On May 15 2013 09:54 Promethelax wrote: OO you begged to be left alive by promising future content if you weren't lynched. It wasn't totally direct, obviously, but that to me reads as scum trying to live, not town who is fed up.
No matter your alignment and assuming you aren't lying: I'm sorry my tone bothers you. We can talk about it post game. I don't mean to make anyone rage (besides scum). I'm not going to change who I am though.
I will attempt to read your posts in a Donald Duck voice in my head. That may help, I guess.
Everyone else: Please give thoughts on the people who Prom listed as those are pretty much the same interests as I have.
VE, can we talk about chaoser for a bit once night hits? I don't want to distract from lynching during crunch lynch time but I'm not sure what to make of him and based on his last post I assume you have enough of a history with him to help me out on this one.
succinct as always my friend. Do you plan on lynching WoS tomorrow no matter the OO flip or will his flip influence your reads?
VE: thanks, I look forward to it. I too have that problem with a lot of the newer players, having coached them/talked to them on skype frequently it makes it hard to be impartial. Doesn't help that OO looks exactly like my little cousin.
On May 15 2013 10:14 Promethelax wrote: Why not try to force people to consolidate onto Vayne? You seem pretty sure he is scum and are quick to let his lynch go. Whats going on?
Well, 2 things.
1) Vayne's rage reminds me eerily of Tunkeg/Mocsta/insert-butthurt-newb-townie-here. Before he was just kinda laughing my suspicion away, and now he's raging at you, his defender. 2) I came to realize that my read of OO might be biased. I just read his filter with your "consolidated case" in mind (thx btdubz) and frankly I'm not AS confident in my townread as I was before. I still think he's town, but it's been downgraded to "leaning town".
Because you seem almost certain of yours, I'm willing to consolidate on your target.
Tunkeg is the perfect example of this play. Fuck, why didn't I think of that.
I think Vayne can be read as town from his actions in this game by the way. Attacking his defender the way he has seems genuine, if he was scum he'd want someone he knows is town defending him and try to play me AND the whole time he'd be laughing 'cause while I'm calling him bad I also have a backwards read on him. He wouldn't be angry. He'd be superior. I think that is a very important point. Hence the bold.
What about that case (welcome) convinces you? What things did you see in OO that are scummy which are not in my case?
WoS: I was letting you finish getting those reads out. I rather liked your mini 'cases' the one on prp's focus on Hiro was the best in my opinion as it was something I hadn't noticed. Prp's interest in Hiro has felt genuine though as you say I'm now very interested in seeing more from him on other players.
I think saying the Oats lynch won't happen is very poor reading of thread sentiment. There are a lot of people in the willing to lynch oats group, it just so happens that I personally am opposed to it and you are listening to me more than you are to others. If you will be around until deadline I'd prefer you keep your vote on the player you think is most likely scum and try to get others to vote with you consolidation is not yet necessary.
Hiro, I appreciate your defense but I honestly don't care about it. if you think your accuser is town what do you gain by taking three paragraphs to tell me he is a lazy idiot?
Let it go and tell me about your scum reads. Why OO? Why a NL over OO?
On May 15 2013 09:09 Promethelax wrote: Kinda case thing on OO (fuck you VE, I hate writing cases):
1. Early defensiveness brought up by DP (not a thing I think is a huge tell but it is different from his usual town game) 2. Eagerly explains a reason for the nightkill which no one had thought of in thread previously (I think this is a strong tell, others clearly disagree with me, Chaoser in particular) 3. Martyring and promises for future contribution at the same time (Martyring is policy lynch. Martyrig while saying "if you leave me alive I'll be useful I promise" is a scum tell since he is begging to be left alive his martyring is false. False martyring comes from scum).
My only major problem with my lynch on him is actually the wagon which has formed behind me. Hiro's vote felt eh and Rayn's only felt a little better. BH is only there for policy. The discussion has all been around WoS/Oats and I was waiting for him to come back to the thread for me to really push him since pushing afk players is both boring and somewhat useless. We have four hours though, lets discuss him now.
On May 15 2013 10:14 Promethelax wrote: Why not try to force people to consolidate onto Vayne? You seem pretty sure he is scum and are quick to let his lynch go. Whats going on?
Well, 2 things.
1) Vayne's rage reminds me eerily of Tunkeg/Mocsta/insert-butthurt-newb-townie-here. Before he was just kinda laughing my suspicion away, and now he's raging at you, his defender. 2) I came to realize that my read of OO might be biased. I just read his filter with your "consolidated case" in mind (thx btdubz) and frankly I'm not AS confident in my townread as I was before. I still think he's town, but it's been downgraded to "leaning town".
Because you seem almost certain of yours, I'm willing to consolidate on your target.
Tunkeg is the perfect example of this play. Fuck, why didn't I think of that.
I think Vayne can be read as town from his actions in this game by the way. Attacking his defender the way he has seems genuine, if he was scum he'd want someone he knows is town defending him and try to play me AND the whole time he'd be laughing 'cause while I'm calling him bad I also have a backwards read on him. He wouldn't be angry. He'd be superior. I think that is a very important point. Hence the bold.
What about that case (welcome) convinces you? What things did you see in OO that are scummy which are not in my case?
On May 16 2013 23:50 Promethelax wrote: Up to the bottom of 58, computer dying and switching to tablet. Sorry for wall o text. Please read. Reevaluating all reads and Catching up:
I really hate how Hiro plays, I'm not sure if that is alignment indicative though and Hiro isn't bad when town. A d1 no-lynch punches me in the soul though.
UPDATE (OO reminded me) vayne's Newbie game is now over. The reason I feel he is town on his posting here is that his scum hunting techniques (bad though they are) remain consistent from that game to this one. His thought process here reflects his newbie game in which he was TOWN since I don't believe he is a strong enough player to replicate his town thought process as sccum that means he is probably TOWN here too. VE, look at this and provide your thoughts please and thanks.
OO's many posts after my last one look a lot better than what came before. The effort he is putting in look like a townie OO and depending on how he follows them up as I continue reading I'd say I lean town on him now. If OO proves town I'm concerned about a scum VE as Viscera should be way better than me at reading OO and had him as a town read but recinded that to follow me and vote him. I would call these two opposite alignments I think with a small possibility of both town but zero possibility OO scum/VE town.
Vivax looks good in these posts (still page 55) don't think he would call a no-lynch a fail vote as scum. He'd probably fuck off and laugh. Also his comment about the Katina picture makes me laugh (dude, can't you tell that is a girl and not me? I'm way more manly than that) and making me laugh is a plus one in my book.
Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunately its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise. Still think Rayn is town though, he looks good and what he has done in the time he has been in the thread has ben good so I don't really care about how active he is, he is one of the few new guys I expecct to be active as both alignments so his lowered activity just doesn't bother me.
OO points out the VE problem with town read into vote. I like this, he is thinking critically, I just wish it was about more than people going after him. Follows it up with suspicion on SnB. Never mind, OO is probably town. He doesn't have it in him to do this as scum. SO much reread and rethink going on here. I don't think I agree with SnB scum but I'll have to reread after catching up.
Rayn has good thoughts on SnB, pushes him (the slot machine) further into town category. He is approaching things the right way. I have to go reread Oats depending on NK numbers, not as sure about him=town based town tell as I was and if NKs don't match up he is a real possibility for scum.
I'm pretty sure Kush is town. Which is too bad. Ah well, if he pushes scum lynches for a while we vig/shoot him since that means he is scum but for now I'll take him as town based on his first post on pg 56. Too lazy to go into it. If you want the meta read ask.
Have no idea what Oats is saying here, still an idiot (<3) but yeah...reread this motherfucker. Need to look into this vote stealer thing, may also be a scum power where he gives up his vote in return for something else? No hidden vote appeared on anyone and so 'stolen' doesn't work. OATS: what was the phrasing of the PM? was your vote stolen? Or removed or what?
lol Shiro, this kid should still be in newbies. Mafia is a game of "words against words". Rayn, I'd love some insight on this kid. You've played with him, gimme a rundown of how he thinks.
Sloosh is a player I haven't even noticed yet. Not a good sign from a player whom I respect. Added to reread list. I like his posts on 56 though so this might be his new inactive town meta. I'll look again. I do like his post about Rayn/OO, a lot. Kid can think. Town side of null on first read.
OO brings up Vayne's play conflicting with his 'logical townie' playstyle. My impression is that Vayne thinks of himself as logical and not emotional not that he is actually logical instead of emotional. We only get this 'logical' idea from Vayne himself. And based on his hissy fit he clearly thinks of himself as better than he is.
OO again with the good thoughts on SLoosh (pg 57), I don't like to be wrong d1 but I think I was. Also "farting into the wind" is hilarious. As he says, Sloosh's play is big words, which is usually town sloosh, but that does need to be backed up.
Vayne is so mad. Can someone give him a handie or something to shut him up and get him to pay attention. k thx. (still town though).
I want to see this SnB/OO tiff play out. SnB, what do you think about the oats vote steal and what did occur if he is scum. I doubt a townie would use votesteal d1 since d1 wagons are a big part of how one analyses the game and taking away a vote from scum is awful.
Both OO and SnB want more from Shiro, don't we all.
SnB bringing up Chaoser is +1 in my book, where the hell is that guy? VE never followed up on me asking about him (though neither did I). VE, BH, prp and SnB (and maaaaybe hiro?)you guys have been around long enough to know Chaoser, I'd love some insight.
WTF Vayne with the VE is scum, VE/Prom will get shot tonight. Sure thing, buddy sure thing.
bh, why you pop up to talk about how cool you are and not say anything useful? WoS still confirmed scum? Y/N.
Vivax picks up on the Vayne idiocy from above. Good man. I think Vivax is town (and I hope to hell I'm right since if I am this will be my first ever right read on Vivax, go me!).
Pg 58 Oh, so VE is suspicious if he lives through the night, eh Vayne? What about me? Why am I not? Or am I misreading your post?
Vivax calls him/bh as nk. Note taken. Viv on WoS like butter on bread. He thinks WoS is only scum under pressure though, so OO/Oats are town? Gotta check if this matches his earlier reads.
Rayn attacking Vivax while probably wrong is good sign, if Viv is town he can be quite the fighter and insighting him as scum = terrible idea.
VE with the appology post. Gotta relook at chrono for my meta case on him. Doesn't look all that similar though night =/= day.
Hiro with the shit talk but no contribution on BH. That isn't how I think of Hiro's town game. Didn't he say in ACME obs that I was as bad as kush since I hadn't cought scum. Catching scum is everything to him and he doesn't seem fussed about it. Likely scum. Needs a reread.
I don't fit into either catagory of WoS detractors or WoS knob gobblers. I am champion! WoS, you gotta talk to me about why you have such a you boner and what you actually think about this shit? Why say bh will get NK'd? didn't you say scum love to tunnel/push you? Don't like this from WoS at all
Okay, formatted better and I corrected the typos I found. Back to my reread now. Remind me to murder the guy who programmed such a terrible copy/paste function into notepad.
Not a fan of Oats allowing Rayn's claim to less time IN GAME effect his read. That is a really stupid thing to do. Unfortunately its a stupid thing I think Oats would do as either town or scum. Oats: if it is said in game it is a lie until proven otherwise.
Where?
Also, my vote was stolen, and there was an anonymous vote on Hiro if im not mistaken. So yeah im totally confirmed town now.
Will find it for you. And no there was a vote miscounted on hiro. I really don't like you calling yourself confirmed town over this. Fuck I wish you still sucked butts at scum so I could meta read you.
On May 16 2013 12:22 slOosh wrote: Also, if you choose to use [REDACTED], whatever that means, please support it with something else within the thread.
Redacted is a ongoing game in which Kush has died and flipped town and WoS is still alive in.
Oooh oats says that the PM said stolen. Doesn't jive with in-game actions as no stolen vote has appeared.
Oh lol, of course Rayn and Viv get hit.I wanted to talk to them about things. Bastards. 3 NK though. I will look back at Vivax re: shooting. If he did shoot oats is townier if he didn't I'm confused, unless chooser was hit n1? He claimed RB and Kita was JK. Or regular medic saves/vets.
Oats too sure that Vivax shot vayne. Oats: why are you sure that 1: Vivax shot and 2: he shot vayne?
I guess everyone assumed this though. WoS/bh please answer the above too.
Oooh, WoS with dat me/bh exclusion train. Why not put VE on that list? If its good vets he should be there too.
WoS, I'm with bh, well not really, but I do not understand your stance on this shit at all. Why him and me? Besides being vets I don't see the connection (I finally don't feel weird calling myself a vet, in and of Itself that is weird) like yeah, I had initial suspicions on you and bh tunnelled you. Those are both things that happened in the thread that involved you, is that the connection?
BH, why OO over WoS, wasn't WoS 10/10 super confirmed scum?
It's time for a new wagon, wake up town there is a vet looking at the noose: ##vote: VE Go read my mega post for why, but TL:DR his play regarding OO is all kinds of not VE, if he had a strong town read on one of his favourite players he'd fight against that lynch not limp dick his way onto the wagon citing me as the reason for his vote.
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