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Vivax
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On May 13 2013 04:40 ObviousOne wrote: We have a miller claim. He is either: Miller and will show up red Mafia and will show up red Or Godfather or gaming with a framer role as mafia to bait a check So potential cop(s) has one less person to check and a potential parity cop(s) knows to steer clear. Ergo, as I said, analysis will be your salvation. So. Are you just saying nothing here while trying to say something. What, exactly does this add to the discussion? How does listing all the potential 'scenarios' with my claim and then saying they are all irrelevant contribute to the analysis which will 'save' us? And I don't even know what you are saying with the last bit? I would claim miller as godfather when i would come back green? Ridiculous. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote: I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia. I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch. Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that. They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town. So you're against us wasting a check and then possible lynch on you but you're ok with us using a vigi on you? is that what you're saying? Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that. that's a wine in front of me thing isn't it (i forgot that acronym...) | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:03 DarthPunk wrote: So. Are you just saying nothing here while trying to say something. What, exactly does this add to the discussion? How does listing all the potential 'scenarios' with my claim and then saying they are all irrelevant contribute to the analysis which will 'save' us? And I don't even know what you are saying with the last bit? I would claim miller as godfather when i would come back green? Ridiculous. Haha yeah I realized that after I posted it, that last part, the intent is there but the wording is all fucked up. Godfather w/ framer role in the party was what I meant. As for the rest, well, there are some really thick skulls so sometimes you have to tell people things they should already be able to think through because you can't trust them to be thinking at all. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:03 chaoser wrote: So you're against us wasting a check and then possible lynch on you but you're ok with us using a vigi on you? is that what you're saying? that's a wine in front of me thing isn't it (i forgot that acronym...) Nah what he said makes sense. He was pretty good as mafia in the newbie game I was in with him long ago, and I'm sure he's improved upon it from listening to the mafia podcast he was on. | ||
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Vivax
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:08 ObviousOne wrote: Nah what he said makes sense. He was pretty good as mafia in the newbie game I was in with him long ago, and I'm sure he's improved upon it from listening to the mafia podcast he was on. his reasoning for "not wanting to waste a check" but "ok with wasting a vigi" is confusing to me, I'd still like for him to clarify that for me. Not to mention I'd rather he answer the questions I ask him, not someone else answering | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:09 Vivax wrote: That sounds like some sick scum powerplay OO. Claim miller as godfather so that your framer has to use his action on you during the night. I'm impressed Dude, I'm all about aimless meanderings of the confused and drug addled mind that I just spout into the thread. I can't post sick .gifs from my iPod very easily so I go with what I know. Pure madness. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:03 chaoser wrote: So you're against us wasting a check and then possible lynch on you but you're ok with us using a vigi on you? is that what you're saying? that's a wine in front of me thing isn't it (i forgot that acronym...) Getting vigged is a worse case scenario and is better than a mislynch from a blown cop check. Obviously. It is WIFOM but it is also correct. How likely do you think it would be that on the first day I, as scum, would paint a giant target on my head for literally no reason in order to hopefully get a fake claim through? I don't need to do that. I am good at playing scum. It would be terrible scum play. On May 13 2013 05:02 Vivax wrote: Any conclusions from the reactions to your miller claim brah? I think people trying to read anything scummy into it are either scummy or bad TBH. I would actually agree with obvious on it if he didn't use so much fluff in his post. It should be null at worst. Don't waste a check and judge me on my contributions. | ||
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shirokami
Finland107 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:12 DarthPunk wrote: Getting vigged is a worse case scenario and is better than a mislynch from a blown cop check. Obviously. It is WIFOM but it is also correct. How likely do you think it would be that on the first day I, as scum, would paint a giant target on my head for literally no reason in order to hopefully get a fake claim through? I don't need to do that. I am good at playing scum. It would be terrible scum play. I think people trying to read anything scummy into it are either scummy or bad TBH. I would actually agree with obvious on it if he didn't use so much fluff in his post. It should be null at worst. Don't waste a check and judge me on my contributions. I'm legitimately sorry that you don't like how I write. I have my past games in my profile if you would like to sample how I write as town (it's actually quite drastically different from my scum play which sucks for next time I roll scum). Please feel free to check specifically into LXI (for your own knowledge, ongoing game) and RED Team's Prize for more recent examples of how my town play goes. How did Keirathi put it? "It's just OO being OO." (paraphrased from memory). | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:14 shirokami wrote: actually I have won as scum with stupid early fakeclaim. but well who knows, im just a noob Was that in a newbie? Shit like that only works in newbies generally and as scum it is never worth it to try and pull something so risky so early. Especially when the risk (huge target early N0) is not commensurate with the payoff (don't die to a cop check which i am never afraid of anyway as scum) Literally the logic behind claiming a miller as town is more solid than claiming as scum As town you don't care about being a big target because it promotes discussion and is pro town. As town you don't want to be wasting checks but more importantly you don't want to be mislynched. As scum the better play is to not get checked, because the absolute LAST thing you want is to be a target early. I could easily have played as to not get checked as miller, but it was clearly better for town as a whole to claim for the aforementioned reasons. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:18 ObviousOne wrote: I'm legitimately sorry that you don't like how I write. I have my past games in my profile if you would like to sample how I write as town (it's actually quite drastically different from my scum play which sucks for next time I roll scum). Please feel free to check specifically into LXI (for your own knowledge, ongoing game) and RED Team's Prize for more recent examples of how my town play goes. How did Keirathi put it? "It's just OO being OO." (paraphrased from memory). My not liking the fluff in your post is literally the least important thing in that post. I don't get why you are being so defensive either. | ||
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shirokami
Finland107 Posts
nah it was some other forum game. | ||
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Vivax
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
On May 13 2013 05:26 shirokami wrote: @DP nah it was some other forum game. Well stupid early fakeclims are still stupid and unnecessary. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On May 13 2013 04:14 prplhz wrote: @HiroPro Self-aware millers should generally always claim as first thing d1 (n0) so we don't have Cops checking into people we know will show scum and so we don't allow scum the excuse of "Oh, but I'm a miller" if we get a guilty check on them. @ObviousOne Are you serious? It is optimal to claim self aware miller in a set up with known rolls or something like C9++ where it is known how roles are determined. In a closed set-up self aware millers can or cannot claim but a miller claim is a point against someone not for them. I would argue with DP though on the possibility of him claiming miller as scum. Miller is an easy role to claim as scum specifically in a closed set-up and while DP is a good scum player I still find it quite possible he would fake claim the miller role, there is at least one example of scum fake claiming it on this forum (marv in Normal IV) and that was a good mafia player whose fake claim helped his team quite a bit. For the moment DP is an excellent day one policy lynch based on the claim alone in a vacuum I'd say he is more likely scum than town but we have time to figure it out so I'm not too fussed. If anyone claims miller at any point after n0 we should auto-lynch them, if scum wants to fake claim it they had better do it today (or have already done it today). | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 13 2013 04:30 kitaman27 wrote: Naw, self-aware millers claim and then we kill them to confirm they aren't lying! I'm thinking there is at least one third party based on the wording of things. With instant majority lynches, I think the best way to run things is only allow a hammer within the last four hours of the cycle. Town benefits from an extended day as long as we have enough people around at the end of the cycle to achieve a majority. There is nothing more annoying than to see a bunch of random bandwagon votes without the opportunity to comment about it. Also, WoS scum. lolololol I'm never scum bro. Not this time, not ever. | ||
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