EPTAFAIK, you play way more passively and 'quiet'
This feels like nomination, where you posted good shit that helped you to not get lynched? yeah. I think you didnt get lynched
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
AFAIK, you play way more passively and 'quiet' This feels like nomination, where you posted good shit that helped you to not get lynched? yeah. I think you didnt get lynched | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On May 21 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote: AFAIK, you play way more passively and 'quiet' This feels like nomination, where you posted good shit that helped you to not get lynched? yeah. I think you didnt get lynched Interesting. I've never been scum. I rolled town in every game so far. So it's interesting that you can conclude that I'm town for meta reasons. And my normal town meta so far was "scummily lurk around the first few days without taking stances". I'm still interested in who the second scum is in your opinion. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 21 2013 15:16 phagga wrote: Interesting. I've never been scum. I rolled town in every game so far. So it's interesting that you can conclude that I'm town for meta reasons. And my normal town meta so far was "scummily lurk around the first few days without taking stances". I'm still interested in who the second scum is in your opinion. Huh you never rolled scum. Why are all of you so lucky. Why. So sad that I roll scum often  . Second scum is mkfuba. Why? Because he is town because of flashlight? Why not fake it and douse a puppets light? I dont think its alignment indicative. Further more, day 1, he flipped from dec to Vivax and around, and since both of them are scum(probably), then he looks good no matter what. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On May 21 2013 14:48 phagga wrote: Sentinel and Oats, if decon is scum and I am town, you guys are either suspecting each other for the last scum or mkfuba. Which is it and why? mkfuba, what is your take on all of this? I'm trying to reign in my overactive imagination at the moment. Possibilities are flying through my mind, and I don't know which one I think is more likely. I'll try to put down my thoughts in words, but they'll probably be somewhat rambling, incredibly fluffy, and wishy-washy. Anyone who's seen some of my cases from previous games knows how I let myself get carried away, wishfully thinking I've cracked some grand plot. First, just some things to keep in mind: it's lylo. Not only that, but for the angels to win they actually have to feed on us the next two nights (not kill us, and not just let us lynch ourselves to death). Because of this, I feel incredibly stupid for moving towards Zephirdd, especially when he was apparently a tempting target last night. Considering that it's possible neither of the alignments could win led to me thinking about the possible 3rd party, and the fact that we supposedly had 4 blue roles out of 9 townies with only 3 angels. I doubt deconduo's claim very little (maybe 10% or something), since I feel it would have been very brave to fakeclaim a DT role when there might be one on the other team, but I do question whether or not he's actually blue. Next, given that I (pretty much) believe deconduo's claim, why in the hell is he alive? Sure, killing a confirmed townie in Zephirdd is good, but killing a DT that can still make checks seems better. So this leaves a few options: either deconduo is scum (which I doubt), scum were willing to throw away oats for almost nothing (also doubt - they had two entire nights to kill deconduo if they felt it necessary), or they gained something from this check. This brings me around to why phagga felt it would be better to get oats AND himself checked in the same night. This comes down significantly to whether or not you believe deconduo has the power he claims to have. From a town phagga perspective, what does town gain when both of them are checked? If oats is town, then we know they're both town (though little suspicion was on phagga in the first place). If oats is scum, then phagga knows oats is scum, and the rest of the players are left knowing that one of the two is scum, but are still unsure of which. Compare this to if oats was checked alone, and we see a 100% confirmation of oats's alignment. Phagga gains just as much knowledge as he would have otherwise, and the rest of us are left without that doubt left by the 50/50 check. So why do it in the first place? It doesn't help you, it doesn't help town. It does, however, help a lot if phagga is scum. As scum, he knows that they only need one more mislynch (after ghost) to win the game and they have no reason to doubt deconduo's claim. They know that most of the people in the game are willing to vote oats if they can be tipped in that direction, but they also know that deconduo is going to give oats a green check once he finally reaches him. What's one way that they can clinch the game in their favor? By giving deconduo that one red check he needed. It doesn't matter if phagga gives himself away as an angel after the oats flip, because after we lynch oats, the angels have the phone box (sorry, I really wanted to say that). I previously said that this depends significantly on whether or not you believe deconduo, but in retrospect, it doesn't. It comes entirely down to phagga's reasoning when he made this decision, and I see far more scum than town there. ##Vote: phagga | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Next, given that I (pretty much) believe deconduo's claim, why in the hell is he alive? Sure, killing a confirmed townie in Zephirdd is good, but killing a DT that can still make checks seems better. So this leaves a few options: either deconduo is scum (which I doubt), scum were willing to throw away oats for almost nothing (also doubt - they had two entire nights to kill deconduo if they felt it necessary), or they gained something from this check. This brings me around to why phagga felt it would be better to get oats AND himself checked in the same night. This actually makes a lotta sense. ##Unvote ##Vote: Phagga I am possibly wrong about the meta thing considering that phagga has never played scum. What I was basing my read off of was the fact that he hasnt been lurky and shit and has been active, but all that stuff isnt really alignment indicative. Like confirmed townies are absolutely the worst thing for the scumteam near lylo, so why wouldnt they kill deconduo? So he can confirmed Phagga. ahhhh | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Now, what would have happened if he had not checked me, but only Oats and Oats is indeed town? Oats gets a green stamp. With Oats and decon seeing me as town, we would have lynched you or Sentinel. So what exactly would I have gained that I did not have before? I was so obvious town in this game that if I would be indeed scum and Oats gets confirmed town, I probably could have gotten mkfubar or Sentinel misslynched. Now you want to hinge this lynch on one single action around the deadline last night that could have come from a townie? I have not seen any mentioning of my name in your filter, nor any analysis of Oats, do you have any other reasons to believe I'm scum? Or what exactly in Oats play makes you think he is town while I am not? On May 21 2013 18:01 Oatsmaster wrote: This actually makes a lotta sense. ##Unvote ##Vote: Phagga I am possibly wrong about the meta thing considering that phagga has never played scum. What I was basing my read off of was the fact that he hasnt been lurky and shit and has been active, but all that stuff isnt really alignment indicative. Like confirmed townies are absolutely the worst thing for the scumteam near lylo, so why wouldnt they kill deconduo? So he can confirmed Phagga. ahhhh You fail at logic. If they killed deconduo and left zephirdd alive, Zeph would have been confirmed town at lylo. If anything, killing Zeph makes a ton more sense because he was already confimred, while people where doubting deconduos claim. Also, Zeph called me town several times and wanted Oats dead, while decon never spoke as town of me before the deadline.. If I was scum and Oats town, would I not want someone at lylo that sees me as town and Oats as scum? Which is exactly what Zephirdd thought about us. Actually, a lot of the recently killed thought like that. Let's have a look: On May 19 2013 04:56 Blazinghand wrote: if I die some last reads oats scum regardless of ffyt flip zeph still town make people talk I scuttle 5 feet left while looking straight On May 21 2013 04:29 ghost_403 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Random thoughts: I'm still not quite sure what to make of Dec's roleclaim. It does fit in well with the lore, but it seems surprisingly underpowered. Especially with the Doctor's ability to confirm people as town via his screwdriver. I have a lot of questions about this. Zepph is town. If he's not, I'm giving him the game. Sentinel has been playing badly all game thus far. He's been remarkably flip-floppy on nearly everything. Super unimpressed by his play. fuba has completely blended into the background. I haven't made any notes on him since the beginning of the game. Rereading his filter, the only thing really of note is the fact that his flashlight went out. I have no idea what to make of that. In general, I get a townie vibe from phagga. He hasn't posted too much, but he shows honest effort in the thread and really tries to figure out what's going on. I'm guessing that his lack of direct contributions to the thread is simply due to his schedule. And I think Oats is scum. If dec isn't dead tonight, spend a lot of time looking at him tomorrow. There's something off there. Not gonna be back before the deadline. In the unlikely event that you guys change your minds, I'm moving 4 left tonight. {gg gl hf} On May 19 2013 08:09 Zephirdd wrote: + Show Spoiler + In case people didn't realize it, I am a vigilante and I just shot sharrant. I guess I was wrong -_- I'm River Song. Fluff says I met the doctor on the wrong order blablabla and I have a bullet, which I just spent. Breadcumbs on first post: I could have a gun and point my flashlight to an angel, but I would not know it unless I had knowledge of my own handle(the letter on the board). Also, A and B are town. Like, A and B are confirmed town. Which means we don't lynch oats nor deconduo. That's how I'm interpreting it at least; or does puppets show as green to lanterns? A = deconduo GREEN B = oats GREEN C = phagga F = Sentinel G = Zephirdd H = ghost I = mkfuba phagga has been playing blatantly town this game. which leaves Sentinel, ghost and mkfuba. On May 21 2013 03:43 Zephirdd wrote: Mkfuba is probably town due to the flashlight thing. Many people called me town on day 1 and I was the first target for the blind thing, so it looks like a scum ability. Does not confirm him tho. If I die, prime targets should be oats and in case ghost is town, sentinel. Oats has been really useless and sentinel is just elimination process imo. Phagga and deconduo are better nk's IMO but deconduo can be wifom'd(hint hint he is town trust him) and phagga has not confirmed himself like I did. See you all in 4hrs or so if I survive. All these people thought that Oats is scum, and some thought that I am town. All are dead. Now let's check deconduos post before deadline: On May 21 2013 04:55 deconduo wrote: I'm pretty much dead tonight, so I'll give a quick summary of my thoughts: If ghost isn't scum I'll be pretty fucking surprised. If Zeph isn't town I'll be pretty fucking surprised. Listen to him if you are going to listen to anyone. I thought oats was scum initially after his scumslip, but why would he be so willing to be checked if he was? Maybe the hosts really did just allow the move for whatever reason. If I die tonight before I get to check him, keep a damn close eye on him. If he moves at all tonight, lynch him tomorrow. Between phagga, mkfuba and sent, I'm pretty null on all of them. The flashlight thing could be a 3rd party skill (we're still blind as to any 3rd party involvement as of yet) or it could be scum WIFOM. He is null on me and unsure about Oats, hoping for the check. If I was scum would I not prefer leaving Zephirdd alive over decon? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On May 21 2013 20:44 Oatsmaster wrote: who is the second scum phagga? Sentinel. What's your take? | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
Real quick, I'm ruling out Oats as scum assuming Dec flips red because for two scum to bus each other at lylo is incredibly stupid. If by some miracle he doesn't, it'll be too late to care. I'm rereading to find out the second scum, but I'm not voting him today. I'm voting deconduo today. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
yeah. Yeah he could be scum. Hmm. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##Vote Deconduo | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Sentinel, any news on your second scum read? mkfuba, where are you? I asked you about reads regarding Oats and me, please answer. Deconduo, what is your opinion on mkfubas post and vote on me? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 21 2013 15:09 Oatsmaster wrote: AFAIK, you play way more passively and 'quiet' This feels like nomination, where you posted good shit that helped you to not get lynched? yeah. I think you didnt get lynched This is hilarious. Phagga isn't scum because his scum meta is different. Except that he's never rolled scum. Clutching at straws much? On May 21 2013 22:19 phagga wrote: Any reason? He needs to accuse one of us. Sent is voting for me, mkfuba is voting for you. He figures its easier to convince mkfuba to switch rather than sent. @mkfuba Look over oats' and phagga's filters. Then tell me again you think phagga is scum between the two of them. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 22 2013 05:08 phagga wrote: Deconduo, what is your opinion on mkfubas post and vote on me? Why would you volunteer to be checked as scum? If you were scum and oats town, why not kill me 2 nights ago? I'd be dead night 2 and oats would get lynched the next day. I mean the only thing that was confusing me somewhat is why oats was willing to be checked. But the answer to that is he had no choice. If he refused to be checked he'd get lynched. If I died during the night he'd get lynched. So his plan (as we can see now) was to get checked, show up red and then call me scum and try and get me lynched first. If I died before I checked him he gets instalynched the next day. So instead he takes out the big town players, BH and Zeph. In the meantime, he just throws suspicion on me so that when the check finally goes through he cries 'scum'. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On May 17 2013 04:49 Blazinghand wrote: i see that there are 3 votes on vivax, for on deconduo. I will not let a no-lynch happen. there are 10 minutes remaining. everyone get onto deconduo. now. ##unvote ##vote deconduo I actually started writing out my claim post. I was also pretty pissed off that I would have to claim so soon. However just before I posted it I refreshed the page and saw this: On May 17 2013 04:53 Blazinghand wrote: sentinel with you me dec and ghost phagga oats we could have 6 on Vivax one more to lynch ANYONE WANT TO GO TO VIVAX? And so I stayed my hand a bit, and it worked out. Day 2, I realised how quickly things could turn, so I was a bit more prepared to claim. I also figured out my role wasn't particularly useful without co-operation. I would have to guess where people would end their turn in order to use it. By claiming, I could get people to come to me to get checked, like with oats. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
So, I'm looking at grush, wos, sutters, and gk. I still don't think GK is a good lynch. I've said it once and I've said it again, GK questioning the VA lynch doesn't make him scum, and although his role-pm reading shenanigans are INDEED shenanigans, the guy always has slow starts. Not a good D2 lynch. Okay, wow actually I take it back So, my plan was to write this meta case on how GK was actually town, right? But then I went and spent some time remembering and reading notes on how GK plays, and basically it can be summed up like this: On March 17 2013 11:27 Wade Fell wrote: DYH you say you agree that GK should probably be lynched today. Examining his play in NMMXXIV as town (link) I see a player who posts slowly and doesn't contribute much in the first half of D1, and only really starts writing cases (mostly unfocused and studded with FOSes at other players) as the game progresses. It's only in the later days that he picks up steam and starts hammering on players. In LVII as scum (link), GK comes out punching, immediately posting cases and voting/Fosing, and instead of pushing multiple reads, he changes who he focuses on as soon as his case fails to gain traction (instead of pressing on, trying to really get his target lynched). He also doesn't wait to formulate reads, he _immediately_ starts flopping mud at people. The GK in this game is the town GK that I've coached and observed extensively. He is cautious, posts rarely, and builds up momentum to be a formidable scumhunter. This is not the kinda uncaring, willing-to-make-any--case scum GK that I've seen. He is not a good D1 lynch. He is not a good vigi shot. He is town. Now, this was a case I wrote in The Game, where, yes, I was scum, but everything written here is true. Town GK is cautious at first, gathering information and momentum, then builds a case and follows it up. Scum GK throws his vote around aggressively and doesn't have followup, going onto whatever wagon happens to become popular. I was planning to open GK's filter and show how he's town, but he is not playing to his town meta, he is playing to his scum meta. Reading GK's filter, his play this game 100% is exactly as he plays as scum. He IMMEDIATELY comes out with a vote on stutters (link), then his next post (after chiding VA) swaps to Grush (link), then after defending himself from an early case he swaps to WoS (link) and he continues the madness all throughout the rest of D1, voteswapping and trying to stay on the popular wagon. This is literally scum GK. I'll eat my damn hat if it ain't. He's playing to his scum meta, he's also playing objectivity scummy and shitty (where's the followups to his push? what's with that list post? Why no careful analysis buildup?), and he was around when iamp claimed mason. ##vote GoodKarma | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
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