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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 22:01 GMT
#841
like, I would never expect you to go forward for writing "up"?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 22:02 GMT
#842
Ok, now I feel like a complete moron.

##Unvote
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 20 2013 22:06 GMT
#843
On May 21 2013 07:02 phagga wrote:
Ok, now I feel like a complete moron.

##Unvote


Happens to the best of us.

Speaking of which I forgot to add my vote.

Vote: deconduo
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 20 2013 22:09 GMT
#844
On May 21 2013 06:25 mkfuba07 wrote:
Dear god, hope you're alright, sentinel! :o

Phagga, why vote sentinel over oats?


I basically wanted to check for reactions.

I'm confused right now, need to sleep over this.

for now (and until I've fully read and understood Sentinels case):

##Vote: Oatsmaster
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 20 2013 22:31 GMT
#845
On May 21 2013 06:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Here is the analysis I wrote last night on who I thought was going to be the last remaining angel.

I have been aware of the third scum for some time now. In fact, he was hiding under my nose the third time. The third angel is Deconduo.

I became aware of this shortly before the fferyllt lynch. Look at page 3 of his filter. In order, he implicitly accuses ghost, feryl and oats without offering substantial evidence for any lynch. Actually he did accuse ghost beforehand, but only when he felt it was safe to do so - when I pointed out ghost's slip in accusing vivax and not myself. I thought it was distancing but it still appears to make sense with a towny ghost and a scummy dec. He can soft accuse feryl or oats and incite others to actually push for their lynch, without seeming like a catalyst for a mislynch (of feryl) in the event that either of them flip town. This is a very scummy action.

But this can be construed as an indecisive townie in some way, so we couldn't rule out the possibility that he was in fact, a detective. But then he makes his next mistake - offering absolute zero pro-town information. In fact, he fills the thread with complaints and questions that he could not reach and check Oatsmaster.

Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 08:08 deconduo wrote:
Also the sharrant kill doesn't look like it was an angel feeding. If it was, it should say he was sent back in time. Seeing as there was a neck snapped as well, I'd guess that was a 3rd party kill.


This is the only post of the time period that breaks this trend. Note the implications of the third party here - we are not only to hunt the 2 scums but find a third player who may be something like SK. He is distracting from our prime directive at this point. Luckily Zeph steps in as the vig. But this takes the cake:

Show nested quote +
I suppose his teammate is just bussing him rather than risking his head.


This (as well as the post it was contained in) confirmed my read on deconduo when I was looking at the reasons people were voting for ghost. Deconduo sheeped my case without any constructive remarks to silently align himself behind the mislynch. Using his soft accusations he can quickly sheep any player he previously accused, here being ghost.

And then, he plays dumb to further his standing as detective. By making all these questions, which the mod had already answered, dec keeps implying he is a detective and by extension so is Oats. So why would an actual detective want to waste another valuable night confirming someone he already knows? No, scum deconduo has been clouding up the process of finding scum with questions about a known mechanic in the game. And the hardest part of today has been watching Deconduo dig himself his own grave and say nothing about it until the time is right.


Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 10:11 deconduo wrote:
Also BH used his illumination skill and both of us are showing up as human in that as well.


And in the end, he still tries to paint himself green.

This is the plan. We lynch deconduo next night.


1: I made a case against ghost and voted for him before anyone else did on day 1. I continuously pushed against him, yet this counts as 'sheeping the case on him'? Yeah sure.

2. I was pretty null on ffer, and I repeatedly said she had zero impact on the game. Given that its majority lynch, I had no problem sheeping that lynch on day 2 when there was no chance of getting ghost lynched.

3. I never claimed me and oats were confirmed town, only that we confirmed human/puppet and as such it was safe to move towards us. Why the fuck would I need to check oats (and repeat that I think he's scum) otherwise. As I said, if I check a puppet they show up as non-town.

4. I got a red check on oats or phagga. I've been pretty sure oats was scum since that slip, and phagga has been a lot less supicious throughout the game. Hence why I'm voting for oats.

5. That leaves you or mkfuba, and thats also not much of a contest. You're clearly defending your scumbuddy oats by trying to throw suspicion on me. You die tommorrow.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 20 2013 22:33 GMT
#846
On May 21 2013 06:34 mkfuba07 wrote:
And deconduo, how do you feel about oats and sent after phagga's recent post about the "scumslip"?


Oats and sent are the last 2 scum.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 20 2013 23:07 GMT
#847
1. You said nothing about goats after your initial push. You only mention him once in passing and say nothing until I reintroduce his lynchwagon.

2. Zero impact does not constitute scum play. New players tend to lurk. Actually if you pushed ghost and found scum like an actual towny ghost would be lynched one night faster And maybe feryl would have done something instead of getting sheeped. He turned out to be town, but we would have been able to rectify that mislynch by today.

3. This falls under the category of "useless posts intended to confuse". We already learned from the mods several days ago that all of the pieces on the board are human or puppet humans. Note that in his infinite wisdom, Crossfire labeled angels as red on the key. Do you see any red pieces on the board?

(Well you might because you're scum, I don't know, do you guys have a secret doc)

Hence any post where you said either of you were human or puppet was scummy.

4. Or you know... you're setting up an Oats mislynch. Not evident in itself but it's a probable conclusion if one believes Dec is scum. Which I do.

5. It's lynch or lose today, my friend. The only way I die tomorrow is if you and your confederate kill me tonight. (I'm implying its a scumslip)
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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 20 2013 23:27 GMT
#848
On May 21 2013 08:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
3. This falls under the category of "useless posts intended to confuse". We already learned from the mods several days ago that all of the pieces on the board are human or puppet humans.


You know, I would love to see that modpost, Because this one specifically says the opposite:

On May 16 2013 02:07 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 02:02 phagga wrote:

Do the 12 letters represent 9 townies and 3 puppets or 9 townies and 3 weeping angels?

*shrugs*


Also there's this:

On May 15 2013 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:
A weeping angel will be recognizable when a flashlight is shone on it. You will simply know its an angel, you will not know the name of the player controlling it.


So as far as I can see, there's nothing saying that someone on the board right now can't be an angel.
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 20 2013 23:39 GMT
#849
On May 15 2013 23:37 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 22:34 phagga wrote:
On May 15 2013 22:22 GreYMisT wrote:
Shining a light on a Puppet will not reveal his identity as such


Ok, perhaps my question was poorly worded. When I shine my light on another player, will I see of what faction he is? Specifically when a town shines his light at a player from the weeping angels faction, will the town player
- recognize that the other player is from another faction?
- recognize that the other player is a weeping angel?


You can recognize a weeping angel, you cannot discern puppets from players.

Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


Yes


Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 22:49 deconduo wrote:
What would be shown on the board if an angel is illuminated during a player's movement, but is no longer illuminated when the movement is finshed?

Like in the Example Movement sheet, the angel is in torchlight on the player's 2nd step, but is no longer in light when the movement ends.


Nothing, that player would be told that something crossed their vision during the night.


This is the post he's referring to, I believe. Everyone visible on the board is a puppet or a townie. A flashlight, when shown on an actual angel (not the puppet of an angel) will reveal it as an Angel in that location, but will not say which letter the angel corresponds to.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 21 2013 00:01 GMT
#850
Again, I see nothing in that post that specifically prevents someone on the board right now from being an angel. All it says is that once someone is illuminated they will show up as human/puppet or angel. If we are expected to assume that everyone shown on the board was either human or puppet, then we would have been given a proper answer to this question:

On May 16 2013 02:07 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 02:02 phagga wrote:

Do the 12 letters represent 9 townies and 3 puppets or 9 townies and 3 weeping angels?

*shrugs*
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 21 2013 00:27 GMT
#851
A weeping angel will be recognizable when a flashlight is shone on it.

Implies that when a flashlight is not shone on it, an angel will not be recognizable.

Also, with angels visible this game would be broken as fuck. If you thought Oats' player piece was an angel I don't see why you would sacrifice yourself, an alleged blue, just so Oats can get lynched the next day.

Note that greymist answered the question whereas crossfire was the one that didn't. Maybe cross was mad because people weren't reading the thread and asked a question that the hosts already answered.

Here he is answering again:

On April 16 2013 03:21 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 01:37 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmmm, if scum knows all positions of everybody, what is there to stop a mass position claim. If the scum try to lie about their positions, they are screwed when movements don't add up (after a while). If they don't lie, then you can deduce who's scum by following who everybody was near at what point and eliminating based on KP?

It looks like a very interesting game, but it seems like it should be breakable by claims.


Read under angel powers, they have a number of fake people they control on the board


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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
May 21 2013 00:28 GMT
#852
Deconduo, what do you think of phagga's suggestion to check both him and oats at the same time?
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 21 2013 00:46 GMT
#853
On May 21 2013 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
A weeping angel will be recognizable when a flashlight is shone on it.

Implies that when a flashlight is not shone on it, an angel will not be recognizable.

Also, with angels visible this game would be broken as fuck. If you thought Oats' player piece was an angel I don't see why you would sacrifice yourself, an alleged blue, just so Oats can get lynched the next day.

Note that greymist answered the question whereas crossfire was the one that didn't. Maybe cross was mad because people weren't reading the thread and asked a question that the hosts already answered.


'A number' of puppets. Not '1 puppet per player'. This means you could have the following scenario. X is a player. Y is an angel disguised as a player. Z is a puppet controlled by a hidden angel W.

X, Y and Z all appear to be normal players. W only shows up on the board when illuminated. Y shows up as an angel when illuminated.

X - Y -
- Z - -
- - - W


This has been the assumption I've been working off of since crossfire's post. However to clarify it:

Is it possible for one of the labelled players on the board to be an angel?

Also yes I damn well was willing to trade 1 for 1 with oats, as that would leave only one scum remaining, I had already claimed, so I didn't expect to live long anyway.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
May 21 2013 00:51 GMT
#854
On May 21 2013 09:28 mkfuba07 wrote:
Deconduo, what do you think of phagga's suggestion to check both him and oats at the same time?


Seems like a pretty good idea as I get to check more people at the same time? I mean its theoretically possible he's the scum and oats is town, but I highly doubt that's the case. I did a quick read of phagga's filter after the check and he's a lot more townlike than oats. Coupled with the scumslip by oats, I'm not worried about my vote.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 21 2013 01:05 GMT
#855
##Vote: Deconduo
Im town, Phagga is town cause he doesnt fucking play like this as scum in the SLIGHTEST.

So therefore what does this mean? DECONDUO IS SCUM!

game too ez.
Fuck if there were 2 scum wagons at the start, I need to think about a lotta things.
No gg, No skill.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 21 2013 01:12 GMT
#856
Okay Dec. We'll put the movement thing aside until we get some reply from either host.

I have nothing productive to reveal at the moment. I will return when this changes.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 21 2013 01:24 GMT
#857
On May 21 2013 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Deconduo
Im town, Phagga is town cause he doesnt fucking play like this as scum in the SLIGHTEST.

So therefore what does this mean? DECONDUO IS SCUM!

game too ez.
Fuck if there were 2 scum wagons at the start, I need to think about a lotta things.


Oats you keep forgetting to vote in the voting thread
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
May 21 2013 01:30 GMT
#858
Its so hard
No gg, No skill.
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 21 2013 05:48 GMT
#859
Sentinel and Oats, if decon is scum and I am town, you guys are either suspecting each other for the last scum or mkfuba. Which is it and why?

mkfuba, what is your take on all of this?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
May 21 2013 05:56 GMT
#860
On May 21 2013 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Deconduo
Im town, Phagga is town cause he doesnt fucking play like this as scum in the SLIGHTEST.

How do I play as scum?
"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
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