch today. I am confident in my ability to read him as the game goes on and his ability to prove his townieness.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 00:52 GMT
#890
On May 19 2013 07:09 iamperfection wrote:
This is my current thinking

1. Stutters695- very null I feel like im watching a rerun of a cartoon i have seen like 6 times. If he says yo im going to busy for the next 8 hours catch you later i will reach through the computer and bitch slap him

2. iamperfection- Innocent child

3. grush57- Starsenses- he can be vigged though the point that i had to drag it out of him makes sense. Plus he is useless anyways.

4. Blazinghand- Very null. May suffer from sudden amnesia. nothing he has done has shown me that oh shit bh clearly thinking deeply and clearly about the game. I have seen bh derp it up before as town but generally he is super involved even when he is derping it up and im just not getting that feel from him of his overall commitment to town

5. WaveofShadow- i dont know- He dosnt seem that scummy to me reading his filter. Activity is ok seems to care to me probally should have a town read on him

6. JarJarDrinks- summyish more like null though- Has been generally inactive. It was wierd when he was confused on what i meant earlier with him and bh. I dont know what to make of that

7. goodkarma- scum- It seems like to me he is going from easy target to easy target. I dont see much interaction with town it seems he is more interested in trying to justify why he is voting for some or why he is voting then actually trying to figure things out. has been not very active and if you look at the filter i dont see the interaction with town that i would think you would see from a town player. Focused on justification more than figuring it out it looks to me.

8. yamato77- null- want to know why he thinks gk is town because i dont see it.

9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

10. VayneAuthority- town- Seems to be making a spectacle of himself thats a townie trait. I ignore most of his posts though

11. sputnik.theory- Scum- THe only thing that bothers me is that he claim vt for good knows what reason which is confusing if he were to be scum. The rest of his filter is complete shit. List post general inactivity not hunting scum.

12. marvellosity-town Our mind meld when we posted the same exact thought about bh's point about jar jar makes me think he is town. Been generally active and seems to care. Probably should only be suspicious of him if i die over him. If that were to happen lean on him heavily for support to figure out the game. If he gets lazy stab him in the back.

13. Spicydinosaur-town Went against thread sentiment with his thoughts on grush would be weird to do that as scum with everyone against him. marv had a point to i guess you can use that lesser argument as well for evidence that he is town.

14. Dandel Ion -town- i Didn't think his shit fest with marv made him scum at all and all his posts in general seem to have been pretty reasonable to me.

15. DarthPunk- town- His pressure on wos seems sincere i also liked his quick answer to my pressure in the beginning. No reason to not think he is town at the moment.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though


LIST POST!!! OMDG LYNCH DIS MAN.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 00:54 GMT
#891
On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though


Okay, this guy claimed scum.
##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfection


ggyo


LoL this is like so townie to me.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 00:55 GMT
#892
On May 19 2013 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
wathever if we have a vig rayn is good target he is speaking nonsense and nonsense is the number one target for vigs.


Nah. He is town bro. Yes he is talking nonsense. But that be some townie nonsense.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 00:58 GMT
#893
OK all caught up. I think I want to lynch Sputnik today due to process of elimination. IE there are no other lynches I would be comfortable with.

Yamato? Still around? How do you feel about a straight up lurker/weirdness lynch on Sputnik?

##Vote: Sputnik Theory
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 00:58 GMT
#894
I'll mull it over. Playing DotA atm.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 01:04 GMT
#895
If he never comes back we can lynch him. Flavor text is cool and all but he has yet to do anything substantive.
Writer@WriterYamato
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 01:04 GMT
#896
On May 19 2013 09:26 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm reading raynpelikoneet as a shitty town. He claimed that GK was scum and supported it with a number of points in a couple of posts. This may not be the best argument but at least he's supporting his position.

Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, here is the case, Goodkarma:

- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation.
- Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS!
- His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false.
- His meta comparsion on me is false.
- His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum.


Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GK:
- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does?
- About me. What games about me you have read?
- About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM".

I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then.


However he then goes off the rails with iamperfection after he gives his quick view of the group.

Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though


Okay, this guy claimed scum.
##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfection


ggyo


Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp, yamato, marm; i am involved, i am voting for iamp atm. he is calling one gut town and one guy null for same reasons. that is bullshit imo.

and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion.



This seems more like a impulse child vote than anything throwing a hissy fit because he feels his play is on a different level. There is a clear difference in the mentality that went into the voting of GK and iamp. Seems very spammy for spammy sake.


Who do you want to lynch. I agree with you on Rayn being shitty town. What I want to know is who is getting the noose. I suggest you take a look at sputnik for being a solid lynch for today.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
May 19 2013 01:28 GMT
#897
Ew. I just looked at Sputnik's last game. He was vigged night one as a blue. Admittedly he did more that game than this game (although not by much) not sure if he is a good lynch after all.

##unvote
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 19 2013 01:41 GMT
#898
On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
--snip

Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now?


At the time, I felt there was much more to go on with GK, hence my case. Sputnik had the list, and the purposely evasive RP speak. The VT claim gave me pause though, and it's still kind of mindfucking me. I voted for who I was more sure about

goodkarma

As to your defense, your interpretation of grushs actions is acceptable. With the added explanation, your point on grush holding himself to his own meta in regards to the period of time before he was pressured is a legitimate one. Still stinky though is the timing of the case, and your JarJar lurky post.

I'm catching up while writing this....your posts since then seem pretty town. Enough that I don't want to you kill right now.

marv

On May 18 2013 18:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 14:04 s0Lstice wrote:
All the same...do you know what I would do if I was in Marv's shoes? After all these games, the victories, the early NKs as town, the high win percentage as scum...with that Hapa case floating around out there, and (this is important) people around me itching to lynch me as the game goes on regardless of how I've played because as town I'm so rarely alive late into games..

I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up.

I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile.

Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is.


Reading the thread atm. I'd quite like to know where you're going with this, because it's an awfully passive-aggressive way of trying to put suspicion on me.

Your argument boils down to "marv was more polite than i expected" and you've managed to drag that out over numerous posts and paragraphs. You're also basically completely making up a narrative for a player who isn't you, and for a player you can't possibly understand. What gives?


You were the topic of conversation at the time. It was an unfinished thought, but I shared it anyway, because it is related to what DP was saying about you, and iamp addressed me directly about it. It means nothing without the meta backing, which, due to my absence, I am not currently fresh on. I stand by saying it though, because its possible that someone who has been closely following your recent games would know off-hand whether you were following a pattern.

____________________________________

Still waiting to hear from Stutters on what he makes of me attacking one of his scum reads.

Vayne, I really haven't thought much of your suspicions of me, because your reasoning is pretty poor, frankly. I'd prefer it though if your time wasn't wasted on suspecting me, so let's open up a dialogue and become besties. I'm not happy with my scumspecs at the moment and that takes priority, but I'll try to alleviate your concerns after some quality filter time.

Now to the filters...as I said though I'll be checking the thread in the interim and I'm here for awhile.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 19 2013 01:44 GMT
#899
oh almost forgot

##unvote
ATOBTTR
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 01:51 GMT
#900
What about Dandel, DP? Any thoughts on him?
Writer@WriterYamato
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