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shirokami
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland107 Posts
May 12 2013 19:14 GMT
#161
I claim a cock
No clue.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 12 2013 19:18 GMT
#162
On May 13 2013 04:14 prplhz wrote:
@HiroPro Self-aware millers should generally always claim as first thing d1 (n0) so we don't have Cops checking into people we know will show scum and so we don't allow scum the excuse of "Oh, but I'm a miller" if we get a guilty check on them.

@ObviousOne Are you serious?


No this is just wrong. It only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 12 2013 19:20 GMT
#163
I am performing a demonstration for exactly why what DP has done should be null and he gets the same treatment everyone else does; disregard mechanics, analyze for mafia.

But I did not actually offer you any bacon. Sorry. All mine.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
May 12 2013 19:26 GMT
#164
this has nothing to do with mechanics. and incidentally disregarding mechanics in a themed setup is just dumb. if you actually know what you're doing, you can find mafia. tons of themed games have caught mafia using mechanics.

if I had shown to you that his role wasn't possible then it would be mechanics. but this is simply behavior. there is no reason to claim as town.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 12 2013 19:30 GMT
#165
On May 13 2013 04:18 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:14 prplhz wrote:
@HiroPro Self-aware millers should generally always claim as first thing d1 (n0) so we don't have Cops checking into people we know will show scum and so we don't allow scum the excuse of "Oh, but I'm a miller" if we get a guilty check on them.

@ObviousOne Are you serious?


No this is just wrong. It only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning.


Naw, self-aware millers claim and then we kill them to confirm they aren't lying!

I'm thinking there is at least one third party based on the wording of things.

With instant majority lynches, I think the best way to run things is only allow a hammer within the last four hours of the cycle. Town benefits from an extended day as long as we have enough people around at the end of the cycle to achieve a majority. There is nothing more annoying than to see a bunch of random bandwagon votes without the opportunity to comment about it.

Also, WoS scum.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 12 2013 19:31 GMT
#166
Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 12 2013 19:32 GMT
#167
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 12 2013 19:35 GMT
#168
On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia.

So you're saying mafia then.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 12 2013 19:36 GMT
#169
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 12 2013 19:37 GMT
#170
EBWOP: self-aware

And at this point yes, best lynch.
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
May 12 2013 19:40 GMT
#171
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up?
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 12 2013 19:40 GMT
#172
We have a miller claim. He is either:

Miller and will show up red
Mafia and will show up red
Or
Godfather or gaming with a framer role as mafia to bait a check

So potential cop(s) has one less person to check and a potential parity cop(s) knows to steer clear.

Ergo, as I said, analysis will be your salvation.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
shirokami
Profile Joined April 2013
Finland107 Posts
May 12 2013 19:43 GMT
#173
If I would be a miller, I would get a scum lynched and claim after that. I dont really see a reason behind N0-miller claim.
No clue.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 12 2013 19:46 GMT
#174
See like where did he go after the claim? "hey guys I'm gonna show up as mafia if checked just FYI now AFK while I fuck off directly"
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
May 12 2013 19:47 GMT
#175
On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up?

And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question.
table for two on a tv tray
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 12 2013 19:53 GMT
#176
I need to talk to VE. He will be helping me push all the mafia off the ship.

##summon VisceraEyes
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
May 12 2013 19:55 GMT
#177
On May 13 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2013 04:40 Vivax wrote:
And you think the Wall-street investor thing is made up?

And you think Wall-street investor has to be a town role? I don't even know where are you going with your question.


You're calling him mafia, I wanted to see if you thought through every parameter, and him using a fake name for miller is one of them.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
May 12 2013 20:00 GMT
#178
I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia.

I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch.

Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.

They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
May 12 2013 20:01 GMT
#179
On May 13 2013 03:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok. Cool.

I am a Wall street Investor. Which is a self aware miller.


darth, can you give me the reasoning behind you claiming this?

also, what does WoS acronym mean?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
May 12 2013 20:01 GMT
#180
nvm
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
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