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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 15:30 GMT
#2104
Like, basically: it's an option, yes, but it doesn't fit the facts as well as him being scum does.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 15:31 GMT
#2105
On May 23 2013 00:25 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 23:56 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 22 2013 23:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On May 22 2013 23:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 22 2013 23:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On May 22 2013 23:17 Blazinghand wrote:
And to be real, time, effort, willingness to post are all limited resources. I'm probably one of the few people in TL Mafia who, when put into the position of being guaranteed as a mislynch, actually does work. Needless to say, today would have been a day without analysis or commentary if not for me. As far as you know, I'm scum jerking you around, but once I flip, you'll be like "he died for our sins... truly he was the best of us, and we let him down"

I'll be like the Jesus Christ of this game.


Calling bs on the bolded part. If you didn't have your slip, there wouldn't have been a singular focus on anyone at the start of D2. You HAD to say something today because of the mess you started. I award you no brownie points for that.


The mess I started? I didn't choose to "slip", it just happened, and I did my best to explain how it isn't a slip. The fact that people decided that based on this, they should vote me, is understandable. The fact that they decided that based on this, they should vote me and stop talking, is not. I mean, I guess it's totally understandable: people are lazy and dumb and mafia are good at imitating that kind of behavior. Even though I understand it, I don't condone it. Even during my tunnellest of tunnels, I try to still talk to people about other things.


At this point you are going to get lynched since too many people are convinced you are scum. I suggest to just get as many reads off as you can as that is the best way to help town at this point. Dont' bother trying to do anything else as its a waste of time. No more self reflective posts, just reads. If you flip scum then we can just ignore it, but if you flip town, then we can possibly use it.


Self reflective reads aren't useful for demonstrating I'm town, either. They're just there because that's what I like to post! It's always been clear ever since the "scumslip" that I was going to be lynched today. For whatever reason, the fact that I realized this immediately was scummy, but the point remains. I see no reason not to puff up my ego and fluff my feathers before I get lynched. What are you gonna do to stop me, vote me? hue


My point was that if you truly cared about this game and were truly town, you would stop posting shit like this. Why the antagonism at the end there... actually nvm, this conversation is going nowhere.


It's not antagonism, it's a JOKE. The "hue" at the end of it isn't me talking about colour, it's me giggling. The point is, I'm dead anyways, which means I alone here am free to express whatever thoughts come to mind.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 15:36 GMT
#2109
Yeah Spicy isn't antagonizing me, he's trying to make me use my time wisely. He's one of the people who thinks I am town!
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 15:37 GMT
#2110
Or rather, he's one of the people who would rather lynch GK first. Regardless, he's voting with me rather than against me, so he's allowed to boss me around a bit lol
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 16:09 GMT
#2114
On May 22 2013 17:22 yamato77 wrote:
Anyone here want to converse about this game?

The game I want to play is: show me a case and I'll evaluate its strengths and weaknesses.

Perhaps I can update myself on the game in the process, as I've paid little attention to the goings on of this thread today.


* raises hand!*

Yamato, I'm renewing my request that you take a look at my GK case. About 10 hours before you offered to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of the case, I specifically asked you to look at it, and although you've commented to me about ihop and other things you seem not to have noticed, in your zeal to converse about the game, that I want to converse with you about the game.

On May 22 2013 07:03 Blazinghand wrote:
Yamato, I personally request this from you as well, since, as you admit, you've slowed down. I'd like you to weigh in on my GK case, specifically the meta component (since we're not talking about PM shenannnies) and let me know what you think of it.

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On May 22 2013 06:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
On May 22 2013 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:
And, I get it, maybe you think I'm scum, but at the very least if we're dead set on lynching me today we might as well discuss the next lynch, right? Pretend I'm town and talk with me, and if I flip scum if you want you can ignore it all, but I'm going to flip town and you're going to be very glad you did talk with me.


I asked you what you thought about my reads a little while ago, could you go towards the end of my filter and tell me what you think?


Absolutely.


I know you've been around, Yamato, but you haven't weighed in on my GK case. You can read it here: (link).

Your mentions of GK have been generally sparse. You called him "obviously town" during D1 (link), bringing up his high levels of effort (link). You give him a null meta read (link) which imo is incorrect, then call him town again (link), then call him town again then call him null again in the same post, then say you are unsure (link). You mention him a couple times in passing and imply he's not a good lynch (link) then you say we should leave BH alone and lynch GK (link). Then you criticize GK for sheeping (link) and call him and me a good lynch (link) without any explanation, then say you're on the fence about GK, again without any explanation (link). You then call GK a bad lynch without any explanation (link) ALL DURING DAY 1.

During N1 you say.. well I'm not really sure what you're saying here, but you say this
On May 21 2013 03:36 yamato77 wrote:
I think that Dandel and GoodKarma are people to look at tomorrow. I've outlined Dandel already, so I'll explain my read on GK. While he explained his suspicions well, it's somewhat difficult to discern GK's true alignment. He seems to be sharply following thread sentiment. I can't reason which of his games he looks more like this game. Solstice made what I feel is a valid point in that he does seem to be continually defending his position, which is in line with my overview of his scum meta.


So yeah I don't know what your read on him is from that.

Then today you call him scummy and say he should be lynched after me (link).

So yeah I really have no idea whether or not you have a consistent read on GK (yet you seem to want to lynch him). You've ignored my direct requests to review the GK case, [i]despite being confused and trying to make a meta read on GK[/o] and despite asking the thread for cases to review.

Come on, man. Get your shit together.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 17:04 GMT
#2117
So you think GK is scum, and you agree with my case
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 17:16 GMT
#2120
On May 23 2013 02:09 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 02:04 Blazinghand wrote:
So you think GK is scum, and you agree with my case

It's definitely not the first time a meta case was made on GK this game, so don't act like it's "your" case.


Yeah but the other meta cases were all bad, claiming to be a null read or claiming he's scum for the wrong reason.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 17:17 GMT
#2121
Like literally the only reason GK is getting lynched tomorrow is because I'm here to push him today. You can thank me later.

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 17:58 GMT
#2123
Unlikely. Once I flip town, people will sheep my strongest scumread, GK. They'll read my case and be convinced.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 18:54 GMT
#2126
Yeah I'm actually putting together a meta read on him. I'll make sure to get it in before the flip.

but in the meantime let me tide you over with this wonderful post from DrH in British Empire II


On March 06 2013 07:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, I'm moving back to Dandel Ion. He was aggressive to begin with. And now he's playing scared and talking about the setup, something that might have been very carefully parsed in the scum QT. One of my rules of thumb is that the more familiar a player is with the rules/setup, the more carefully they have considered it, the more likely it is they are scum. Scum begin the game by talking about setup, considering their options (roleclaims, etc.) and asking a lot of questions to the host.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 18:55 GMT
#2127
Oh I guess that doesn't really make sense as a defense if you think I "slipped" that there are 3 scum, since that is a fact about the setup. It makes sense from my perspective though because I just wasn't aware of the game size lol
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 19:05 GMT
#2128
I am more confident in my DI scumread than I was before rereading his filter. Like, after I flip, don't just be mad at people who thought I was scum (or thought I was town), take a look at people's reasoning. From what I can tell, Dandel is giving some kind of a townread on me, but here are his only mentions of me at all since the end of D1:

On May 21 2013 06:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
Why would a team around scum-BH shoot iamperfection, directly implicating him further?

Basically, that assumes that either a SK shot iamp, or he's getting bussed all the way. Otherwise it just makes no sense.
On May 22 2013 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
lol bh


and he responded to me once when I talked about who was online when the shot switched to iamp:
On May 22 2013 06:48 Dandel Ion wrote:
but good point on the switch onto iamp

although, i guess as was pointed out, it's technically possible he was the shot all along, albeit unlikely, seeing as Hapa is not on the player list


but he has not mentioned his GK scumread, and despite the fact that he's implied some evidence makes me look townie, he has not stated his read on me, or voted for me or GK today. He's had plenty of time, and is doing a decent job of staying above the activity threshold

now far be it from me to say that someone is being too inactive to contribute in such an inactive town, but dandel ion who i guess thinks i'm town(?) and has his top scumread as the counterwagon to my unstoppable lynch wagon (GK), has not weighed in, has not voted, has not responded to my case on GK, hasn't really said anything.

He's not literally inactive, i mean-- he's here, he's reading, he's responded to a post or two of mine. He's just not taking part in the discourse, not even the "beat up blazinghand all the time" discourse. He's scum.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 19:13 GMT
#2130
Thinking more about Dandel, a lot of the way he was caught in British Empire was that he was mostly omgusing townies and failed a distance/bussing attempt on his partner. He openly pushed scum objectives and was lynched for it. He didn't analyze, he just threw out reads and moved them around, trying to cause mislynches.

Contrast how he played in Red Team's Prize, where he is more often talking about one player at a time, asking people questions, and trying to gain information. This game he's done a lot of trolling and not a lot of trying to figure things out, as well as some weird vote-throwing. That being said, his attack on GK doesn't jive with my idea of how he's played scum. I won't draw an associative tell between unflipped players, but since I won't be alive to do so later, if GK flips town I consider this soft evidence for DI's scumminess. That being said, I anticipate GK flipping scum, which is probably null evidence for DI's scumminess-- he may have learned to bus since not bussing cost him the game in British Empire Mini II.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 19:14 GMT
#2131
On May 23 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
I think you have 3 hours.

I'll prepare the eulogy.


I actually will have to go before then! I'll be dropping in a final post in here a moment.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 19:23 GMT
#2132
So, I'm not going to be around for the flip. I'm going to start with my two big townreads.

Marvellosity is town. I have NEVER been more sure of someone being town in my mafia career. Also, he's the only guy who's like never mislynched grush

DarthPunk is town. I'm less sure of this, since he didn't do anything at all for all of D2 (not even really pressuring other people! But I think it's unlikely scum would get all on a townie for a perceived scumslip.


Scumreads:

[b]GK. We all know why. By met and activity and etc.

WoS is scum. He started shitting up the thread as soon as people unvoted me, he's been pushing scum agenda, etc etc.

DI is scum. scroll up to see.





yeah it's a list post, it wont' earn my any cred. GK > WoS > DI in terms of priority
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 19:23 GMT
#2133
gg gl i got jubjubbed this game

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 19:27 GMT
#2134
oh ONE FINAL HEURISTIC

don't look at who votes me and who doesn't

look at what people said, look at their history of whether they believe in scumslips

if they were playing or observing in STtrm Mafia II or Mario Mini where I played like this

WHY they think they are voting me

what they did during D2 when movement was slow

this is the most important, the meanings behind the actions, not the actions themselves

consistency in their beliefs-- is this what they would think
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 20:00 GMT
#2139
On May 22 2013 11:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 11:22 grush57 wrote:
gaiz only scum try to lynch me
STARSENSES
herp derp
##Vote: goodkarma


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On May 21 2013 04:57 grush57 wrote:
hello.
I have been doing stuff other the weekend.
I was thinking GK was scum now marv just made a case on him.
So I'll vote for him tomorrow.


these is your only mention of GK. What do you think of my case here?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18665161

weigh in.

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 20:01 GMT
#2140
I'm still here btw just can't write long cases or anything
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
May 22 2013 20:46 GMT
#2142
marv town

jesus h christ

also he's been playing just like he's played as town

he's been less active today but i give him a pass on it. read his QT with iamp, scum marv would have advised early mason claim rather than advising against because he doesn't want to be implicated trust me
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